MP Game - Cradle/Snurgle [Archive]

Reverend Zombie

July 12th, 2004, 12:32 AM

Cradle of Dominion map is available from Illwinter's site (http://www.illwinter.com/dom2/maps.html). You'll need to download it if you don't have it already.

We'll be playing with Zen's modifications (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=74;t=003167;p=2).

No house rules, but some provisos:

1. Only 1 water nation permitted (per Zen's suggestion). First water nation called will result in the other one being closed.

2. Game will be on 24 hour quickhost; please don't join if you can't keep up with that pace.

3. Victory will be 67% province victory. That's 148 out of 221.

4. Graphs off, renaming on, magic sites 55, independent strength 7. Other settings standard, unless I've forgotten something.

5. I've hosted one game successfully to completion on my machine, but the wireless router that I use craps out about once a week for reasons I am unable to figure. I generally catch this and will restart the server so no one stales, but tolerance of an odd stale turn or two is a preferred qualification for players.

7. I am located in the Eastern U.S. time zone. If we are still playing come U.S. Labor Day (first Monday in September), and my travel plans dictate, I may switch to quickhost only while I'm out of town. Again, tolerance of this sort of thing is a plus. I will try to similarly accomodate any of the other players' travel plans as well.

8. Claim your nation by posting in this thread. Game will start 24 hours after we hit 8 players, but we'll take up to 10 if they sign in before then.

I'll circulate the ip and port no. via PM on these forums.

I will be playing Marignon.

[ July 16, 2004, 21:40: Message edited by: Reverend Zombie ]

Norfleet

July 12th, 2004, 12:55 AM

Caelum.

Cohen

July 12th, 2004, 11:17 AM

Abysya

Cainehill

July 12th, 2004, 05:30 PM

I'm going to give Marignon a try.

Reverend Zombie

July 12th, 2004, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Cainehill:
I'm going to give Marignon a try. Well, I previously called it, but if you are dead set on it, I'll take C'tis, instead.

Cainehill

July 12th, 2004, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Reverend Zombie:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Cainehill:
I'm going to give Marignon a try. Well, I previously called it, but if you are dead set on it, I'll take C'tis, instead. <hr /></blockquote>Oops - I looked through, didn't see it called; sorry. It's yours. I'll think a bit (and read more closely this time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) and figure out what I'm taking.

Pirateiam

July 12th, 2004, 09:48 PM

Since I quite enjoy Rev Zombie games may I have the Jots?

vigabrand

July 12th, 2004, 09:52 PM

I'd like to try Ryleh

Vig

Cainehill

July 12th, 2004, 11:01 PM

Reverend Zombie : Since you called Marignon, I'll take Vanheim unless you've decided that you'd rather have C'tis.

Reverend Zombie

July 13th, 2004, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by Cainehill:
Reverend Zombie : Since you called Marignon, I'll take Vanheim unless you've decided that you'd rather have C'tis. I've got a few C'tis irons in the fire already, and I think I'd like to stick with my first choice -- Mari -- thanks!

Reverend Zombie

July 13th, 2004, 02:24 AM

Nations playing so far: Marignon, Caelum, Abysia, Ryl'eh, Vanheim, Jotunheim.

Two more needed to start.

Frosted Flake

July 13th, 2004, 05:06 AM

I'd like to try Arco

Frosted Flake

YellowCactus

July 13th, 2004, 06:45 AM

I'm game if there's room! Tien Chi

YellowCactus

Norfleet

July 13th, 2004, 08:57 AM

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

Reverend Zombie

July 13th, 2004, 03:13 PM

Okay, we have the requisite number, so the game will be starting at, oh, let's see...

24 hours from the 8th player's post would be early Wednesday morning (1:45 a.m.).

I need to fire up the server, though, and circulate the address and port to everyone. I'll do that tonight, about 7:30 p.m. Eastern U.S., and start the game 24 hours after that.

[ July 13, 2004, 14:30: Message edited by: Reverend Zombie ]

Reverend Zombie

July 13th, 2004, 05:08 PM

Current roster of players:

Caelum (Norfleet)

Abyssia (Cohen)

Vanheim (Cainehill)

Jotunheim (Pirateiam)

R'lyeh (Vigabrand)

Pythium (Stormbinder)

Arcoscephale (Frosted Flake)

T'ien Ch'i (YellowCactus)

Marignon (Reverend Zombie)

One spot left open (no Atlantis, however), if you claim your nation here, and can upload your Pretender between 7:30 p.m. July 13 and 7:30 p.m. July 14.

All times U.S. Eastern.

[ July 13, 2004, 23:10: Message edited by: Reverend Zombie ]

Stormbinder

July 13th, 2004, 10:16 PM

I'll take Pythium.

As for the default settings - may I suggest changing HOF to 15 (if it wasn't done already), since there will be plenty of players, and if this is ok with Zombie and other players.

Pirateiam

July 13th, 2004, 10:28 PM

OOOOhhh How interesting. Stormbinder and Norfleet in the same game! (just teasing you guys) Suprise us all and be devout allies through out the game! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Stormbinder

July 13th, 2004, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Pirateiam:
OOOOhhh How interesting. Stormbinder and Norfleet in the same game! (just teasing you guys) Suprise us all and be devout allies through out the game! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Reverend Zombie

July 14th, 2004, 12:23 AM

Game is up for loading Pretenders. Game will start 24 hours from this post, 7:30 p.m. tomorrow (U.S. eastern timezone).

Please post here if you have any trouble connecting to the server.

Cohen

July 14th, 2004, 12:34 AM

I can't connect ...

Norfleet

July 14th, 2004, 12:36 AM

THE SYSTEM IS DOWN!

Connection and telnet probes to port time out complete. Traceroute does not report any response after about 15 hops.

Reverend Zombie

July 14th, 2004, 12:44 AM

FIREWALL may have been configure improperly.

Please try again.

Reverend Zombie

July 14th, 2004, 12:44 AM

FIREWALL may have been configured improperly.

Please try again.

Norfleet

July 14th, 2004, 12:45 AM

THE SYSTEM IS DOWN!(still)

Reverend Zombie

July 14th, 2004, 12:45 AM

This is not good.

Norfleet

July 14th, 2004, 12:49 AM

So what on Earth did you *DO* to it? This used to work.

Reverend Zombie

July 14th, 2004, 12:51 AM

Hrm. Restarted server.

Try again?

(this is bad omen)

Cohen

July 14th, 2004, 12:57 AM

Nada ...
Still not connecting

Reverend Zombie

July 14th, 2004, 01:19 AM

How about now?

Cohen

July 14th, 2004, 01:41 AM

Nope.
Could we use Mosehansen?
There should be a slot free

Norfleet

July 14th, 2004, 01:53 AM

The Mose doesn't include the option of going scoregraphless, though. If Zombie can't make this work, we can try hosting it on kludgemush.com instead. What do you think?

Reverend Zombie

July 14th, 2004, 02:28 AM

Since my server and router seem to ignoring one another, try connecting via this i.p address: 66.66.49.224

same port as before.

Stormbinder

July 14th, 2004, 02:32 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
The Mose doesn't include the option of going scoregraphless, though. If Zombie can't make this work, we can try hosting it on kludgemush.com instead. What do you think? I don't think it s good idea. Strange thing have been known to happen on norfleet's kludgemush, such as unique and lethal bugs that strike just when the server's owner is losing his tournament game for example, et cetera... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Without going farther into it, I would say that Mose's server is much better option in my opinion, even with scoregraphs.

FYI our Ugania game was just fininshed (it is currently "stoped"), so there should still be an available spot. And btw, if scoregraph bother people too much, Zombie or somebody else could send email to Mose and ask him to just turn it off for our game manualy. AFAICT Mose has done it before. Personally I prefer to play without graphs as well, but it doen't matter too much for me. IMHO to have reliable server that you can trust is much more importent. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Of course if Zombie will be able to nail the current problem, playing on his server is perfectly fine with me as well.

[ July 14, 2004, 01:36: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Norfleet

July 14th, 2004, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
I don't think it s good idea. Strange thing have been known to happen on norfleet's kludgemush, such as unique and lethal bugs that strike just when the server's owner is losing his tournament game for example, et cetera... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Lies. What would you know, anyway? I was clearly winning. And moving to a different server certainly didn't change anything. Dom2 simply has weird bugs in it, which occur all the same on Mose's server.

Reverend Zombie

July 14th, 2004, 02:40 AM

Has anyone tried using the ip no. to connect?

Norfleet

July 14th, 2004, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by Reverend Zombie:
Has anyone tried using the ip no. to connect? It's not a problem with DNS resolution, I can resolve the DNS when I try probing with telnet just fine. However, the port times out. This is probably your firewall it is running into.

Reverend Zombie

July 14th, 2004, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Reverend Zombie:
Has anyone tried using the ip no. to connect? It's not a problem with DNS resolution, I can resolve the DNS when I try probing with telnet just fine. However, the port times out. This is probably your firewall it is running into. <hr /></blockquote>Firewall tweaked again.

Give it another go?

Cainehill

July 14th, 2004, 02:50 AM

No joy. Might be your router as well as your firewall - I know I had to tweak both in order to host. (Setting the PC in the router's DMZ, so it let everything through, and then telling the software firewall to allow that port, and the dom2.exe to communicate via it.)

Edit : The router / firewall might filter that port, given that 3 trojans are known to access 7777 for 'cbt'.

[ July 14, 2004, 01:53: Message edited by: Cainehill ]

Norfleet

July 14th, 2004, 02:57 AM

THE SYSTEM IS (still)DOWN!

Stormbinder

July 14th, 2004, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Stormbinder:
I don't think it s good idea. Strange thing have been known to happen on norfleet's kludgemush, such as unique and lethal bugs that strike just when the server's owner is losing his tournament game for example, et cetera... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Lies. What would you know, anyway? I was clearly winning. <hr /></blockquote>Sure you were. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif But not according to both you and your opponent at that time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif You keep forgeting your own words, huh? Should I post another embaressing IRC log with your words on it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif But like I said I am not going farther into it. Surface to say that playing on your server would a bad idea for everybody invloved, in my opinion. Dixi.

Reverend Zombie

July 14th, 2004, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by Cainehill:
No joy. Might be your router as well as your firewall - I know I had to tweak both in order to host. (Setting the PC in the router's DMZ, so it let everything through, and then telling the software firewall to allow that port, and the dom2.exe to communicate via it.)

Edit : The router / firewall might filter that port, given that 3 trojans are known to access 7777 for 'cbt'. DMZ set, try port 10000.

Norfleet

July 14th, 2004, 03:04 AM

THE SYSTEM IS DOWN!

Stormbinder

July 14th, 2004, 03:07 AM

Yes, as Cainehill said seting router to DMZ could do the trick Zombie, if you think that would be an acceptable solution for you. I know it worked for me when I was playing EU2 in MP and had a lot of troubles with hardware and software firewalls.

Cainehill

July 14th, 2004, 03:10 AM

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Norfleet:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Stormbinder:
I don't think it s good idea. Strange thing have been known to happen on norfleet's kludgemush, such as unique and lethal bugs that strike just when the server's owner is losing his tournament game for example, et cetera... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Lies. What would you know, anyway? I was clearly winning. <hr /></blockquote>Sure you were. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif But not according to both you and your opponent at that time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif You keep forgeting your own words, huh? Should I post another embaressing IRC log with your words on it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif But like I said I am not going farther into it. Surface to say that playing on your server would a bad idea for everybody invloved, in my opinion. Dixi. <hr /></blockquote>And we're back to this again, eh? Stormbinder, just to remind people - you are the one who I've caught lying and being deceptive, not Norfleet.

Norfleet

July 14th, 2004, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Sure you were. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif But not according to both you and your opponent at that time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif You keep forgeting your own words, huh? Should I post another embaressing IRC log with your words on it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif But like I said I am not going farther into it. Surface to say that playing on your server would a bad idea for everybody invloved, in my opinion. Dixi. At the time, it was certainly tense, but as it turns out, wraith sword or no, Battle Vestals don't hold up to fireproof SC GKs. More importantly, this isn't the first time that sort of thing has occurred: Random stales are a known and reported "unsolved" issue.

YOU, Storm, simply wish to continue to pursue your personal agenda. It won't work. Calmon and I are buddies. If Zombie can't make his server work, you are welcome to stay home and off the server, though. At least then I won't have to listen to your incessant whining throughout the entire game.

[ July 14, 2004, 02:18: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

Reverend Zombie

July 14th, 2004, 04:25 AM

Due to my utter ineptitude getting my server to work, I vote we move this game to kludgemush...

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Maybe, one day, when I figure out how to fix my setup, I shall host again...

Cainehill

July 14th, 2004, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by Reverend Zombie:
Due to my utter ineptitude getting my server to work, I vote we move this game to kludgemush...
If you're waiting for votes - I certainly don't have a problem with it being on kludgemush.

Norfleet

July 14th, 2004, 06:38 AM

Well, just in case, I've brought a hosting port up. It is now at: kludgemush.com 10629

I'm sure nobody but Stormbind will have a problem with this.

As for Stormbind, I'm going to make his decision simple: He can attend the game as intended, or not. If he chooses *NOT* to attend, I'll just ban him permanently, settling the issue for good. I never liked his constant whining anyway.

Pirateiam

July 14th, 2004, 07:43 AM

Hey Rev Zombie since you are from my area (Rochester, NY) I was wondering if you are using the EZ-Firewall provided by RoadRunner. If so I have had the same issue with thier Firewall and have not been able to get it to work. I think it is a hopeless cause.

Stormbinder

July 14th, 2004, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Cainehill:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Stormbinder:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Norfleet:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Stormbinder:
I don't think it s good idea. Strange thing have been known to happen on norfleet's kludgemush, such as unique and lethal bugs that strike just when the server's owner is losing his tournament game for example, et cetera... Lies. What would you know, anyway? I was clearly winning. <hr /></blockquote>Sure you were. But not according to both you and your opponent at that time. You keep forgeting your own words, huh? Should I post another embaressing IRC log with your words on it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif But like I said I am not going farther into it. Surface to say that playing on your server would a bad idea for everybody invloved, in my opinion. Dixi. <hr /></blockquote>And we're back to this again, eh? Stormbinder, just to remind people - you are the one who I've caught lying and being deceptive, not Norfleet. <hr /></blockquote>ROFL. Sorry to rain on your parade Cainehill, but I swear I don't have a slightest idea what you are talking about. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif And I am not even remotely interested, so don't bother "explaining" it to me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif I know very well that for whatever reason you have a personal agenda to defend norfleet at all cost, and truth is always the first casaulty in your little "crusade".

Let me remind you however, that Zen have bared that topic repeatedly and for good on this forum, and have issued warnings to violators. If you are going to try to continue this line of discussion and will try to ressurect dead and smelly horse once again and start another flamewar, you are going to do it your own, and will suffer the consequences for violating the board policy. I am not going to help you with it or share responsobility, don't even hope so. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Originally posted by Norfleet:
As for Stormbind, I'm going to make his decision simple: He can attend the game as intended, or not. If he chooses *NOT* to attend, I'll just ban him permanently, settling the issue for good. [/QB]You know Norf, as many people noticed you would be much more annoying, if you would not be so funny, in totally unintended sort of way. Have you forgoten that you have publicly Banned me TWICE from your games already? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif (of course you did it after me and several other forum regulars have baned you from our games for good because of your cheating). Now you are threatening to ban me once again? I am truly heartbroken.

Of course I will not play on your server, I have very good reason not to trust you. So feel free to "ban" me gew more times if it make you feel better. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
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I vote for Mose server. I don't see why should we play on suspicious norf's server, which is prone to strange bugs, when we can turn graphs off (by sending email and asking Mose do it for us) and play on relatively stable Mose's server. Although the total vote will probably go the other way, based upon personalities of some voters.

[ July 14, 2004, 07:51: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Norfleet

July 14th, 2004, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Of course I will not play on your server, I have very good reason not to trust you. So feel free to "ban" me gew more times if it make you feel better. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Good. Given that this game has already turned into a screaming match by your added presence, we may very well be better off without you, seeing as I was here first. At least then everyone can enjoy a quiet and relatively peaceful game.

Esben Mose Hansen

July 14th, 2004, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
I vote for Mose server. [...] we can turn graphs off (by sending email and asking Mose do it for us) and play on relatively stable Mose's server. (Flame war content left out... I will wage my own flamewars http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )
I cannot turn off scoregraphs. Sorry :-( There is no way to do that on a text server, that I know.

I do agree that my server would be neutral territory, however, as I would not ordinarily participate in a tournament style event.

Stormbinder

July 14th, 2004, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Of course I will not play on your server, I have very good reason not to trust you. So feel free to "ban" me gew more times if it make you feel better. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Good. Given that this game has already turned into a screaming match by your added presence, we may very well be better off without you, seeing as I was here first.<hr /></blockquote>Typical Norfleet's bull****. I objected to playing the game on your server, and for the good reasons. I was joining the game that was about to be run by Reverand Zombie, not you. If the game would be orginised and run by you in the first place, I would just walk past it without 2nd glance, as I did before. So don't try to spin it around, you are not fooling anyone.

At least then everyone can enjoy a quiet and relatively peaceful game. You mean another game where you'll play your only VQ+madcastling+clamhoarding lame strategy, as you have admited you will, and will eventually bore everyone to death? Good luck and good riddance! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ July 14, 2004, 11:40: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Stormbinder

July 14th, 2004, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Cainehill:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Stormbinder:

Let me remind you however, that Zen have bared that topic repeatedly and for good on this forum, and have issued warnings to violators. If you are going to try to continue this line of discussion and will try to ressurect dead and smelly horse once again and start another flamewar, you are going to do it your own, and will suffer the consequences for violating the board policy. I am not going to help you with it or share responsobility, don't even hope so.
And you should refrain from indulging in your obsessions. I'll repeat myself a tiny bit:
......

<hr /></blockquote>Frankly Cain, it is very clear that you are the one who is clearly obsesed here. Just listen to yourslef, if you can. Just another "tiny bit", huh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif You do sound almost as real addict, you know. Personally I find it to be quite amusing, if a bit sad. What is torturing you so much? Perhaps you just can't forget how you was made a fool in public? So you are desperatly trying to start another flamewar to "redeem" yourself? Pain of inflamed ego, huh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Sorry, but unlike yourself I will not indulge this obsession of yours. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Honestly if I would be you I would drop it right now, since you are only making things worse for yourself. But based upon your behavior so far I don't think you would be able to do it, but instead you will try everything you can to return to it, no realizing how ridiculous it looks to other people.

[ July 14, 2004, 13:28: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

vigabrand

July 14th, 2004, 02:31 PM

Kludge is fine with me, but I won't be able to upload till tonight 7/14/04 7pm EST, but it could be a little later.

Vig

Pirateiam

July 14th, 2004, 05:16 PM

Stormbinder, Cainehill and Norfleet,

I am a member of a not so secret "Fight Club" and would be more than willing to set up a throw down.
Where you can all beat the crap out of each other (release that anger) and then get over and MOVE ON over this silly pissing contest.

Reverend Zombie

July 14th, 2004, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Pirateiam:
Hey Rev Zombie since you are from my area (Rochester, NY) I was wondering if you are using the EZ-Firewall provided by RoadRunner. If so I have had the same issue with thier Firewall and have not been able to get it to work. I think it is a hopeless cause. No I am not using the EZ-firewall, as far as I know. I hosted a game successfully to completion using what I think were the same settings as the ones that are giving me trouble now.

However, I had to reinstall my router between then and now, which might have borked things.

[ July 14, 2004, 19:43: Message edited by: Reverend Zombie ]

Graeme Dice

July 14th, 2004, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
I'm sure nobody but Stormbind will have a problem with this.Well, I could name about 5-6 people who might have a problem with it, but won't so as to avoid throwing gas on a fire.

Cainehill

July 15th, 2004, 12:12 AM

Say, Stormbinder, just as an aside - ESL?

YellowCactus

July 15th, 2004, 12:41 AM

What's the frequency Kennith?

Hey guys/gals, Is this game moving to kludgemush? I don't know anything about that server. Port##?

Thanks for the help. Still a bit of a n00bie.

Norfleet

July 15th, 2004, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by YellowCactus:
Hey guys/gals, Is this game moving to kludgemush? I don't know anything about that server. Port##?For those of you who missed it on account of the running flamewar, the server is here:

kludgemush.com 10629

Pirateiam

July 15th, 2004, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by YellowCactus:
Hey guys/gals, Is this game moving to kludgemush? I don't know anything about that server. Port##?For those of you who missed it on account of the running flamewar, the server is here:

kludgemush.com 10629 <hr /></blockquote>Are you ready for Pretendar uploading?

Norfleet

July 15th, 2004, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by Pirateiam:
Are you ready for Pretendar uploading? Yes we are. Let's get cracking, ladies!

Cainehill

July 15th, 2004, 01:40 AM

Stormbinder obsessed:
Let me remind you however, that Zen have bared that topic repeatedly and for good on this forum, and have issued warnings to violators. If you are going to try to continue this line of discussion and will try to ressurect dead and smelly horse once again and start another flamewar, you are going to do it your own, and will suffer the consequences for violating the board policy. I am not going to help you with it or share responsobility, don't even hope so.
And you should refrain from indulging in your obsessions. I'll repeat myself a tiny bit:

Just one example : You wrote that the house rules were explicitly designed to prevent Norfleet's "abusive" style of play.

I quoted the actual house rules, showing that _NONE_ of them had anything to do with Norfleet's style of play, and asked you to explain just which ones you were making that claim about.

The reply: Silence.
Enough said.

Pirateiam

July 15th, 2004, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Pirateiam:
Are you ready for Pretendar uploading? Yes we are. Let's get cracking, ladies! <hr /></blockquote>Yes Madame! Pretendar loaded! Whats the settings???

To everyone playing:

Be very easy on me! I have never played Jotunhiem before so I have no idea what I am doing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Remember giants are your friends.

[ July 15, 2004, 00:47: Message edited by: Pirateiam ]

Norfleet

July 15th, 2004, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by Pirateiam:
Whats the settings???Zombie stated them at the very beginning of the thread.

Pirateiam

July 15th, 2004, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Pirateiam:
Whats the settings???Zombie stated them at the very beginning of the thread. <hr /></blockquote>Yep just making sure they were the same.

vigabrand

July 15th, 2004, 03:50 AM

All loaded up, do we have a deadline to start?

Vig

Cainehill

July 15th, 2004, 04:00 AM

Tweaking my Freaklord, working to give him a bigger ... dominion. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I'll have mine uploaded in an hour or two.

Norfleet

July 15th, 2004, 04:32 AM

Originally posted by vigabrand:
All loaded up, do we have a deadline to start? Not yet, unless Zombie wants to set one. Currently we're just waiting until everyone who wasn't Banned uploads.

Cainehill

July 15th, 2004, 05:50 AM

And I'm in. Er - do we know who was going to be in? Never was a consolidated post regarding who was in as who.

I think Caelum is still missing - F9W9 caelum is nasty, so just as well. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Oh, and a drugged raindrop isn't in either.

Norfleet

July 15th, 2004, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by Cainehill:
I think Caelum is still missing - F9W9 caelum is nasty, so just as well. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I'm not missing! I just hadn't uploaded yet, seeing as I have to be the one to actually perform the start.

Originally posted by Reverend Zombie:
Current roster of players:

Caelum (Norfleet)
Abyssia (Cohen)
Vanheim (Cainehill)
Jotunheim (Pirateiam)
R'lyeh (Vigabrand)
Pythium (Stormbinder)
Arcoscephale (Frosted Flake)
T'ien Ch'i (YellowCactus)
Marignon (Reverend Zombie)It appears that all unBanned parties are accounted for. We are ready to begin at Zombie's signal.

Cainehill

July 15th, 2004, 07:41 AM

Ah! Abysia! I hereby declare war on Abysia. Their heat offends my vanjarls and priests, and their deity offends me. I welcome friends or allies, but with grace given proximity, need none.

Vanheim

Norfleet

July 15th, 2004, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by Cainehill:
Ah! Abysia! I hereby declare war on Abysia. Their heat offends my vanjarls and priests, and their deity offends me. I welcome friends or allies, but with grace given proximity, need none.Uh, Cainehill. The game hasn't even *STARTED* yet. You don't even know where Cohen *IS*, let alone if you'll live long enough to meet him. Isn't it a bit premature?

Stormbinder

July 15th, 2004, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
It appears that all unBanned parties are accounted for. "Banned" parties?? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif You mean party who walked away in disgust? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Have fun boring everyone to death, imbecile. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Norfleet

July 15th, 2004, 11:43 AM

Aaaaaaaanyway, now that we have that thing out of the way, when do we start, Zombie?

Pirateiam

July 15th, 2004, 02:00 PM

Soon you will feel the Wrath of my Crone SC!

Lets Go! Lets Go! I am on vacation for 4 days and it is raining only one thing to do - Play Dominions!

Frosted Flake

July 15th, 2004, 03:14 PM

I've uploaded my god but lots of people havent

frosted flake

Norfleet

July 15th, 2004, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Frosted Flake:
I've uploaded my god but lots of people haventActually, there aren't lots of people who haven't....because everyone seems to be accounted for. All 8 pretenders that correspond to all 8 participating players are uploaded.

Reverend Zombie

July 16th, 2004, 02:28 AM

I have tweaked my router settings, and was wondering if someone could try connecting to the game up at zombie.dyndns.org, port 10000.

Thanks!

Norfleet

July 16th, 2004, 02:32 AM

THE SYSTEM IS DOWN!

No biscuit.

Norfleet

July 16th, 2004, 02:33 AM

So, uh, did you want to keep trying, or should we start the game on KludgeMUSH? Just give the word. All victims are accounted for.

Pirateiam

July 16th, 2004, 02:33 AM

Yep I just tried also. No go.

Reverend Zombie

July 16th, 2004, 03:42 AM

Proceed on kludgemush, let us.

I was just trying to get the damn thing to work for my own satisfaction.

Cainehill

July 16th, 2004, 03:45 AM

Could we just get it started? I mean - trying it on zombie.dyndns.org would mean waiting for _everyone_ to upload their pretenders there and all.

YellowCactus

July 16th, 2004, 03:52 AM

Yea Yea....All victims are....Wait a minute...I'm no Victim! I'm a n00b!

Reverend Zombie

July 16th, 2004, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by Cainehill:
Could we just get it started? I mean - trying it on zombie.dyndns.org would mean waiting for _everyone_ to upload their pretenders there and all. I agree 100%, I'm merely trying to have someone test my router as an amusing sideshow, not with the intent to host this game.

Norfleet

July 16th, 2004, 04:32 AM

The game has been started on 24h+QH as per original settings.

Begin playing at kludgemush.com 10629

Let the carnage begin!

Norfleet

July 16th, 2004, 09:57 PM

Attention Cohen and Vigabrand! It is currently your turn. You have about 7 hours remaining. Let's get a move on it, ladies!

Reverend Zombie

July 16th, 2004, 10:08 PM

test complete

[ July 16, 2004, 21:19: Message edited by: Reverend Zombie ]

Norfleet

July 17th, 2004, 03:40 AM

To avoid having a turn-1 stale, I've reset the timer with 55 minutes to go as Vigabrand(R'lyeh) appears to not have taken his turn, although we know he's around here somewhere.

I'm going to send him a nasty PM, and if I see him on the forums again without him taking his turn, he'll be allowed to stale.

vigabrand

July 17th, 2004, 04:23 AM

Sorry guys, I wasn't paying attention (didn't see the thread bumping). I've played my first two turns.

Vig

Norfleet

July 18th, 2004, 07:08 AM

Currently waiting on: Marignon.

Let's get a move on it, ladies!

Norfleet

July 19th, 2004, 08:55 PM

Currently waiting on: Marignon, R'lyeh.

Chop-chop, ladies!

vigabrand

July 19th, 2004, 10:12 PM

Gonna be about an hour or so, don't get home from work till then.

Vig

July 19th, 2004, 10:37 PM

Just a little note Vigabrand: Your avatar has been broke, for about a week or so now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Might want to fix it.

Cainehill

July 23rd, 2004, 04:52 PM

And Jotunheim (PirateIam) staled.

Norfleet

July 23rd, 2004, 07:06 PM

He's been known to do that from time to time. This first stale, we'll just slap him about with a large trout.

Pirateiam

July 23rd, 2004, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
He's been known to do that from time to time. This first stale, we'll just slap him about with a large trout. LOL Sometimes us pirates find ourselves drunken in far off places. Which takes us awhile to get back home! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I look at stales as a way to save up money for those big ticket items! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ July 23, 2004, 18:29: Message edited by: Pirateiam ]

YellowCactus

July 23rd, 2004, 11:17 PM

Word-Up Mr. Pirate!
I've got pirate tendancies as well, so don't feel bad!
Yc

Stormbinder

July 30th, 2004, 08:36 PM

Greetings all.

I will ressurect this thread for you to ask you a question. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Now that you have played it for some time, what do you think about Zen's Cradle map? Is this edition well suited for MP? Do you like it? Does Caelum stil have large advantage over other races even after Zen's modifications, or was it mostly fixed with this edition?

I am thinking of using Zen's Cradle for my next game. However since I haven't played it myself yet in MP, I would be interested to know your opinions about it. Norfleet do not need to bother to post, since I know his opinion already. What other players think?

[ July 30, 2004, 20:02: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Cainehill

July 31st, 2004, 01:34 AM

As I mentioned, I think Zen went too far in clearing up bottlenecks that were part of what made Cradle so grand.

Tweaking the land types was fine, as that gave various armies some use of their strategic movement, but the many added neighbors removes the choke points that were of strategic interest.

In addition, it seems that the map may be _too_ rich now; 14 provinces generating over 1000 gold a turn might be considered high.

July 31st, 2004, 04:02 AM

Oh Please! One swamp area on the right that had terrain pattern of swamp/forest that noone, except for fliers (Hello Caelum) could move more than one province a turn for 3 consecutive provinces?

Maybe I just don't see the point of having bottlenecks that don't allow some sort of advantage. Also the bottleneck in question has one single province that is the central connection from both sides so a castle there, will limit movement of enemies but still allow people to forward field.

As for the 14 provinces and 1000+ gold, depending on the provinces (if you got one of the sweet areas and all of them were the large ones, near the top and along the right) that should be obtainable. Considering that each patch of 'good high income provinces' is beside a big patch of 'thematic TERRAIN provinces'. So unless you are playing just a few nations on a 200+ nation map and each person controls vast areas of connective land between terrain types, those lands should be a heavy point of contention.

Of course you're entitled to opinion and play preference. But blood nations are no longer crippled and thus allows options that were not able on the previous original Cradle map and this Version of Cradle does not make swamps "something I have to control in order to get to these other good lands and have to slog through unless I have fliers" and instead makes them just as key strategically and economically as others.

Before you decry the adjusted bottlenecks, I'd suggest playing C'tis at/around those swamp areas and see if they are fitting as opposed to "With Pangaea there are not enough bottlenecks because they have Forest Survival" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[ July 31, 2004, 03:04: Message edited by: Zen ]

Cainehill

July 31st, 2004, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by Zen:
Oh Please! One swamp area on the right that had terrain pattern of swamp/forest that noone, except for fliers (Hello Caelum) could move more than one province a turn for 3 consecutive provinces?
Zen - clicking around, I spot 3 separate chokepoints that you added neighbors to. There may be others.

As far as the swamps go - that's an issue for Illwinter imo. My feeling is that there are plenty of maps that have few or no bottlenecks, while the original Cradle had a unique play and feel. (Some other new ones have some impassable terrain features, but are, IMO, somewhat illconsidered.)

Now, of course we all still have the original Cradle map, so it's not like I'm saying that you broke the map. But he asked people's opinions of what you'd done. I gave mine. Is there a problem with this?

Of course, I didn't see anything to not like about the original Cradle, aside from the fact that Caelum probably shouldn't be allowed as a nation on it. If blood nations were crippled on it (which is quite possible), well - that and Caelum were in my opinion the only imbalances with the map (once neighbors had been fixed and provinces #nostarted).

And if blood nations were crippled - so much the better, given that the blood nations have such a huge advantage in any magic site poor game.

Stormbinder

July 31st, 2004, 07:52 PM

All right, thank you.

Anybody else could post thier opinion? In particular, I would like to know what you guys think about Caelum on this map - I am thinking if perhaps I should ban that nation from my Zen's Cradle game, in case if it is still overpowered in MP on this map, or it is ok now with Zen's modification to province types and connections between provinces.

Thanks,
Stormbinder

Norfleet

August 1st, 2004, 12:45 AM

Arcoscephale (Frosted Flake) appears to be MIA. 3 hours remain before he stales.

Cainehill

August 1st, 2004, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Arcoscephale (Frosted Flake) appears to be MIA. 3 hours remain before he stales. He's ... flaking out on the weekend? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Norfleet

August 2nd, 2004, 04:52 AM

The Pirate appears to be missing again, and looks to have staled his Last turn.

Pirateiam

August 2nd, 2004, 05:31 AM

Yeah sorry the winds were not cooperating so I did not get back to land until 2 hours after the deadline. The weather was just too nice to pass up on sailing this weekend. Just as well for Cohen (Abysia) since I missed my chance to kill his pretendar. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Cainehill

August 2nd, 2004, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by Pirateiam:
Yeah sorry the winds were not cooperating so I did not get back to land until 2 hours after the deadline. The weather was just too nice to pass up on sailing this weekend. Just as well for Cohen (Abysia) since I missed my chance to kill his pretendar. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif I've been watching and wondering how long you were going to sit there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Looks like I don't get to kill Cohen this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Frosted Flake

August 3rd, 2004, 01:40 AM

He was most indignant that his laptop would not connect to his hotel room isp (weird always has before) and sufferred much loss..grrr

frosted flake

Norfleet

August 3rd, 2004, 01:50 AM

Is Miss Pirate out at sea again? You're Last! Get a move on it!

Pirateiam

August 3rd, 2004, 12:11 PM

Grrrrrr.... I keep missing turns by 1 hr. Actually I will call it my new strategy - Possum. I act like I am dead in the water then spring the trap. Anyone see Master and Commander? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Norfleet

August 9th, 2004, 07:06 PM

I will be indefinitely leaving Dominions II and will not be able to complete this game. If you wish to continue this game in my absence, I will leave it running on the server, dole out my liquid assets, and go AI within a turn or two. If you wish to terminate the game, I will do so. If somebody wishes to take over hosting, as I will not be around to check on any problems, inform me immediately and I will have the game tar.gz'ed and sent to you.

Sheap

August 9th, 2004, 07:15 PM

I'll take over the hosting for the games Norfleet was running if no one who is already involved with the game is able/willing to handle it.

Stormbinder

August 9th, 2004, 07:53 PM

Don't say I didn't warn you guys about this cheater, when you have decided to move to his server.

If it helps, I've heard that there was a free slot on the Mose's server earlier today. Perhaps you could use it for you game, and ask Mose to help you to set up the game so you could continue?

Regards,
Stormbinder

Maltrease

August 9th, 2004, 08:03 PM

The Pain of humans game is ending on mose. So there will be at least 1 additional slot free when Rabulous (sp) ends the game.

vigabrand

August 9th, 2004, 08:15 PM

Don't you think that was a little uncalled for Storm? I don't know his problem, but it doesn't seem typical of Norf to bail on a game, kinda looks like he was doing well.

Vig

Stormbinder

August 9th, 2004, 08:25 PM

Oh, you haven't seen it than. Check this today's thread:

http://forum.shrapnegames.com/showthread.php?=283624&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5& fpart=3&vc=1&o=&PHPSESSID=

It will explains while Norlfeet is leaving Dom2 community in such a hurry. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

JJ_Colorado

August 9th, 2004, 08:27 PM

Norfleet - sorry to hear you are leaving Dom2. While I don't necessarily "like" you (I'm sure you don't care) and I don't think your spy tactics in the game against Stormbinder (which were detailed ad nauseum in a thread) were ethical....I do think that you were probably the most knowledgable, responsive, and helpful person on this board in general. Thanks for the responses, help, and for answering what probably seemed like silly questions over and over.

Anyway, I hope you decide to return to DOM2 at some point. I don't think most people bought the "Stormbinder Inquisition" thing...it seemed like you were being unecessarily hassled most of the time.

Cheers,
John

Norfleet

August 9th, 2004, 08:27 PM

Don't you think that was a little uncalled for Storm? I don't know his problem, but it doesn't seem typical of Norf to bail on a game, kinda looks like he was doing well.

I'm doing reasonably well, but that's not the reason I have for leaving. Because of a string of fortuitous, or perhaps not so, events, regarding other games, I have decided it is best for everyone if I leave Dominions II for an indefinite length of time, rather than have more games thrown into question of whether or not events that transpire constitute cheating or not. Frankly, I was starting to get a little exhausted with Dom2, anyway. While I normally don't cut and bail from games, especially not when losing, I don't happen to be losing here, and this is why I am cutting it loose.

If people prefer, I can keep going for a few more days until I have de-sensitized the password I am using, and then dump the game on a sub. Normally, I don't give out passwords, but since I'm pulling out of all Dominions II games, the password no longer possesses value.

vigabrand

August 9th, 2004, 08:33 PM

Oh, you haven't seen it than. Check this thread:

It will explains while Norlfeet is leaving Dom2 community in such a hurry. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

http://forum.shrapnegames.com/showthread.php?=283624&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5& fpart=3&vc=1&o=&PHPSESSID=

Hmm, I did not see that. That is not cool.

Stormbinder

August 9th, 2004, 08:35 PM

I am sorry JJ_Colorado.

I didn't relize that a lot of people haven't seen that thread. Norfleet have been officialy busted for his blatant cheating in our MP, and Illwinter themself confirmed it. He had 4800 gems worth of stuff on turn 23 as Ermor in our game, while haveing no gem income whatsoever. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif We have send all files to Illwinter and they are working on it right now.

Read the thread I've posted for more details.

And don't worry about appology to me after you done, I understand why you may feel this way if you haven't read the today's tread that I just posted link to. I should include it in my original message. I guess I was tooinvolved in it and assumed that by now everybody have already seen it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif My own mistake.

Regards,
Stormbinder

JJ_Colorado

August 9th, 2004, 11:12 PM

WOW! That is pretty compelling evidence. I don't want to play in a game w/ Norfleet. Turn 22 and he had that much stuff? That is keeeeerazy.

John

vigabrand

August 10th, 2004, 05:48 PM

So what are we doing with this game?

Reverend Zombie

August 10th, 2004, 05:51 PM

So what are we doing with this game?

Keep playing till we find a new home, I say.

Pirateiam

August 10th, 2004, 06:42 PM

Well I am done playing Dom II for a while. I have played in many games with Norfleet and spent way to much time trying to figure out strategies against him and all were but a waste of my time. I feel insulted and somewhat foolish. I have been playing strategy games for 20+ years and have seen this happen over and over. I just had hoped (very naive) that this community was immune, since it seemed to have a more intelligent and mature group of gamers involved. Sadly the cycle repeats itself and yet another game that I loved in multiplayer is tainted by cheaters.

YellowCactus

August 10th, 2004, 06:46 PM

You'll Always be my favorite Pirate!
Yc
-I wish this game would continue. Wars are breaking out in the south and Norfleet has NOTHING to do with our good clean blood-letting!

Sheap

August 10th, 2004, 07:11 PM

Seems like a heck of a time to quit, now that the cheater is exposed. I'd think you'd be ready to try a fair game.

Pirateiam

August 10th, 2004, 07:18 PM

Seems like a heck of a time to quit, now that the cheater is exposed. I'd think you'd be ready to try a fair game.

Unfortunately from my experience once cheating is "out of the bag" more cheaters emerge since they know it can be done. I am sure I will be back, but for now I will just let the smoke clear for a while.

vigabrand

August 10th, 2004, 07:31 PM

I'd like to get a resolution on this game soon. So far Norfleet has not gone comp controlled, and I'm sure some would have a problem with that.

Reverend Zombie

August 11th, 2004, 01:14 PM

I'd like to get a resolution on this game soon. So far Norfleet has not gone comp controlled, and I'm sure some would have a problem with that.

Was anyone at war with Caelum?

Norfleet

August 11th, 2004, 02:59 PM

I seem to have forgotten to upload. It's done now.

No, nobody is at war with me. If somebody would now like to take hosting off my hands, I can have it tar.gzed like the other games and put up for you to download.

Sheap

August 11th, 2004, 03:39 PM

I'm willing to host this game as with others if no one else wants to do it.

vigabrand

August 11th, 2004, 05:49 PM

I say go for it sheap, let us know when you are good to go.

Vig

Norfleet

August 11th, 2004, 09:40 PM

I have sent the relevant information for how to acquire the game to Sheap. The game has been shutdown. Once he takes them off my hands, I will burn my copy of them and wash my hands of this entire affair. This was the Last of the Dom2 games I'm still involved with.

Sheap

August 12th, 2004, 12:31 AM

Unfortunately I'm not able to download anything from the location Norfleet sent me. I get 404 not found.

Norfleet

August 12th, 2004, 01:17 AM

Try again? I fixed the file permissions. It should work now.

Sheap

August 12th, 2004, 01:20 AM

I was able to download the files. I'll put the server up soon.

Norfleet

August 12th, 2004, 01:30 AM

Good to know. My work here is done. Good bye to all, good luck to some, and good riddance to the rest.

Adios, muchachos.

Sheap

August 13th, 2004, 04:23 AM

OK, game is working finally on my server. See this thread:

http://forum.shrapnegames.com/showthread.php?=285068&page=0&view=collapsed

YellowCactus

August 14th, 2004, 12:17 AM

I was drunk and grumpy Last night....
-Yc

Reverend Zombie

August 16th, 2004, 10:25 PM

Whatever happened to the timer for this game? We seem to be on "quickhost only" and and right now, R'lyeh is holding up the works.

Cainehill

August 16th, 2004, 11:01 PM

Yeh, something seems to have happened to Vigabrand. To quote Norfleet, "Vigabrand must have died." http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Sheap

August 17th, 2004, 03:18 AM

I'll forcehost this turn. Should it be 24h quickhost, 48h quickhost or something else?

Sheap

August 17th, 2004, 03:20 AM

Upon further review by the replay official, Rlyeh played their own turn.

But still, what should the server setting be http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Cainehill

August 17th, 2004, 03:52 AM

Well, the original settings were 24 QH - as the game's founder said, "if you can't keep up, don't join".

That said, it wouldn't cause me any pain if we went to something like 48 hour QH, or 36 QH, something like that, at this point in the game.

vigabrand

August 17th, 2004, 03:27 PM

Sorry guys, didn't get home till almost midnight. BTW is anyone else at war with the evil Caelum empire?

Vig

Reverend Zombie

August 20th, 2004, 06:03 PM

Well, we're down to just three humans vs. (at least) 3 AIs, (Jotuns, Caelum and now T'ien Ch'i have all quit).

I am wondering how interested everyone is in playing this one out to the end?

I am always willing to play to the bitter end, but are we getting to the point where this one is just silly to continue with so many AIs, so few humans?

vigabrand

August 20th, 2004, 08:52 PM

I don't really have any hope of winning any ways. I'd be up for just ending it, if you guys do.

Vig

Reverend Zombie

August 20th, 2004, 10:37 PM

vigabrand said:
I don't really have any hope of winning any ways. I'd be up for just ending it, if you guys do.

Vig

...and I expect to Last about as long as it takes for AI T'ien Ch'i to decide to attack me...

Frosted Flake

August 20th, 2004, 11:09 PM

Fine by me

frosted flake/arco

Cainehill

August 21st, 2004, 10:44 AM

If you're willing to keep going, so am I - I have hopes of being able to take out the Caelum that Norfleet bequeathed us, and it's otherwise still interesting for me, albeit sad that so many people went AI with functional nations.

Edit:

Jotunheim went AI? I didn't notice the player giving any notice; this means our NAP is off. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

About T'ien C'hi : I can maybe help distract them, give them something else to attack by going after them.

*sigh* It _really_ sucks that TC and Jotunheim went AI when their nations were pretty strong and functional.

Reverend Zombie

August 21st, 2004, 11:09 AM

Cainehill said:
If you're willing to keep going, so am I - I have hopes of being able to take out the Caelum that Norfleet bequeathed us, and it's otherwise still interesting for me, albeit sad that so many people went AI with functional nations.

Edit:

Jotunheim went AI? I didn't notice the player giving any notice; this means our NAP is off. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

About T'ien C'hi : I can maybe help distract them, give them something else to attack by going after them.

*sigh* It _really_ sucks that TC and Jotunheim went AI when their nations were pretty strong and functional.

The Jotuns were played by Pirateiam, IIRC, and I think he pulled out of all his games after the Norfleet debacle.

I am game for continuing if for no other reason than I am having fun playing around with my summons and trying to make some decent SCs.