MP Game - Faerun Folly

[Zapmeister]

Details at mosehansen (www.mosehansen.dk)

[ August 06, 2004, 16:31: Message edited by: Zen ]

[Daynarr]

Lol, whats with "no Norfleet" rule?

[Zapmeister]

Some time ago I had a major falling-out with Norfleet around the issue of ethical behaviour. As a result, I asked him not to join any games I organize. The comment is simply to advise players that they can expect Norfleet not to be in the game.

[archaeolept]

well, I've had my fill of games w/ Norfleet myself, for the time being at least, so I can't say I'm opposed to the house rule. If someone refuses to play a game w/out Norfleet, they don't have to join http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Cainehill]

Since Faerun isn't carried on the Illwinter site, what's the location people should download the map from?

( I have it myself - but want to ensure I've got the current Version; I'm guessing it's on Arryn's site or some such, but it might help other people to know. )

[Zapmeister]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
Since Faerun isn't carried on the Illwinter site, what's the location people should download the map from?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Good point. I thought I got it from Gandalf's site, but now I can't find it anywhere. Anyone?

[Reverend Zombie]

Gandalf's site.

Search forum for title "New Map Faerun"

[Zapmeister]

Originally posted by Reverend Zombie:
Gandalf's site.

Search forum for title "New Map Faerun" <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thanks. The URL is http://www.dom2minions.com/~tmpspace

[Soapyfrog]

I'd like to play C'tis please if you'll have me in your game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Zapmeister]

Originally posted by Soapyfrog:
I'd like to play C'tis please if you'll have me in your game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sure. Simply upload your pretender.

Don't forget to identify yourself in the game's page on the mosehansen server, though, as I'll be kicking players that are still anonymous when we start.

[Boron]

are newbie players allowed too ?
if yes i would like to participate and take ermor http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
i have to go to university in 5 minutes so i can't upload right now and will upload my pretender in the afternoon then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Mardagg]

Back and ready to play.
Joined as Ulm.

[Boron]

damn ermor is already taken.
i try abysia then

[Cohen]

I got Marignon ^^

I greet my future neighbours, Pythium, Vanheim, Abysya, and Atlantis ^^
IIRC the map has fixed started locations, and we're very near (from 2 to 4 provinces away iirc).

[Truper]

I'd just like to point out that this is not a game that anyone should join casually. Faerun has 424! provinces, so this will be a very long game, with a very large call on a player's time.

I've been looking for a new game myself, but I don't have a high enough tolerance for pain to play on Faerun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

It is the Trupinator 8600. His tolerance for pain is unmatched by pathetic humans!

[Mardagg]

Never played Faerun myself and after looking at it and the number of provinces,I have to say:
I am out.
Like Truper said,it takes too much time and especially with Quickhost on ,I wont be able to participate until the end.

Ulm is therefore open again.

[archaeolept]

what are the victory conditions on this monster? if it has a reasonable end-point, i'd be interested as the map itself seems very nice. OTOH, I seriously worry for the health of Mose's server - 424 provinces w/ 17 nations will start giving his poor celly a brain haemorrhage by the end.

provisionally, I uploaded Caelum, which I have never played before but all the other new nations that interest me have been taken. now, however, I'm feeling somewhat trepidatious.

[ July 06, 2004, 17:08: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

[Esben Mose Hansen]

The size of the map and number of players seem to have little or no bearing on the resources consumed. Strange but true http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[PvK]

Is Ulm still vacated (since Mardag left?) or is the Anonymous player holding the spot someone who already replaced him?

What's the hosting interval going to be?

No special victory conditions? Seems like a good map to fill with victory locations to focus the action a bit.

PvK

[ July 06, 2004, 21:41: Message edited by: PvK ]

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Truper:
I'd just like to point out that this is not a game that anyone should join casually. Faerun has 424! provinces, so this will be a very long game, with a very large call on a player's time.

I've been looking for a new game myself, but I don't have a high enough tolerance for pain to play on Faerun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeh, I was thinking about getting in myself - but 424 provinces on a 24 hour routine is a bit much, given that by mid-game turns might be taking two hours, every. (At least for the successful nations http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Two hours every two or three days, sure - the game might start off slow, but before long many people would be happy for the slow pace.

[Mardagg]

Originally posted by PvK:
Is Ulm still vacated (since Mardag left?) or is the Anonymous player holding the spot someone who already replaced him?


PvK <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Its still my Pretender there,just looked the hex numbers up(starting with 8b807 and ending with 2f4c67).
Feel free to overwrite it.

[ July 06, 2004, 22:44: Message edited by: Mardagg ]

[Norfleet]

This game will stress the tolerance for pain that anyone but me has beyond all reasonable limits.

Please note that even my favorite map, the World, has a mere 339 provinces. Faerun is a good deal larger. Plus that since Zapmeister doesn't want me in the game, not that I'd want to play listening to his endless whining anyway, somebody ELSE is going to be feeling this pain. Look over the player list: For every player you recognize, and think you can take, the pain you're going to suffer is going to grow.

[Zapmeister]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
I'd just like to point out that this is not a game that anyone should join casually. Faerun has 424! provinces, so this will be a very long game, with a very large call on a player's time.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'll probably take a vote on extending the timelimit once we get into the middlegame.

We currently have the required 15 registrations, but 2 are anonymous. We need 2 more identified players (or have the anonymous ones identify themselves) before we can start.

Note that it's OK to gazump an anonymous position, but not an identified one. Compare the MD5 value to the one you had when you joined to see if you've been gazumped.

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Zapmeister:

Note that it's OK to gazump an anonymous position, but not an identified one. Compare the MD5 value to the one you had when you joined to see if you've been gazumped. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I thought that Esben had changed things so that you couldn't overwrite someone else's pretender, because his server restores the original one. You have to kick anonymous players in order for someone to overwrite / update a nation's pretender, or to allow someone to take those positions that the people have decided not to play.

Edit: Just verified this by uploading a new Ulm, since that player bowed out. The md5 doesn't change, because the server is keeping the original pretender.

[ July 07, 2004, 00:13: Message edited by: Cainehill ]

[Zapmeister]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
I thought that Esben had changed things so that you couldn't overwrite someone else's pretender, because his server restores the original one.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oh, OK. Is it possible to kick anonymous players while keeping the game open for pretender uploads?

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Cainehill:
I thought that Esben had changed things so that you couldn't overwrite someone else's pretender, because his server restores the original one.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oh, OK. Is it possible to kick anonymous players while keeping the game open for pretender uploads? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeh - you kick anonymous, and it's supposed to restart the game. If need be, you kick anonymous, check the game to ensure the anons were booted, and manually restart the game.

[archaeolept]

yeah, its too crazy for my blood http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

kick my anonymous Caelum

[Zapmeister]

Ulm and Caelum are available again.
We need one more to start - I'll give it another 24 hours and start with 14 if no-one shows up.

[ July 07, 2004, 03:18: Message edited by: Zapmeister ]

[Zapmeister]

We have 15 players - Atlantis and Ulm are still available. The game will start approximately 18 hours from now.

[Daynarr]

In as Ulm.

[Reverend Zombie]

I took Pythium, but I guess that's obvious.

[Zapmeister]

Now the Wheel has turned once again.
The game has started with 16 players (missing Atlantis).
Good luck everyone!

[Soapyfrog]

Whats the status of this game? With Acro and Caelum out, and Vanheim on the rocks so to speak, do we continue or shall we do over?

[Zapmeister]

Arco and Caelum are out? Then they should be moved to AI. If the players don't have the courtesy to do it themselves, then I may be able to (but I'm not sure that remotely using the master password works yet).

Can someone confirm that Arco and Caelum are not coming back? What's the status of Vanheim?

[Soapyfrog]

See this thread for vanheim's situation (I don't know why he didnt simply post here):

http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=74;t=003238

Huzaurdaddi might be able to give some more info about Caelum as well.

[Zapmeister]

OK, I see. I absolutely don't want to restart, as I've been in this position before and I've found that restarting is the first step towards losing the game altogether.

So now I'm off to see if I can set Arco and Caelum to AI with the master password.

[Huzurdaddi]

OK, I see. I absolutely don't want to restart, as I've been in this position before and I've found that restarting is the first step towards losing the game altogether.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I totally understand. Well I'll give it a shot for a while. My pretender did cost me 496 points though. So he's kind of important.

I don't know how far I'll get without him. He was kind of central. I'm sure that if I had taken the allfather it would be cool to start on an island like this ( although you can't get your master smiths off the island either which is quite a pain -- and they are capital only. ).

If I play another game on this map, I won't take vanehiem, even though the setup is not without it's perks.

[Zapmeister]

I just knew it couldn't be that easy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I used the master password to set Arco to AI.
The turn ran, and I downloaded my own (R'lyeh) position, and guess what.

CD Key Violation. Your CD key is in use by another installation. The game thinks that Arco and R'lyeh are being played from the same CD.

If this doesn't correct itself next turn (when Arco is established as an AI) then I'm out of the game.

Sigh.

[Esben Mose Hansen]

That bug should be reported to Illwinter ASAP. Maybe it can be included for the next patch.

[Norfleet]

I think if it happens that two 2h files are uploaded from different IPs using the same CDkey, it will barf. Do you have a dynamic IP which changed, or move to a different computer between uploading a botted R'lyeh and pulling your Arco .trn?

[Zapmeister]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
I think if it happens that two 2h files are uploaded from different IPs using the same CDkey, it will barf. Do you have a dynamic IP which changed, or move to a different computer between uploading a botted R'lyeh and pulling your Arco .trn? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, it was all done from the same computer in the same session.

[Kristoffer O]

That shouldn't happen. Violation should only happen if the same key is used on two different machines (or different installs on the same machine, linux and windows for example). The AI itself don't use the keys.

Do you still have the files?

[ July 12, 2004, 11:02: Message edited by: Kristoffer O ]

[Zapmeister]

Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
That shouldn't happen. Violation should only happen if the same key is used on two different machines (or different installs on the same machine, linux and windows for example). The AI itself don't use the keys.

Do you still have the files? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Which files? The server is mosehansen's (game is Faerun Folly). I still have my .trn file in which the CD key violation is declared, but the .2h file contains my orders for the next turn.

EDIT: Note that Arco wasn't AI for this turn. This was the turn in which I clicked the "Become AI" button.

EDIT: I've just had a thought. I am in the habit of disconnecting if I'm not going to use the net for a while. I can't be sure I didn't disconnect between "playing" Arco and playing my own turn, possibly getting a different IP.

[ July 12, 2004, 11:34: Message edited by: Zapmeister ]

[atul]

I think I've encountered something similar to this. In MP one of the players lost his internet connection and gave me his password to set him AI. I played my nation's turn and set him computer. At the hosting time, our host told it had någoted until he had deleted the AIed nation's file. And I'm sure this was done with same IP.

So any chance there'd be a problem when setting a nation to computer play?

[Zapmeister]

It looks as though some folks may be struggling to meet the 24-hour deadline, so if at least 3 people post that they want it, I'll move it to 48-hour quickhost.

[Cohen]

I'd prefer 24H QH, however it doesn't matter much.
My Marignon will be soon crushed by the combined forces of Ermor and Pangea CW ...
They stripped from my hand the Pythium capitol earning so on a very good gem income.

[Daynarr]

Well, I had a stale turn so I guess I vote for 48 hours. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[Zapmeister]

I've just restarted the game, because it had started to hang on the "Waiting for game info" box. Restarting seems to have cleared the problem, but Ermor (Catquiet) and Pangaea (djtool) will have to upload their orders again (restarting clears any orders received for the current turn).

[Zapmeister]

The game has been restarted with a new turnaround of 48 hours with quickhost. All orders for the current turn uploaded before the restart will have been lost, so please check your turn.

[Huzurdaddi]

So how about going back to 24 hour turns? It seems that none of the big nations ( Ermor, Jotunheim and R'lyeh ) need the time.

[Zapmeister]

Yeah, I'd vote for that too. Abysia is using the extra day this turn, but I didn't go to 48 hours originally until I had 2 votes for it. So unless someone other than Abysia votes to stay at 48, I'll put it back to 24 hours.

[Zapmeister]

Hmm, deafening silence. OK, I'll put it back to 24 hours at the next opportunity, i.e. when it won't involve trashing lots of current orders.

[Cheezeninja]

I'd prefer to keep it the way it is myself... I'm not having any trouble making the deadline at the moment, but not much is really going on in my corner of the world except internal stabilization, eventually a war is bound to break out and make the turns alot more time-intensive.

If some people really want to keep it 24QH, well thats the way the game was set up, and i dont want to be the sour grape holding everyone else back.

[Zapmeister]

Cheezeninja said:
I'd prefer to keep it the way it is myself... I'm not having any trouble making the deadline at the moment, but not much is really going on in my corner of the world except internal stabilization, eventually a war is bound to break out and make the turns alot more time-intensive.

If some people really want to keep it 24QH, well thats the way the game was set up, and i dont want to be the sour grape holding everyone else back.



OK, I'll leave it how it is for at least another turn. It's only one vote, though, so unless someone else Posts a vote for 48 hours, I'll revert it to 24 hours later this week.

[Zapmeister]

I've just restored the turnaround to 24 hours and restarted the server.

[Cheezeninja]

It may be more work, but i sure do like the sense of actually having a kingdom that the larger maps give you.

[Zapmeister]

Catquiet (Ermor) is busy escaping from Hurricane Frances, so I've set the game to 7 days with quickhost. Best of luck Catquiet, if you're reading this.

[Cheezeninja]

and a good thing too, because i've imbibed way too much alcohol to submit a effective turn at this point. Peril of the occupation i guess. Good luck floridians!

[Soapyfrog]

I guess I'll bump this, as it seems we are looking for a replacement for Ryleh.

Looks like my little guerilla war took it's toll on his sanity. VICTORY!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Cheezeninja]

Hail fellow brother of the revolution! The mighty dominator of Faerun is...seeking a replacement.... it might be a bit early to declare unilateral victory... And then there's still Ermor with...who knows what...but alot of it.

[Huzurdaddi]

This game has taught me something.

Do not allow clams, fetishes, soul contracts or blood stones on that map. Egad.

This map *needs* a mod to play it in a sane fashion.

If I have to go through 300 scouts ever again to see who is dying this turn from the fever fetishes I will go insane.

I'm of half a mind to quit right now and declare CheezeNinja the winner. But I have all of this insane fire power and I guess I want to try it out some. But OY the turns take a LONG, LONG, LONG time to do.

[Huzurdaddi]

Although as I was telling SoapyFrog a little while ago after I finish going through the bizzilion scouts every turn I have so little energy I just hit end turn. I just do not have the energy to mount an offense.

HA!

[Cheezeninja]

Although I may never win a MP game because of it, I simply will not do that. I'm playing the game to have fun, so if I don't feel like micromanaging a turn, I don't. Declaring me victorious would be silly though, I'm Jotunheim, and while I'd like to think im still a contender, I'm surely not in the lead.

I've actually been having some fun mixing it up with R'lyeh Last couple of turns. He takes some provinces, I lose a complete army trying to storm his capital, he does the same with mine... It's good fun.

[Soapyfrog]

I agree. Hoarding is no fun at all...

I am having fun with my little guerilla war, dodging doom horrors. Wheee! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Huzurdaddi]

So ... anyone want to take over for me in this game? Anyone? Please? Someone? I know I am holding up the game since it takes me SO LONG to do my turns but I just can't stand it. It's insane. It takes me forever.

ARGH.

I'll try to do my turn tonight. Honestly. But no guarantees. This stuff is painful.

[Huzurdaddi]

So I'm asking again if anyone wants to take over for me.

You will taking over a nation with literally thousands of gems in the bank. Multiple casters who can cast wish. You are going to be fighting a nation with a couple of doom horrors but you can crush them at will.

You also have a bizillion clams. A bizillion fetishes. A bunch, perhaps even a load of blood stones. A well reinforced astral nexus, a well reinforced forge of the anicents, a well reinforced strands of astral power ( cast by a rainbow mage so you are getting all sites within your dominion ).

[Huzurdaddi]

I just went computer! Good luck to everyone that is remaining. I learnt a lot this game. I got to play with all of the high end toys. I got to snuff a doom horror. I was able to create a huge infrastructure. But in the end I realized that fever fetishes are just not worth the effort. The micro kills.

[Catquiet]

Maybe we should end this game and free up the server.

[Huzurdaddi]

Ok I was bluffing with the well reinforced arcane nexus ... but it would have been mine ( I think ) this turn if I had continued. Hey Ermor how many clams did you have? I did not really want to put too many astrals into it when I cast it at 1st for fear of dispelling my forge of the ancients. But now that it is up I suppose I can use any number of gems.

[Soapyfrog]

I guess ending the game now would be up to Jotun and Ermor. I am the only other human, and am totally not a factor...

[Catquiet]

Fate has provided us an opportunity. I challenge Jotunheim and C'tis to a winner-take-all steel cage Death Match.

[Soapyfrog]

Done! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif whens the next DM I wonder? Hope I am still alive!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Soapyfrog]

Alright my contender has been sent to the deathmatch.

Have at you!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Soapyfrog]

Well its dead and gone... everyone including myself has gone AI, and so the computer does battle with itself.

Time to stop it, I think http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Huzurdaddi]

Well good game by all! It was good fun.

I had a tremendously fun war with Matchaka. And I got to see some insanity from R'lyeh.

[Soapyfrog]

Yeah Ryleh was really... um... nasty.

Ouch! Teach me not to spam watchtowers and PD!!