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Joonie73

December 2nd, 2003, 05:25 PM

At least approximately?

Pocus

December 2nd, 2003, 06:00 PM

good question, and the answer interest me too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Argitoth

December 2nd, 2003, 08:05 PM

there was an answer around here somewhere.. i can't find the topic because i forgot which topic the answer was in.

I remember that defence doesn't help against arrows.. i'd like to see it re-stated anyway.

Kristoffer O

December 2nd, 2003, 09:17 PM

I'm not sure anyone knows the formula, but if a square is hit there is a roll to see if someone is hit. Only shield defence is used (and perhaps something for fewer sizepoints than 6 in the square, but that might have been in an early dom1 Version).

If size does not count there might be a N/6 chance that the arrow misses, but I'm not certain. Size do matter in some way, but I'm not sure how.

Earlier the Air Shield spell added +6 def, but now Air Shield has been removed from the formula. It is now a percentage instead. Less opaque we hope.

Elmo

December 2nd, 2003, 10:25 PM

IMHO it's better to leave some things unknown. The Last thing we want is to turn this game into an accountants wet dream. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Saber Cherry

December 3rd, 2003, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by Elmo:
IMHO it's better to leave some things unknown. The Last thing we want is to turn this game into an accountants wet dream. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Yeah! Ideally, I'd like all the unit stats hidden too, and have to guess the unit's weapons and armor from its name and bitmap http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

December 3rd, 2003, 05:33 AM

Don't mind Cherrypie, she is just too computer programmy with too much time on her hands.

liga

December 3rd, 2003, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
I'm not sure anyone knows the formula ...What does it means ? Are you not the game designer ? So, at least you, are suppose to know what is coded inside the game ... or I have miss something ?

Anyway it could be nice to have (I hope it will be in the original manual/CD I'm waiting for) some detailed explanation to how the combat really works ... I'm an old wargames player and I like to know what happens!

good play and good luck to all
Liga

johan osterman

December 3rd, 2003, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by liga:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
I'm not sure anyone knows the formula ...What does it means ? Are you not the game designer ? So, at least you, are suppose to know what is coded inside the game ... or I have miss something ?

Anyway it could be nice to have (I hope it will be in the original manual/CD I'm waiting for) some detailed explanation to how the combat really works ... I'm an old wargames player and I like to know what happens!

good play and good luck to all
Liga <hr /></blockquote>Much of the code for dom 2 is reused dom 1 code, so it might be up to 6 years ago since the code was programmed. This means that there are not only forumlas that are forgotten but occasionally also features. Furthermore Kristoffer is not a programmer, Johan Karlsson does nearly all of the coding, Johan Karlsson has a highly selective memory and occasionally forgets his own birthdays. So there are plenty of formulas in dom 2 that no one presently knows. Quite frankly you would have to be autistic to know all dom 2 formulas.

As for the effectiveness of shields, the number of units in the square is not really that important to estimate the shield effectiveness as long as you know that there is a basic 10+(2d6) vs 10+(2d6)+(shield def) roll if the missile hits the square.

[ December 03, 2003, 06:53: Message edited by: johan osterman ]

liga

December 3rd, 2003, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by johan osterman:
there is a basic 10+(2d6) vs 10+(2d6)+(shield def) roll if the missile hits the square. '
... OK .. that was the kind of formulas I was looking for and I hope to find things like that in then man ... anyway, I didn't realize dom I was so 'old' ... that means that is good becouse it means that is really a good and replayable game ...

thk
Liga

Joonie73

December 3rd, 2003, 10:06 AM

Cherry's actually a chick? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Originally posted by Zen:
Don't mind Cherrypie, she is just too computer programmy with too much time on her hands.

Elmo

December 3rd, 2003, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:
Yeah! Ideally, I'd like all the unit stats hidden too, and have to guess the unit's weapons and armor from its name and bitmap http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif When you watched Lord of the Rings did you sit there thinking "No problme Gandalf, you've got your sword +5 vs Fire Demons and that wimpy Balrog only has 2 Magic Resistance. You've got a 65.5% chance of winning this fight even without a +3 shiled!"? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Elmo

December 3rd, 2003, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by PDF:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif Yeah, I don't care for stats of movie characters; I *do* care for unit stats in a strategy game.
They are nearly as useful as the game rules themselves, and without them the "strategy" becomes "blind guessing about how it works", plain boring... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif When adding an open ended 2d6 to many of the numbers it introduces enough randomness that you're guessing at the results anyway.

PS - Apologies to Joonie73 for hijacking this thread. I'll bow out now.

[ December 03, 2003, 17:55: Message edited by: Elmo ]

PDF

December 4th, 2003, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by Elmo:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Saber Cherry:
Yeah! Ideally, I'd like all the unit stats hidden too, and have to guess the unit's weapons and armor from its name and bitmap http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif When you watched Lord of the Rings did you sit there thinking "No problme Gandalf, you've got your sword +5 vs Fire Demons and that wimpy Balrog only has 2 Magic Resistance. You've got a 65.5% chance of winning this fight even without a +3 shiled!"? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <hr /></blockquote>http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif Yeah, I don't care for stats of movie characters; I *do* care for unit stats in a strategy game.
They are nearly as useful as the game rules themselves, and without them the "strategy" becomes "blind guessing about how it works", plain boring... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Joonie73

December 4th, 2003, 06:04 AM

No one responded to my query http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

Originally posted by Joonie73:
Cherry's actually a chick? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Zen:
Don't mind Cherrypie, she is just too computer programmy with too much time on her hands. <hr /></blockquote>

Mind Elemental

December 4th, 2003, 09:42 AM

Well, Cherry's user pic is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Originally posted by Joonie73:
No one responded to my query http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Joonie73:
Cherry's actually a chick? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Zen:
Don't mind Cherrypie, she is just too computer programmy with too much time on her hands. <hr /></blockquote><hr /></blockquote>