AranMP game (renamed)

[Wendigo]

Greetings all,
I am hearing the MP siren calls, so it's time to launch a new game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I am thinking of a medium game with around 6 or so players that could be doable in 1-2 months depending on the speed settings.

If any of the players joining can offer hosting services by TCP/IP we will go with that, otherwise I will host myself by PBEM.


Stuff to agree on, pls reply in the thread with your preferences on each topic:

1) Type of game:
a- Solo: no team victory allowed, your ally today will be your enemy tomorrow
b- 2 player alliance victory allowed
c- Team game, 3 teams of 2 players or 2 teams of 3

I will go with any of the above.

2) Map?

Aran looks the best for this size of game, but open to sugestions.

3) Turn generation

If we can get a host I vote for blitzing the 10 initial turns (asuming that our relative time zones allow it), and then move to a 3 or 5 turns/week schedule, otherwise 5 turns/week for the 10 initial turns and then move on to 3 turns/week.

4) Richness

I'd like a rich game this time, but no biggie.

5) Magic sites
a 40%
b 50%
c 60%

I'd like rich magic also this time, but not big on it either.

6) Random events

I'd say common, because of the current imbalance of the related scale.

7) Strength of indeps

I'd say 5-6

8) Nation assigning.

New players get first choice, just answer stating your preference on a first come-first served basis. Old vets should instead give a 3 nations list in order of preference & we will asign from there.
I have experience with Ermor, Van, R'lyeh & Jotun, I will go with any of those that be left after asigning nations to all other players.

9) Research
Normal or fast?

10) Victory settings
% map control?


Anything else I forgot, just point at it.

Any player joining should be reachable via board mail or e-mail.

I will be travelling Monday->Wednesday next week, so regarding starting time I am restricted to either starting this weekend & halting until Wednesday, or starting any time next week from Wednesday onwards.

Don't forget to password protect your pretenders!

Cheers,
Pepe

[ December 30, 2003, 04:31: Message edited by: Wendigo ]

[Nerfix]

I think i'll join.

1) b) It always ends when The Cold War begins...
2) I'm ok with Aran
3) ok
4) I'm fine with rich setting
5) b)
6) ok
7) I would like indy str of 5
8) I wold like to play either R'lyeh or Ermor
9) Normal
10) 70% map control

[Texas Longhorn]

A chance to lose to humans rather than the AI!

1) any option is fine
2) I like Aran
3) OK, I'm US Central (GMT -6)
4) no opinion
5) 50% seems like a winner
6) common
7) not <4, >7
8) I'll play anything (being an almost complete novice), but would prefer, in order Ctis, Arco, Van, Jotun
9) How much faster is fast, anyway?
10) 66%-70% should make the eventual winner obvious, right?

Go UT! Beat the Aggies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Sammual]

1) A
2) I like Eye
3) Blitz - M - F
4) Normal or Rich.
5) C 60%
6) Random events Rare
7) Strength of indeps 6+
8) Nation I want the Ice Angels.
9) Research Normal
10) Victory settings 60% Control is good.

Sammual

[Argitoth]

every blitz game i've done has neever continued because no one was ever on at the same time.

[ywl]

I'm interested.

1) I prefer A since the diplomacy will be simpler - just kill everybody else. But if we had a mix of new players and vets, it might cause a small problem.

2) It doesn't matter to me.

3) I prefer the 5 turns/week option. Due to time constraint in real life, I don't want make it too much a burden.

4) Either way is fine. I'll design my nation accordingly.

5) 40% or 50%.

6) Common is good.

7) Either 5 or 6 is reasonable.

8) Ulm, Tien Chi, Man.

9) Normal.

10) % Map control is good.

[Saber Cherry]

1) Type of game: a or b
2) Aran is fine
3) As fast as possible is fine, up to 1/day. 10-turn initial blitz sounds good.
4) I prefer normal richness.
5) I prefer <40% magic sites, but whatever=)
6) Rare events
7) 5-6 is fine
8) Ermor, Atlantis, Pangaea.
9) Normal research
10) 60% map control sounds good.

[Wendigo]

Game closed!

Here we go:

1) There can be only one.
2) Aran
3) Depends on hosting options, more about this to follow
4) Rich game
5) 50%
6) common events
7) indeps st6
8)
-Saber Ermor
-Ywl Ulm
-Sammual Caelum
-T Longhorn C'tis
-Patrik Abysia
-Nerfix R'lyeh

That leaves Van/Jotun for me, will go with Van as I have played a lot of Jotun lately

Start working on those designs.

9) Normal research
10) Control of 74/107 provinces results in victory

[Patrik]

I'd like to play!

1. preferably a), OK with any

2. Aran is OK

3. OK

4. Rich is fine!!

5. 50%

6. common

7. 6-7

8. Abysia, C'tis, Mictlan

9. If rich setting - Normal, otherwise Fast

10. I like VPs better, but no big deal. Also depends on what we decide for no.1

Patrik

[Wendigo]

S Cherry, Ywl, Sammual & T Longhorn, I will need a working e-mail address to go on.

Pls board mail me with it or e-mail me to gualteiro2 at navegalia.com.

If any of you can provide a server now it's the time to say it, create the game on the previous terms & either post here or mail me with the IP & port.

T Longhorn is at GMT-5. I am at GMT +1 and I guess Patrik & Nerfix are at similar timezones.

If we have players in Asia the only time that might work for a blitz start this Sunday would be around afternoon GMT time (which translates into USA morning & Asia night time). But this might not work with players in further diverging time zones as USA West coast or Australia. Anyway, pls confirm all if Sunday GMT 2:00PM would work for you people.

Cheers,
Pepe

[ November 29, 2003, 06:20: Message edited by: Wendigo ]

[Nerfix]

I'm GMT +2 and Sunday GMT 2:00 PM is fine.

[ywl]

Originally posted by Wendigo:
S Cherry, Ywl, Sammual & T Longhorn, I will need a working e-mail address to go on.

Pls board mail me with it or e-mail me to gualteiro2 at navegalia.com.

If any of you can provide a server now it's the time to say it, create the game on the previous terms & either post here or mail me with the IP & port.

T Longhorn is at GMT-5. I am at GMT +1 and I guess Patrik & Nerfix are at similar timezones.

If we have players in Asia the only time that might work for a blitz start this Sunday would be around afternoon GMT time (which translates into USA morning & Asia night time). But this might not work with players in further diverging time zones as USA West coast or Australia. Anyway, pls confirm all if Sunday GMT 2:00PM would work for you people.

Cheers,
Pepe <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm on US Eastern. With those confusing standard and daylight saving time switching, it's probably GMT-4 now.

Wan

[Saber Cherry]

I'm GMT -6... hmmm... I guess that narrows down my physical location to about 1/24 of the world, making me that much easier to find... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Nerfix]

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:
I'm GMT -6... hmmm... I guess that narrows down my physical location to about 1/24 of the world, making me that much easier to find... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You're from Venezuela, rigth? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

(unless you indeed are from Venezuela...)

[Saber Cherry]

Ehehehe... no! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[LordArioch]

I'd be up for joining if you haven't quite started yet. I have basically no preferences...the previous suggestions sound fine, and I'll take pretty much any race that's left.
As for time zone I'm US central time, so GMT -5 I'd suppose.

If you'll accept me my email is cvernooy@mail.utexas.edu, and if not... This is a pretty late response so I don't mind if you don't want me in or have already started.

[Patrik]

I'm at GMT +1. Sunday at 2.00 PM GMT is fine with me. So was 8 am OK for you Saber Cherry? (Well could there be a better reason to get up a Sunday morning than to play some DomII? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Patrik

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by Patrik:
I'm at GMT +1. Sunday at 2.00 PM GMT is fine with me. So was 8 am OK for you Saber Cherry? (Well could there be a better reason to get up a Sunday morning than to play some DomII? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Patrik <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Um... I'd vastly prefer Sunday at 3pm GMT, but if everyone else wants 2pm, I'll try to manage...=)

[Wendigo]

Ok, I am back.

Cherry, Nerfix & Sammual, I need your pretender files, & will fire the game as soon as I get them.

Arioch: Sorry, I guess that game closed means just that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Being PBEM I want to keep the number of players manageable...next time!

Seeing as we seem to be all in either Euro or America time zones we likely will be able to get some turns in a row either this Saturday/Sunday if I do not screw up juggling all those files...more about this as soon as I settle.

[Wendigo]

Still waiting for Sammual's.

I'd like to start this today.

[Wendigo]

Still waiting for Sammual.

I am starting the game this evening, with or without him.

[Sammual]

Sorry all, I was getting married on the 4th and have been a bit Busy. *grin*

I send my file in today.

Sammual

[Wendigo]

Boggle....already started, 1st turn files are sent.

[ywl]

Originally posted by Wendigo:
Boggle....already started, 1st turn files are sent. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I've finished mine... Should we expect a second 1st turn with Sammuel? Either one is fine. It's very easy to do it.

Also, how should the in-game diplomacy proceed? With emails? With game Messages only? Or none at all?

Wan

[Wendigo]

I am not going to restart unless all other players unanimously & expressely say so, and this seems unlikely as I have already started receiving the .2h files.

[Wendigo]

Regarding diplomacy I have no big preferences, usually in-game messaging is better for RP (and adds a kind of realistic delay in the comunications), on the other side e-mail obviously makes for a more fluent comunication tho I usually get lazy with it and RP less.

Whatever suits you people better, not going to imposse any strict rules on this as they cannot be enforced anyway.

[Wendigo]

Turn 2!
Let's see if we can get a few turns this weekend & move past the early game.

[Wendigo]

Turn 6 update:
Got 4 out of 6 .2h files already, hosting as soon as I get R'lyeh's & Ulm's.

On the whole I am pretty satisfied with the speed we are moving at, 1 turn/day is pretty good for PBEM. No particular player seems to be stalling behind, which is also good considering that this type of game requires a long term comitment.

Once we advance further in the game & turns require more time investment we will likely slow down a bit, but let's try to mantain the regularity. If any of you is leaving for some days or has some temporary issue that limits his time (exams,...), just drop me a note or post here so that we are in the known.

I have no trips abroad until mid January, so I believe I can keep the hosting regular for now. You should expect hosting to happen around 7:00 PM my time (GMT+1), which is basically the time I get back home during the week. At weekends I will just host as soon as all files be in.

One possible exception: days 22->29 of the current I am likely to spend at the other side of the country & away from my desktop's. I have installed the game at my laptop & am trying to make it run, got some trouble tho as I am not a tech guy and this thing has no video card to speak of, just the motherBoards' (8 MB, SiS 630/730 or somesuch), so if any of you can offer some pointers to help with this maybe I can make it run & keep the game rolling during Xmas. I am browsing the related threads in the forums for tips for now.

Cheers,
Pepe

[Wendigo]

Turn 13 & moving at an excellent pace, great!

The -x modifier seems to make Dom II run in my laptop and, even if ugly, I can actually watch the replays...so game can go on as far as I am concerned during my trip away.

I will most likely leave on Monday 22 & return on Monday 29, so you should expect some irregular hosting those 2 days. I will do my best to not delay the game anyway.

Once again, if anyone is travelling & going to be unable to play for a number of days just say so.

Cheers,
Pepe

[ywl]

Saber Cherry,

Sorry for the stab http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

ywl / Ulm

[Saber Cherry]

Ywl,

You are so dead http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . I mean, I'm dead, but you're dead without even a chance of undeath. Except serving in my armies. Bwahaha!!!

-Cherry

[ywl]

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:
Ywl,

You are so dead http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . I mean, I'm dead, but you're dead without even a chance of undeath. Except serving in my armies. Bwahaha!!!

-Cherry <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sure http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif . I had a reputation of early exit in my previous games http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif .

[ywl]

Sigh...

Even though I've played for a while. And even though I know that it's just a game, nothing really matters.

But everytime, I always feel so nervous and restless whenever I open my turn file.

Wan

[ywl]

Turn 19.

Wendigo, I sent my file but your ISP rejected my mail. I sent it again at about 5:00 EST (GMT -5?).

Wan

[Wendigo]

Got it.

Turn 20!

[Patrik]

I'll be away without access to a computer until the 29th http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Sorry guys!

[Wendigo]

Damn, going to be a boring weekend.

Missing Abysia & C'tis .2h files to generate t22.

[Texas Longhorn]

Originally posted by Wendigo:
Damn, going to be a boring weekend.

Missing Abysia & C'tis .2h files to generate t22. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sorry about that. I've been bouncing my turn file (permanent fatal error) for a while now. I'll try again...

All Hail Fluffy, Giver of Food!

[Wendigo]

Stupid master thief...

We are back on track, check your mail for t22!

[Gandalf Parker]

Just a thought..........
When this thread jumps to the top it causes people to get excited. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Would there be a problem with anyone if the thread changed from New game, an invitation to all to the name of the game? Whatever that is

[ December 29, 2003, 22:04: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

[Patrik]

Wendigo

I've sent you the file twice already! Didn't get any 'delivery failure' message. Will try again - hope it works this time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif (if it does, please confirm!)

/Patrik

[Wendigo]

Got it just now.

Ywl had some trouble with spam protection bouncing back some of his files, but what you just reported is something that never happened me before.

Only ways I think that can happen is if the 'user' is wrongly spelt with a correct domain, or if the Messages have been downloaded in another computer & deleted from the server (but this second is ruled out as it's not a shared address).

Hosting in a second.

[Wendigo]

Editted title.

We are waiting for Abysia, mailed Patrik on the 30th so that he knows but got no answer yet.

Being the current dates what they are I have no problem with being flexible regarding hosting, but as a remainder to all: If anyone is going to be away for a while it's a good idea to inform the group (or me so that I can relay the information), so that we do not have 5 other people waiting clueless.

[Wendigo]

T23: Wan, you are Last.

Not sure if you got your turn file yesterday as I sent it to your alternate address thks to the wonders of the reply feature, I just resent it a couple mins ago to the primary one just in case.

Patrik, will send you an alternate address if that trouble continues, or maybe Gandalf would be kind enough to host us if not much trouble for him? *nudge*

[ywl]

Got it. It's just because of the holiday. I'll work on it and you should be able to host it tonight (your time)>

[Wendigo]

I will be travelling this weekend, leaving on Friday morning and returning some time Sunday.

Waiting for R'lyeh to host current turn (27?).

Cheers,
Pepe

[Wendigo]

I'm back, sorry for the absence.

Turn 29 in your mailboxes!

[ywl]

I'll be travelling from Jan 16th to Jan 25th. I'll be probably very busy and have limited access to network and computer.

So, could everybody hold the game for me, please?

Or if necessary, I can give up the game and have another player take over...

Wan

[Wendigo]

Ouch, that's a lot of time.

Could you afford a turn every 2-3 days? If so I would hold hosting waiting for it NP.

Otherwise I would rather have you look for substitute, as I do not want our players to lose interest in the game and that's what happens when they start to forget what they were doing & what were the plans.

Cheers,
Pepe

[ywl]

Originally posted by Wendigo:
Ouch, that's a lot of time.

Could you afford a turn every 2-3 days? If so I would hold hosting waiting for it NP.

Otherwise I would rather have you look for substitute, as I do not want our players to lose interest in the game and that's what happens when they start to forget what they were doing & what were the plans.

Cheers,
Pepe <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I can't.

Let's get somebody take over me. A few turns of substitute will be very unfair to the replacement player.

[Wendigo]

Originally posted by ywl:
Let's get somebody take over me. A few turns of substitute will be very unfair to the replacement player. [/QB]<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Why unfair? I have temporarily substituted, and been substituted myself NP. The key here is getting a sub that actually likes playing the nation in question. Contacting old opponents from previous games is a good way to do this.

Then you take the sub with the good & the bad, what he does is well done, regardless of whether it succeeds or you would have done something else...heck, sometimes the sub can even make a better show than the original player, or teach some tricks (has definitely happened to me), and comentting strategy/tactics is fun.

Whatever you decide we'll do, just don't be taken back from a temporary replacement, you can even keep your sub posted afterwards on the progress of the game, and have him still partake on your playing.

Besides, we are slowing down already to 4-5 turns/week, so it will be less turns than it would have been a couple weeks ago.

Cheers,
Pepe

[ January 12, 2004, 08:38: Message edited by: Wendigo ]

[Wendigo]

Patch out!

Download it but do _not_ install it yet.

We will try to coordinate upgrading with the other game going on in this forum, as there are some of us present in both games.

[ywl]

Originally posted by Wendigo:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by ywl:
Let's get somebody take over me. A few turns of substitute will be very unfair to the replacement player. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Why unfair? I have temporarily substituted, and been substituted myself NP. The key here is getting a sub that actually likes playing the nation in question. Contacting old opponents from previous games is a good way to do this.

Then you take the sub with the good & the bad, what he does is well done, regardless of whether it succeeds or you would have done something else...heck, sometimes the sub can even make a better show than the original player, or teach some tricks (has definitely happened to me), and comentting strategy/tactics is fun.

Whatever you decide we'll do, just don't be taken back from a temporary replacement, you can even keep your sub posted afterwards on the progress of the game, and have him still partake on your playing.

Besides, we are slowing down already to 4-5 turns/week, so it will be less turns than it would have been a couple weeks ago.

Cheers,
Pepe [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I've been sub and seen sub before. He basically can't really make many major decision other than filling in the recruiting queue or allocating research points. At this stage, major war will occur any turn. So, if it's going to be on the hand of the other person, it's better that he know that he can make all the decisions (and suffer all the consequence http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ).

The point is more it's easier for me to get a replacement in such a short period than a sub.

Did you get my email about Rabe?

Wan

[Wendigo]

Yes, I got it, I just got a backlog of mails pending answering (sorry for delay), can barely keep pace with this forum also.

We shall upgrade after next hosting. I have R'lyeh & Ermor's turn files, need still Abysia, C'tis & Ulm _in_the_old_Version_.

Then I will host, upgrade, and send you all the next turn files which will be v2.06 (so I suggest you upgrade before viewing them).

Wan, if you prefer a replacement, a replacement will it be. Do you want your rep to start with this turn? If so send him the current .trn file.

[ January 12, 2004, 16:33: Message edited by: Wendigo ]

[ywl]

Originally posted by Wendigo:
Yes, I got it, I just got a backlog of mails pending answering (sorry for delay), can barely keep pace with this forum also.

We shall upgrade after next hosting. I have R'lyeh & Ermor's turn files, need still Abysia, C'tis & Ulm _in_the_old_Version_.

Then I will host, upgrade, and send you all the next turn files which will be v2.06 (so I suggest you upgrade before viewing them).

Wan, if you prefer a replacement, a replacement will it be. Do you want your rep to start with this turn? If so send him the current .trn file. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'll take care of one or two more turns while I brief him on the situation. I'll take care of the transition.

[Texas Longhorn]

Originally posted by Wendigo:

We shall upgrade after next hosting. I have R'lyeh & Ermor's turn files, need still Abysia, C'tis & Ulm _in_the_old_Version_.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I've been trying to send in Ctis's turn for over 24 hours, every 30 minutes, and get:

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

g*****@n*****.com
SMTP error from remote Mailer after MAIL FROM:
host smtpas2.vodafone.es [212.166.186.193]: 550 5.7.1 RBL listed site refused

I've gotten this exact same message before, but it went away on the second or third attempt to send. No problems emailing other people, so my guess is that your ISP has identified either me or my server as a source of spam and is rejecting everything.

Any ideas? If there isn't an easy solution, setting my one province to computer control might be preferable to trying to fight the system, and is unlikely to damage the game, seeing as how I never recovered from an ill-advised (failed) attack on turn 3.

All hail Fluffy, Giver of Food

[ January 12, 2004, 22:23: Message edited by: Texas Longhorn ]

[Wendigo]

Sent you an alternate address.

[Wendigo]

Hosting crashed, 2nd attempt cannot even launch the game.

Message when crashed: Dominions is too old, my Version 2.02, nation 4 Version 2.05

Ok, who is nation 4?

I am reverting to backup.

[Wendigo]

Only removing Ulm's .trn file brings up the hosting screen. Wan, did you upgrade before sending your file?

I need a v2.02 t29 file or your nation will stall.

[Wendigo]

Missunderstanding corrected with a new Ulm.2h file & game hosted t30 succesfully as far as I can see, get back to me if any of you had any problem.

I UPGRADED SERVER after hosting to v2.05, and sent you people the .trn file, so you should all upgrade also.

[ywl]

Originally posted by rabelais:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by ywl:
I'll take care of one or two more turns while I brief him on the situation. I'll take care of the transition.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm ready whenever you want to hand off.

31, 32? what's your schedule/pleasure? No hurry, I'm learning mucho by watching you play... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Rabe </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I finished this turn and have sent it to you for a final look. If there is nothing wrong, *remember* to send it to Wendigo. You can officially take over this turn (30).

[rabelais]

Originally posted by ywl:
sent it to you for a final look. If there is nothing wrong, *remember* to send it to Wendigo. You can officially take over this turn (30). <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">the .2h file you sent showed many commanders on defend, and no recruitment at all, so I fear I may have screwed something up... better send it yourself (check first?) and have wendigo send me the output .trn file

Wendigo, what address should I send my .2h files to?

Also you can use dgoatpcfastnetdotcom as an alternate address if the hotmail get persnickety. Thanks!

Rabe (the Usurper Newb) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Wendigo]

Originally posted by rabelais:
Wendigo, what address should I send my .2h files to?
[/QB]<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">How about hitting reply to the message with the .trn attachment? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

ie. gualteiro2 at navegalia dot com

[Saber Cherry]

Keep in mind, Rabe, we're at peace.

-Cherry
a.k.a. Dust of Doom, the friendly, benificient people's democratic republic of Ermor legally elected first citizen.

[ywl]

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:
Keep in mind, Rabe, we're at peace.

-Cherry
a.k.a. Dust of Doom, the friendly, benificient people's democratic republic of Ermor legally elected first citizen. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I told him already http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

[rabelais]

Originally posted by ywl:
I'll take care of one or two more turns while I brief him on the situation. I'll take care of the transition.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm ready whenever you want to hand off.

31, 32? what's your schedule/pleasure? No hurry, I'm learning mucho by watching you play... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Rabe

[Patrik]

Did you get the file (sent it about 6 hours ago)?
Oh, and I already sent it yesterday http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif - I don't get this. Also, I accidently deleted your mail with the alternative address...
If you still haven't gotten my mail(s), please send me the alternative address again!
/Patrik

[Wendigo]

Got nothing yesterday, got it this afternoon & hosted as soon as I got home.

Will send you the emergency address again.

[rabelais]

Turn is in. Sorry for the delay. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

Could everyone in the game (other than Wendigo, obviously) send their email addresses to dgoatpcfastnetdotcom, so that I have them for diplo purposes? The game messaging system is, um... limited. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Thanks!


Rabe

[Saber Cherry]

To the League of Nations,

I hereby protest the violent activities on my border. Vanheim launched a massive assault on Abysia immediately adjacent to my great nation, disturbing my populace with cries of death by demon claws. The terrible noise was enough to wake the dead.

My scared citizens, completely without my knowledge or consent, banded together in small parties and took matters into their own hands. One of the rabble leaders, Angrod the Mound King, sent me this explanatory message:

Exalted (but democratically elected) First Citizen Dust of Doom,
Vanheim has launched a violent and bloody assault along our borders. Our children cannot sleep at night and they are scared. Will they attack us next? Why did Abysia fall so fast - will Vanheim sweep across them like a plague, grow powerful, and kill us too?

We cannot wait for backup or orders from the capitol. For our children, we shall band together, take back these war-torn territories, and bring them peace. We shall give them over to your just rule, to hold safely until delagations arrive from Abysia and Vanheim to assure us that there will be no more screams of violence in the night along our borders - and that their citizens will be spared any more pain of war.

My poor citizens - how they love me! As requested, I shall hold this new territory for safekeeping, until their previous owners can assure its people's safety. Please take your war elsewhere in the future. And... unfortunately... I seem to have lost contact with my concerned citizens after that letter, so... while I consider myself very much still at peace with all my neighbors (except vile, treacherous, inhuman squid-things)... I cannot guess what my independant, freedom loving citizens may do next.

-Dust of Doom

[Wendigo]

Rabelais:

No need to apologize, the 'turnX, you are Last' post is just a remainder. All other players got it at some point or other, because there is always a Last player.

Cherry:

Most amusing! Do not underestimate the mighty Poldarn & his war host tho.

[Patrik]

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:
Vanheim sweep across them like a plague, grow powerful, and kill us too?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">'like a plague' Exactly, listen to Angrod, cleaver fellow that, you should really pay attention to him.

Poldarn, soon former Lord of Abysia

[Saber Cherry]

You know, Rabe, there's a disturbingly large Ulmish army building up on my border. For somebody who just lost his precious heroine - to indies - this disturbs me, because one tactical error begets others. And invading me would certainly be a tactical error.

Unfortunately, it would seem that you have so many priests in that province that they are actually listed as a major component of the army. Should I assume that they are for defensive purposes?

Rabe, I am a very honest and trusting... um, being. I love my neighbors. But sometimes my citizens get suspicious of unusual border activity... and one thing they REALLY HATE is priests. Too darn preachy. Act all holier-than-thou, then smite you.

Anyway, if you could fill me in on your intentions... my citizens would be much more restful.

-Dust of Doom

P.S. An arrow struck one of my commanders from out of the blue. Having no flesh, it seems to have gone right through his ribcage, doing no damage! How funny! I wonder who it could have come from?

[ January 19, 2004, 07:23: Message edited by: Saber Cherry ]

[Wendigo]

That pesky Mound King survived? What a statistical weirdness, his like often goes down in one hit.
Your commander should have checked the arrowshaft (or his entrails) for Messages, something like 'We are watching you' written on a parchment.

Not that we would know anything, of course.

Elizabetta of Vanheim, Most Beloved Mother of the Vanir

[rabelais]

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:
You know, Rabe, there's a disturbingly large Ulmish army building up on my border. For somebody who just lost his precious heroine - to indies - this disturbs me, because one tactical error begets others. And invading me would certainly be a tactical error...

Unfortunately, it would seem that you have so many priests in that province that they are actually listed as a major component of the army. Should I assume that they are for defensive purposes?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The loss of the unicorn wench is regrettable. I had some trinkets on her I hoped would keep her alive in extremis, but apparently my smiths overstated their efficacy... again. They will be chastened.

The priests are in fact intended defensively. Proof of concept, if you like. As of Last turn you has ~800 units tangent to my new castle, I just wanted to make clear how quickly they can be massed, if needed. Point taken?

They will disperse after they have dealt with the local effects of your odious influence.

Winds of freedom indeed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif


Rabe, I am a very honest and trusting... um, being. I love my neighbors. But sometimes my citizens get suspicious of unusual border activity... and one thing they REALLY HATE is priests. Too darn preachy. Act all holier-than-thou, then smite you.

Anyway, if you could fill me in on your intentions... my citizens would be much more restful.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I have no intentions. Your citizens are, I agree, very much in need of a rest from their decidedly idiosyncratic state of arousal, but the time is not yet come.

I have not decided whether I am rescuing the illithids or the firefolk from their respective perils... new come to power as I am, I have not sorted out my friends from my interests. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif


P.S. An arrow struck one of my commanders from out of the blue. Having no flesh, it seems to have gone right through his ribcage, doing no damage! How funny! I wonder who it could have come from? [/QB][/QUOTE]

You might check with someone else...perhaps with air sorcery at their disposal? The four elements are represented quite distinctly in our world, and air is not mine.

Rabe the Usurper

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by rabelais:
The priests are in fact intended defensively. Proof of concept, if you like. As of Last turn you has ~800 units tangent to my new castle, I just wanted to make clear how quickly they can be massed, if needed. Point taken?

They will disperse after they have dealt with the local effects of your odious influence.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well then, I will ask my townsfolk to return to their graves http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Wendigo]

If anyone's wondering, we are currently waiting on R'lyeh to host t36.

Will bug him again.

[rabelais]

Hey Wendigo, I sent you a new .2h file for turn 37/38

Please use the second one as the first has some dumb mistakes in it...

(that I know about for once http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif )

Thanks,

Rabe the Unready

[Wendigo]

Ok Rabe, will trash first file.

For everybody: currently waiting on R'lyeh & Ermor.

All in all I am pretty satisfied with how the game is flowing, let's keep the pace and not fall further than a couple days between turns.

The only thing I am not too happy with is that scoreboard, it gives far more info on what is going on that the old Dom I charts used to do, it kills part of the fun of not knowing what to expect.

[Wendigo]

Still waiting on R'lyeh. Sent him a 2nd notice & asked if he wants to be subbed.

Cheers,
Pepe

[Saber Cherry]

So... What's the status on the game?

[Wendigo]

If you mean host-wise we are currently waiting for Ulm.

Cheers,
Pepe

[rabelais]

Sent. Was out of town slightly longer than expected, sorry all.


Rabe the Itinerant http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

[Wendigo]

Currently waiting for R'lyeh.

Cheers,
Pepe

[Wendigo]

Important notice!!:

Looks like R'lyeh just went AI. While this is definitely a more ellegant way to leave that to just disappear, I am a bit peeved that Oskari didn't check first for a sub...his nation was in a not so bad situation after all.

I only noticed this after hosting the turn (no explanation was sent with the file) & not seeing his name displayed, nor the .trn file when sending the replies to all.

Generally speaking, I am against solutions that require reverting to a previous copy (as the dice have basically rolled), but will consider it if all & everyone of you ask for such (assuming we get the pass from the original player). Otherwise, we will go from here and will have to deal with the rampaging AI suddenly showing up.


Cheers,
Pepe

[rabelais]

I would *definitely* like a rollback. I had a NAP and quasialliance with r'lyeh, including gem and item donations... a few turns warning that the NAP etc was not in effect would have been nice.

Otherwise I'm going to have difficulty doing much of anything, with my very strat move 1 heavy army.

Explicit treachery I wouldn't have minded, but going borg unannounced is even worse, since it is not anticipatable, much less punishable.

I suggest we try to get a sub.

Rabe the All Wet.

[Saber Cherry]

Yeah, quitting without announcing and letting the AI run crazily is kind of crazy... I'll go for a rollback too.

I should mention that Ryleh's situation is, from my angle, worse than from other people's angles; as such, any new player (if one could be found) would not really have a chance of winning. From what I see.

[ February 08, 2004, 05:47: Message edited by: Saber Cherry ]

[Gandalf Parker]

Those can be the most fun and instructive for a someone to get into. No chance of winning so no ego bruising. But you can see how someone else made choices, what a multiplayer game is like, a chance to try some really off-the-wall tactics without "wasting" a game. Some newbies would do it to become almost a "tourist" to a running multiplayer game, some who feel they are advanced players would for a chance to try and clean up a bad situation. Either way there is no looking bad if they lose.
(feel free to use any of the above when you post for a new player)

[ February 08, 2004, 13:15: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

[Wendigo]

Sorry all,
I have had a difficult weekend with wife & kid being ill, and have not had much time to sit down and review our problem with a clear mind.

We have two players that favour a rollback to previous turn & getting a sub. A third one has expressed a dessire to play on, while the fourth said nothing but already sent his .2h file implicitly stating that he's ok with the situation. My mixed feelings have already been written in my previous post.

As I said, I think that a sub would have been a better solution than the AI is if we were still in the previous turn, but a rollback is not something I am going to do without a consensus, wars have likely been fought & random events have been rolled. This would be in my book a very extreme solution, only to be applied in a situation of 100% agreement by the players.

Thus it looks like some of us will have to pay renewed attention to borders that were kind of safe until now, so be it. The AI will always be a less cunning opponent than a new player not subject by previous agreements would be anyway, and being R'lyeh's pretender immobile prevents the nation from getting him killed & going ballistic vs one particular player.

Cheers,
Pepe

[rabelais]

Sent a note to Ywl asking if he wants the ulm seat back... I got into MP for the tactical improvement and diplomacy, ... spending the rest of the game fighting an AI with a strat move 1 army is not really that interesting to me....

If we don't get a response I will, of course, continue, but I think it would be better to switch out if possible.


Rabe the Turing Trashed

[Wendigo]

If anyone is wondering what happened with Ulm a couple turns ago, the player sent me a .2h file that did not contain his full intended orders, while this was not technically a stale turn for the nation it had the same type of result as a portion of his force did not get new orders (the big host in the border at the very least), and failed to move.

Ulm has been back to normal the past 2 turns as far as I can see. Don't know if the player stills wants to pursue a replacement or has found new interest in the game, wait & see.


Now to the problem at hand: When/whether do we upgrade to v2.08? upgrade or wait a bit?

We do not have Utgard-Jotun in the game which favours upgrading, yet our players might be in other games with Utgard present and would be forced to use 2 installations.

I am still going to host next turn in v2.06 (so make sure you forward your .2h file under the old Version or hosting will fail), and depending on the input from you people we will decide whether to upgrade after hosting or wait.

Cheers,
Pepe

[rabelais]

Given my main army (ahem!) evaporated this turn...

(I had no access to water or astral, so I'm not sure how I might have avoided it....)

...I'm thinking of putting it on computer control myself.

Know anyone who wants to take it over?

Rabe the Subaltern Sublimed

[rabelais]

(bump)

Some feedback so I don't hold things up too much would be appreciated.

Rabe the Ransacked

[Wendigo]

Rabe, mailed you.

[rabelais]

Didn't get anything yet...

Did you send it to hotmail or the other?

Resend if you get a chance?

Thanks,

Rabe the Strangely Insulated

[Wendigo]

Hotmail, I do not think I have another one.

Resending it, send me alternate address if you still do not get it.

Cheers,
Pepe

[rabelais]

Still nothing.

Sent you an alternate earlier.

It is: (In case you didn't get it....)

dgoatpcfastnetdotcom

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Rabe the Apostate Apologetic

[Wendigo]

This makes no sense, how can you get the .trn files NP and not receive these? Will PM you then.

[rabelais]

Got PM. Sent .2h this afternoon. If you do not receive let me know.

No idea why... are you getting bounces?

Rabe the Shielded

[Wendigo]

No bouncing mail Rabelais.

Everybody: waiting for Cherry & we go on.

[Wendigo]

T44 just hosted, I am upgrading host to v2.08 for next hosting, seeing as there doesn't seem any moajor problems apart from the Utgard one.

Cheers,
Pepe

[ February 22, 2004, 18:26: Message edited by: Wendigo ]

[Wendigo]

If anyone's wondering, we are waiting for C'tis.

I have sent the player a couple notices & hope he will forward his .2h file today. One way or the other, I plan on hosting this evening 8:00 PM (GMT+1), as it's been too long since the Last turn.

[Wendigo]

Next turn (46) will be hosted on Monday 8:00 PM latest. We have slowed down a lot the past 2 weeks so I guess we should adopt a more strict schedule to avoid stagnating.

We will host twice a week, on Monday & Thursday. Hosting will only be delayed if any player has any RL problem to make it, _and_ bothers informing the host.

Let's see how this works, comments/suggestions post them here or mail them.

Cheers,
Pepe