MP Game - Orania Semiblitz

[Zapmeister]

This is the official thread for the new Mosehansen (see www.mosehansen.dk) (http://www.mosehansen.dk)) game Orania Semiblitz. Please announce your nation here before uploading a pretender. There are house rules, so please don't join unless you are willing to abide by them.

1. The game will not start until all nations are filled.

2. The Vampire Queen may not be chosen except by the player (if any) of Black Forest Ulm.

3. All nations are limited in the number of clams they may forge. The limit is half of the current turn number. For example, a nation with 11 clams on turn 26 may forge up to 2 more clams that turn. Clams found on the battlefield may be kept (but no more forged) in excess of this limit.

4. If a nation stales for 2 turns in a row, I will arrange for that nation to be moved to AI. I'll try to find a non-player to do this, to avoid viewing the position myself. Note that the game has a 18-hour turnaround, with quickhost.

5. The non-default settings are:

a) 50 total VPs, 25 to win. Capitals are worth 2 VPs (I hope - I've never messed with VPs before).

b) Difficult research
c) Independent strength 6
d) Magic site frequency 50
e) Hall of Fame entries 15
f) Map Orania (of course)

[ June 01, 2004, 16:50: Message edited by: Zen ]

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
2. The Vampire Queen may not be chosen except by the player (if any) of Black Forest Ulm.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Which is the nation that I'll be playing.

[Cainehill]

I think 12 hour quickhost will make for problems, especially if you want a full game. It's nice for getting the game off to a quicker start, but eventually people are going to be away from their computers for more than 12 hours - weekends, long work days, etc.

And the 12 QH means that you can't count on buying yourself some time by being the first person to take their turn. Even if you take your turn while there's 11 hours 55 minutes to go, thus figuring you have almost 24 hours before the next turn, murphy's law says that everyone will then take their turn in the first hour, and in 13 hours (rather than 24) you get a stale turn.

That said, I'll probably be in, just to watch the R'lyeh / Atlantis hatefest that Orania forces in 17 player games. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Just gotta deicide if I want Vanheim, Man, Pangaea, Machaka, Arco, or if masochistic, T'ien C'hi.

[Cohen]

I'll Play with Abysya

[Zapmeister]

I think 12 hour quickhost will make for problems, especially if you want a full game.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You're probably right about that. So I'll reserve the right to modify the turnaround time, if possible, after we get into the game.

EDIT: On a whim, I've modified the turnaround time to 18 hours with quickhost, because I think the QH will mostly satisfy our need for speed at the very start, and I'm concerned I may not be able to extend it later.

EDIT: Although I set total VPs=50 and extra capital VPs ON, the page displays blank in the total VPs field and capital VPs=1. I don't know what this means, but we may be playing to victory conditions that were not intended :-( .

[ May 03, 2004, 04:42: Message edited by: Zapmeister ]

[Cheezeninja]

Ill take Ermor.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
3. All nations are limited in the number of clams they may forge. The limit is half of the current turn number. For example, a nation with 11 clams on turn 26 may forge up to 2 more clams that turn. Clams found on the battlefield may be kept (but no more forged) in excess of this limit.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">So let me see if I understand this: You can forge as many clams as you wish, as long as the number of clams in your possession is less than half the current turn number, after which you may not forge clams until the number of clams in your possession is again below the half the turn number. Is that correct? Do we round up or down?

If that's correct, count me in for Van.

[ May 03, 2004, 05:53: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Zapmeister]

Is that correct? Do we round up or down?<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That is correct. Round down.

You can forge as many clams as you wish, as long as the number of clams in your possession is less than half the current turn number<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">But I think my wording, with the example, was clearer. The point being that the number of clams in your possession after forging must be less than or equal to half the current turn number.

[ May 03, 2004, 06:34: Message edited by: Zapmeister ]

[Zapmeister]

I have R'lyeh

[vigabrand]

I'll take Man

[Cainehill]

I'll take Pangaea - the forests are mine!

(And the lakes, the rivers, the mountains, the desert wastelands. But take all the farmland and plains you desire.)

[IKerensky]

I could be interested in joining, impersonnating the "please not bash me too painfully" beginner...

But I cant even figure how to join on the game from the server web page http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[rabelais]

I will take atlantis, if it is open. thanks

[IKerensky]

OUPS,

I know some people around there are going to kill me for what I mistakenly done...

I guess I wrongly started the game by mistake http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Please dont hit me too hard it was really unintentional...

[ May 03, 2004, 18:54: Message edited by: IKerensky ]

[Norfleet]

Accidentally hit Start Game instead of disconnect, eh?

[IKerensky]

Well it was my first attempt at joining a network game so ... yes I made the wrong choice http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[Zapmeister]

OK, I'll stop the game and create a new one under the name "Orania_Fast".

EDIT: OK, the game has been re-created under the new name. Please upload your pretender again. Note the new port number.

IKerensky: Don't worry about it. We all do something like this at some time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ May 03, 2004, 23:33: Message edited by: Zapmeister ]

[Maltrease]

If the game hasn't filled up by the time I get off work today (9 hours from now) I'll take Jotunheim.

[Zapmeister]

An anonymous person has uploaded a pretender for Ulm. I assume that it's not Graeme, who claimed Ulm here, nor any person that reads this thread.

I don't think it would be fair to sanction gazumping the position, since reading this thread is not a requirement for playing the game.

My sympathy goes to Graeme, however, who I'm sure would have made the point about VQs with convincing force. Maybe this anonymous guy will too.

[Norfleet]

A pity, really. I was hoping I'd get the opportunity to give Graeme a firm drubbing despite his VQ, thus demonstrating the invalidity of his claims.

I would, however, firmly suggest that you go ahead and sanction the gazumping if the offending player does not identify himself. Anonymous, nameless players that post nothing in response to the game invariably are the same people who will AWOL.

[ May 04, 2004, 03:25: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Pirateiam]

I would like to claim T'ien C'hi

[Zapmeister]

Anonymous, nameless players that post nothing in response to the game invariably are the same people who will AWOL.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That may be true. But the fact remains that the player may not read this board at all, reading this board is not a requirement, and the mosehansen site clearly forbids gazumping.

Although I would like to do this, for the same reasons as you, I don't think we have the right.

[Norfleet]

I now notice that my intended position has also been filled by an anonymous player, who might actually be me, and that I've simply forgotten that I uploaded, and was interrupted by someone before I could confess on the webpage.

But I'm not sure. Should I just overwrite what could possibly be me, and flag the slot, or what?

Who are these random anonymous people anyway?

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
Although I would like to do this, for the same reasons as you, I don't think we have the right. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That concern is certainly valid. On the other hand, it is your game. If anyone's going to have to make the decision, it's you.

Like I said, up to you: Do we just move back into the slots we already claimed beforehand, and possibly risk booting out an anonymous player who stumbled into the game from the webpage (and then didn't bother to actually declare his slot, despite the fact that he was ON the webpage to do so), or would you rather keep the unidentified players instead?

The matter gets more complicated when the unidentified Vanheim player may or may not actually be me.

Up to you: Would you rather go with players who are known and have declared a commitment to play, or a nameless player who has squatted on the slot, who may or may not be committed to playing?

[ May 04, 2004, 03:36: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Zapmeister]

I now notice that my intended position has also been filled by an anonymous player, who might actually be me, and that I've simply forgotten that I uploaded, and was interrupted by someone before I could confess on the webpage.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The onus is on you to recall your own actions. If you are in doubt, then I think you should wait until the game starts, and play the position only if your password works.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
An anonymous person has uploaded a pretender for Ulm. I assume that it's not Graeme, who claimed Ulm here, nor any person that reads this thread.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What's the problem? I uploaded my pretender, but hadn't yet clicked on the selection on the webpage.

[Pirateiam]

Do we have any idea when this one will start?
Are you really going to wait for 17 players?

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
A pity, really. I was hoping I'd get the opportunity to give Graeme a firm drubbing despite his VQ, thus demonstrating the invalidity of his claims.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You do realize Norfleet, that I've never tried to play optimally in any of my games against you, and that BF Ulm doesn't have the free points to make a truly fearsome VQ. If I wanted to make everybody but Ermor really suffer, then I'd pick Miasma C'Tis, not Ulm.

[Zapmeister]

Are you really going to wait for 17 players?<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes. The Last 2 games I've started with this condition took about 48 hours to fill. This one may take a little longer because fewer people can play at 18 hours per turn.

[Cainehill]

I'll have Pangaea uploaded sometime tomorrow (er, today) - I'm working on my new theories for rainbow medusas and astral carrion dragons. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[IKerensky]

Ok I will play Jotunheim so http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Trying not to botch anything this time, will upload in a few hours. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif stay tuned

[Cainehill]

Well, I see someone _ELSE_ decided to start the game early.

It'd be so nice if Illwinter would do something to correct the interface to eliminate this recurring idiocy.

[ May 04, 2004, 14:11: Message edited by: Cainehill ]

[IKerensky]

Well that wasn't me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

But I got a problem when I try to play the Jotun turn in the game I keep crashing to desktop without seeing the map. Any idea why ?

[vigabrand]

I see people have taken turns, are we starting? Or is another game going to be created?

Vig

[Zapmeister]

Well, this could get tedious. The game has been re-created (again) this time as "Orania_Quick". I'm running out of similar titles, guys, so please be careful !!

[IKerensky]

ok I joined as Jotunheim... even if I'd rather take Atlantis , but is was already taken in the previous game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[rabelais]

You can have atlantis Kerensky, I'm in too many games right now as is. I'm out.

Rabe (who needs a Towel?)

[IKerensky]

Well I already logged once as jotunheim... anyway for me to take it back ?

[rabelais]

Declare Jotunheim open.

It may be claimed (overwritten) only by someone who Posts in this thread FIRST, etc.

Rabe the Reorganizer

[IKerensky]

Well I declare it open ... anyway I can do this in game too ?

[Norfleet]

You can check "That's not me!" on the server, so you'll no longer be claiming that slot, so others can claim it, and then claim your new Atlantis slot.

[odd_enuf]

i'd like to join as Machaka, but i can't find the ip adress to join, only the port #.

odd_enuf

[Maltrease]

Just use www.mosehansen.dk (http://www.mosehansen.dk) as the IP address.

[odd_enuf]

got it, in as machaka

[Norfleet]

I'm giving my Van slot to Haterider and moving over to Arco.

[Stormbinder]

EDIT: Nevermind.

[ May 07, 2004, 03:24: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

[Maltrease]

I'll take Pythium.

[odd_enuf]

one question, what is the random event freq set at? didn't see that anywhere in this thread.

odd_enuf

[Zapmeister]

one question, what is the random event freq set at? didn't see that anywhere in this thread.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Common

[Esben Mose Hansen]

I'll take the Pangaea. I must like being beaten :-D

[sergex]

I picked Marignon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Zapmeister]

Waiting for someone to play Abysia and T'ien Ch'i. I think we've waited long enough so I'll give it another 24 hours to fill, then start the game.

[Cohen]

I take Abysya!
I go create the pretender!

[Zapmeister]

Orania Quick has started. There is no T'ien Ch'i.
Good luck everyone! And please remember to go to computer control if you drop out.

[vigabrand]

Ok something strange is going on. I uploaded my pretender a while ago, and I just went in to play my turn, and that is not my pretender or scales. There wasn't even a password. What the heck is going on? The scales are so messed up, I'm pretty much screwed. Is it possible for someone else to upload over me? I'm playing Man.

Vig

[Zapmeister]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif You have been gazumped. Unfortunately, the only available remedy is to restart the game, which I don't want to do as it has taken so long to get it started in the first place. And there would be no guarantee that another gazumping would not occur.

Many people, myself included, are desperately hoping that Illwinter will give us some protection from gazumpers in the next patch.

In the meantime, your only alternatives are to play the broken position, or go to AI. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[vigabrand]

wouldn't be so bad if the productivity scale wasn't -3! I'll play and see what I can do with this.

Vig

[Norfleet]

If your scales have been deliberately screwed over in such a fashion, this may be deliberate sabotage.

This wouldn't surprise me: It appears the game may have been sabotaged again: The system is down!

While the game shows as one minute to host....and has been doing so for nearly an hour now, it is impossible to connect: Further investigation reveals the designated port is simply not listening. Consultation of the Magic 8-Ball reveals "Outlook not so good.". Don't use Outlook, obviously. It sucks.

[ May 12, 2004, 19:32: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
If your scales have been deliberately screwed over in such a fashion, this may be deliberate sabotage.

This wouldn't surprise me: It appears the game may have been sabotaged again: The system is down!

While the game shows as one minute to host....and has been doing so for nearly an hour now, it is impossible to connect: Further investigation reveals the designated port is simply not listening. Consultation of the Magic 8-Ball reveals "Outlook not so good.". Don't use Outlook, obviously. It sucks. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The good news: The game wasn't saboatage, and I've fixed the game. Every single game is going to crash at next turn, unless the game owner restarts the game before then. I had to upgrade a software component --- And being lazy I just upgraded the whole shebang. Unfortunately, that means some modules have changed names, and so on.

The bad news: This has effectively reset the counter to 18hours. So next turn will be a while. But then Abysia and Atlantis might take their turn and solve that little problem.

As for the sabotage of vigabrand: If anyone is going to be sabotaged, I'd think it would be Norfleet --- since he is rumored to be the best player. So for my money, someone was just plain incompetent. I'll have to work on some strategies to prevent this --- see the main server thread. My condolescense to vigabrand :-( Take it as a challenge or become computer controlled and start a new game. It is not as though it takes very long to get a enough players....

Maybe we should all use this strategy in the game: Strike at Norfleet! ;-) ;-) (Peter will know what I mean. )

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Esben Mose Hansen:
As for the sabotage of vigabrand: If anyone is going to be sabotaged, I'd think it would be Norfleet --- since he is rumored to be the best player. So for my money, someone was just plain incompetent.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, it helps that I've developed the paranoid habit of constantly reuploading myself.

Perhaps you should set it so that if a slot is claimed by a player, and somebody overwrites it, the player who is overwritten is either notified, or the slot becomes anonymous again. Either way, then the player in question is warned.

Alternatively, you can implement my web-based game start idea, which will also allow us to crack down on AWOLers by blacklisting them on detection and banning them from future games.

[ May 12, 2004, 22:44: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Zapmeister]

Alternatively, you can implement my web-based game start idea, which will also allow us to crack down on AWOLers by blacklisting them on detection and banning them from future games.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Speaking of AWOLers, we appear to have 3 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
Abysia, Atlantis and Jotunheim have all had more than 18 hours to play, but there's no sign of them.

[Norfleet]

Well, I know IKerensky is in the game. Takes more than one missed turn, on 18h hosting, to be AWOL.

I have no idea who "Barog" is, and Abysia is most likely AWOL from turn 1, since he has no identified player.

[Zapmeister]

Abysia is Cohen, who has been fairly active on the forum in the past. He was also the Last player to join, so I'd be surprised if he has vanished so quickly.

[Norfleet]

Cohen has been missing in action for awhile now. He used to be a channel regular, but hasn't been seen in a week. At the moment, he is missing and presumed dead.

[Zapmeister]

but hasn't been seen in a week<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hmm. His Last post in this thread is dated two days ago.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
Hmm. His Last post in this thread is dated two days ago. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That would strongly suggest that foul play is involved, as clearly the person who murdered him has appointed an impostor to slowly phase him out so we believe nothing is wrong.

[Cheezeninja]

as of my posting abysia, atlantis, and jotunheim have 15 minutes or they stale.

[Zapmeister]

as of my posting abysia, atlantis, and jotunheim have 15 minutes or they stale.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thanks. Unless they post here to the contrary, I will assume they did stale. Any of them that stale again this turn will be moved to computer control.

[Norfleet]

Even with the master password set, it's impossible to bot them if they are passworded: The master password is currently not usable from remote clients.

[Zapmeister]

Even with the master password set, it's impossible to bot them if they are passworded: The master password is currently not usable from remote clients.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hmm, I didn't know that. So why did Esben create an input that allows a master password to be set? If what you say is true, he is the only person that could use it.

Perhaps we could impose on him to bot our AWOLers.

[Norfleet]

He created the input based on popular demand, and finished it before noticing my point that it didn't work remotely. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

As for imposing on Mose to do it for you, that's not really possible either: Mosehansen's server is a Linux box with no ability to load the game graphically: As such, he cannot operate the game remotely, except through an extremely bothersome procedure of downloading the game to a properly equipped box, making the necessary changes, and then reuploading it back. Probably a bit too bothersome to expect of him.

[Zapmeister]

As for imposing on Mose to do it for you, that's not really possible either<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, dammit. I thought I was going to be able to bot AWOLers, but apparently I can't. Looks like it's 18 hours per turn until we kill them. Grrrr http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

[Esben Mose Hansen]

This should be fixed on the next patch, so we could get lucky. Actually, the server [b]is[b] capable of graphics, but it does not have a monitor :)Dominions2 will not load unless you have the graphics (X) server installed, even if you intend never to use it. But it is unconfigured, and starting it would probably kill the poor thing under it's current load.

As for stop->trans->make computer controlled->trans->restart, that just might work. But it is,,as you say, quite bothersome. Worse, it sounds risky. I might do it anyhow, since the 18-hours schedule is a bit sad...

Why does every game have at least one AWOL? :'-(

[Esben Mose Hansen]

This should be fixed on the next patch, so we could get lucky. Actually, the server [b]is[b] capable of graphics, but it does not have a monitor :)Dominions2 will not load unless you have the graphics (X) server installed, even if you intend never to use it. But it is unconfigured, and starting it would probably kill the poor thing under it's current load.

As for stop->trans->make computer controlled->trans->restart, that just might work. But it is,,as you say, quite bothersome. Worse, it sounds risky. I might do it anyhow, since the 18-hours schedule is a bit sad...

Why does every game have at least one AWOL? :'-(

[Zapmeister]

Why does every game have at least one AWOL?<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think it's either a fundamental property of the Universe (like Maxwell's equations and the inverse-square law for action at a distance) or God's retribution for our disbelief in His existence. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Why does every game have at least one AWOL?<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think it's either a fundamental property of the Universe (like Maxwell's equations and the inverse-square law for action at a distance) or God's retribution for our disbelief in His existence. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, I think it has more to do with the fact 90% of the Internet population consists of smacktards. You should consider yourself fortunate that Dominions II is such an elitist game and as such, you expect only a few AWOLers! If this were any other game, you could expect at least half the players to be AWOL!

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Why does every game have at least one AWOL?<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think it's either a fundamental property of the Universe (like Maxwell's equations and the inverse-square law for action at a distance) or God's retribution for our disbelief in His existence. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, I think it has more to do with the fact 90% of the Internet population consists of smacktards. You should consider yourself fortunate that Dominions II is such an elitist game and as such, you expect only a few AWOLers! If this were any other game, you could expect at least half the players to be AWOL!

[Maltrease]

I'm having troulbe connecting to this game. I log in as normal but Dominions locks up when showing the screen "Waiting for game info"

It actually happend to me on my main computer Last turn, but when I tried it from another computer I logged in fine.

Now both computer are having the same problem. I tried deleting the game and logging in again but that didn't help.

Anyone have any other ideas?

Thanks!

[Norfleet]

It seems to be intermittent at best. If this happens, kill Dom2, retry. This usually gets you in.

[Cohen]

Damn, the web page didn't get my signup and I staled 5 turns ... I try to play but I believe I'm too behind ...

[Maltrease]

Your right Norfleet. The 3rd try worked. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Thanks!

[Graeme Dice]

I've been totally unable to connect to this game for a couple of days now, and it looks like turns have been hosting since then. I'd appreciate it if there wa at least some warning given that I was going to stale my turns.

[odd_enuf]

i've been unable to connect also. If this many people have had these problems perhaps we should restart without the peopel who dropped.

odd_enuf

[Norfleet]

Man, this game is just regularly cursed, isn't it? Two or three failed starts, a crash, and now this.

[Norfleet]

dp

[ May 16, 2004, 20:24: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Norfleet]

tp

[ May 16, 2004, 20:23: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Cheezeninja]

Yeah, i thought i uploaded a turn Last night and today i find out i didnt.... but i still had just enough time to go stale by 1 minute. hooray.

[Zapmeister]

It seems to be intermittent at best. If this happens, kill Dom2, retry. This usually gets you in.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, this works for me too.
Ctl-Alt-Delete, End Task, Re-launch Dom2 invariably gets through for me.

[Maltrease]

Rather than restarting this game we created another one with the same setings. So if you are unhappy with your start you can switch to AI and join this game... or play both if you feel daring.

All the rules and settings are the same except for the hall of fate settings. I reduced the hall of fame from 15 down to 14, I thought this would give the game a vastly different feel and perhaps a luckier beggining.

The port is 2238. Please join and register on Mosehansen.

[Esben Mose Hansen]

I'm at work now, so I must be brief.

First I'm going to stale this turn; it's not because I'm not playing, just that I forgot to check yesterday evening. (Got to playing Neverwinter Night, and suddenly it was midnight)

Secondly, if you're willing to get an Jabber account, warning if about-to-stale is in the works. I'm thinking about a 2-hour warning.

Thirdly, even I have the problems with login (on a local network). I THINK the cause is the server pushing 430Mb swap, and thus needs a little time to bring the requested game into memory. Or it could be a bug. But since I'm having the problem on the internal network rules out firewalls and other connectivity problems.

Finally, if too many people (>40% or so) are AI or AWOL by now, I will go AI, too. I can play with the AI in a less inconvenient manner http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Not sure if I'll rejoin... Norfleet seems just a wee bit trigger happy with restarting this game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Esben Mose Hansen:
Finally, if too many people (>40% or so) are AI or AWOL by now, I will go AI, too. I can play with the AI in a less inconvenient manner http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Not sure if I'll rejoin... Norfleet seems just a wee bit trigger happy with restarting this game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Huh? I'm not involved in the restarting of the game at all. I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Huh? I'm not involved in the restarting of the game at all. I have no idea what you're talking about. [/QB]<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sorry, brain malfunction. Writing from work, wrote too quickly, too many edits, it went awry. Sorry to slander your name :-(

[Zapmeister]

Turn 7 just ran, and only 7 players submitted orders, which is absurd. This game is clearly defunct, so I'll stop it and return the slot.

Apologies to the 6 other people still playing - I suggest you move over to the other similar game that is starting. Maybe it won't suffer the same connection problems that have plagued this one.

[Maltrease]

Well someone started the new game I created... we had built all the way to three players.

Maybe this game is cursed...

Another one is up. Aptly named "Orania - Do not start"

Same rules, same settings as the orginal.
Port 2260

Actually I increaded the turn time to 24 hours. Hopefully that will make it easier for people

[ May 17, 2004, 15:09: Message edited by: Maltrease ]

[odd_enuf]

i'll join the new one then, go ahead and bot me on the old, i've had bad luck, i don't have a pw.

odd_enuf

[Zapmeister]

Well someone started the new game I created<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This happened twice when Orania_Quick was filling. If it happens again to you, I suggest not advertising the port number here on the Shrapnel forum.

If you make people go to the mosehansen server to discover the port number, you may get fewer non-serious signups (which includes people inclined to click the Start Game button)

[Esben Mose Hansen]

I have just created a solution for this. Check the news on the welcome page on the server. Basically, you just enable the "Disallow clients to start game" option; and then disables it when you wish to start the game.

[Maltrease]

Nice job!

[sergex]

um, the latest Version of the game on Mose doesn't mention any special rules. Are we still banning VQ and limiting clams?

[Maltrease]

Yes. All the game settings and rules are the same.

[mivayan]

Are all slots still full, or has all the restarts caused some nations to be open? I'd like pangea the person playing it is no longer around.

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Originally posted by mivayan:
Are all slots still full, or has all the restarts caused some nations to be open? I'd like pangea the person playing it is no longer around. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">"That person" being me, I say take it. Enjoy! It does not appear to be taken, in any case :-)

[Zapmeister]

I'm the 10th entry (R'lyeh)

[mivayan]

Originally posted by Esben Mose Hansen:
"That person" being me, I say take it. Enjoy! It does not appear to be taken, in any case :-)<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thanks, I am now pangea.

[ May 19, 2004, 14:43: Message edited by: mivayan ]

[Tuidjy]

I took Caelum, but I cannot remember what
pretender I used. I am still experimenting with
different pretenderw, and I am afraid I might have
entered something as crazy as a freak father, or
even a vampire queen, thinking that I will change
it later. Can you please boot the annonymous
players, so I can download my real pretender for
this game.

Petar

[Maltrease]

It is done.

Ermor will need to upload his pretender again and register on the server.

I guess we should open the game up to anyone now. There are still 5 or 6 slots available.

How long do you want me to wait before starting the game? I was thinking of starting it on Saturday morning with a 48 hour host time, and then switch it to 24 after the first turn.

[Cheezeninja]

ermor is uploaded... saturday sounds good to me.

[Maltrease]

Can you register on the server? That way if I need to kick off the anonymous players again your pretender will remain.

[Maltrease]

Just another reminder. The game will start Saturday morning with a 48 hour host time. After that I will switch it to a 24 hour host time.

There are still a few slots open if anyone else wants to join.

Only rules are no VQ and your total number of clams must be less than the turn number divided by 2.

[Cheezeninja]

done

[Maltrease]

The game has begun.

Good luck to all!

[Zapmeister]

Turn 1 has hosted with one AWOL (Pangaea)
Abysia is still anonymous on the mosehansen server.

Two points of interest. According to the mosehansen page (I'm not with a copy of Dominions so I can't check there):

1) There is only 9 minutes until the next turn; and
2) Abysia has taken his turn already (now an AI?)

EDIT: The hosting time just reverted to 1440 minutes

[ May 24, 2004, 03:58: Message edited by: Zapmeister ]

[Maltrease]

Man... you must have been checking that often.

I wasn't sure how the host time would be updated. When I first set it to 24 hours it reset the time, so we would have had to wait another day (or when Pangea took their turn). So I set it to 10 minutes to advance the turn, and then back to 24.

All should be good now.

[Maltrease]

Pangea is AWOL again. They are passworded so I can't set them to AI.

Sadly Abysia is AI now...

Otherwise it looks like all is good.

Feel free to offer tribute to Pythium... they are the COOLEST nation... that starts with a P... that has played their turn.

[Maltrease]

I will try to host the game when everyone but Pangea has entered their turns.

I will change the host time to 15 minutes, wait for it update, and then set it back to 24 hours.

[Maltrease]

Given the recent oddities concerning turn submissions in other games I am going to leave Orania alone (instead of forcing the hosting).

If you guys still want me to force host the game let me know, otherwise I will leave it alone and hope that we don't experience any of the problems that other games are having.

[Maltrease]

The monologue continues...

I did get a couple of in game request to continue the force hosting. Hopefully we don't run into any problems.

[Maltrease]

For some reason the game has been stopped. I try to restart it, and I get a message saying it has been restarted.

Then when I check the status it is still not running. I'm not sure what to do at this point.

[Norfleet]

I would surmise that somebody has uploaded a 2h in the new patch, while the Mosehansen server has not patched. Thus, The System Is Down.

That, or something is broken.

[Maltrease]

I think you are probably right about that. You can even look at the stopped games to see the Last person connected. Which was most likely the person who uploaded the turn.

If this isn't the case then please post to let us know, as that will help debug the problem.

ie.

If you have not applied the patch and are still shown as the connected person on the game detail screen on the stopped games then please inform us.

[ June 07, 2004, 20:31: Message edited by: Maltrease ]

[Maltrease]

I'm taking the game up to 2.12

Make sure you apply the patch and resubmit your turns.

[Maltrease]

Just an update. I can no longer force host the turns. When ever the game is stopped and restarted all submitted turns are lost.

I've tried yet again to use the master password on Pangea but it still doesn't work. My guess is that the game must be orginally created under the new 2.12 patch for it to work.

The best bet to speed up the game at this point is to take out Pangea. They won't have anything other than their starting troops at this point. I'm sure someone must have run into them.

Like most evil gods they are bad, so they should be destroyed ASAP.

[mivayan]

I am terribly sorry for going AWOL. My dsl modem died the day after I joined the game, I have been without net connection since. I sent my pass to maltrease, hope I wont inconvenience you more.