Strange demo bugs? Utgard = Smouldercone?

[Gavinfox]

Heya, is there any way to upgrade the demo beyond 2.08? Cause when I choose the Jutun theme "Utgard", it gives me the Smouldercone in my main province. >,> Talk about useless for cold 2... Is there a fix to this? I'm running win98. Thanks!

[Arryn]

You must run a v2.11 or higher demo, and start a new game.

EDIT: The Utgard theme was broken in patch 2.08; it's a known bug.

[ July 22, 2004, 03:03: Message edited by: Arryn ]

[Gavinfox]

Thanks, where do I find a later demo for windows?

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Gavinfox:
Thanks, where do I find a later demo for windows? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Is there one? I wasn't aware they kept the demo up to date anymore.

[Arryn]

I'm not sure what the current Version of the demo on IW's download page (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Illwinter/d2/6.htm) is.

[ July 22, 2004, 03:07: Message edited by: Arryn ]

[Gavinfox]

That's 2.08, what I'm now running. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I remember some time ago, I didnt have this bug. Then it cropped up. I deleted the game and the folder, and reinstalled, but its still here.

Wierd.

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Gavinfox:
Thanks, where do I find a later demo for windows? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Is there one? I wasn't aware they kept the demo up to date anymore. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The demo was updated from 2.06 to 2.08 (thus breaking it) when patch 2.08 was released. I *assumed* that IW would likewise update their demo to 2.11 (and then 2.12). If not, people need to scream at IW ...

[Gavinfox]

Well, where can I find mods that will work on the demo that are some "suggested" mods? Especially for a newbie like me? Things to help with the interface or things that are just useful...

[Arryn]

There are no mods that tweak the UI. IW has not exposed the UI to modding. I doubt they could even if they wanted to (and IW's programmer hates UI coding).

You can try these locations for mods:

IW's mods page (http://www.illwinter.com/dom2/mods.html)

my downloads page (http://www.dominions-2.org/files.htm)

[Gavinfox]

*sighs* so no one knows where i could find a better Version of the demo?

I've been reading your AAR, Ms. Arryn, and I fancy tracing your steps with my own Utgard map, in order to figure out the hows and whys you do the things you did, to better understand this game...

Unfortunately, I cant do that with a broken demo...

>,>

Oy vey...

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Gavinfox:
I've been reading your AAR, Ms. Arryn, and I fancy tracing your steps with my own Utgard map, in order to figure out the hows and whys you do the things you did, to better understand this game...

Unfortunately, I cant do that with a broken demo...<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm flattered, thanks. Might I suggest the obvious? Buy the game ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Gavinfox]

I've got two words for you: Credit Cards.

I will, after a paycheck or two, be able to pay off my (not significant, but unsettling nonetheless) credit card debt, and be able to buy this game. However, I havent reached that point...

[Arryn]

Ack. Paying off credit card debt is Un-American! You're supposed to rack up thousands (tens of thousands is even better) of dollars of debt, then declare bankruptcy, sticking it to all other credit card Users (those who haven't yet figured out how this pyramid scheme is supposed to work) in the form of higher interest and fees. Or, if you are one of those rare people with a conscience and sense of personal responsibility (shame on you), remain in debt up to your eyebrows for life, paying obscene amounts of interest all the while. Debt makes the economy work. After all, if it's good for the U.S. government, it must be good for individual citizens too, right?

Just remember: debit cards and cash are a communist plot, and tools of the devil.

[Arryn]

I've located a copy of the original, v2.02 demo, in case anyone's interested in my making it available. I've had no luck finding the v2.06 demo.

I fail to understand why IW hasn't updated the demo to the 2.12 level. It's bad PR to have a demo out there with a known, major bug such as a totally broken theme; a bug that doesn't exist in any other Version except 2.08.

[KroolDeath]

I used 2.02 to test the game, which I thought was the only one on the main Shrapnel page.

Krool

[Arryn]

Originally posted by KroolDeath:
I used 2.02 to test the game, which I thought was the only one on the main Shrapnel page.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The demo Version on Shrapnel's site is 2.08 (the Version with a broken Utgard theme). The 2.02 and 2.06 demos don't have that particular bug, though of course they have (plenty of) other bugs that have since been fixed.

[KroolDeath]

Yea, you know, I downloaded this a few months ago, so that would probably make sense why I have 2.02. I actually had put it down because of complexity and a lack of understanding what was going on but picked it back up after checking out the forums. Am I glad I did. Awesome game.

Krool

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Arryn:
I've located a copy of the original, v2.02 demo, in case anyone's interested in my making it available. I've had no luck finding the v2.06 demo.

I fail to understand why IW hasn't updated the demo to the 2.12 level. It's bad PR to have a demo out there with a known, major bug such as a totally broken theme; a bug that doesn't exist in any other Version except 2.08. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If nothing else, you'd think they'd update the demo to hide the broken theme, but Illwinter doesn't seem to believe in putting out tiny incremental releases that simply fix a glaring bug without adding anything else.

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
Illwinter doesn't seem to believe in putting out tiny incremental releases that simply fix a glaring bug without adding anything else. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, I noticed that. IW found the bug (and cure) within minutes of 2.08's release, yet it took them 2 months to come out with the fix in the form of the 2.11 patch. Sigh. IW could learn a few things from Blizzard, Stardock, Panther Games, and even Sony with regards to the usefulness of quick fixes. (Well, so long as they don't pick up any of Sony's monumentally bad customer service habits while they're at it.)

[The_Tauren13]

Ack. Paying off credit card debt is Un-American! You're supposed to rack up thousands (tens of thousands is even better) of dollars of debt, then declare bankruptcy, sticking it to all other credit card Users (those who haven't yet figured out how this pyramid scheme is supposed to work) in the form of higher interest and fees. Or, if you are one of those rare people with a conscience and sense of personal responsibility (shame on you), remain in debt up to your eyebrows for life, paying obscene amounts of interest all the while. Debt makes the economy work. After all, if it's good for the U.S. government, it must be good for individual citizens too, right?

Just remember: debit cards and cash are a communist plot, and tools of the devil <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif i love it
ill bear that in mind next time i want to buy something http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Gavinfox]

Is it possible to load a mod in the Demo? How would I do that? Perhaps the Arcoscephale mod? How would I load and play that with the demo? Thanks!

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Gavinfox:
Is it possible to load a mod in the Demo?<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">IIRC, no.

[Gavinfox]

Arryn, where was that 2.02 demo?

[ July 24, 2004, 21:52: Message edited by: Gavinfox ]

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Gavinfox:
Arryn, where was that 2.02 demo? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Try this link (http://www.gamershell.com/download_3931.shtml?q=Dominions+demo). If you have any problems getting it from them I can upload it to my own site.

EDIT: if anyone out there has an installable copy of the v2.06 demo, please let me know. I'd like to be able to host it on my site. Thanks.

[ July 24, 2004, 22:03: Message edited by: Arryn ]