Saber Cherry is alive and well [Archive]

Zapmeister

July 10th, 2004, 11:26 AM

Some time ago, Norfleet spread a rumour claiming Saber Cherry's death, saying:

I seem to recall hearing from somebody that Saber Cherry was killed in a gruesome accident during a fishing trip sometime in mid-April.
and

...it's reasonable to expect that something of this sort has undoubtedly occurred.
I wrote to SC, and after a long silence she replied with:

Sorry it took me a while to reply... I haven't checked this email address in several weeks. What a strange rumor! Hmm. No, I did not die in a fishing accident. Actually, I've been very busy developing my own little game=) Game development is harder than I thought. I've been actively avoiding Dominions II and game forums in general because once I start, I tend to lose several productive days, or weeks, before I realize what happened=) But thanks for bringing that to my attention!
Just thought I'd pass that on.

Nagot Gick Fel

July 10th, 2004, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
Some time ago, Norfleet spread a rumour claiming Saber Cherry's death, saying:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />
I seem to recall hearing from somebody that Saber Cherry was killed in a gruesome accident during a fishing trip sometime in mid-April.<hr /></blockquote>Heh, "Fish" and "April" in the same sentence - for a Frenchman at least, it's an obvious clue that the information is bogus. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

archaeolept

July 10th, 2004, 04:13 PM

if someone is not as perpetually on irc/the Boards/making turns in games as norfleet, he claims they have died in some gruesome manner. that's just one of the things he does, and should not be taken as a serious suggestion http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Vicious Love

July 10th, 2004, 04:46 PM

Actually, I've been very busy developing my own little game=) Sugoi!

Saber Cherry

July 10th, 2004, 11:00 PM

Hello everyone! When I learned of my death, I was going to post here to deny it (or maybe confirm it, but that would be a little shady). But the Boards were kinda down yesterday=) Anyway, it's so nice to feel loved! *sniff* =)

I posted a little screenshot (bottom link) (http://www.geocities.com/saber_marionette_cherry/) of my progress... to show that I'm not ignoring the Dominions community just to be mean:) Please don't make fun of my artwork; I'm doing my best!

Norfleet

July 11th, 2004, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by archaeolept:
if someone is not as perpetually on irc/the Boards/making turns in games as norfleet, he claims they have died in some gruesome manner. that's just one of the things he does, and should not be taken as a serious suggestion http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif No, that's just when I start suspecting you might have died. It approaches greater certainty when I hear independent rumors confirming your death.

It's nice to see that Saber Cherry is still alive, though. If he had more enemies, I'd have suspected this was some sort of trick, but since reports of his death never went beyond rumor status, meh.

PvK

July 11th, 2004, 05:16 AM

I'm really glad someone ressurrected Sabre Cherry, if only temporarily!

Good luck with the game project!

PvK

Daynarr

July 11th, 2004, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
No, that's just when I start suspecting you might have died. It approaches greater certainty when I hear independent rumors confirming your death.Let me see, Saber hasn't visited these forums in a while and you claim that you "heard" that she might have died. Take a note that this is a rumour apparently only you have heard and since she was visiting this forum it's a bit weird to have such "rumour" originate from outside, isn't it. What, some of your friends in your neighbourhood (that never seen her, know where she's living, etc.) said that she may have died and you believed it?
This whole thing seems like your fabrication and quite frankly this fabrication is really sick. To spread a rumour that somebody has died just because he's not visiting forums in a while is nothing short of it.

[ July 11, 2004, 06:27: Message edited by: Daynarr ]

Norfleet

July 11th, 2004, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by Daynarr:
Let me see, Saber hasn't visited these forums in a while and you claim that you "heard" that she might have died. Take a note that this is a rumour apparently only you have heard and since she was visiting this forum it's a bit weird to have such "rumour" originate from outside, isn't it. What, some of your friends in your neighbourhood (that never seen her, know where she's living, etc.) said that she may have died and you believed it?I forget exactly how this person came about this information. Maybe he got it from somebody else. In any case, it seemed to be as plausible an explanation as any, and I had no reason to disbelieve it, as I don't have any grudge against Saber Cherry, so didn't see a need to investigate further. Had I had some sort of beef against Saber, I'd have absolutely demanded to see a body, naturally: People who you detest have an obnoxious habit of surviving death and have to be killed very thoroughly. People you don't mind, on the other hand, die at the drop of a hat. It's just the way the universe works.

This whole thing seems like your fabrication and quite frankly this fabrication is really sick. To spread a rumour that somebody has died just because he's not visiting forums in a while is nothing short of it. I never billed it above the status of "rumor", so it's your own fault if you put more stock in it than I did. The fact remains that at the time, it was a plausible, and surprisingly common, reason for individuals spontaneously disappearing from forums where they were extremely involved in, from personal experience gained from other forums.

Zapmeister

July 11th, 2004, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
I never billed it above the status of "rumor"
Just for the record, you used the word "undoubtedly" which, in most people's language, means that you are in no doubt.

Daynarr

July 11th, 2004, 08:40 AM

Lol, Norfleet. You have, so far displayed in these forums that you are incredibly sceptical, or to quote you:
I can be a nice guy, but I'm also just as skeptical and untrusting as I appear, if not more so. It's a trait that has kept me alive. If I wasn't this way, I'd already be dead.from this thread http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=74;t=003151

So you want us to belive that you heard some 3rd person that doesn't have a clue who Saber Cherry was that she died (a very likely event indeed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif ) and posted this on the forum. Something doesn't fit, now does it?
Not to mention how likely was that this information is true and how unlikely that "sceptical" person would accept such information without "further investigation". To put it short, I don�t buy it.

And YOU and only you are the originator of this rumour in this forum so don't put a blame on anyone else, please. Even if that someone else doesn't exist. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Norfleet

July 11th, 2004, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
Just for the record, you used the word "undoubtedly" which, in most people's language, means that you are in no doubt. Given that I had no reason to doubt the rumor, as stated below, I therefore had no doubt about it. Of course, I still stated it was a rumor, admittedly one which we had no reason to doubt given evidence to the contrary, unless, of course, you had some sort of grudge against Saber Cherry. But since everyone likes Saber Cherry, why would we have doubted such a thing?

Norfleet

July 11th, 2004, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by Daynarr:
Lol, Norfleet. You have, so far displayed in these forums that you are incredibly scepticalYes, but this is a rumor about somebody's death. Somebody I have nothing against. So why would I have any reason to be concerned? Now if it had been the rumor about somebody I didn't like, such as, say, Stormbind, dying, I'd have demanded immediate verification so that appropriate action (rejoicing) could be taken. But since I have nothing against Saber Cherry, there was no reason to have to plan any kind of action in response, and therefore, no cause for such concern.

So you want us to belive that you heard some 3rd person that doesn't have a clue who Saber Cherry was that she died (a very likely event indeed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif ) and posted this on the forum. Something doesn't fit, now does it?People die every day. It's not unexpected, particularly in light of sudden disappearance. It usually means they fell into a booby trap or were captured or some other suitably unpleasant fate which awaits the unwary and careless in day to day life.

Not to mention how likely was that this information is true and how unlikely that "sceptical" person would accept such information without "further investigation". To put it short, I don�t buy it.I have many things to investigate every day, such as the rumors of deaths of people I genuinely despised. If you had something against Saber Cherry, it would have been YOUR duty to investigate the rumor. I'm a busy man! I don't have time to investigate every minor rumor about matters that I am indifferent to! After all, this doesn't affect *ME* in any way. Clearly, you don't understand the manner in which my skepticism operates.

And YOU and only you are the originator of this rumour in this forum so don't put a blame on anyone else, please. Even if that someone else doesn't exist. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif No, I merely stated the rumor as a possible, consistent, cause of Saber Cherry's disappearance. I wasn't the one who originated it. I don't recall who started it, or whether the person who told me about it was the one who started it in any case, and rather than name the wrong name on accident, I'll just state that it's a name who I don't recall at the moment. I'm old and I have a long beard. My memory isn't what it used to be.

Zapmeister

July 11th, 2004, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Zapmeister:
Just for the record, you used the word "undoubtedly" which, in most people's language, means that you are in no doubt. Given that I had no reason to doubt the rumor, as stated below, I therefore had no doubt about it.
<hr /></blockquote>Your position is logical nonsense. A rumour is, by definition, a premise that is in doubt. The full context of your "undoubtedly" remark is:

it's reasonable to expect that something of this sort has undoubtedly occurred.
... indicating that you are not in doubt that the premise (SC has died) is true.
Nuff said, I think.

Norfleet

July 11th, 2004, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
Your position is logical nonsense. A rumour is, by definition, a premise that is in doubt.In doubt, yes, although clearly by you, and not by me. I had no reason to care either way: I, unlike you, don't have some sort of grudge against Saber Cherry that would necessitate stalking him by email just to confirm whether or not he had died.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
it's reasonable to expect that something of this sort has undoubtedly occurred.
... indicating that you are not in doubt that the premise (SC has died) is true.
Nuff said, I think. <hr /></blockquote>That can be based on the following:
1. Saber Cherry has not harmed anyone.
2. Therefore, no reasonable person had any reason to have any grudge against Saber Cherry.
3. Therefore, no reasonable person had any reason to doubt that Saber Cherry's sudden and inexplicable disappearance was due to some sort of unpleasant and likely gruesome fate, as stated in the rumor.

Daynarr

July 11th, 2004, 09:17 AM

Dude, you are not making any sense. You seem to got lost in between your own lies and fabrications.

But it's good that everyone can see it now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Zapmeister

July 11th, 2004, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
In doubt, yes, although clearly by you, and not by me.
No, a rumour is in doubt by whoever holds it to be a rumour. You said that that you never gave it higher status than a rumour, therefore you held it to be a rumour, therefore you hold it to be in doubt. Contradicting your other statement. How clear does it have to be before you'll admit it?

I, unlike you, don't have some sort of grudge against Saber Cherry that would necessitate stalking him by email just to confirm whether or not he had died.
So now you're concluding that a single email, sent to confirm or refute your rumour, constitutes "stalking" and demonstrates that I have a grudge against SC?

Come back when you can make some kind of sense.

Demosthenes

July 11th, 2004, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
... this is a rumor about somebody's death. Somebody I have nothing against. So why would I have any reason to be concerned? Now if it had been the rumor about somebody I didn't like, such as, say, Stormbind, dying, I'd have demanded immediate verification so that appropriate action (rejoicing) could be taken. But since I have nothing against Saber Cherry, there was no reason to have to plan any kind of action in response, and therefore, no cause for such concern.This is insane. I hope that you are just roleplaying and muckraking for your personal amusement and are not really THIS freaking nuts.

This displays a pure disregard for the value of anyone elses life, except to the extent it helps you settle any personal vendettas you might have. This attitude is the enemy of functional society.

Endoperez

July 11th, 2004, 10:06 AM

One out of the two is not bad, especially as the one that we still have it SC... Unfortunately, all the projects she thought up seem to be dead. I have some interest in modding, and have though about making a mod or two using the (general) ideas SC threw around... But that is a long way to go. I want to try the nations I still haven't, atleast for some turns, before I go on and make up my own.

Norfleet

July 11th, 2004, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Demosthenes:
This displays a pure disregard for the value of anyone elses life, except to the extent it helps you settle any personal vendettas you might have. This attitude is the enemy of functional society. I think we've been over this before, but in truth, unless somebody has some personal meaning to me, I just don't feel anything for them. When you consider that there are over 6 billion random people on the planet, and more of them will die, and even more will sprout, then even Ashen Empire is allowed to have, the sense of impact is rather lost. So yes, it's safe to say I don't really place terribly much value on lives....because there's so much of it, and it's so perniciously difficult to be rid of, that can no longer be considered a scarce commodity as far as I'm concerned. Only when somebody is particularly important does their existence or nonexistence really matter to me. Everyone else exists in a sort of state of irrelevance: Live or die, I shrug, and life goes on.

Enemy of functional society? Hardly. You don't see me going on a rampage and killing people for no good reason. Society would actually function better if people got less worked up over everything.

Regardless, I suppose it's good to hear that Saber Cherry is still alive, at least for the moment.

[ July 11, 2004, 09:36: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

Daynarr

July 11th, 2004, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Demosthenes:
This displays a pure disregard for the value of anyone elses life, except to the extent it helps you settle any personal vendettas you might have. This attitude is the enemy of functional society. I think we've been over this before, but in truth, unless somebody has some personal meaning to me, I just don't feel anything for them. When you consider that there are over 6 billion random people on the planet, and more of them will die, and even more will sprout, then even Ashen Empire is allowed to have, the sense of impact is rather lost. So yes, it's safe to say I don't really place terribly much value on lives....because there's so much of it, and it's so perniciously difficult to be rid of, that can no longer be considered a scarce commodity as far as I'm concerned. Only when somebody is particularly important does their existence or nonexistence really matter to me. Everyone else exists in a sort of state of irrelevance: Live or die, I shrug, and life goes on.

Enemy of functional society? Hardly. You don't see me going on a rampage and killing people for no good reason. Society would actually function better if people got less worked up over everything.

Regardless, I suppose it's good to hear that Saber Cherry is still alive, at least for the moment. <hr /></blockquote>I don't know if you realize it but you have just proven that Demosthenes is right - you are antisocial person and such persons are always destructive to themselves and to their surroundings, directly or indirectly.

If anything, this statement/attitude will alienate you from the rest of the forum quite fast. Also, there is nothing to "get over" in such attitude - it can be ignored until it materializes itself into some more solid form, like posting false rumours of someone�s death which is almost similar like going to some family and claiming that a their mother/father/someone has died. Like I said, it's sick AND it's destructive.

You claim that you don't care about SC but you did care to post a rumour that she died to the rest of us who DO care.

Norfleet

July 11th, 2004, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Daynarr:
You claim that you don't care about SC but you did care to post a rumour that she died to the rest of us who DO care. I was simply passing along what I had heard. Given that the *USUAL* cause for sudden disappearance *IS* death or severe injury of some kind, it wasn't an unreasonable conclusion. Obviously, Zapmeister found this of sufficient personal importance, for whatever reason, to probe the matter at length, and has discovered that Saber Cherry is still alive, which is certainly good news. I don't see why you insist on belaboring the point. Don't shoot the messenger. Sheesh.

HotNifeThruButr

July 11th, 2004, 11:42 AM

Wow... I mean... wow.

For the Norfleet hating, I would've said such a thing as a joke. Since nobody would believe me (usually the case) or care (usually not the case, like in this one), life goes on and nobody's feeling gets hurt. Frankly, I think you guys need to keep your sense of humor and see that Norfleet is obviously playing a joke with this name, and his mean side, while some other forum-dweller is probably his real personality.

For Saber Cherry's game, OH MY GOD! IT LOOKS AWESOME! Screw Dawn of War, I'm going to buy Cherry's game and play it 'til I drop, then I'll start a cult, worshipping Saber Cherry and the game with human sacrifices and violent submachine gun rampages! (If you believe that, I don't know what to say)

Norfleet

July 11th, 2004, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by HotNifeThruButr:
For the Norfleet hating, I would've said such a thing as a joke. Since nobody would believe me (usually the case) or care (usually not the case, like in this one), life goes on and nobody's feeling gets hurt. Frankly, I think you guys need to keep your sense of humor and see that Norfleet is obviously playing a joke with this name, and his mean side, while some other forum-dweller is probably his real personality.No, there isn't another Norfleet on this forum. Somebody on this forum, however, whose name eludes me at the moment, has obviously taken advantage of this, and my failing memory, to plant this rumor on me as a practical joke, knowing that I wouldn't be obsessive enough to stalk Saber Cherry and actually find out, and undoubtedly planned on my failing memory not to remember his name. It was some obscure name that was hard to remember anyway.

Was that you? I can never remember your name. I think his name might have started with an H, but I'm not sure. Did you pull this stunt on me? I assure you if you did, and you lied to me about this, as is apparently the case, I'll be sure to *VERIFY* your death when I hear about it before reporting it! It better not have been you.

For Saber Cherry's game, OH MY GOD! IT LOOKS AWESOME! Screw Dawn of War, I'm going to buy Cherry's game and play it 'til I drop, then I'll start a cult, worshipping Saber Cherry and the game with human sacrifices and violent submachine gun rampages! (If you believe that, I don't know what to say) To be honest....I'm not sure what this game is. Those bugs look good enough to eat, though.

[ July 11, 2004, 10:52: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

HotNifeThruButr

July 11th, 2004, 12:10 PM

Actualy, on a more serious note, Saber Cherry's game could be fun. I mean, Dominions is fun and it has crappy graphics.

Dominions + Battle Realms graphics = God

Norfleet

July 11th, 2004, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by HotNifeThruButr:
Actualy, on a more serious note, Saber Cherry's game could be fun. I mean, Dominions is fun and it has crappy graphics.Yes, but crappy graphics means "Will run on my computer". The new super photorealistic 3D graphics sure looks nice, but doesn't necessarily add anything to the game beyond inflated development budgets, and inflated system requirements.

What *IS* Saber Cherry's game? I'm not sure what it even is, aside from a guy who is, apparently, firing some sort of shotgun off at what doesn't appear to be anything in particular in a worldspace populated by what appears to be either giant bugs, or miniature people with miniature shotguns. What does this game involve? How do you play it? And what is that THING? Is it shiny?

Gandalf Parker

July 11th, 2004, 02:24 PM

This is all purely a fabrication of my own overly creative imagination..
But it looks like it could be called "Nannite Warriors:the future of pest control"

Hmmm if thats NOT the concept then it certainly could be. I can see where it would allow for using all the standard "I want to be able to use this" stuff in the game, still be unique, but not so unique that the player has trouble grasping it.

I like the idea. HEY SHRAPNEL! LOOKY LOOKY!

Arryn

July 11th, 2004, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Those bugs look good enough to eat, though. Now I'm *sure* that Demosthenes was correct in thinking that you're insane. Only certifiable nut-cases, or spec-ops guys (not that there's a difference), eat bugs. Ick. Yuck. Bleh. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

HotNifeThruButr

July 11th, 2004, 04:54 PM

Can we say...

Escargot?

Norfleet

July 11th, 2004, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Arryn:
Now I'm *sure* that Demosthenes was correct in thinking that you're insane. Only certifiable nut-cases, or spec-ops guys (not that there's a difference), eat bugs. Ick. Yuck. Bleh. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Hey, don't knock it till you've tried it. And remember: It's not a bug, it's a feature! Where've you been, anyway? What happened to your AAR?

[ July 11, 2004, 16:43: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

Graeme Dice

July 11th, 2004, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Given that the *USUAL* cause for sudden disappearance *IS* death or severe injury of some kind, it wasn't an unreasonable conclusion.No, the usual cause of sudden dissappearance from an internet based forum is either a loss of the person's internet connection, or the choice of the person in question to no longer post to a particular place.

Gandalf Parker

July 11th, 2004, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by HotNifeThruButr:
Can we say...

Escargot? Thats not a bug. But if you are going to build a list of "shocking foods" then you would want to include prairie oysters, kim chee, blood pudding, haggis, tripe, birds nest soup, thousand year eggs, catfish, sushi, caviar, rancid yak milk, monkey brains, fruitcake, poi, chewing gum, baalut, vegemite, okra, steak tartare

Of course what is strange to one group isnt to another or you couldnt refer to it as a strange food. I didnt mention the worst, only the ones that are casually accepted somewhere and a shock to tourists. This probably isnt the best board for a long conversation on this subject but yes I have tasted most of these. Especially if its a meat.

And I would NOT advise looking up any I mentioned that you dont recognize. Google it if you are interested, I dont think I will define them here.

[ July 11, 2004, 16:59: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

HotNifeThruButr

July 11th, 2004, 07:00 PM

Catfish, sushi, and steak are considered shocking foods?

Skolem

July 11th, 2004, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by HotNifeThruButr:
Catfish, sushi, and steak are considered shocking foods? It wasn't steak but steak tartare, in this one you don't cook the flesh, and it taste really good.

Skolem

Gandalf Parker

July 11th, 2004, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by HotNifeThruButr:
Catfish, sushi, and steak are considered shocking foods? There are countries that are shocked at the idea of raw fish or raw steak (steak tartare). And some where the idea of eating scavengers is considered offensive. Lobster, crab, crayfish, catfish. They consider it less offensive to eat parasites like leeches and ticks than to eat anything that lives on decaying flesh like a vulture does. Some consider eating "garbage eaters" to be offensive like pigs and rats. Others consider domesticated animals off limits like cows, horses, dogs, cats. Seems like everyplace has some that are acceptable and some shock them.

HotNifeThruButr

July 11th, 2004, 08:02 PM

oh, steak tartare.

I thought sushi was just a type of rice and sashimi is the raw fish. At least, that's what all the Japanese've been telling me... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Norfleet

July 11th, 2004, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Others consider domesticated animals off limits like cows, horses, dogs, cats. Seems like everyplace has some that are acceptable and some shock them. Don't think I've ever had the opportunity to eat a dog or a cat before. I'm pretty sure that dogs don't taste too different from coyote, and cats probably taste a lot like lion, only not as tough. Horses are good, very tangy.

Me, I draw a line for what I eat at whether or not it is tasty. If it doesn't taste good, I prefer not to eat it. Also, if it takes too much work to eat, I prefer not to eat it. Lobster, for instance, is inordinately bothersome to eat for the amount of meat you can extract from it.

Stormbinder

July 11th, 2004, 09:11 PM

HotNifeThruButr

July 11th, 2004, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by Norfleet:

Me, I draw a line for what I eat at whether or not it is tasty. If it doesn't taste good, I prefer not to eat it. Also, if it takes too much work to eat, I prefer not to eat it. Lobster, for instance, is inordinately bothersome to eat for the amount of meat you can extract from it. I wish I could say I've eaten dogs before, like all other Chinese, but I haven't http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif . I never found Lobster bothersome, but shrimp definitely are. No food is a good enough reward for going through all that shell, especially with my stiff newbie fingers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

Daynarr

July 11th, 2004, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by HotNifeThruButr:
Catfish, sushi, and steak are considered shocking foods? There are countries that are shocked at the idea of raw fish or raw steak (steak tartare). And some where the idea of eating scavengers is considered offensive. Lobster, crab, crayfish, catfish. They consider it less offensive to eat parasites like leeches and ticks than to eat anything that lives on decaying flesh like a vulture does. Some consider eating "garbage eaters" to be offensive like pigs and rats. Others consider domesticated animals off limits like cows, horses, dogs, cats. Seems like everyplace has some that are acceptable and some shock them. <hr /></blockquote>I'm shocked. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Gandalf Parker

July 11th, 2004, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Don't think I've ever had the opportunity to eat a dog or a cat before. I'm pretty sure that dogs don't taste too different from coyote, and cats probably taste a lot like lion, only not as tough. Horses are good, very tangy.
Very different actually. Dog and Cat are domestic animals and coyote/lion are wild. If you have had the wild and domestic Versions of any meat there is always a big difference. Wild/domestic Duck? Chicken vs pheasant? wild/domestic turkey? Wild or domestic hog? Even comparing beef to deer. Its not that its ever bad vs good. Its usually both good, but very different good between the domestic and the wild Versions.

Norfleet

July 11th, 2004, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Very different actually. Dog and Cat are domestic animals and coyote/lion are wild. If you have had the wild and domestic Versions of any meat there is always a big difference. Wild/domestic Duck? Chicken vs pheasant? wild/domestic turkey? Wild or domestic hog? Even comparing beef to deer. Its not that its ever bad vs good. Its usually both good, but very different good between the domestic and the wild Versions. Yes, I'm aware of this, having had a lot of these, but it's different in a SIMILAR way. It's not something which English has words to explain.

Boron

July 11th, 2004, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by HotNifeThruButr:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Norfleet:

Me, I draw a line for what I eat at whether or not it is tasty. If it doesn't taste good, I prefer not to eat it. Also, if it takes too much work to eat, I prefer not to eat it. Lobster, for instance, is inordinately bothersome to eat for the amount of meat you can extract from it. I wish I could say I've eaten dogs before, like all other Chinese, but I haven't http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif . I never found Lobster bothersome, but shrimp definitely are. No food is a good enough reward for going through all that shell, especially with my stiff newbie fingers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif <hr /></blockquote>yeah shrimps and lobster are very hard to eat and i have no expierience at it .
but this doesn't prevent me of eating them when i am at holiday . there i try to eat as much as possible shrimps / lobsters cause i know they are expensive but i already paid for them with my hotel bill .
not that i like them much but this way i think i got something back from my money .
kinda wierd behaviour of myself but it tastes better when you know it's expensive and you get it kinda for free http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Arryn

July 12th, 2004, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by HotNifeThruButr:
I thought sushi was just a type of rice and sashimi is the raw fish. At least, that's what all the Japanese've been telling me... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif A perusal of the Web via Google reveals that "sashimi" is, indeed, raw fish, while "sushi" is the combination of sashimi and rice into one of several different styles. Think of sushi as the menu item you order, and sashimi as the key ingredient of that item.

Anyone interested in further study can try this link (http://member.nifty.ne.jp/maryy/eng/sushi_history.htm), or this one (http://www.rain.org/~hutch/sashimi.html).

Norfleet

July 12th, 2004, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by Boron:
kinda wierd behaviour of myself but it tastes better when you know it's expensive and you get it kinda for free http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Ain't nothing better than something free. Me, I feel that there's no meat quite like freshly killed, especially if you killed it yourself.

Arryn

July 12th, 2004, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Even comparing beef to deer.You cannot compare beef to venison as an example comparison of domestic vs. wild as the two meats taste quite different. Just as beef and pork taste different, yet both are (usually) domesticated. A more appropriate comparison would be to compare the beef from cattle to that from buffalo. As it would to compare venison to elk or moose meat.

By analogy, you'd compare oranges to other citrus fruits (such as grapefruit), not to apples or pears.

Just being nit-picky.

Arryn

July 12th, 2004, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Me, I feel that there's no meat quite like freshly killed, especially if you killed it yourself. Meat is better after it's been hung up for a while and allowed to age (bleed) a day or so. It's by far more tender than cooking it freshly-dead. I prefer my (rare) steak to be tender and juicy, not tough and jerky-like.

Norfleet

July 12th, 2004, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by Arryn:
Meat is better after it's been hung up for a while and allowed to age (bleed) a day or so. It's by far more tender than cooking it freshly-dead. I prefer my (rare) steak to be tender and juicy, not tough and jerky-like. Yes, but you see, if it's FRESHLY dead, it's still WARM. Then you don't HAVE to cook it at all!

What's more, it still can twitch if you shock it. That's when it's best: If you let it hang for a bit, it no longer twitches. It's gone totally dead.

As an added bonus, it's still bloody, which is just how I like it.

mr.white

July 12th, 2004, 01:58 AM

I think the odds of getting an answer to those questions are pretty bad after this bizarre thread.

Gandalf Parker

July 12th, 2004, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by Arryn:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Even comparing beef to deer.You cannot compare beef to venison as an example comparison of domestic vs. wild as the two meats taste quite different. Just as beef and pork taste different, yet both are (usually) domesticated. A more appropriate comparison would be to compare the beef from cattle to that from buffalo. As it would to compare venison to elk or moose meat. <hr /></blockquote>I knew that (believe me Im VERY aware of the diferences). but for many people its the closest they will get to knowing the diffrence between domestic meat and the leaner flavorful wild meats.

Gandalf Parker

July 12th, 2004, 03:10 AM

Originally posted by Arryn:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Norfleet:
Me, I feel that there's no meat quite like freshly killed, especially if you killed it yourself. Meat is better after it's been hung up for a while and allowed to age (bleed) a day or so. It's by far more tender than cooking it freshly-dead. I prefer my (rare) steak to be tender and juicy, not tough and jerky-like. <hr /></blockquote>Ever read the description of "Dropped Duck"?

Saber Cherry

July 12th, 2004, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
What does this game involve? How do you play it? And what is that THING? Is it shiny? How can you ask such a silly question? It's closely related to you, from the looks of your avatar...=)

The game is, er... actually, I'm about to start graduate school in artificial intelligence. So, the game is a study in artificial intelligence that happens to have graphics, so I can see what's going on. But, despite how it looks, the majority of my effort went into graphics (and making them fast) so that the AI is still half-baked=)

I'm thinking the plot might be something like... say... there's a really small robot. Or there are really big bugs. And, they fight! Also, the bugs are evil so you have to save the world, and you're the only one who can do it because your father left you the family's treasured giant robot (or tiny robot).

Just kidding, that sounds pretty lame! Hahaha...

Ok, really, I think the plot will involve magical mitochondria capable of a direct matter-to-energy conVersion of Elerium, thus allowing insects to grow to fantastic sizes depsite their lack of an efficient circulatory system. The gameplay will by a hybrid of X-COM, Privateer, Secret of Mana, and possibly Sim Farm. (This paragraph is actually true.)

Of course, you can also just sit back and watch the bugs run around and eat each other, which is pretty fun. For some people.

spirokeat

July 12th, 2004, 10:29 AM

Blood pudding ? thats Black Pudding where I come from and its lovely fried, though you get it in a white variety too.

Tripe is also nice, though I dont see that as often as I used to anymore. Nice plate of honeycomb tripe or elder smothered in vinegar on a saturday afternoon. yum.

Ox heart is also nice, but takes a damn long time to cook.

Spiro.

Chazar

July 12th, 2004, 10:55 AM

I like the thread's new topic about exotic food. And I like exotic food (actually I wanted to eat bugs at the EXPO2000 in Hannover, but the queue was way too long for me to wait).

But that leads to a Dom-related question: I think that considering a pest to be edible is a good way to get rid of the pest. (Didnt the french pull that trick recently with a foreign frog/toad species that was crowding out the native species?) So where is this concept in Dom2? Are there any creatures eating up their enemies?

I think Dom2 covers an awful variety of themes, but this might acutally be a part they forgot... (And I dont accept scavengers/undead varieties like Eater of the Dead.)

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[ July 12, 2004, 09:58: Message edited by: Chazar ]

HotNifeThruButr

July 12th, 2004, 11:12 AM

I'm not sure if we're talking about the same blood, but I like mine in a tofu-like consistency. And we all know how easy it is to get our hands on buffalo, right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Taqwus

July 12th, 2004, 04:37 PM

Those who wish to satisfy their insectivorous urges could do worse than to search for a company called "Edible Limited". BBQ worm crisps, chocolate ant bars, and scorpion lollipops, oh my!

July 12th, 2004, 05:00 PM

Don't make fun of Cherry's bugs!

I believe they are cute and vicious, precisely what bugs should be!

Arryn

July 12th, 2004, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Zen:
Don't make fun of Cherry's bugs!

I believe they are cute and vicious, precisely what bugs should be! Aren't programmers supposed to eradicate bugs, not deliberately create them? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

July 12th, 2004, 05:25 PM

Not when they are cute and vicious. That is I also think the term bug is too liberally applied. Though I wouldn't mind seeing an Alien tear through a server case and devour a user every once in a while, but only because I believe that the end of civilization is the self-checkout at the grocery store.

Arryn

July 12th, 2004, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by Zen:
I believe that the end of civilization is the self-checkout at the grocery store. I agree. A most ill-conceived notion if ever there was one. An attempt to cut business costs (payroll) at the expense of customer convenience. What makes it especially egregious is that it's masked as an attempt to *improve* customer service. Yeah, right. A cashier can check someone through far faster than the customer can do the work themselves. Customers have too many buttons they need to push (a bad UI) and it still requires a cashier's involvement despite paying by credit card. Self-service gasoline and banking make sense. Self-service retail shopping does not.

Sheap

July 12th, 2004, 06:57 PM

Actually, I prefer the self-serve checkout. I do understand that the stores are doing this to cut costs at the expense of the customer. But I find that I am almost as fast as a cashier at scanning my items, and I can scan and bag in one motion (rather than having to do them separately) so that is actually faster.

Invariably when I wait in a regular checkout line, someone in front of me is a moron and holds up the show for ages. This happens even more often with self-serve checkout, but when it happens it only reduces throughput by 25% instead of 100%.

Finally since the self-service checkout is restricted in the number of items you can bring through, and many people are reluctant to use them, and because the line leads to four checkouts instead of one, the lines are much shorter and move faster. Which is important to me, not because my time is exceptionally valuable, but because I really, really hate waiting in line.

On the other hand, I do agree with Arryn that self-serve gasoline is an absolute necessity of life. I am simply glad that New Jersey is a small state that I don't live in. There are many reasons for this, but among them is that when I have to drive through it, I can fill up beforehand and not have to wait in their gas lines. It's like the oil embargo, all over again.

[ July 12, 2004, 17:59: Message edited by: Sheap ]

LintMan

July 12th, 2004, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Thats not a bug. But if you are going to build a list of "shocking foods" then you would want to include prairie oysters, kim chee, blood pudding, haggis, tripe, birds nest soup, thousand year eggs, catfish, sushi, caviar, rancid yak milk, monkey brains, fruitcake, poi, chewing gum, baalut, vegemite, okra, steak tartare
Just curious: where/why are chewing gum, okra, and fruitcake considered shocking?

LintMan

July 12th, 2004, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Sheap:
Finally since the self-service checkout is restricted in the number of items you can bring through, and many people are reluctant to use them, and because the line leads to four checkouts instead of one, the lines are much shorter and move faster. Which is important to me, not because my time is exceptionally valuable, but because I really, really hate waiting in line.

On the other hand, I do agree with Arryn that self-serve gasoline is an absolute necessity of life. I am simply glad that New Jersey is a small state that I don't live in. There are many reasons for this, but among them is that when I have to drive through it, I can fill up beforehand and not have to wait in their gas lines. It's like the oil embargo, all over again. The self-service checkouts I've seen don't have any maximum item limits. The biggest problem I've had with them is that they've been miserable to use. One had the worst, most confusing credit card interface I've ever seen, and another had a conveyor belt that kept on pushing my packing boxes back at me.

As for gas lines at NJ pumps: if you're waiting on a long gas line in NJ, you're either going to the wrong stations, or your only experience is with the rest area stations on the Garden State Parkway and NJ Turnpike. The local town/city gas stations (which you'd be using if you lived there, rather than the Parkway ones) don't get like that.

Gandalf Parker

July 12th, 2004, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by LintMan:
Just curious: where/why are chewing gum, okra, and fruitcake considered shocking? Like everything that was mentioned if depends on if you (A) know what they are (B) have ever tried them and (C) not worth explaining if you live in the country where they are common, in this case the USA.

I didnt add them to the list, I got it off the net. Gum is flavored pLastic made from a petroleum waste, and a stereotype of dumb cud chewing americans. Okra is a slimey vegetable which is considered hard to even WATCH being eaten. And fruitcake is defined as "building construction material with colored gels added, rarely if ever eaten but is often passed hand to hand as gifts for years"

Kel

July 12th, 2004, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Gum is flavored pLastic made from a petroleum waste, and a stereotype of dumb cud chewing americans.Cud like or not, it's good for the teeth http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

- Kel

Cainehill

July 12th, 2004, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by Arryn:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Norfleet:
Those bugs look good enough to eat, though. Now I'm *sure* that Demosthenes was correct in thinking that you're insane. Only certifiable nut-cases, or spec-ops guys (not that there's a difference), eat bugs. Ick. Yuck. Bleh. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif <hr /></blockquote>Eh - in Korea, you could buy little paper cones full of fried bug larva (not with batter - more like sauteed). Other portions of the world, chocolate covered ants and grasshoppers; other part, deep fried worms. Down near Papua New Guinea, there's tribes for whom grubs are not just a delicacy, but a vital part of the diet, as the sole source of protein (possibly fat as well) in the diet (which otherwise is 90% palm tree based).

The Philippines, they have a dish called "Balut", which is a fertile duck egg, almost hatched, which is then buried underground to ferment.

Myself, I've tried all of these (except for the fried larva and the Balut) when offered them by friends and friendly acquaintances. The larva and the Balut, I never had a local friend offer, so I harbored a suspicion that clever chaps figured out that they could get american servicemen (deliberate gender here) to eat rotten food, and pay to do so. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Not even peer pressure got me to try these things, not even falling down drunk at 20 and 25 years of age. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Also - basically, all people in the USA who don't have _very_ odd diets eat bugs. Essentially every bag of flour, every loaf of bread, has X parts per million that is ground up insects, and rat droppings. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Demosthenes

July 13th, 2004, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Kel:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Gum is flavored pLastic made from a petroleum waste, and a stereotype of dumb cud chewing americans.Cud like or not, it's good for the teeth http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

- Kel <hr /></blockquote>But bad for the jaw. Most headaches are caused by jaw tension and dehydration.

HotNifeThruButr

July 13th, 2004, 01:12 AM

"Dumb cud chewing Americans," that's a classic!

I've always thought the automatic door was a low point in civilization. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does opening a door really take that much effort?

Graeme Dice

July 13th, 2004, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by HotNifeThruButr:
I've always thought the automatic door was a low point in civilization. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does opening a door really take that much effort? Well it can take a bit of effort if you're carrying a few weeks worth of groceries.

Arryn

July 13th, 2004, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by Demosthenes:
Most headaches are caused by jaw tension and dehydration. Let's not forget my personal favorite (not!), allergy-induced sinus pressure. Ye gods how I hate sinus headaches. Thank same gods for the miracle of over-the-counter Claritan! (generic Version, of course)

Norfleet

July 13th, 2004, 05:34 AM

Originally posted by Arryn:
Let's not forget my personal favorite (not!), allergy-induced sinus pressure. Ye gods how I hate sinus headaches. Thank same gods for the miracle of over-the-counter Claritan! (generic Version, of course) A solution I've always recommended in the past drainage by suction. As a side benefit, you also remove tons of other accumulated crud that has gathered within your head. You'd be surprised how much lighter your head feels, as well as how easily you can breathe, after you suction out your internal passages.

Zapmeister

July 13th, 2004, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
As a side benefit, you also remove tons of other accumulated crud that has gathered within your head.
Hmmm. This explains a lot of things... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Arryn

July 13th, 2004, 05:46 AM

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Norfleet:
As a side benefit, you also remove tons of other accumulated crud that has gathered within your head.
Hmmm. This explains a lot of things... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <hr /></blockquote>You know you've been playing too much Dom 2 when you think that Illithids are a cure to real-world problems ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Norfleet

July 13th, 2004, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by Arryn:
You know you've been playing too much Dom 2 when you think that Illithids are a cure to real-world problems ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Yes, well, you know YOU haven't been playing ENOUGH when your AAR isn't finished! What happened to your AAR anyway?

Arryn

July 13th, 2004, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Yes, well, you know YOU haven't been playing ENOUGH when your AAR isn't finished! What happened to your AAR anyway? Perhaps you missed my post where I said I wouldn't be able to devote time to it until later this summer? Or my private email to you saying much the same thing? Getting senile in your old age, Norfy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Norfleet

July 13th, 2004, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by Arryn:
Perhaps you missed my post where I said I wouldn't be able to devote time to it until later this summer? Or my private email to you saying much the same thing? Getting senile in your old age, Norfy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I get this a lot. Of course, you do realize this means that in a few days or so, I'll forget that we had this conversation, and start bugging you about it again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Arryn

July 13th, 2004, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Of course, you do realize this means that in a few days or so, I'll forget that we had this conversation, and start bugging you about it again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Without a doubt. Then there's the aspect that you'd bug me about it regardless of how good your memory was. I suppose I should be flattered that you care enough to pester me. After all, if you didn't, you'd relegate me to that wastebin where you file away those whom you think are dead, or as good as. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif