So i made a new world map [Archive]

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 04:11 PM

Now how do i get it to illwinter? Compressed it's 20MB so email isn't really an option.

Here's a preview new world map (http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=45516)

Gandalf Parker

February 29th, 2004, 04:19 PM

Posting an URL will often do it. Sending it to info@ over at the illwinter.com site will also take care of it if they like it.
Doing both, sending an email with an URL address of where they can pick up the file is actually the internet-friendliest method of all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
Now how do i get it to illwinter? Compressed it's 20MB so email isn't really an option.Good question. Send the guys at IW an email with the question. Or perhaps you can upload it to Shrapnel (ask them) and they can get it to IW.

I can host it, but I don't have a publically-accessible ftp server for you to upload it to me. And it might take me a bit of time to figure out how to grant you specific access rights to the domain I'm borrowing. I'll look into it. Here's a preview new world map (http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=45516) Comment: your water provinces are too large. You should cut them down to 2/3 or 1/2 their present size, IMO.

[ February 29, 2004, 14:24: Message edited by: Arryn ]

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Posting an URL will often do it.With respect, that assumes he has a web/ftp site of his own ...

I suspect that he doesn't.

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 04:29 PM

Comment: your water provinces are too large. You should cut them down to 2/3 or 1/2 their present size, IMO.
The map is more or less a copy of the existing world map. So the ammount of provinces (and water provinces) is the same give or take one. Cutting them would produce new provinces and that would screw up the .map file and i'm not going to do that anytime soon.

Btw how does the random map generator figure out the neighbouring provinces? Maybe i could utilize that algorithm.

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 04:32 PM

With respect, that assumes he has a web/ftp site of his own ...

I suspect that he doesn't.
Correct. But only because of utter lazyness. Some might say a comp science student should have one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 04:57 PM

Ok this attempt failed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Did a google search for free hosting, found one with 60MB unlimited bandwith, signed up, created virtual server, started upload manager....the maximum size per file is 200kB http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Gandalf Parker

February 29th, 2004, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
Ok this attempt failed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Did a google search for free hosting, found one with 60MB unlimited bandwith, signed up, created virtual server, started upload manager....the maximum size per file is 200kB http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif You can send it to me if you want. I have provided temp lodging for other peoples files so that Illwinter can pick them up.

Send to gandalf at community net

Gandalf Parker

February 29th, 2004, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Arryn:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Posting an URL will often do it.With respect, that assumes he has a web/ftp site of his own ...

I suspect that he doesn't. <hr /></blockquote>I am always surprised by that. Most ISPs provide space for at least a simple web page although most Users dont realize it.

But then I dont use ISPs anymore so things might have changed

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
You can send it to me if you want. I have provided temp lodging for other peoples files so that Illwinter can pick them up.

Send to gandalf at community net Once you have it, I can d/l it and host it for him.

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Most ISPs provide space for at least a simple web page although most Users dont realize it.And depending on your ISP and the type of service you have, you may only have 10-20mb of available space. Better ISPs provide about 100mb. Or more. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Of course, all this assumes the person 1) knows they even have available space, and 2) has a clue on how to use it ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Arryn:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Most ISPs provide space for at least a simple web page although most Users dont realize it.And depending on your ISP and the type of service you have, you may only have 10-20mb of available space. Better ISPs provide about 100mb. Or more. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Of course, all this assumes the person 1) knows they even have available space, and 2) has a clue on how to use it ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <hr /></blockquote>1) costs 9.95� for 50MB and 5GB transfer/month at my ISP
2) that's the lesser problem of the two

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Arryn:
[QUOTE]Of course, all this assumes the person 1) knows they even have available space, and 2) has a clue on how to use it ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif 1) costs 9.95� for 50MB and 5GB transfer/month at my ISP
2) that's the lesser problem of the two <hr /></blockquote>1) Just to make sure there's no unfortunate misunderstanding, I wasn't implying that you were clueless. The fact that you went to the effort to find a hosting service ruled that out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

2) 10 euros just for the space, or for the entire account? Just curious. If it's for the account, that's cheap.

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 05:49 PM

2) 10 euros just for the space, or for the entire account? Just curious. If it's for the account, that's cheap. No, unfortunately it's to add that space (together with some other stuff, like 25 email adresses no one needs) to my existing account.

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 06:11 PM

You may want to look at ReadyHosting.com if you want a cheaper hosting alternative with much more available space (~500mb). (They host the BL23c.com domain I'm borrowing.) If you decide you want to sign up with them, please let me know in advance so that my BF can get the referral benefit that I think they offer to existing clients.

Wauthan

February 29th, 2004, 06:12 PM

Download winrar trial. http://www.rarlab.com/

Install program. Right click the file. Select "add to archive..". Select "Split to volumes, bytes." Type in the max size your e-mail service allows for transfer. Send archive in pieces to Illwinter (might not have winrar though), Gandalf or Arryn.

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Wauthan:
Download winrar trial. http://www.rarlab.com/

Install program. Right click the file. Select "add to archive..". Select "Split to volumes, bytes." Type in the max size your e-mail service allows for transfer. Send archive in pieces to Illwinter (might not have winrar though), Gandalf or Arryn. An excellent suggestion! And, FYI, I have WinRAR, so I can read what he sends, if he decides to do this. I also have a util to process Mac archives.

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 06:28 PM

Have winrar, didn't want to do it that way.

Ah well, Arryn here it comes.

Gandalf Parker

February 29th, 2004, 06:28 PM

I didnt catch that it was an email size problem. I have had people send me zips and such in pieces for that reason. Then I make it a whole file and give a download link for them to use.

Or if its a need for an ftp account I can do that also

[ February 29, 2004, 16:29: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 06:31 PM

A ftp account would be cool. I already put it on my student account so the upload should be a matter of a minute.

And i promise tomorrow i find out how to setup a webpage on that account http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ February 29, 2004, 16:33: Message edited by: Torvak ]

Saber Cherry

February 29th, 2004, 06:38 PM

I bet it would compress well with lossless PNG. Try doing that, then zipping it.

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 06:40 PM

It's 49.7MB uncompressed.

Gandalf Parker

February 29th, 2004, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
A ftp account would be cool. I already put it on my student account so the upload should be a matter of a minute.

And i promise tomorrow i find out how to setup a webpage on that account http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif You dont really have to have a web page. If its in the directory for a webpage then it can be downloaded.

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 07:58 PM

It's also been ~1.5 hours since Torvak posted that he sent me an email attachment and I've yet to get it ...

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Arryn:
It's also been ~1.5 hours since Torvak posted that he sent me an email attachment and I've yet to get it ... That's probably because i never sent it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
That's probably because i never sent it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif "Arryn here it comes"

Okay, tease me. Grrr. heh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Just as well. It's probably best if you wait and see if you can u/l to Gandalf so I can grab it from him, or post a temp URL that I can grab it from. It'll be easier than you having to break the file up and then spend however long it takes to email all the pieces ...

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 08:08 PM

BTW, Torvak, that URL in your sig, "http://www.bl23c.com/files.htm" is no longer valid. I restructured the site's directories yesterday while you weren't looking. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

The correct URL is "http://www.bl23c.com/arryn/files.htm".

[ February 29, 2004, 18:12: Message edited by: Arryn ]

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 08:16 PM

Ok here (http://www.techno-mage.com/~dominion/Dominions2/newworld.rar) we go. Thanks to Gandalf.

Though now that it's out i'm already unhappy with it. Guess i'll make a new Version tomorrow.

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
Ok here (http://www.techno-mage.com/~dominion/Dominions2/newworld.rar) we go. Thanks to Gandalf.Got it. Took 3.5 minutes at Gandalf's 512k bandwidth limit.

However, there appears to be a problem. Internally, the archive says the compressed size is 21.35mb, but the d/l size from Gandalf was only 12.5mb. Please check to make sure the file wasn't truncated.

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 08:43 PM

Hrmpf. But before you say it. I used binary mode http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Gandalf Parker

February 29th, 2004, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
Ok here (http://www.techno-mage.com/~dominion/Dominions2/newworld.rar) we go. Thanks to Gandalf.

Though now that it's out i'm already unhappy with it. Guess i'll make a new Version tomorrow. Should I just leave the account there and you can put it in www.techno-mage.com (http://www.techno-mage.com) in your /public_html/ and it can be downloaded from ~torvak

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 08:47 PM

I'll upload it again. Not sure what happened.

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
Hrmpf. But before you say it. I used binary mode http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Actually, I wasn't going to. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt re: "in general having a clue". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I don't think the wrong mode would have truncated the file like that. Well, possibly if it hit the right character combo. But it's likelier to be something else. 12.498mb strikes me as a suspiciously roundish number.

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 08:54 PM

Hmm filesize in my ftp account there is 21 MB but the file Gandalf copied is 12 MB. Maybe he copied it before i was done uploading. Hmm is that even possible?

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 08:58 PM

Ok try this. (http://www.techno-mage.com/~torvak/newworld.rar)

PDF

February 29th, 2004, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
Hmm filesize in my ftp account there is 21 MB but the file Gandalf copied is 12 MB. Maybe he copied it before i was done uploading. Hmm is that even possible? Yes, just get it, file is incomplete .. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Try again !

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
Maybe he copied it before i was done uploading. Hmm is that even possible? Yes, it is.

I'm downloading now, 20.86mb, be another 11+ minutes. I'm only getting ~17k bandwidth now. Someone else must be banging on Gandalf's box ...

[ February 29, 2004, 19:20: Message edited by: Arryn ]

Gandalf Parker

February 29th, 2004, 09:12 PM

well I showed that he wasnt connected when I got it but it did show a "brocken connection" for his login. I just figured he had closed the program window rather than log off as many people do.

[ February 29, 2004, 19:14: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

Psitticine

February 29th, 2004, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by Arryn:
You may want to look at ReadyHosting.com if you want a cheaper hosting alternative with much more available space (~500mb). (They host the BL23c.com domain I'm borrowing.) If you decide you want to sign up with them, please let me know in advance so that my BF can get the referral benefit that I think they offer to existing clients. FWIW, I'm using ReadyHosting and have been quite happy with them.

PhilD

February 29th, 2004, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
Ok here (http://www.techno-mage.com/~dominion/Dominions2/newworld.rar) we go. Thanks to Gandalf.

Though now that it's out i'm already unhappy with it. Guess i'll make a new Version tomorrow. What's that "rar" extension? (I'm used to the .zip, which can be extracted easily on my Linux system, but this...)

Ragnarok-X

February 29th, 2004, 09:21 PM

well dont me wrong, but im not 56k. I will NEVER ever download 20 or even 50 mb for a map. Even the few MBs when dling Targa's map hurted...

Is there any way you can make it smaller, like max. 10 mb ?!

please ^^ the map looks good...

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by PhilD:
What's that "rar" extension? (I'm used to the .zip, which can be extracted easily on my Linux system, but this...) It's another archive type. Don't worry. I intend to repackage it as a .zip when I upload it to my site.

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 09:23 PM

Ok let me zip it. But will take a while uploading through 128kBit/s dsl upstream.

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
Ok let me zip it. But will take a while uploading through 128kBit/s dsl upstream. Don't bother. I can do it on my end just fine.

And my DSL is also 128Kb up. (1.5Mb down)

[ February 29, 2004, 19:25: Message edited by: Arryn ]

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 09:30 PM

Rar for Linux (http://www.downseek.com/download/20086.asp)

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 09:30 PM

{post deleted}

[ February 29, 2004, 19:51: Message edited by: Arryn ]

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 09:34 PM

Nope. Everything still there.

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
Nope. Everything still there. OK, thanks. I finally grabbed it.

I've repackaged it as a .zip and am uploading to my site as I type this. It'll be ~30-35 minutes before it's ready (128Kb up is slow). It's too bad it needs to be in .zip format, because the .zip is a full 5Mb larger (26Mb) than the .rar (21Mb) ...

[ February 29, 2004, 19:49: Message edited by: Arryn ]

Torvak

February 29th, 2004, 09:50 PM

Is there any way you can make it smaller, like max. 10 mb ?!
Well there is hope. I'm not really satisfied with this map. It looks a little bit too sterile for my taste and has some other quirks.

Demosthenes

February 29th, 2004, 09:52 PM

I was able to get it at over 60KB/sec.

[ February 29, 2004, 19:55: Message edited by: Demosthenes ]

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by Demosthenes:
I was able to get it at over 60KB/sec. *You* were the reason I was getting bad d/l rates ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Demosthenes

February 29th, 2004, 09:54 PM

not so. My d/l only took five minutes and I probably started while you were posting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 09:57 PM

I was teasing you. But someone was tying up Gandalf's site. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I'm pretty sure that the bandwidth of ReadyHosting is a lot better ... once I get the file past the bottleneck of my DSL uplink and posted to my site.

Gandalf Parker

February 29th, 2004, 10:02 PM

Well the dominions game Im hosting got abit active, and the MUD got busy. But I didnt see any big load spikes

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 10:04 PM

A CPU spike by Dom may have killed my 2nd try at the file. The 3rd try was a success, though, so no biggie. But thanks for looking into it even if no one asked. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Leif_-

February 29th, 2004, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Is there any way you can make it smaller, like max. 10 mb ?!
Well there is hope. I'm not really satisfied with this map. It looks a little bit too sterile for my taste and has some other quirks. <hr /></blockquote>I noticed that the water was a dithering of several different shades of blue. I replaced that with a single solid colour and saved the .tga with compression. Together with max compression using zip, I got it down to 7.3 MB (I actually got it down to 5.2 MB by compressing it as a bzip2-ed tar archieve.) If you want I can put it up on my homepage.

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Leif_-:
Together with max compression using zip, I got it down to 7.3 MB (I actually got it down to 5.2 MB by compressing it as a bzip2-ed tar archieve.) If you want I can put it up on my homepage. Can you put up a (temp) link to the 7.3Mb .zip? I'd like to at least look at it. Depending on how yours looks vs. Torvak's current one, I may replace the one I'm uploading to my site.

Once Torvak's prettied his up, I'm sure I'll end up using his.

TIA.

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 10:23 PM

Okay, Torvak's file is finally up on my site. Have fun, folks ...

Leif_-

February 29th, 2004, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Arryn:
Can you put up a (temp) link to the 7.3Mb .zip? I'd like to at least look at it. Depending on how yours looks vs. Torvak's current one, I may replace the one I'm uploading to my site.[/QUOTE]

It's up at http://home.Online.no/~rmoldskr/Dominions/newworld.zip

I doubt you'll see any difference unless you look for it.

Pirateiam

February 29th, 2004, 10:31 PM

Thanks Arryn. Thanks Torvak. Will have to try this later tonight.

Arryn

February 29th, 2004, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Leif_-:
It's up at http://home.Online.no/~rmoldskr/Dominions/newworld.zip

I doubt you'll see any difference unless you look for it. Thanks. The water on your map is, IMO, of acceptable quality. Torvak's looks slightly better, but it's not worth the cost of making the zip file be 26.3Mb instead of 7.6Mb (and a 40Mb difference uncompressed!). I have uploaded yours on to my site and replaced his with it.

[ February 29, 2004, 21:04: Message edited by: Arryn ]

PDF

February 29th, 2004, 11:02 PM

Grabbed it fully, very pretty World map, much much better than the previous one ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Thanks Torvak : http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Arryn

March 1st, 2004, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Torvak:
Rar for Linux (http://www.downseek.com/download/20086.asp) D/L links on that page are both bad ...

Leif_-

March 1st, 2004, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Arryn:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Torvak:
Rar for Linux (http://www.downseek.com/download/20086.asp) D/L links on that page are both bad ... <hr /></blockquote>Try going directly to the source. (http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm)

[ March 01, 2004, 08:21: Message edited by: Leif_- ]

Arryn

March 1st, 2004, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Leif_-:
Try going directly to the source. (http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm) I did just that ... before your post. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

EDIT: Google is a wonderful tool ...

[ March 01, 2004, 08:24: Message edited by: Arryn ]

Norfleet

March 1st, 2004, 10:30 AM

It looks very nice. As a World-map-iphile, I've noticed several key differences in the Torvak Version:

Hawaii no longer exists at a province, this being the most noticeable. Also, it looks as if the terrain illustrations and province terrain flags aren't matching up: Is this an intentional omission, or simply a mischeck?

Arryn

March 1st, 2004, 10:32 AM

Yeah, I sorta noticed that the Alps were due south of Berlin or Krakow ...

Torvak

March 1st, 2004, 10:54 AM

That's what i meant with not really being happy with it anymore. Noticed it when naming the provinces and the Ural ended up east of the graphics. So there will be a new Version.

PDF

March 1st, 2004, 01:52 PM

Torvak, if you're making a new Version, I have a request : could we have thinner province borders ? As it stands province are relatively small, map must ne zoomed to be readable and then borders are 5 mm wide, that's too much IMHO.

Torvak

March 1st, 2004, 03:14 PM

Hmm right now i just extracted the borders from the old map. That's why they are so thick. But i'm getting more used to gimp (just started using it saturday) and this time i keep the different features on different layers so it'll be possible to easily change the borders later.

Gandalf Parker

March 1st, 2004, 03:58 PM

Copying the borders and capitals to their own layer is very handy in GIMP. Lets you wipe them off of the map, make changes in the map without affecting border/capitals. OR make changes in the borders/capitals without affecting the map. Paste it all back together when you are done.

GIMP being used by the Dominions devs makes so much sense to me. Both are great (if you can get past the learning curve) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
And both are still something Im trying to reach that point

[ March 01, 2004, 13:59: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

Torvak

March 1st, 2004, 04:19 PM

Right now i'm trying to figure out how to copy the white dots to another layer. It must be possible.
Or something like remove every pixel that is not RGB255/255/255.

[ March 01, 2004, 14:21: Message edited by: Torvak ]

Leif_-

March 1st, 2004, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Torvak:
Right now i'm trying to figure out how to copy the white dots to another layer. It must be possible.
Or something like remove every pixel that is not RGB255/255/255. Make a copy of the layer. Right click, choose Select, choose "by colour", set fuzzynes threshold to 0, select a white dot. Right click, choose select, choose Invert. Press CTRL-X. You now have a layer with everything but the white dots cut away.

Torvak

March 1st, 2004, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Leif_-:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Torvak:
Right now i'm trying to figure out how to copy the white dots to another layer. It must be possible.
Or something like remove every pixel that is not RGB255/255/255. Make a copy of the layer. Right click, choose Select, choose "by colour", set fuzzynes threshold to 0, select a white dot. Right click, choose select, choose Invert. Press CTRL-X. You now have a layer with everything but the white dots cut away. <hr /></blockquote>Thank you that did it.