MP Game - Omfg another mp game!

[PrinzMegaherz]

Hi guys!

I would like to host another pbem game as my first one seems not to Last much longer.

So far, Caelum and Man are taken, if you are interested in a fun game, are noob or at least not too experienced, feel free to post here which nation you want to take and send me your pretender (pretendergod@yahoo.de).

Settings:
Indy 7, 45 Sites, rest standard.

Map depends on the number of players.

I will do 1 turn every 2 days, earlier if possible.

[ June 01, 2004, 16:57: Message edited by: Zen ]

[Inigo Montoya]

I would like to play in this game.

This would be my first MP game.

I'd like Vanheim.

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[Rainbow]

I would like to join this game as Tien Chi.

/Rainbow

[JJ_Colorado]

Hi PrinzMegaherz,

I'd like to join as Abysia. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Thanks,
John

[mnoracle]

I'd like to take Ulm, if you don't mind http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[CUnknown]

Hi,

I'd like to join as Ulm.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by CUnknown:
I'd like to join as Ulm. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Didn't mnoracle just take Ulm in the post right below yours?

[Arkas]

Hiya

I would like to play Marignon.

[CUnknown]

Whoops!

Sorry, okay, I'll be Arcosephale.

[JJ_Colorado]

PrinzMegaherz - any house rules for this game? Any pretender limits, etc?

Thanks,
John

[quantum_mechani]

I'll take Jotunhiem.

EDIT: The other PBEM dosn't seem near wrapping up to me, the map seem fairly evenly divided.

[ June 02, 2004, 03:39: Message edited by: quantum_mechani ]

[Tuna-Fish]

I'd like to play as C'tis.

[Blofeld]

Hello,

I'd like to take Pangea, if there're open slots left

Blofeld

[Inigo Montoya]

I was under the impression this was a noobie game. Is that correct?

If so, is Tuna a newb? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Tuna-Fish]

Well, no I'm not. But who said it's a noobie game? If the level of the game is not at least moderate, then write me off... I just have lots of free time now and signed in to the first game I found http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[quantum_mechani]

Originally posted by Tuna-Fish:
Well, no I'm not. But who said it's a noobie game? If the level of the game is not at least moderate, then write me off... I just have lots of free time now and signed in to the first game I found http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The same probably goes for me, it's up to the host what skill level of players they want.

[PrinzMegaherz]

There are no house rules.

VQs and Clams are allowed, as long as you dont powergame with them.

Skill Level on a scale from 0 noob to 10 Expert should be 0 - 5. I consider myself a 3.

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally posted by PrinzMegaherz:

So far, Caelum and Man are taken, if you are interested in a fun game, are noob or at least not too experienced, feel free to post here which nation you want to take and send me your pretender (pretendergod@yahoo.de).
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The clause, "...if you are interested in a fun game, are noob or at least not too experienced, feel free to post..." made me think this was a game for noobs.

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[Tuna-Fish]

Apparently, I need to learn to read. After Inigo's first post on the subject I re-read the post and STILL failed to pick that up. GAH. At least I have the excuse that I was very tired both times i posted http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Anyway, that means I'm out.

[Arkas]

Ok, i am going to show my noobness here.

What are VQ's and Clams?

[Tuna-Fish]

VQ, Vampire Queen, is a pretender chassis that is severely overpowered in the game as it is. It will be nerfed in the next patch.

Clams, or a water-2 miscellaneus item Clam of Pearls (construction 2 or 4, cant remember) that produces one astral gem every turn if it is in the possession of a commander. Nations with enough water mages can use these to quickly create huge gem incomes. As the more gems they get, the faster they can increase production having 200 astral gems by turn from clams in the endgame is nothing spectacular.

[JJ_Colorado]

Wow, tuna's explanation of clamming is shocking. 200 per turn is keeerazy income.

Prinz Megaherz - I think you should set an exact rule on VQ's and on clams. Just saying "don't overpower the game" leaves it really too open. If I take a VQ and beat someone in a couple of battles am I overpowering the game? If I build 30 clams am I overpowering the game? It should probably be something like:
1) no more than 10 clams owned by each country
2) no VQ's

Or something like that, or else anything goes in which case I'm taking a VQ and clamming. LOL.

John

[mnoracle]

Originally posted by JJ_Colorado:

1) no more than 10 clams owned by each country
2) no VQ's

Or something like that, or else anything goes in which case I'm taking a VQ and clamming. LOL.
John <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">From my point of view it's skill that decides outcome, not VQ or Clams. I have to admit I taked VQ but for Ulm this is thematic. But if you like, JJ_Colorado, i can change race to something different, for example Mictlan, do not castle, do not clam hoard, and i'll try to beat you even if you will use all this tricky techinques.
My point is that there is no definitly winning tactis unless you play versus seasoned vets, in this case almost all your tactics will be bad http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[PrinzMegaherz]

I dont mind a vampire queen with strong blood and death magic, as you could expect from a vampire. I dont want VQ with other paths. That should solve the problem and make balanced enough to be played with.

Regarding Clam hoarding, I have no way of controlling how many clams are owned by each player. I have not experienced clam hoarding myself, so I am not sure whether it is as abusive as some people here mention or not. I am sure however, that using this strategy successfully needs a somewhat experienced player, and this is a low experience game, so those two things should exclude each other.

[JJ_Colorado]

Ok, so it sounds like we have only one house rule:

1) If you take a VQ she must have only blood and death to start.

I'm assuming that we can "empower" other paths once we get going.

Oh, btw, mnoracle - I'm not claiming that any strategy that I (I'm not very good) use is unbeatable, just that it gives a big advantage. It sounds to me like clamming and a VQ is a big advantage. Limiting a VQ's starting paths to blood and death should help. Hopefully only newbies in this game and as a newbie I think those are good strong strategies.

John

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally posted by Tuna-Fish:
...I was very tired both times i posted http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Anyway, that means I'm out. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No worries, mate!

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[CUnknown]

So, how many clams are we allowed to have? I agree that you shouldn't just say "don't abuse them", let's at least have a vague boundary of how many is too many. Maybe somewhere around 20 is too many? Definately not 50 or more, right?

[Norfleet]

I'd say a good rule for defining the line between "hoarding" clams and "disposing of useless water gems" is when you are producing more than one clam through alchemized gems per turn. For instance, with a water gem income of 12, a production run of 1-2 clams per turn is "non-hoarding".

[mnoracle]

Originally posted by PrinzMegaherz:
I dont mind a vampire queen with strong blood and death magic, as you could expect from a vampire. I dont want VQ with other paths. That should solve the problem and make balanced enough to be played with.

Regarding Clam hoarding, I have no way of controlling how many clams are owned by each player. I have not experienced clam hoarding myself, so I am not sure whether it is as abusive as some people here mention or not. I am sure however, that using this strategy successfully needs a somewhat experienced player, and this is a low experience game, so those two things should exclude each other. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is not clever limitation. It'll be my 3rd MP game. So i'm newb in this sense. But i'm sure that on crowded map, no one will start clam hoard. It's only possible when you have time, and if you don't all this is pointless.
Now back to VQ, it's not that much fun in taking only blood and death, since you don't need a lot of this knoowledge. Let's suppose i would like to create Super Combatant. Then i'll take Ghost King and we'll see exactly the same issue. I honestly do not understand why GK should be different?
I think it's highly counter-productive to limit something, how else you could learn how to beat some strategy other that try to do it in real MP game?

to JJ: there are a lot of strategies that will give advantages to the player. And that's the whole point of choosing correct one.
As for clam hoarding, in normal magical richness, it's hard to create enough clams. At least at the start. And if map is crowded, i.e. no sleeping periods. You just won't have a chanse to hoard, because you'll have to spend your gems on more urgent needs!
As for VQ there is a some abuse potential, but this is related to any other SC! And as undead VQ is relatively easy to counter.

[ June 04, 2004, 07:26: Message edited by: mnoracle ]

[PrinzMegaherz]

Send me your pretender then

[Mark the Merciful]

Originally posted by PrinzMegaherz:
I am going to start this game tomorrow evening (should be aroung 19:00 Central European Time)... <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Is it too late to join you? I'm so noob, my CD only arrived today, and I'd like to try mp as soon as possible.

And I'd like to be Ermor. Pretender will be sent in the next hour or so.

Mark

[PrinzMegaherz]

I somehow doubt that you are a new player, but if you think this is the right game for you, just send him.



By the way, I think we are to many for desert eye, so I would like to play Kingdom of Karan.

Any other suggestions?

[ June 04, 2004, 22:32: Message edited by: PrinzMegaherz ]

[Mark the Merciful]

Originally posted by PrinzMegaherz:
I somehow doubt that you are a new player, but if you think this is the right game for you, just send him.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Er, why?

I've been playing the demo for around a week, and - as I said - only received the full game CD today. What's the problem here?

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally posted by PrinzMegaherz:
By the way, I think we are to many for desert eye, so I would like to play Kingdom of Karan.

Any other suggestions? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Karan sounds good to me.

Do you want to come up with a name for our game or are we "OMFG"? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[JJ_Colorado]

Karan sounds good, but let's start b4 we get any bigger. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

John

[PrinzMegaherz]

I am going to start this game tomorrow evening (should be aroung 19:00 Central European Time)

So far we got:

Man - Me
Caelum - Simon
Abysia - John
Vanheim - Peter
Marignon - Robert
Arco - Chris
Mictlan - Oracle
Pangaea - Blofeld

Map will be Desert Eye

Final word on house rules:
Thats how we do it:

VQ: Blood, Death + 1 additional path.
Clams: I dont want to see 2 clams given to one commander. You are allowed to give one clam to each commander.

Settings as stated before:
Indy 7, 45 Sites, rest normal.

I will enable the master password in case someone drops.

[ June 04, 2004, 12:51: Message edited by: PrinzMegaherz ]

[Rainbow]

Third post in this thread, I asked if I could participate as Tien Chi. Did the post get overlooked or simply ignored?

/Rainbow

[PrinzMegaherz]

Game is launched.
In case you did not get a mail contact me.

[Mark the Merciful]

Does anybody know what the status of this game is? Has Prinz gone on holiday yet?

The Last e-mail I saw only contained four turn files, none of them mine. So I'm at a bit of a loss as to what's happening next...

Mark the Confused of Ermor

[JJ_Colorado]

Prinz is on holiday. He sent out 4 .trn files from another game (that's on turn 89) to our mailing list by accident before he left. Ignore those 4 .trn files. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

John

[Mark the Merciful]

Thanks!

Mark the slightly less confused (but just as dead) of Ermor