MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Aku:
Tannath I am not sure if you staled by accident or because you felt there was nothing to do in your turn but at least log into your Last turn so you can read my in game message. The in game message I hope you get the turn that is up now because if it is not there then it was on the turn prior that staled. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Tannath is AWOL in other games as well. Something may have happened to him.

[Aku]

Well he is elimated anyway because when he staled it was when I was seiging his Last province and he had no more troops.

[Boron]

hm drool seems to stale here now too .
8 hours left only drool needs to do his turn

[Pickles]

" hm drool seems to stale here now too .
8 hours left only drool needs to do his turn"


no he did at least one turn yesterday - odd behaviour

Pickles

[Pickles]

" hm drool seems to stale here now too .
8 hours left only drool needs to do his turn"


no he did at least one turn yesterday - odd behaviour

Pickles

[Aku]

it hosted to turn 43...drool staled

[Tannath]

Sorry for the missed turns. I really could not play those turns. Anyway, and as Aku said, I was completely defeated.

Good game Aku, for my little experience I didn't thought it was possible for Mictlan beat Abysia so early in the game when you don't have yet access to powerful summons. Maybe I underestimated Mictlan... or maybe it was just your good strategy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Good game to everybody.

[Aku]

Good game Tannath. And yeah if you did have control of your turns you wouldnt have been able to do anything while under siege and no mages to summon troops =[.

But basically I put spies in all your provinces so I could take advantage of my flying 3 strat movement of my demons to hit all your weak areas and then pop the tax rate to 200% because I would leave it. At the same time I kept summoning more demons and got my pretender geared up with items. Then when I had double your troops I went for the intercept of your armies.

The war was inevitable anyway because I basically had to expand your direction and you to mine unless you wanted to fight jotum or ulm. Also the war was a good learning experience because I know that mercs suck against players, it is not as easy to predict what province you will move to like the AI, and that spies are very important.

[Klatu]

[ August 03, 2004, 15:01: Message edited by: Klatu ]

[Klatu]

What's the deal with Drool? I am enjoying this game, but his apparent disregard for our game is irritating. (Besides constantly having to wait for him.) He just abandoned another game, without any word. Several people have tried to contact him with no reply. I do hope nothing bad has happened to him, but how long do we put up with this?

I am a real newbie here, is this common and i'm just being a *****? If I am I apologize.

[Aku]

Well its going to force host in 3 hours and wonder if drool is going to stale.

If something happened to his internet or his computer or something then its ok but if he comes back is like oh I just didnt feel like doing my turns then there is a problem.

Or if he went away or something that could be a possibility. But from my understanding if people leave for a week or something they get someone to sub for them for a week.

If he wasnt staling and just doing his turns like the Last hour before it hosts then we couldnt ***** but he is staling in at least two games that we know of and probably more games that we do not, so i say we can ***** all we want.

In our 2nd game it looked like he just ignored it but for this one I have no clue...maybe he will be back soon I hope.

[Pickles]

Hi all
I am getting pretty impatient to do my turns too. I think Drool staled 2 of the Last 3 & looks like doing so again. I reckon we should switch him to AI if we do not hear from him by this time tomorrow if not sooner. He looks pretty doomed based on the current alliances.

I had some correspondence with him & he seemed pretty fed up, though I may be reading how I would feel in his position into it. I got the impression he did not like the diplomacy aspects but he could maybe tell us more. We had a very good relationship in one game (well he gave me all his stuff as he got squished).

It's a tricky business innit?

Oh & gg Tannath & please PM me re Blah blah blah!

Pickles

[Aku]

omg drool is browsing the forums!!!

lets see if he does his turn in time before it hosts

going to send him a pm

[Klatu]

I appreciate your response Pickles and I agree if he elaborated on what was wrong for him, we might have all learned something.

I know I can't accomadate someone else's objections if i don't know about them. This way (ignoring the game or dragging his feet) only tells me he is a petty little player and not worth the concern.

[Aku]

Drool is no longer browsing the forums and did not read my pms...

The server is counting down the Last 60 minutes before it hosts and to put another marker on drool's stale turns.

The only response I can give is WTF.

[Pickles]

Originally posted by Klatu:

"I appreciate your response Pickles and I agree if he elaborated on what was wrong for him, we might have all learned something."

Well he did not bother to and we now know he is not dead so I say we ask Norfleet to make him AI. Any dissenters?

"I know I can't accomadate someone else's objections if i don't know about them. This way (ignoring the game or dragging his feet) only tells me he is a petty little player and not worth the concern."

Harsh - I think we may all be a little impatient for more turns & while I do appreciate your pov, as I am desperate too, I think we did need to give him a chance - which we now have by my reckoning . How's that for sentence structure?

Pickles
edited spelling

[ August 03, 2004, 17:54: Message edited by: Pickles ]

[Aku]

I am for the AI suggestion too. I am fine with him going AI now but he should at least go AI tomorrow if he doesn't respond.

Going out to eat, will do my turn in an hour, along with my other games.

[Norfleet]

I have botted him. If he bothers to take his turn, the botting will be automatically rescinded, but otherwise, he has been botted.

Enjoy!

[Pickles]

Thanks Norfleet

Pickles

[Aku]

Ok I did my turn. It is hosted to turn 45 now.

Thanks Norfleet.

[Aku]

It hosted to turn 48!!!

[Aku]

It seems the four of us are pretty much around. Want to semi blitz today, like check often today to see if new turns are up? We have been banging them out good so far.

[Norfleet]

So who's winning?

[Aku]

Well with Drool(Ulm) disappearing without an explanation and going AI shifted things a lot since he was one of the major empires. Pickles(Jotum) seemed to get most of Ulm's lands but my spies have seen a massive invasion by Ermor onto Jotum's lands(at some points Ermor I think is only two provinces away now) and I am not sure if Jotum can win. I(Mictlan) have been rebuilding all the land I conquered from Abysia and am on the other side of Jotum. And Klatu(Man) I have no clue wtf he is doing, he is just in his corner of the world.

Basically too soon to say who is winning. Jotum may get crushed by Ermor or who knows maybe the same can happen like with me and Abysia who was at my capital and I pushed back and emerged the victor.

[Pickles]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
"So who's winning?"

Me

[Pickles]

"Me"

At least I think that is why all three of them plus AI Ulm attacked Last turn.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Pickles

Oh & sorry I stopped before you lot Last night
I was getting very tired & there were two fiddly games to play (& I still messed up Jotun this morning grrr)

[ August 05, 2004, 10:00: Message edited by: Pickles ]

[Aku]

It is ok Pickles. We did get a lot of turns done Last night.

Well Pickles you probably saw the gank coming on especially since you basically conquered all of Ulm's lands. 5 provinces alone of his was taken during the two stale turns and you are seiging his Last castles. So yeah you are the current superpower. Ermor invaded you and you are the only person I can attack so its like my only option to expand.

[Pickles]

Pickles Musings on the end game of this one.

Originally posted by Aku:

"Well Pickles you probably saw the gank coming on especially since you basically conquered all of Ulm's lands. 5 provinces alone of his was taken during the two stale turns and you are seiging his Last castles. So yeah you are the current superpower. Ermor invaded you and you are the only person I can attack so its like my only option to expand."

Victim of my own success & Boron's deciding me & him v the rest would be too easy (& bad for him as I was stronger. Mind as Man is merely a snack while Mictlan is crunchy who knows?

The stales had nothing to do with it (Well I suppose he got to definitely rather than possibly lose his army). He was in a very weak position not the vapmire wielding superpower we feared (that is me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ). I should have allied with him - but he was so weak he probably would not have helped (same as Caelum - you need to be strong to be of any value as an ally other wise you are just warm up for the big game.

I am now in the position that he was - everyone is against me. It is not much fun & is a problem with other games of this nature too (diplomacy etc) that I now refuse to play as board games.

Plus the guessing game of chasing armies around is also not very much fun - it is what I loathe about SP Of course in SP you are there from the start however you can learn to second guess the computer.

Anyway it is a learning experience (or I would have attacked Abysia on turn 7 or so)& I am learing about the horrible death disease things that you canot catch plus the variety of SCs and how you can defeat 300 undead & taks -2 casualties (except the stupid sages who stood at the front - should have stayed in the lab guys)

Hmm still bashing stuff is fun if you ever catch it.

Anyway it is interesting. I think Man is dead Last & Ermor probably has the edge over Mictlan so you may yet have to realign - Ermor could gobble up Man then Mictlan if the war with me is even.

Thrym for a little while longer

[Aku]

Well one thing for Ermor to get to me he has to go through you Pickles lol. Yeah he could probably gobble up Man but who knows also. I just recovered completely from my Last war and basically just harrassing your borders while you are distracted by Ermor.

But anything can go anywhere I think. I believe this is going to be an incredibly long war. Also whoever invades me is going to take a lot of time because you guys probably know from your spies(I know you have spies in my land Pickles) that I have ALL my provinces castled.

It is going to probably turn out in a 3 way(Mictlan, Jotum, Ermor) with reestablished borders and maybe Man will get some power later on and join in lol.

I suppose we just have to wait and see what happens.

[Boron]

yeah you unfortunately right guessed my main raiding army hehe .

and your vampires are fearsome opponents for my poor undeads pickles http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

i think this will become a long war . you should not try to catch my other raiding army but march on mictlan with it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

the diseasethingy is my harvester trying to weaken you a bit for the final battle http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
so the desease doesnt come out of nothing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Aku]

Well Pickles may feel that invading me may be a hassle because of my castling and I am just raiding the border not really invading. Also invading into my incredibly strong dominion wouldnt be a good idea for several reasons.

Send your forces and march on Man lol.

[Boron]

Originally posted by Aku:
Well Pickles may feel that invading me may be a hassle because of my castling and I am just raiding the border not really invading. Also invading into my incredibly strong dominion wouldnt be a good idea for several reasons.

Send your forces and march on Man lol. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">yeah thats a good solution http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

but don't believe the false pretender god of mictlan http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif he only has watchtowers they fall soon while my ermorian citadels can hold out much much longer http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
march on mictlan http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif he is the biggest threat you already have stopped one of my 2 main invading armies and the other one is fleeing from your sc horde http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Pickles]

a"nd your vampires are fearsome opponents for my poor undeads pickles http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif "

Yeah they rocked in that the time they actualy cought you. I guessed right before but cancelled the order by accident hence my dead Niefel lords

"i think this will become a long war . you should not try to catch my other raiding army but march on mictlan with it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif "


Ok I will do that. It will not be a long war wiht the current alliances but there will never be peace again

I was considering proposing a truce to get rid of Ulm but you did that already!

"the disease thingy is my harvester trying to weaken you a bit for the final battle http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
so the desease doesnt come out of nothing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif "

Well I finally figured that out. They are really nasty - epecially now your provinces are next to my borders so they can retreat & not die. I think the final battle will be when you crush Mictlan though - My dominion is creaking.

Pickles

[Boron]

Originally posted by Pickles:

"the disease thingy is my harvester trying to weaken you a bit for the final battle http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
so the desease doesnt come out of nothing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif "

Well I finally figured that out. They are really nasty - epecially now your provinces are next to my borders so they can retreat & not die. I think the final battle will be when you crush Mictlan though - My dominion is creaking.

Pickles <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">or mictlans vampire horde owns me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[Boron]

damn mictlan has just become too strong grmml http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

really no clue how to defend against his dominionpush

[Aku]

Oh so I just went from 3rd most powerful to 1st in a matter of a few turns? lol

Yeah so attacking me is a bad idea. High dominion and overflowing into your provinces, castling, and a vampire horde just waiting to be provoked. If I get invaded I will launch them forward into your territories with my dominion. All I am doing right now is making new borders. Which you can probably figure out because its making a nice line that includes the southern peninsula. And Pickles it wasnt nice in that message to consider my first attack a joke.

[Pickles]

[QB] Oh so I just went from 3rd most powerful to 1st in a matter of a few turns? lol

That's what happens if you are left alon


"Yeah so attacking me is a bad idea. High dominion and overflowing into your provinces, castling, and a vampire horde just waiting to be provoked. If I get invaded I will launch them forward into your territories with my dominion. All I am doing right now is making new borders. Which you can probably figure out because its making a nice line that includes the southern peninsula."

Ok we will just roll over & let you take it then


" And Pickles it wasnt nice in that message to consider my first attack a joke."

But it was nice to attack in the first place?

Pickles

[Aku]

I have been at war since early game. The nations left alone the most was you(jotum) and ermor. Yeah I know I wont take the southern peninsula freely. And attacking you in the first place was out of necessity.

We just have to see how all of this plays out.

[Boron]

Originally posted by Aku:
I have been at war since early game. The nations left alone the most was you(jotum) and ermor. Yeah I know I wont take the southern peninsula freely. And attacking you in the first place was out of necessity.

We just have to see how all of this plays out. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">hm dominionpush per sacrifice + vampire hordes are really evil http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
unfortunately you are not the worst clamhorder too but a top 5 nation for that ^^.

[Pickles]

"I have been at war since early game. The nations left alone the most was you(jotum) and ermor."

You are probably right I did fight Caelum but that was feeble.
Anyway you did not really go from Last to first I just completely misread the position & I am still not at all sure what is going on especially after this turns battles.

Pickles

[ August 06, 2004, 07:04: Message edited by: Pickles ]

[Aku]

Ok I did my turn so it hosted. I woke up late lol.

Bleh it looks like you killed my soldiers from the Abysia war lol. Time to send in the new blood.

[Pickles]

Klatu went AI - I suppose he told Aku?

Of course he straight away attacked me
Of course has cannot beat me but i still annoying
I just looked at my dominion & think I will not be here very much longer at all

Ho Humm

Pickles

[Aku]

I just got home. I didnt know he went AI. And he hasnt left me a message.

If he did it by accident is there anyway he can get control back?

[ August 06, 2004, 22:07: Message edited by: Aku ]

[Boron]

can you turn yourself to ai ?
hmmm very strange why didn't you tell anybody that you go ai klatu ?

[Aku]

Yeah if you hit escape you can click to go AI. I never tried it. Maybe he clicked it by accident but I would assume it would ask again if you are sure to go AI. Too lazy to go into sp game to try it out.

[Aku]

With Klatu(Man) going AI(hopefully I can find out why later) I say we just turn this into a butcher field with everyone butchering everybody. With Man being AI they wont be peaceful like they were before so we may as well just start the butchering now.

I am at war with Pickles right now and Boron is coming for me now also and the AI will attack everybody. Pickles and Boron if the two of you are teaming up it is fine by me, I will take on the both of you. The AI will distract the two of you a bit as well since he only borders you two.

See ya in game.

[Klatu]

The descision to go AI was complicated.
1. I thought you guys were going to be at it all day Fri & Sat and I knew I had many things to do Fri & Sat. I thought it wouldn't tie you down.
2. From everything I read and heard, I was kinda discounted anyway and would have been nothing more than a spoiler. (not much fun in that).
3. You guys were looking for a knock down fight, so I figured i'd make it interesting for you. The AI would be "unpredictable" as compared to me and even maybe play better than I.

Only bad thing is I now can't see what happens. OH Well. May the best Nation win. Klatu

[Pickles]

Originally posted by Klatu:

"1. I thought you guys were going to be at it all day Fri & Sat and I knew I had many things to do Fri & Sat. I thought it wouldn't tie you down."

Thanks for the thought but you could have asked

"2. From everything I read and heard, I was kinda discounted anyway and would have been nothing more than a spoiler. (not much fun in that)."

Sorry about that - I discounted Aku a bit too &
now look at him. My efforts to talk Ermor into attacking you constantly failed so you mught have been able to rebuild/catch up.

"3. You guys were looking for a knock down fight, so I figured i'd make it interesting for you. The AI would be "unpredictable" as compared to me and even maybe play better than I."

Hmm it will attack us but will overextend & get beaten. If I wanted to play AIs I would play SP.

However if you are not having fun it is fair enough to quit. I attacked you this turn anyway to try to keep you honest & crossed with the AIs army coming in the other direction.

It would have been nice to have told us in advance though - we maybe could have got a sub (hmm) or tried to talk you out of it. But 'tis done now.

Despite my irritation with the position it is with the game (Dominion2 not newb1) rather than with you. So GL & hope you have not been put off cf Drool!

Pickles

[Pickles]

"Pickles and Boron if the two of you are teaming up it is fine by me, I will take on the both of you. "

That is only because we do no think we can beat you together - let alone individually!

"The AI will distract the two of you a bit as well since he only borders you two. "

Grr ai grrr


Pickles

[Klatu]

Hey All,

Wow. I never expected so much response to my turning AI!

I do apologize for not informing you in advance (a crazy two days for me and i was/am pulled in 32 directions). I also had no idea the AI was a problem. I really thought it would spice the game up for you all. Consider it a newbie's mistake.

It never occurrred to me about getting a sub.

I am not put out at all.

Again, apologies

[Pickles]

"I do apologize for not informing you in advance"

accepted

" Consider it a newbie's mistake."

NP

"It never occurrred to me about getting a sub."

That was not really a serious suggestion.

"I am not put out at all."

Good.

Actually it was a failure to recognise the game position. Someone should have tried to bring you into their alliance.
I had no idea that domninion push was so strong or that end game spells were so powerful & unpleasant.

I am now uncomfortable with my position as I cannot conceivably win so I am kingmaking between the other two which is unfortunate.
I am also attaking Aku atm as I can hurt him while Boron for all his protestations of earmoe weakness seems very hard to hurt.

Pickles

[Boron]

i respect your decision klatu but you had made a nice catchup i think http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
and it would have been a nice playfield for you too to try out scs etc. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

now aku dispelled my well of misery grrrrrrrrrrrr. and no way to stop his vampire hordes soon grmml http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

as pickles said we think even we 2 can't beat you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Norfleet]

I am leaving Dominions II indefinitely for reasons I will not reiterate. Since I am hosting your game, I complete this task, but I will not be present to receive any complaints or problems regarding people disappearing, or the server going down. Should the server go down, I will probably not notice, and will not be around to have this brought to my attention. In such a case, you will probably have to rule upon a winner based on who survived. If somebody wishes to take over hosting, he should inform me within a day or two, and I will tar.gz all the files and make them available for downloading.

Otherwise, I am gone. Best of luck to you all.

[Sheap]

I'll take over the hosting for this and other games Norfleet was running if no one who is already involved with the game is able/willing to handle it.

[Aku]

Thank you for notifying us Norfleet.

And Sheap we would be very thankful if you took over the hosting for us and thank you in advance.

[Norfleet]

I have tarred the game and placed it up for Sheap to download. He will inform you of the new hosting arrangements. Thanks for your cooperation.

[Aku]

No problem Norfleet. And thank you for having us on your server to begin with.

[Norfleet]

No problem. Like I said, I was willing to keep it up for you, but I just wanted to inform you that I wouldn't be around to troubleshoot problems with anything that approximated former promptness.

[Stormbinder]

Here is the reason for Norfleet's leaving.

http://69.56.133.54:81/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=UBB74&amp;Number=283376&amp;page=0 &amp;view=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=3

Enough said.

[Sheap]

I haven't time to put the new game up until later this evening, it will probably be 3-4 hours from now.

I'll post the server info then.

[Sheap]

Can someone tell a poor clueless sheap what map this game was being played on? And what the turn generation rule was? (Quickhost? 24h quickhost? 48h quickhost? ...)

I want to make sure I have it properly set up before I put the host information public.

[Sheap]

OK I went through the forum and decided on this:

server: benatar.snurgle.org (be sure of spelling if you can't connect at first)
Port: 2001
Settings: 24h quickhost

If it's wrong (or not working) someone let me know right away http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aku]

It works just fine and you got it right, its 24hr quickhost. Thank you.

[Aku]

Sheap thank you for hosting but you can kill this game. The way the game is going it is going to be a long drawn out stalemate and the three of us remaining in the game decided it is best to end it.

[Sheap]

Well, that was fast. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I'll shut the server down now, but I'll save the files for a few days in case you guys reconsider.

[Boron]

Well, that was fast. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I'll shut the server down now, but I'll save the files for a few days in case you guys reconsider.


thnx you can delete http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
we won't reconsider because aku + pickles gave me all their gems and we tried some wishes out .
so there is no sense in finishing it and we will never reconsider http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aku]

Well the game was suppose to be a learning experience(first mp game for all of us) and it certainly was. We estimated that the game will probably Last another 50+ turns of a crazy war of attrition going by who will Last the longest. All the land in the whole world is devastated with majority of the populations below 5k. The three of us talked and decided it would be best to call it a draw. Basically thats why we decided to end it.

[Aku]

Yeah I gave Boron 500 astral pearls to test some wishes out lol. And I ended so many turns without doing them that all my blood hunt mages probably cant collect anymore blood slaves lol. So no need to save the files. Thank you again Sheap for hosting for us.