MP Game - Anyone interested in a *really* slow game? *full and running**

[Karacan]

I was thinking about something like 96h with quickhost, so that it *can* be fast while at the same time everyone gets the chance to take of a weekend.

However, such a game would take quite a while to complete, and I'd find it unfair to block a space on Mosehansen (not that there's a chance of one being free, anyway), and I for one do not have the resources leaving my computer run Online for the next year.

Nevertheless, if enough people are interested, we're certainly going to find a suitable server. Even if that means risking Norfleet giving the game a snarky name. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ August 06, 2004, 16:14: Message edited by: Zen ]

[littlemute]

I have so little time for gaming, I'd be into this.

[Cainehill]

I'd be interested, depending on the size of the map and amount of house rules.

[Cheezeninja]

i too would be interested. I find myself staling at least one turn per 2 weeks in my 24h quickhost games because of the requirement for frequent binge drinking when your enlisted in the military.


On a completely unrelated topic, Im never drinking again! Or at least probably not for the rest of this week.

[Mark the Merciful]

I'm interested! I really want to try a new race, but I'm in several games already, so this would be ideal in letting me do so without overloading.

[Chazar]

I'm very interested in a slow paced game! Actually I had asked here for 99h-QH game before...and it turned into 24h-NQH http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

EDIT: Oh, and I would prefer a smaller map fitting the number of players, but I would also take part with a big map...

[ July 22, 2004, 22:07: Message edited by: Chazar ]

[YellowCactus]

If you Promise to keep it slow!
I would like to play as any power.
-Yc

[Karacan]

Yes, definitely keeping it slow, and 96h quickhost from the beginning, with no alteration whatsoever.

I am personally offended by most houserules, but here's my suggestion for general guidelines:

Open diplomacy via email allowed, if a player is observed stalling two consecutive turns (that's at least 192 hours), he's turned AI via a masterpassword unless he notifies the rest.

Standard research, common events, indeps 6, no starting positions, victory by vp with a nice scattering of 1-3vp provinces.

These are my suggestions. However, short on time as I am, I'd loath to organize it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif And, as I said, I can't really provide a server. Anyone stepping forward voluntarily?

[PvK]

It could be PBEM, so the host just needs an email account.

PvK

[KroolDeath]

I'd be interested as well.

Krool

[Vicious Love]

Well, I'm in, if you don't mind my total n00bity. I've only played two multiplayer games thus far, against even ranker amateurs than myself.
PbeM sounds like the logical thing to do.

[Chazar]

PBEM is ok for me, but that would certainly disable quickhosting for getting it started... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Anyway, I'd like to play for Caelum if nobody else objects.

What map?

[Esben Mose Hansen]

I would also like to join --- perhaps trying my hand at Arco again?

Using my server would be fine IMHO --- especially if everybody agrees to turn AI before quitting and the game is on quickhost.

Just say the word and I'll take the first slot that I see...

As for the map let me propose urgaia... let it be bloody!

[Cainehill]

Or we could ask Norfleet for hosting and a nice snarky name like "We're Not Dead, Just Veryyy Slow". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I suggest this because it can take quite some time for one of your slots to come open, Esben - a sign of its popularity. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Karacan]

Well, I didn't want to hog your server for a year. But if you're in yourself, well, that'd be a great solution.

I already play two pbem games at the moment, and even as a player, pbem games tend to add micromanagement. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif And I rather like quickhosting, given that the time interval is big enough.

I am comfortable with Urgaia, and would choose the squishies if anyone else plays Atlantis (else I'd propose to stick to land-based nations to keep it bloody). My land-based choice would be Marignon.

[liga]

there is a place for a Lizard King ? I would like to try C'tis in a MP game.

Liga

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
Or we could ask Norfleet for hosting and a nice snarky name like "We're Not Dead, Just Veryyy Slow". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I suggest this because it can take quite some time for one of your slots to come open, Esben - a sign of its popularity. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">There are quite often free slots, actually, they just doesn't Last very long.

Look for Glacier on the server. Since noone managed to propose another map it is current urgaia. We can probably change it :-D

[Chazar]

11 on urgaia? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Huh, that might be a bit too tight, no?

Anyway I will upload my pretender tomorrow... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Pickles]

"11 on urgaia? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Huh, that might be a bit too tight, no? "

If you do switch to a larger map could you fit 12 not 11?

Pickles
Proposing to be Abysia

[Cainehill]

Well, we could fit 12 into Urgaia just as easily as 11, since some people will probably start with a capital right next to theirs anyway - a real brawl. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (It's possible to manually fit 11 or 12 into Urgaia so that there's a province between each capital, but random placement is unlikely to manage it well.)

Erm - Urgaia is probably just a _bit_ small. Cradle of Zen (or regular Cradle) would be better, as would Parganos, or Karan, or Inland, or Arduria, or hey! Theater of War!

Or we could go with the 17 province test map, if we _really_ want a brawl. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Cheezeninja:
i too would be interested. I find myself staling at least one turn per 2 weeks in my 24h quickhost games because of the requirement for frequent binge drinking when your enlisted in the military.


On a completely unrelated topic, Im never drinking again! Or at least probably not for the rest of this week. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Binge drinking? In the Marines, it was constant drinking, none of this uneven binge drinking. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

And it wasn't the drinking I minded, it was only the hangovers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Mark the Merciful]

I'll take Vanheim.

Are we really playing on Urgaia?

[Daynarr]

What nations are free?

[Cainehill]

I'll take ... Man.

(And as far as what nations are left, no one has compiled a list yet; I recall that Vanheim, Arco and C'tis are gone, now Man, not sure the others.)

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Since everybody can edit anybody's post, I suggest we use this post to keep track of participants AND a map vote. So, edit this post to cast your vote and/or reserve a nation:

Maps: (write your name besides the map you prefer; you may add new maps. In case of parity Esbens wife will draw lots http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )
Theator of War: Cainehill
Urgaia: Esben

Nations:
Arco: esben
Caeulum: chazor
C'tis: liga
Man: Cainehill
Vanheim: Mark the Merciful

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Esben Mose Hansen:
Since everybody can edit anybody's post, I suggest we use this post to keep track of participants AND a map vote. So, edit this post to cast your vote and/or reserve a nation:
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Eh - only Moderators can edit someone else's post.

At the bottom of each post is if the Post has been edited and by who (including Moderators).

I don't know what you are saying or if I'm misunderstanding you Ebsen, but noone can edit anyone elses post except Moderators and when I do, I put a little note saying that I edited it and usually a reason.

[Pickles]

Maps: (write your name besides the map you prefer; you may add new maps.

Theator of War: Cainehill
Urgaia: Esben
any: pickles


Nations:
Arco: esben
Caeulum: chazor
C'tis: liga
Man: Cainehill
Vanheim: Mark the Merciful
Abysia: Pickles

This is not what you meant is it?

[Pickles]

DP

[ July 23, 2004, 18:18: Message edited by: Pickles ]

[Daynarr]

I'll choose Ulm.

Is Glacier the name of the game on Mosehansen?

There seems to be a lot of people interested in the game but they didn't choose any nation. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Karacan]

Maps: (write your name besides the map you prefer; you may add new maps.

Theator of War: Cainehill
Urgaia: Esben
Karan: Karacan
any: pickles


Nations:
Arco: esben
Caelum: chazor
C'tis: liga
Man: Cainehill
Vanheim: Mark the Merciful
Abysia: Pickles
Ulm: Daynarr
R'lyeh: Karacan

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Daynarr:
I'll choose Ulm.

Is Glacier the name of the game on Mosehansen?

There seems to be a lot of people interested in the game but they didn't choose any nation. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I don't think most people expected the game to get started so quickly, and since there hadn't even been a map decided on.... *shrug* Picking a nation and pretender for 12 players on a 60 province map is hugely different from 12 on a 220 size map.

[YellowCactus]

Machaka with any map
-YellowCactus

[wolfkinsov]

I would like a slow game as Pan if it is still open. I am also open on map. Probably not going to check this website until Monday but I will try.

[Vicious Love]

Abysia and Broken Empire Ermor both sound good. I'm willing to get second dibs on one of the two. No real preference.

Update: Second the bigger map suggestion. Granted, the game would NEVER END, even with VP based victory conditions, but at least nobody'd get eliminated within the first four or five turns.

Updated update: If we do end up going for an Orania-sized map, I'll be Mictlan.


You heard me.

Yet another update: Whoops, didn't notice Abysia was taken. Ermor or Mictlan it is, then.

[ July 24, 2004, 03:07: Message edited by: Vicious Love ]

[Cheezeninja]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Cheezeninja:
i too would be interested. I find myself staling at least one turn per 2 weeks in my 24h quickhost games because of the requirement for frequent binge drinking when your enlisted in the military.


On a completely unrelated topic, Im never drinking again! Or at least probably not for the rest of this week. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Binge drinking? In the Marines, it was constant drinking, none of this uneven binge drinking. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

And it wasn't the drinking I minded, it was only the hangovers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">ahhh that must have been the 'old corps' because nowadays the Marine Corps has instituted a strict unofficial policy of light social drinking mixed with scheduled attempts to completely overload your liver. Its all very sophisticated http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I'd like to take Ermor, if Vicious Love is willing to take Mictlan.

[ July 24, 2004, 03:18: Message edited by: Cheezeninja ]

[rabelais]

I'd like Marignon, if it's available, and there's room.

OTOH, If we go with caps=provs I'd like the jotuns, please http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif


Rabe

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Everybody: Please update this post instead of posting your nation randomly. I've collected what I could from the thread, but two players have stated multiple preferences (rabaleis and viciuos something). Also, please vote map.

And please reconsider the large maps. Being eliminated isn't so bad, you can just join another game. But becoming an insignificant byplayer is not much fun, and many will drop out if that happens. So, please, please, not Orania. Urgaia may be too tight, but Orania is HUGE.

Maps: (write your name besides the map you prefer; you may add new maps.

Theator of War: Cainehill
Urgaia: Esben
Karan: Karacan
any: pickles

Nations:
Abysia: Pickles
Arco: esben
Caelum: chazor
C'tis: liga
Machaka: Yellow Cactus
Man: Cainehill
Pangaea: wolfkinsov
R'lyeh: Karacan [/QB][/QUOTE]
Ulm: Daynarr
Vanheim: Mark the Merciful

[rabelais]

I was kidding about the jotuns, it was just a weenie-rush joke.

Marignon is what I'd like to play, if it hasn't been claimed, and the desired player density allows for it.

In other news, I'm not sure how to edit Posts other than my own... I'm fairly sure I can't, since I would have begun altering Posts months ago, ... (Post something cuddly under Norfleet's moniker?) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif


Rabe the guy who can't restart Pain of Human for lack of space. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Well, then copy my note http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Daynarr]

Maps: (write your name besides the map you prefer; you may add new maps)

Theater of War: Cainehill
Urgaia: Esben
Karan: Karacan, Daynarr
any: pickles

Nations:
Abysia: Pickles
Arco: esben
Caelum: chazor
C'tis: liga
Machaka: Yellow Cactus
Man: Cainehill
Pangaea: wolfkinsov
R'lyeh: Karacan
Ulm: Daynarr
Vanheim: Mark the Merciful
Marignon: rebelais

Edit: Mose's typos http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[ July 24, 2004, 10:23: Message edited by: Daynarr ]

[Chazar]

And please reconsider the large maps. Being eliminated isn't so bad, you can just join another game. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I've waited for slow paced game for so long - and I dont see the point in being eliminated randomly in an instance. Therefore I vote for a map bigger than Urgaia...any map with around 10-20 provinces per player would be fine for me...


Maps:
(write your name besides the map you prefer; you may add new maps.)

Theater of War: Cainehill
Urgaia: Esben
Karan: Karacan, Daynarr, Chazar
Parganos: Chazar
Arduria: Chazar
any: pickles

Nations:
Abysia: Pickles
Arco: esben
Caelum: Chazar
C'tis: liga
Machaka: Yellow Cactus
Man: Cainehill
Pangaea: wolfkinsov
R'lyeh: Karacan
Ulm: Daynarr
Vanheim: Mark the Merciful
Marignon: rabelais


(Edit: Updated to include Daynarr's post, who posted simultaneously with me)

[ July 24, 2004, 11:00: Message edited by: Chazar ]

[Mark the Merciful]

Originally posted by Chazar:

Maps:
(write your name besides the map you prefer; you may add new maps.)

Theater of War: Cainehill
Urgaia: Esben
Karan: Karacan, Daynarr, Chazar
Parganos: Chazar
Arduria: Chazar
any: pickles, Mark the Merciful

Nations:
Abysia: Pickles
Arco: esben
Caelum: Chazar
C'tis: liga
Machaka: Yellow Cactus
Man: Cainehill
Pangaea: wolfkinsov
R'lyeh: Karacan
Ulm: Daynarr
Vanheim: Mark the Merciful
Marignon: rabelais


<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'd like to express a more useful preference, but I don't know the maps well enough (I've only played on three of them). I'm quite happy with a small map, just not quite as small as Urgaia!

[ July 24, 2004, 14:15: Message edited by: Mark the Merciful ]

[Karacan]

So, this leaves three spots open. Cheezeninja, KroolDeath and littlemute all announced interest in the beginning of the thread. What's your preferred nations?

Unclaimed nations are: Atlantis, Pythium and Jotunheim.

Since it looks like we use Karan, my suggested VP spread: 15 vps for victory, capital vp, 10 1-vp-provinces, 5 2-vp-provinces, 2 3-vp-provinces.

Maybe cut down to 12 vps for victory. I like hotspots. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Originally posted by Karacan:

Since it looks like we use Karan, my suggested VP spread: 15 vps for victory, capital vp, 10 1-vp-provinces, 5 2-vp-provinces, 2 3-vp-provinces.

Maybe cut down to 12 vps for victory. I like hotspots. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">We cannot make 2 and 3-vp provinces http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

So the closet we can get to your suggestion is 25VP (the max!)+captital VP (11--14extra). That's close to 40 VP. So 12--15 victory points to win seems reasonable to me. Any other comment? Otherwise I'll roll a D4 and add it to 11 to get the number victory points to win http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I've sent private Messages to the players you mentioned, asking them to pick a nation if they wish.

[ July 24, 2004, 14:47: Message edited by: Esben Mose Hansen ]

[Turms]

I have been waiting for a slow game too.
I would like to take Pythium.
I think Karan is a good map, but I prefer the Dry Version.

Maps:
(write your name besides the map you prefer; you may add new maps.)

Theater of War: Cainehill
Urgaia: Esben
Karan: Karacan, Daynarr, Chazar
Karan dry Version: Turms
Parganos: Chazar
Arduria: Chazar
any: pickles, Mark the Merciful

Nations:
Abysia: Pickles
Arco: esben
Caelum: Chazar
C'tis: liga
Machaka: Yellow Cactus
Man: Cainehill
Pangaea: wolfkinsov
R'lyeh: Karacan
Ulm: Daynarr
Vanheim: Mark the Merciful
Marignon: rabelais
Pythium: Turms

[Cainehill]

Since I only suggested Theater of War, and didn't vote for it, I thought I'd make an update.

Maps:
(write your name besides the map you prefer; you may add new maps.)

Urgaia: Esben
Karan: Karacan, Daynarr, Chazar
Karan dry Version: Turms, Cainehill
Parganos: Chazar
Arduria: Chazar
any: pickles, Mark the Merciful

Nations:
Abysia: Pickles
Arco: esben
Caelum: Chazar
C'tis: liga
Machaka: Yellow Cactus
Man: Cainehill
Pangaea: wolfkinsov
R'lyeh: Karacan
Ulm: Daynarr
Vanheim: Mark the Merciful
Marignon: rabelais
Pythium: Turms

[The_Tauren13]

is there still room for another player here?

[quantum_mechani]

I am interested as well, however only if we go for a small map. Urgaia in particularly sounds fun with this many players http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by quantum_mechani:
I am interested as well, however only if we go for a small map. Urgaia in particularly sounds fun with this many players http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">14 on Urgaia certainly sounds interesting, and also insane, but fun? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Bloody as well, and ill luck for anyone starting next to Ulm or Jotunheim - really steamroller / rusher heaven for a couple of nations.

Still, it'd definately be a change of pace.

[Vicious Love]

Since we'll apparently be playing a decent-sized map, I'm in as Mictlan. That'd make Cheezeninja Ermor, unless he's changed his mind.
I'd also like something smaller than Orania, just not quite as tiny as Urgaia. Beyond that, I don't favor any particular map enough to cast a vote.


Maps:
(write your name besides the map you prefer; you may add new maps.)

Urgaia: Esben
Karan: Karacan, Daynarr, Chazar
Karan dry Version: Turms, Cainehill
Parganos: Chazar
Arduria: Chazar
any: pickles, Mark the Merciful

Nations:
Abysia: Pickles
Arco: esben
Caelum: Chazar
C'tis: liga
Ermor: Cheezeninja
Machaka: Yellow Cactus
Man: Cainehill
Mictlan: Vicious Love
Pangaea: wolfkinsov
R'lyeh: Karacan
Ulm: Daynarr
Vanheim: Mark the Merciful
Marignon: rabelais
Pythium: Turms

[Cheezeninja]

Well im still here, and i'd still like to play. I really have no favored map either.


Maps:
(write your name besides the map you prefer; you may add new maps.)

Urgaia: Esben
Karan: Karacan, Daynarr, Chazar
Karan dry Version: Turms, Cainehill
Parganos: Chazar
Arduria: Chazar
any: pickles, Mark the Merciful

Nations:
Abysia: Pickles
Arco: esben
Caelum: Chazar
C'tis: liga
Ermor: Cheezeninja
Machaka: Yellow Cactus
Man: Cainehill
Mictlan: Vicious Love
Pangaea: wolfkinsov
R'lyeh: Karacan
Ulm: Daynarr
Vanheim: Mark the Merciful
Marignon: rabelais
Pythium: Turms [/QB][/QUOTE]

[Cainehill]

If a few more people would actually vote for a map, we might get started sooner.... Not that it necessarily matters for a slow slow game, but still.

[rabelais]

No preference on map for me.

I think 6+ provs per nation would be nice, to keep things from going thermonuclear (with attendant fallout http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif ) too early,...

but I won't really mind if I start between the jotuns and the iron freaks.

Pity there is no "observer" functionality in Dom 2.. it would be nice to be able to watch with unnaturally good info, once eliminated. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Rabe

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Allllllrrriiighhty then!

I have change the game to the Karan map, since that one got the most votes. I have no idea how big that map is, but I will learn, I suppose.

Please check the game options and write here if you want anything changed. (I havn't touched them since creating the game).

Otherwise, I suggest we start whenever all pretenders have been uploaded.

[Chazar]

Preferences:
- Personally I would like a big hall of fame...after all we're out for fame, aint we?

- Maybe 2-4 starting provinces to get it going quickly and to prevent anyone falling out immediately due to dramatic bad luck.


I've no idea about those VP, they function like temples, dont they? This might be quite interesting...

[Daynarr]

I'll second HoF to 15 but I'm against getting more then 1 province in the start.

[Esben Mose Hansen]

I can see where this is headed already. Lets make another vote. Feel free to add additional items. Items with only one vote total will be ignored, as will draws.

Large Hall of Fame:
for: Chazar, Daynarr
against:

More than 1 starting provinces:
For: Chazar
Against: Daynarr

[Mark the Merciful]

Originally posted by Esben Mose Hansen:
I can see where this is headed already. Lets make another vote. Feel free to add additional items. Items with only one vote total will be ignored, as will draws.

Large Hall of Fame:
for: Chazar, Daynarr, Mark
against:

More than 1 starting provinces:
For: Chazar
Against: Daynarr, Mark <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm fine with all other settings.

Based on a non-statistically significant number of SP games, I'd suggest that four starting provinces is more luck-prone than one. There are some sites that can realy boost your opening play if you get them free on turn 1 IMO.

Mark

[rabelais]

I'm for HoF 15... (it should be default, unless pretenders are declared ineligible) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

...but think one starting prov is best.


with more people just have less time to effect their chosen strategy before the sloppy slapdown begins. Am I wrong here? I so rarely play with more than one starting prov, I don't have any real data for the assertion. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif


Rabe

[Pickles]

Originally posted by Esben Mose Hansen:
" I can see where this is headed already. Lets make another vote. Feel free to add additional items. Items with only one vote total will be ignored, as will draws."

Large Hall of Fame:
for: Chazar, Daynarr, Mark, Rabelais Pickles
against:

More than 1 starting provinces:
For: Chazar
Against: Daynarr, Mark, Rabelais, Pickles

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Esben Mose Hansen:
" I can see where this is headed already. Lets make another vote. Feel free to add additional items. Items with only one vote total will be ignored, as will draws."

Large Hall of Fame:
for: Chazar, Daynarr, Mark, Rabelais, Pickles, Cainehill
against:

More than 1 starting provinces:
For: Chazar
Against: Daynarr, Mark, Rabelais, Pickles, Cainehill


Blood and bone, I see where this is going - next we vote on common/rare random events, and rich world or not. Then graphs (*), and then the name of the game. Then someone suggests indies 9 and difficult research and we have a vote. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I thought the person proposing the game (Karacan) had already suggested the settings.

(*) - By the time we get started, a new patch may have come out that allows the graphs to be turned on/off via the command line. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[The_Tauren13]

id like to join this game... if you can handle another player

[Karacan]

I don't know what's about the three people wanting to join from the beginning... if they still want a position, I am afraid we're completely sold out.

I think we can settle for large HoF and one starting provinces, right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Let's start on wednesday. Any votes against that? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Originally posted by The_Tauren13:
id like to join this game... if you can handle another player <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not sure if I'm the one to decide this, but since I have sent private Messages to the other three interested players a while ago, I would think you can pick whatever is left... if anything.

I'll start the game on wednesday, if everybody has uploaded their pretender by then. And no worries, I can handle any number of votes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[The_Tauren13]

k thanks esben... so this is where it stands? assuming you dont mind a second water nation...

Maps:
(write your name besides the map you prefer; you may add new maps.)

Urgaia: Esben
Karan: Karacan, Daynarr, Chazar, Tauren
Karan dry Version: Turms, Cainehill
Parganos: Chazar
Arduria: Chazar
any: pickles, Mark the Merciful

Nations:
Abysia: Pickles
Arco: esben
Atlantis: Tauren
Caelum: Chazar
C'tis: liga
Ermor: Cheezeninja
Machaka: Yellow Cactus
Man: Cainehill
Mictlan: Vicious Love
Pangaea: wolfkinsov
R'lyeh: Karacan
Ulm: Daynarr
Vanheim: Mark the Merciful
Marignon: rabelais
Pythium: Turms

[ July 25, 2004, 20:42: Message edited by: The_Tauren13 ]

[Karacan]

I certainly don't mind another water nation.

[KroolDeath]

Anything left? I'd be interested in playing whatever is left.

Krool

[alexti]

I'm interested too if anything is left. Closer examination shows that Jotunheim and Tien Chi are left and KroolDeath has claimed one of those. If that's correct, something should be left for me after he chooses. And I won't need to think about what to pick http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by alexti:
I'm interested too if anything is left. Closer examination shows that Jotunheim and Tien Chi are left and KroolDeath has claimed one of those. If that's correct, something should be left for me after he chooses. And I won't need to think about what to pick http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Wow! We'll have a totally full game, without even trying for one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Is it that people really want the slow paced game, or are y'all just hungry for _a_ game?

And to think - we'll be playing on Urgaea! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[KroolDeath]

Well, I'm going to assert my divinity and upload a Jotun Pretender unless someone complains. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

96h isn't bad at all to me, having played PBM for many years with a 2 week turnaround!

We're still playing Urgaea, eh? Wow!

Krool

[alexti]

Originally posted by KroolDeath:
Well, I'm going to assert my divinity and upload a Jotun Pretender unless someone complains. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That leaves me with Tien Chi. And with the choice from three themes. Probably I should start to practice thinking... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Vicious Love]

Well, I did it. I took Growth-1. I know I'm not going to need the supply bonus, and I know I could've just put those 40 points into Luck, but I just can't bear to doom my people to certain death several thousand rounds after the game ends.
Damn my knee-jerk gameplay!

Update: By the way, I thought we were on Karan?

[ July 26, 2004, 03:21: Message edited by: Vicious Love ]

[Karacan]

Originally posted by Vicious Love:
Update: By the way, I thought we were on Karan? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Huh, me too. Did I miss something, or are you confusing your games, Cainehill? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

/edit: full nations in Karan will be bloody enough for my taste. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ July 26, 2004, 03:53: Message edited by: Karacan ]

[Cheezeninja]

*cough* I forgot to make a password when i created my pretender. I'm Ermor and still anonymous at the moment, so could you kick the anonymous ones please, so i can upload again?

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Cheezeninja:
*cough* I forgot to make a password when i created my pretender. I'm Ermor and still anonymous at the moment, so could you kick the anonymous ones please, so i can upload again? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is why this Jarhead doesn't upload pretenders until he's sober. Um - it might be a few days. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Karacan:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Vicious Love:
Update: By the way, I thought we were on Karan? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Huh, me too. Did I miss something, or are you confusing your games, Cainehill? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Just wanted to see if people were awake, and if anyone would be startled or aghast. (As opposed to a ghast, which would be thematic for Ermor.)

[rabelais]

With all 17 nations Karan is going to be extremely tight. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

If we are using karan, are we using the wet or dry Version?


Rabe

[Chazar]

- Whats the difference? I havent seen the dry Version of Karan yet?

- Umh, I've uploaded my Pretender already, but maybe I want to change my mind again. I assumed that I can always upload another pretender until the game is started, but according Cheezeninja's post this isnt so? So what do I have to do and whom to ask in case I do want to change my pretender?

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Originally posted by rabelais:
If we are using karan, are we using the wet or dry Version?<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It justs says Karan.map. So I don't really know :-/

I'm kicking Anonymous players now as requested. It seems to be Ermor and Mictlan I'm kicking...

17 nations? That's impressive. I think somebody should consider starting another slowpace game....

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Chazar:
- Whats the difference? I havent seen the dry Version of Karan yet?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The normal Version, all the lakes are connected - this is a huge screwy advantage for the water nations, as they can be far far away, and yet, they can reach almost any area of the map.

The dry Version removes the linkage between the isolated lakes, making (in some people's opinions) a more balanced map.

If we aren't explicitly using Karan-Dry, then we're using regular Karan.

[archaeolept]

if ermor or mictlan ends up being a no-show, i'd be happy to take either (w/ pref for mictlan out of the two). I've never played either and would like to try them out. a slow game is ok, but i especially like the appeal of being knocked out reasonably fast http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

edit: ahh, i see mictlan has shown. if any nations are free, i can respond fairly quickly and upload.

[ July 26, 2004, 14:59: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

[Daynarr]

I didn't specify it but I'm also for Karan dry Version.

It seems that I've missed a chance to delete my no-password pretender. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
Could you pleeeeeease kick anonymous players again. Please, please, please. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[YellowCactus]

Someone can step into my Machaka slot. This game is too crowded for my taste.
YellowCactus

[Esben Mose Hansen]

I will change the map the Karan_dry if somebody will upload that map http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

With YellowCactus out, and crosschecked with the info from the server, we're currently standing here, as far as I can determine:

Maps:
(only the two runner-ups)

Karan: Karacan, Chazar, Tauren
Karan dry Version: Daynarr, Turms, Cainehill

Nations:
Abysia: Pickles (not uploaded)
Arco: esben (uploaded)
Atlantis: Tauren (uploaded)
Caelum: Chazar (uploaded)
C'tis: liga (uploaded)
Ermor: Cheezeninja (not uploaded)
Jotunheim: KroolDeath (uploaded)
Man: Cainehill (not uploaded)
Mictlan: Vicious Love (uploaded)
Pangaea: wolfkinsov (not uploaded)
R'lyeh: Karacan (uploaded)
Ulm: Daynarr (uploaded but anonymous)
Vanheim: Mark the Merciful (not uploaded)
Marignon: rabelais (not uploaded)
Pythium: Turms (not uploaded)
----------------------------------
Machaka: free!!!
Tien Chi: Free!!

Uploaded:7
Uploaded by anonymous: 1
Not uploaded: 7
Free: 2

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Everybody, please check my post below, too! Thanks.

Originally posted by Chazar:
- Umh, I've uploaded my Pretender already, but maybe I want to change my mind again. I assumed that I can always upload another pretender until the game is started, but according Cheezeninja's post this isn't so? So what do I have to do and whom to ask in case I do want to change my pretender? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You need to check the box "That's not me!" in the game view. That will make you anonymous. Then ask me to kick all anonymous players.

This was implemented as people apparently overwrote pretender positions --- hopefully by accident or unknowingly.

You can --- and should! --- check if the pretender you have uploaded is the correct one using the md5 sum. In linux, the utility is name md5sum --- if you are using another OS just post it and some other guy can tell you how to do it.

Once you have claimed the pretender as you (Checking the That's me! box) the pretender is locked and can only be unlocked by you.

[Pickles]

Hi I think I have uploaded to Ulm (in error ) & Abysia, with a pretender that seems different somehow - possibly missng a password so please kick those and accept my apologies. I will upload a proper Abysia tommorrow.


Pickles

[Daynarr]

Oki, uploaded my pretender (with password this time). I'm ready to rumble. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Karacan]

I prefer Karan to Karan dry, but only because I don't have to go searching for Karan_dry. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif If someone points me to it, I am all for it.

[alexti]

I have staked Tien Chi (at least I hope so) and I will submit pretender in a few hours (just got home and I need to see how to play Tien Chi)

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Esben Mose Hansen:
I will change the map the Karan_dry if somebody will upload that map http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think Karan_dry is just a modified .map file - if you want, I expect someone can package it up into a zip, but you'll need ... a renamed karan.tga file as well, the way your server works? I think it expects the .map (text) file and the .tga (background map) file to have matching filenames?

Individual players don't need to find the Karan Dry, because as long as the host uses the modified, dry, .map file, that controls the game for everyone - they can just use the regular karan files.

Those who _do_ want the dry Version for their own games, it's found on Illwinter's site, under maps, right with the regular Karan download. The karan2.dry is simply the .map file, and thus quite small.

(Editted for quotes)

[ July 26, 2004, 22:44: Message edited by: Cainehill ]

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Esben Mose Hansen:
I will change the map the Karan_dry if somebody will upload that map http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I've packaged them up as karan_dry.map and karan_dry.tga in a karan_dry.zip file, but am having no luck uploading - 0 KB/sec.

Update : I believe the karan_dry files have successfully been uploaded.

As I mentioned, I just renamed the karan tga file, figuring that a couple megs of redundant / duplicate file wasn't a big deal with todays computers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ July 26, 2004, 23:04: Message edited by: Cainehill ]

[archaeolept]

ok i'll see what i can do w/ the giant spiders

i'll upload when i get home, sometime this evening (in a few hours)

[Vicious Love]

Anonymous? I seem to be missing something...

And, yeah, the concept of a really slow game does seem to have dizzying appeal at the moment. The question is how many people still approve of it after this little test run of ours is through, around September of next year.

Update: My mistake, turns out my browser just wonked out on me the first time I used the "confess" feature. My bad.

Updated update: Of course, in the process of realizing that that was my only oversight, I created a new pretender, uploaded him, then confirmed I was him. Naturally, I forgot to set a password for this latter god.
It's now five recreations of the exact same god(To get titles nearly as kickass as the ones I initially got) later, and all is well in the House of Me.

Yet another update: Wow. Full house. It's becoming less and less likely that I'll survive the early-game expansion.

[ July 26, 2004, 12:39: Message edited by: Vicious Love ]

[Cainehill]

Still working on my pretender, I'll have it up by sometime Wednesday (the proposed start); if it looks like almost everyone else has uploaded I'll find the time to finish up earlier.

[The Panther]

Does 'dry' mean no water? I seem to recall there are all races in this game, including the two water ones.

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by The Panther:
Does 'dry' mean no water? I seem to recall there are all races in this game, including the two water ones. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Nope. Just means that the inland lakes aren't connected as neighbors to each other and to the ocean. Someone picked "Dry" as the easiest way to distinguish the revised .map setup; the original Karan gives simply incredibly advantages to the "wet" nations.

[Norfleet]

No, "dry" Karan is the Version of Karan where the inland lakes are not considered neighbors of the sea provinces that the rivers connect them to.

This has slight ramifications on the spread of dominion for a land nation across water, since the water-shortcut, while not accessible to land units, still affects spread of dominion. It also has an effect on inland water access for water nations.

The underlying issue that there is not enough water for both water nations remains unaddressed in both the original and "Dry" Versions of Karan.

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
The underlying issue that there is not enough water for both water nations remains unaddressed in both the original and "Dry" Versions of Karan. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">True - but general consensus is that Karan simply doesn't have enough room for both water nations. Then again - it probably doesn't have enough room for all 15 land nations either.

In a situation with all 17 nations, either Version has something of an advantage for the water nations - one of them is probably going to be one of the nations surviving well into the mid-to-late game, and one will die. That's a 50% chance, better than most of the nations will have.

Of course, Vegas has odds on whether it will be Atlantis or R'lyeh still standing, and those odds aren't 50/50. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
The underlying issue that there is not enough water for both water nations remains unaddressed in both the original and "Dry" Versions of Karan. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Also note that in a game with 17 nations, the water nations have more nominal provinces per nation than the land nations. 20 water provinces for 2 water nations - 10 each.

142 land provinces, for 15 land nations - 9.46666... each.

And this is ignoring that both Atlantis and R'lyen can easily take land provinces, while most land setups have difficulty going into the water.

[Karacan]

Hmm, I don't see Atlantis "easily" taking land provinces. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif R'lyeh, maybe. I am not an expert R'lyeh player, but even since Dom 1, Atlantis has always been my favourite nation.

Anyway, I hope for a bloody battle. Maybe the underwater players ally to scourge the lands of those evil beasties. *hint, hint, nudge nudge* Who was playing Atlantis again? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Chazar]

The HOF is still set to 10!? I thought wanted the big one, considering that there are even more than 10 pretenders around...

[The_Tauren13]

and dont we need to finish voting on the map? it seems to me 2 were still tied.

[archaeolept]

well, i think cainehill must have gotten me drunk Last night or something, since i vaguely remember agreeing to exchange the mighty and fearsome spiderfolk for some ragtag bunch of unwashed forest-hippies

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

so i'll try to figure out a pretender today and upload before tomorrow.

edit: i actually prefer the normal Karan, at least in the present situation. lake access is nice, but not especially troubling in my mind.

[ July 27, 2004, 17:47: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

[alexti]

I also prefer "normal" Version. Otherwise, one of the water nations is likely to end up dead in the water (in the middle of the land)

[Karacan]

Since I know Karan's strategic layout much better on the normal Version, that's what I vote for, too.

[Cheezeninja]

i too, vote for the normal Version.

[Mark the Merciful]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
Also note that in a game with 17 nations, the water nations have more nominal provinces per nation than the land nations. 20 water provinces for 2 water nations - 10 each.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not if we're playing Dry Karan, surely? Then they'll lose access to - six? - water provinces. Or worse, one of them will get dumped in an isolated landlocked lake, and end up scrabbling for a share of the land provinces instead.

[The_Tauren13]

i vote for the normal Version

[Esben Mose Hansen]

I've changed the HOF to 15... I thought I had done that already, but I hadn't. Thanks for pointing this out!

I've kept the Karan map, because it is my impression that that one has more votes, but as you don't care to update the actual vote, I can't be sure without tedious counting. So, if anybody feels strongly about this, please do the counting for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

We're missing 3 players currently --- because I will kick anonymous players before starting. I will start the game in 36 hours regardless of status... that should be plenty of time for anybody.

Maps:
(only the two runner-ups)
(lots of votes missing)
Karan: Karacan, Chazar, Tauren
Karan dry Version: Daynarr, Turms, Cainehill

Nations, crosschecked with server:

Vanheim: Mark the Merciful (not uploaded)
Marignon: rabelais (not uploaded)
Pangaea: wolfkinsov (uploaded)
Machaka: cainehill (uploaded)
R'lyeh: Karacan (uploaded)
Ermor: Cheezeninja (uploaded)
Man: archaeolept (uploaded)
Mictlan: Vicious Love (uploaded)
Abysia: Pickles (uploaded)
Caelum: Chazar (uploaded)
Tien chi: alexti (uploaded)
Pythium: Turms (uploaded, but anonymous)
Arco: esben (uploaded)
Jotunheim: KroolDeath (uploaded)
C'tis: liga (uploaded)
Ulm: Daynarr (uploaded)
Atlantis: Biteme (uploaded)

Uploaded:14
Uploaded by anonymous: 1
Not uploaded: 2
Free: 0

P.S: Thanks for uploading the Karan-dry! Making a copy is just the right way, yes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif I don't mind the extra megabytes, and it makes tracking so much easier...

[Mark the Merciful]

Sorry for being one of the laggards.

I'll have a Pretender up by 8pm (BST) this evening.

Mark

[Chazar]

Update:

Maps:
(only the two runner-ups)
(lots of votes missing)
Karan: Karacan, Tauren
Karan dry Version: Daynarr, Turms, Cainehill, Chazar

Arent the inland-lakes marked as nostart-provinces to avoid a water-nation being screwed up right from the start?

[Esben Mose Hansen]

I'll just add a few off the votes below (yes, I should be working instead). Currently, the un-dry people have it... I've actually decided to cast my vote with the majority for no definitive reason.

Update:

Maps:
Karan (7): Karacan, Tauren, archaeolept, alexti, Cheezeninja, esben, The_Tauren13
Karan dry Version(4): Daynarr, Turms, Cainehill, Chazar

Arent the inland-lakes marked as nostart-provinces to avoid a water-nation being screwed up right from the start? [/QB][/QUOTE]

[Daynarr]

Originally posted by Esben Mose Hansen:
Arent the inland-lakes marked as nostart-provinces to avoid a water-nation being screwed up right from the start? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not 100% sure about it but Last time when I tried to play Karan with water nation it placed me in lake surrounded by land only. Maybe it has been fixed now, but maybe someone could take a look (who has spare time) before we start, just in case.

[ July 28, 2004, 11:20: Message edited by: Daynarr ]

[liga]

Originally posted by Esben Mose Hansen:


Update:

Maps:
Karan (7): Karacan, Tauren, archaeolept, alexti, Cheezeninja, esben, The_Tauren13
Karan dry Version(5): Daynarr, Turms, Cainehill, Chazar, Liga
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">

[Mark the Merciful]

Originally posted by liga:

Update:

Maps:
Karan (8): Karacan, Tauren, archaeolept, alexti, Cheezeninja, esben, The_Tauren13, Mark
Karan dry Version(5): Daynarr, Turms, Cainehill, Chazar, Liga
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">

[The_Tauren13]

my votes in there twice...

Maps:
Karan (7): Karacan, archaeolept, alexti, Cheezeninja, esben, The_Tauren13, Mark
Karan dry Version(5): Daynarr, Turms, Cainehill, Chazar, Liga

[rabelais]

Not to be oppositional, but I vote for the dry Version.

I think being protected from the overly serried land fray is more than enough advantage for the swimmers.

Rabe

[rabelais]

I'm not suggesting it be changed at this late date, but...

why do people like score graphs on?

Seems like it takes a lot out of the game, since pile-on is automatic, rather than learned, and then persuaded.


Rabe the Opaque http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[ July 28, 2004, 16:03: Message edited by: rabelais ]

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by rabelais:
I'm not suggesting it be changed at this late date, but...

why do people like score graphs on?

Seems like it takes a lot out of the game, since pile-on is automatic, rather than learned, and then persuaded.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, probably most importantly - graphs can't be turned off with games on mosehansen; Illwinter hasn't given command line arguments to turn them off, iirc.

You're right though - in most games, if one nations gets too huge (twice or more as many provinces as the next largest), everyone seems to dogpile them, rapidly reducing them to the bottom of the pack.

Then again - how much of that is the graph, and how much is that the person over-expanded and never consolidated her gains?

[archaeolept]

just waiting on vanheim to upload

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by archaeolept:
just waiting on vanheim to upload <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And Vanheim is in!

[Daynarr]

Looks like we are ready to start. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Karacan]

Everything looking peachy. Esben, would you start the game? Thread title already (prophetically) changed accordingly.

[Esben Mose Hansen]

I have allowed client's (that's all of us http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ) to start the game. Any of you can start it now; and I will when I get home sometime.. in less than 2 hours.

This should be very interesting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Good luck, everyone!

[liga]

Originally posted by Esben Mose Hansen:
Any of you can start it now <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I have started it! So I have time to make my turn before going home (I'm one of the peoples that are able to play at work but not at home!) ... good luck everyone!

Liga

[archaeolept]

oh lord what a horrendous starting location http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

one land province to expand to, which seems itself adjacent to another capitol. After that, it is adjacent to only one other territory, which is adjacent to what looks like 3 capitols.

lol++

i think this mapfile could have done w/ a few more nostarts http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

one of the water nations looks to be in big trouble too, so at least i'm not alone http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ July 29, 2004, 15:35: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

[archaeolept]

well i guess those crowns aren't all capitols. but having provinces w/ only one land border not flagged as nostart is definitely sucky.

[KroolDeath]

What are the crowns, exactly.

We were talking about them in the thread for that other game you hosted for us (the one you didn't join).

Krool

[Esben Mose Hansen]

The crowns are victory points. Collect 12 to win the game :-D

[KroolDeath]

Heh, thanks.

Now that I've revealed my newbness, let the pouncing begin!

Krool

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by archaeolept:
well i guess those crowns aren't all capitols. but having provinces w/ only one land border not flagged as nostart is definitely sucky. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What - you get your wish, and now you complain?

archaeolept wrote: i especially like the appeal of being knocked out reasonably fast<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif It's a problem with many of the maps, imo (for instance, Aran is in desperate need of some official #nostarts, the MiddleEarth map is, etc), and only excerbated when you put 17 nations into a map that is really suited for fewer.

Having capitals as VPs just brings us back to another serious flaw, imo, which is that capitals should not show up as VPs. For that matter - VPs should need to be scouted, or at least a switch for it.

[archaeolept]

i especially like the appeal of being knocked out reasonably fast <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">oh lol, hoisted by my own petard http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Karacan]

And we're off to a very fun start. The first turn is done. I prophetize early death to at least one waternation.

[Vicious Love]

Whoops, didn't realize I was holding turn 2 off for about a full day or so. Sorry, people. First time experiencing the miracle of quickhost. First proper multiplayer game, too.

At least the score graphs say I'm not the only nation still stuck with one province.

[Vicious Love]

Also, upon analyzing My First Diplomatic Missive, I appear to be channeling the Utwig from StarCon II. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[Karacan]

Originally posted by Vicious Love:
Whoops, didn't realize I was holding turn 2 off for about a full day or so. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No worries there. This is a dedicated slow game, after all, and I think you where still about 2000 minutes good to take a turn. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Still, I wholeheartedly recommend bookmarking Esben's brilliant status site to see any games you need to take a turn. I know it's about the first thing I open when going Online. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[liga]

Hi all,

my wife get some unexpected holidays so probably I'll have to move away from the net from 13-08 to 22-08 ... I have tryed to find someone who could take my place for this 5 turns in the circle of friend I used to play Dom2, but I was unlucky ... I'll play until 12-08 and after that, if I don't find anyone who could take my place for 9 days (just 4-6 turns) I'll have to revert to AI controlled.

I'm very sorry about that becouse I really like that slow game ... I hope to find someone before my left ... if some one of you have a frined interessed to play just 4-6 turns of C'tis, please, drop me an email at liga(AT)treemme(DOT)org

good play
Liga

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Karacan:
Still, I wholeheartedly recommend bookmarking Esben's brilliant status site to see any games you need to take a turn. I know it's about the first thing I open when going Online. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yep, mosehansen.dk is set as the home page in one of my 3 browsers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[liga]

is there a page in mosehansen site that tells you in which games you need yo take a turn ? or you have just to browser game by game ?

Liga

[archaeolept]

yeah, just your welcome page will tell you (as long as it recognizes you). However, if there are no turns for you to do, nothing will show up.

[Vicious Love]

Originally posted by liga:
I'm very sorry about that becouse I really like that slow game ... I hope to find someone before my left ... if some one of you have a frined interessed to play just 4-6 turns of C'tis, please, drop me an email at liga(AT)treemme(DOT)org
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Recommend you start a new thread ASAP, I doubt anyone who isn't in the game reads this one.

[Turms]

Hello all, this game has started quite nice and has been keeping a very good pace. However, I have one concern.

Am I correct that only 12 victory points are needed to win and that there are 37 vps total on the map?

I fear that the game will end too soon. Was this intentional and can the victory conditions still be adjusted? I would think that at least something like 20+ victory points would be better...

Good luck to all my opponents http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[rabelais]

Hmmm. Looks like two (more) LONG stales coming up http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Anyone want to elect a tempsub and use the Master Password?


Rabe who appreciates liga's cold-blooded, but COME ON!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Karacan]

Well, noone wanted to jump in as a temporary replacement. :/

Apparently, though, we're going to have to wait for him to return. Which is too bad, since the game is getting into an interesting stage. Who's Pangaea again? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[liga]

I'm back! The Lizards again have a God! ... I have lost some time, but not too much ... I'm still in condition to enjoy playing that game and run for good positions!

good play!
Ligha'sss

[The_Tauren13]

this games been so slow ive forgotten whats going on...

but hey, thats the point of the game; to be slow

[archaeolept]

yah it did just go through something like rigor mortis.

but hallelujah, liga has come back, and now it should get back to it's sprightly 2 1/2 days routine ;-)


Oh, I would like to note for all concerned that I, Man, am resisting the mighty and oppressive t'ien chi. If there are any others who wish to throw off the cruel yoke of t'ien chi's evil queen, know that you have a steadfast friend in Man.

[Mark the Merciful]

Let's not all act surprised when the "*really* slow game" runs, well, really slowly.

[liga]

Yes ... I'm back to work (wher I have my main dom2 installation) ... so I could stratr to play again quickly!

Sorry all for the delay in this 10 days!

good play
Ligha'sss

[The_Tauren13]

no problem liga. again, this game is dedicated to people like you who perhaps cant spend their entire life playing dominions! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

[alexti]

archaeolept said:
Oh, I would like to note for all concerned that I, Man, am resisting the mighty and oppressive t'ien chi. If there are any others who wish to throw off the cruel yoke of t'ien chi's evil queen, know that you have a steadfast friend in Man.


We shall add that while we may be mighty, we're just. We've never attacked other nation lands, however aggressors will experience the might of Tien Chi.

[Karacan]

I have to say I actually like the pace of the game. I am in two others, and this is a game that puts no stress whatever on me. Which is the point of a game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[liga]

I need to contact the Ermor dead King (Cheezeninja) for some "diplomacy" ... my email si liga(AT)treemme(DOT)org

bye bye
Ligha'sss, the God of the Lizards

[KroolDeath]

And so we've had our first casualty...Man...

Anyone care to talk about it? Who was the victor?

Krool

[Cainehill]

Dominion kill, I believe, hastened by military defeats and a province that really, REALLY should be #nostart - one land neighbor, and that one only has two land neighbors itself. Man got a shafted start position.

[alexti]

Caelum has conquered Man's capital (a turn ago I think), not sure if it was dominion kill afterwards or not, probably didn't matter anyway.

[Karacan]

The message indicated a Dominionkill.

That was a very early rush.

[Daynarr]

So, are we going to upgrade to 2.14 anytime soon?

[Karacan]

The sooner the better, before anyone really gets hosed by having to shift his clams and fetishes...

However, stopping and restarting a game currently appears to result in the gameslot being taken away due to the rush. *sigh*

Hey, Mister Hansen. Buy another computer or three. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[rabelais]

What is the advantage of upgrading exactly?

Are there any serious game play issues that get modified?

Seems like 2.12 is fine for our purposes, unless it puts someone at a significant disadvantage.

Rabe, who hasn't been paying close attention to the new release. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Daynarr]

Well, there is a good number of fixes (including network fixes) so you should take a look at complete list.

The thing is that some of the players may be seeing new patch, then log on to mosehansen site and see that Version there is also 2.14; making him upgrade and play the game on different Version then the rest of us without checking the forums. So, we should upgrade as soon as possible.

I suggest sending an in-game message to everyone that the game will be upgraded to 2.14 after [enter turn number here] turn so that everyone does it at the same time. That way all players will know when they need to go to next Version.

[Chazar]

KroolDeath said:
And so we've had our first casualty...Man...

Anyone care to talk about it? Who was the victor?




Me! My first MP-Kill! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Sorry, I lost the thread, which was why I didnt respond - now I am using this favourite-thread feature to stay informed...

It was indeed a dominion kill, although I conquered Man's captial castle a turn before.
Nevertheless, the kill was simply due to two things. First I got a little help from a friend and second Man's starting position was very unfortunate, but it also caused quite some casualties to my army, since at the same time of my main assault, Man easily recaptured the one adjacent province (which I had left undefended), thus causing a swift Death to all my precious routing Elephants... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Karacan said:
However, stopping and restarting a game currently appears to result in the gameslot being taken away due to the rush. *sigh*

Hey, Mister Hansen. Buy another computer or three. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


Restarting shouldn't take away a slot, unless you're hit by a bug. And I wish http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Several unexpected expenses have forced me to delay such plans to winter sometime :-/

I would like an upgrade.. mostly so Jabber notification could go unbroken again. On the other hand, I'm soon dead in all probability http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[liga]

Ermor player goes AI controlled ... since it was becouse I'm attacking him, can I consider it a MP kill ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Anyway, that was not good at all, I would like to end my Ermorian war against an human ... proabably couse that war I'll go slowly down in position and it will be nice to have at least another human controlled empire down me!

anyway, goodbay Ermor's Lord and thank you for the great war!
I hope to be able to rise you undead again and make them fight with me!

Ligha'sss

[rabelais]

Esben Mose Hansen said:

I would like an upgrade.. mostly so Jabber notification could go unbroken again. On the other hand, I'm soon dead in all probability http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Nah, I'm not gonna kill you, I'm gonna play with you for several turns as punishment for attacking me in the first place. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/firedevil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Injured.gif

Basically in this game I'm abysia's meatshield. Taking your capital would just make me a bloodier slab of marignonian beef. Ain't worth it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Next time, invade the person who has something to do other than kick your butt, it increases your chance of success.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Rabe the Chateaubriand, cajun-style http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif

[KroolDeath]

Guys, be aware that I will be out of town on Saturday, so the game may drag a bit this weekend.

Krool

[Karacan]

So, uh, when shall we go to 2.14?

Let's reanimate a long dead horse to see it die again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Chazar]

I thought we already updated to 2.14 - at least I am using the 2.14 client since a week. Mosehansen's web site says that he currently runs 2.14. Has GLACIER not been restarted meanwhile?

[Karacan]

I don't think it has. Although I had some interesting battles going on when viewing it with 2.12, there didn't seem to be any inconsistencies.

I might have been just lucky, though. Esben, oh game- and server-owner, please illuminate us with your insights.

[Daynarr]

Who is a game owner?

[Chazar]

Esben himself.

[Daynarr]

Maybe someone could mail him and tell him to restart game?
I lost his mail though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Karacan]

It's official now. From now on, turn will run under 2.14, according to Esben.

[The_Tauren13]

Attention!!!

Anyone interested in full scale reconnaissance can buy a map of the world, as seen by the eyes of god, for a mere 9 gems of any type! This is a limited time offer, as the eyes of god may not Last forever. Get yours now! ( Make checks payable to Muh Thulan, Kraken King of Atlantis. )

[Cainehill]

Hmmm. Anyone care to post the port for the game? I might be the only one who doesn't have it somewhere, but with the web interface for Esben's server gone, I also might not be the only one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Chazar]

The port for Glacier is 2278

[Cainehill]

Chazar said:
The port for Glacier is 2278



Thanks - out of 7 games I have there, that was the only one I couldn't recall, and it hadn't ever been posted in thread.

Now, of course, I just wiped out my old orders that I'd posted from my other computer while this one was down. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Karacan]

The webinterface is back up. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[liga]

I'll be out from 20 to 25 (I'll be in Essen Game Fair!) ... so I think I'll mis a turn!

good play
Liga

[Daynarr]

Not necessarily. 5-day absence can be handled in this game if you play your turn shortly after host is done.

[Turms]

The Last few rounds have taken quite long. Does anyone know whether Marignon and Vanheim are still in the game? They are the Last ones to not make their turns, and I have a feeling it was the same thing Last turn. Marignon's power graph is looking bit sad too, is he fighting back at all?

Turms - playing Pythium

P.S. Damn. Abysia is really getting close in gem income - have to push harder..

[Daynarr]

I think Marignon is still in. And Vanheim wont be for long if I can help it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[alexti]

Marignon is fighting on several fronts. Maybe he is trying to arrange some diplomatic coup or maybe he's just thinking about the optimal actions.

[KroolDeath]

Hey, trouble connecting to the game. Anyone else experiencing this?

Krool

[Daynarr]

I had to try 2 times to connect.

[rabelais]

Hi guys.

My parents were in a very serious car accident Last week, so I've been neglecting the game. I apologize, but sometimes you just gotta prioritize.

They are both alive and recovering. Yay!

In other news I can't connect.

Given the number of wars I was fighting, it may be that I was eliminated in the two turns I missed. ;(

Or the game could be down. port # still the same?

I still don't have time for anything, so please put me on AI, or not, if that's more fair.

marignon accidentally was not password protected so it should be easy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Again I apologize for any alliances this snafus, but I assume I got eaten for lunch over the Last 2 turns, so the effect may be minimal.

It was quite a fun game, even if my starting position made it a tiny bit fruitless.

In other news, in less than two weeks the USA will lose even the pretense of being a democratic republic, if Monkey-Boy is "re-elected".

It's telling on the state of our political culture that the GOP/Bushies have done ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING wrong, have done nothing but create an unending series of disasters, have nothing positive to run on, and on the basis of disgustingly-business-as-usual spin+lies are still neck and neck.

Makes one wonder what it would take to get people to notice Rome is burning. And this time Nero set the fire.

Some conservatives. God help us.

Has anyone else noticed how "diebold" reminds one of "diablo"?? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

Off to the swing states,

Rabe

[Cainehill]

Hey, the Bush cabal is simply reminding the world that democracy in the USA is still "a grand experiment", and an experiment that is failing.

On the bright side, after he wins this election because his Reich rigged it ( throwing out democratic and independent voter registrations, screwing with the voter rolls, having a company whose president promised to deliver this election to Bush making many of the electronic (fraud prone) voting machines ), we can look forward to the brighter Bush as our president in 2008.

And then, screw it - it'll be the Bush dynasty, and we'll have an unconstitutional monarchy.


Remember - this is a president who looked into Putin (former KGB guy)'s eyes, and said he got a sense of his soul. No doubt - they both are willing to falsely imprison people, start wars, lie, slander, destroy constitutions, etc, in order to get and maintain power.

As a nice 60-something year old republican lady who voted for Bush in 2000 put it, "I'm ashamed that I voted for Bush Last time - and I did so because of his stand on firearms (the which I dislike personally but I do feel that "the people" should have access to arms lest they be totally at the mercy of the government. But if the democratic process won't oust him and no one will shoot Bush, then what's the point of having guns?"

And this is a woman who readily admits that she doesn't follow the news, because it's too depressing.

[Chazar]

KroolDeath said:
Hey, trouble connecting to the game. Anyone else experiencing this?



I cannot connect either... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif but I'll keep trying...

@Rabelais: Marignon is still in the game and at least got no serious beatings from me (except from a faked siege)...

[Cainehill]

I was just able to connect twice, albeit only about 1 in 4 attempts was successful.

(Incidentally, could we get "Glacier" put into the title of the thread?)

[Chazar]

I could not connect and got a stale turn... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif
Furthermore I am still unable to connect...so what sould I do now?

[KroolDeath]

It took me a couple of tries as well, but finally got in...

[Cainehill]

Looks like Esben is the game owner now, so you might email him (through his site) and ask him to restart the game. Changing the ownership to someone in the game might be an idea as well.

In the meantime, just try and try again - like I said, I had about 2 successes in 8 tries connecting Thursday.

[Chazar]

Ah, ok, I realized now that there is no point in waiting once the "waiting for server"-message is there for a few seconds...

So clicking again and again and shutting down the previous ones seems to help indeed. Weird!

[Esben Mose Hansen]

Cainehill said:

Looks like Esben is the game owner now, so you might email him (through his site) and ask him to restart the game. Changing the ownership to someone in the game might be an idea as well.



Hey, I resent that! I'm not dead (yet)! Ok, I may be down to about 20 troops total, I may have 3 provinces total, my pretender has more afflictions than a combat dummy but I'm alive!!

Seriously, I have restarted the game. Hope it helps. I also hope this problem goes away when the load on the server diminishes... it's still pushing 22 games.

[Chazar]

rabelais said:
I still don't have time for anything, so please put me on AI, or not, if that's more fair.

marignon accidentally was not password protected so it should be easy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
Rabe



As Marignon's current enemy I would prefer if someone else would set Marignon to AI, for I do not want to peek behind my enemies lines... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif So I have asked rabelais to do this himself, since the restarted server seems to have helped with the connection problems (at least for me).

However, it is clear that he might not have the time to mess around with the game, so I suggest that the Last player to do his current turn now also logs in as Marignon and sets Marignon to AI. In this way we would not loose any additional time...thanks!

[Chazar]

Rabelais said that he will look after Marignon himself...

[Turms]

This game is really taking time, 2 stales this turn if I am correct.

P.S. Pangaea went AI. If you need to know - fully equipped air queen beats a naked prince of death pretty easily.

[Turms]

Hello all players!

Is anyone still playing this game?

All the turns are now taking the whole time.
This is not working!

I have a feeling that everybody seems to be losing interest. The idea of 4 days quickhost was good when we had no staling players. Now it seems there are several stales every turn.

Come on! You have 96 hours to do your turns!

I suggest that everybody still playing says hello here. Then we put everyone else to AI.
Another solution would be to move to 48 hours quick host.

What do you think? Please respond something at least, or I fear this game will die.

Turms - playing Pythium

[Cainehill]

I've been taking the turns, and as far as taking the full turns, I signed up _because_ it was a 96hr pace meaning that it wouldn't get hectic w/ other schedules.

If people really want to go 48QH, fine by me - me going AI might inconvenience a few nations though.

[The_Tauren13]

I'm still here. I staled once due to simply forgetting about the game because of such long gaps between turns... I won't do it again though since this is now the only game I'm in. Of course, I may only Last another 2 turns http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Turms]

I really needed to whine a little. I feel better already.

I must clarify. I like the long turns. I joined the game, for the same reason as you did Cainehill.
What I find annoying is waiting every turn for people who do not take their turns.

I have several times done my turns during the Last 10 hours.

Turms

[alexti]

I'm still in. The game was supposed to be *really* slow. No reason to worry I think http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Chazar]

I am alive! I am taking part in this game because of the slow-schedule. Any quicker schedule will most likely require me to abandon the game... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

I think I once suffered a single stale due to connectivity problems to Mosehansens Server, which did not reoccur since the server was restarted. Maybe some others did not notice the server restart...

Whatever is agreed upon, I must point out that not every participating player might still read this thread on a regular basis. So better send an in-game message to everyone before turning someone to AI!!!

[Turms]

Very happy to hear about you all.

What about spreading some gossip...

In the east several nations (Machaka, C'tis, Jotunheim at least)have been trying to beat what remains of ermor. They have been surprisingly slow I am afraid. I do know that some unnamed pretender died to the swords of some skeleton at the capital http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

In the center it was the same thing, but against Vanheim...

What is going on in the western part of the world? Any juicy wars?

Turms - playing Pythium

[Chazar]

No, the west enjoys a peacful harmony since the start. And all of the Westerners live on happily together... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Chazar]

I just happened to watch the hosting by chance, and there were esentially two stale turns:
Karacan/Ryleh &amp;
Pickles/Abysia.

Both nations seem to be alive from the nation statics however, and an occasional stale turn is usually not lethal...

(Plus two stale turn of defeated nations according to the province statistics...)

[KroolDeath]

I am still in and it was my Pretender (might as well reveal it). Boy was a surprised. I thought for sure this was an easy victory and then he got jammed into the entrance of the fortifications against a horde of skeletons so no other troops could get through.

No matter, he'll be back soon enough, and quite frankly, wasn't relying too much on him.

Jotunheim lives!

Krool

[Cainehill]

Karacan has basically disappeared - he had gone away for what was supposed to be less than a week, returning the 25th of October or so. Never came back, hasn't replied to email, etc ( I was subbing 2 games for him, but hadn't in any way signed up for the long run ).

[liga]

I'm back and I was able to play my turn ... so feel free to make everything against me!

Thank you
bye bye

Liga

[Turms]

Thank you everybody for the game. Seems I won.

Feel free to congratulate me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Turms

[Cainehill]

Wow! Quite the leap in VPs there - congratulations sent indeed.

[The_Tauren13]

nice one....

[Turms]

Thanks,

I would have gotten 12 victory points with conventional armies this turn anyways. I just decided to take no chances being so close to victory.

Would anyone like to comment the game? What was your situation?

I know of Caelum pretty well, having been in war with him for the last 15 turns. Caelum scored a small victory in the last turn by defending Abysia's capital.

Seems C'tis was doing very good in the north. Winning against Jotunheim maybe? Was Machaka involved in any wars?

But what was Atlantis planning? He must have tons of gems from Arcane Nexus. Why not attack Abysia or R'lyeh?

I had a pretty easy game most of the time. The only really frightening situation was when Caelum suddenly started taking Abysia's provinces very fast. Good thing I was already planning an attack there.

I guess this game was a slight disappointment because so many players either went AI or just staled. A slow game like this would have been very nice otherwise.

Turms

[The_Tauren13]

Turms said:
But what was Atlantis planning? He must have tons of gems from Arcane Nexus. Why not attack Abysia or R'lyeh?



I was still trying to research wish... having been an utter newbie when this game started I had hardly researched anything. Had I gotten wish I probably would have got some doom horrors to harass your home teritory, having seen your domination through the Eyes of God.

[alexti]

Congrats Turms!

My game started intersting with Man attacking me on turn 4 or so, later I've attacked Marignon, but he has stopped playing (because of outside reasons), about at the same time Ulm also attacked me, I did some progress against Ulm and AI-d Marignon, but then Ulm went AI too. I had tense relations with Abysia, but he stopped doing his turns. When I was finishing AI-d Ulm, I've got into a skirmish with Mictlan, who has promptly went AI too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif I got sick of fighting AI and went AI too, letting the best AI win. So aside of the early war vs Man I was mostly fighting AI...

[The_Tauren13]

Yes this game had an awful lot of dropouts.... Somewhat dissapointing.

[Chazar]

Congratulations Turms!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Seems like there was no way of stopping you! My Caelian forces were a bit distracted by my Ally T'ien Chi turning AI suddenly, which was quite nasty having our provinces interspersed thanks to flying. But I do not think that this would have made a big difference...

I wondered why those mages banes seemed ineffective against you AirQueens, but if I recall it correctly, I think the Mage Bane wielders were placed badly and did not even try to attack them, right? I just reforged the matrices for communion (after killing the first caelian communion of with a seraph casting rain of stones on himself grr!), one of those incineration rods and prepared myself to get an iron dragon, but it was all to late and would just have been a single attack squad...

It was a pretty interesting game, especially in the beginning versus Arco and Marignon, though it was somehwat disappointing with both Abysia staling from the time when I was ready to attack them and Tien Chi suddenly turning AI at the same time. Both might have been helpful if they used their forces to help against that Pythian invasion! Fighting Pythium made the game interesting again after Abysia &amp; TienChi being absent!!!

[Cainehill]

Turms said:
Seems C'tis was doing very good in the north. Winning against Jotunheim maybe? Was Machaka involved in any wars?




Machaka was getting its many legs kicked by C'tis for some time now. An abominably slow start (and only 1 gem site found in the first 15 turns or so, despite heavy searching) really put the kibosh on any chances of Machaka being a power in this game.

[Turms]

After this game I really understand why people like Air Queens. I had to summon the last one with astral gems (means she cost about 10 air and 80 astral). She was easily worth it and would have been much more.

However, I don't think you had any mage banes Chazar as it is a unique artifact and Thuella was wielding it for a long time. She gave it to a Tartarian Titan as I decided she was powerful enough with +100% quickness..

Maybe you had moon blades? They do x2 damage against magic beings - trouble was, the Air Queens had all defence over 30, very hard to hit them.

Turms

[Chazar]

Turms said:However, I don't think you had any mage banes Chazar as it is a unique artifact and Thuella was wielding it for a long time.

Correct, I meant "Elf Bane", Lvl4.

[liga]

But is taht game over ? I was ill the last week (actrually very ill and not able to check mail and net) and I'm not abel to find that game in progress anymore ...

is there someone who has saved the last turn ? I want to know how well I was before the end ... after a very bad-slow starting killing ermor I was really suprised how well my Lizards was doing against Machake and the giants ...

anyway was for me a good game (I have really learnt a lot).

thank you anyone involveld in the game and glory to the winner!

good play
Liga

[Chazar]

I can send you my turn if you like - the passwords I use are always unique, so you can have it to watch the turn...

[liga]

So the game is really ended ? Who wins ? Pythium ? I was interested in looking my situation in teh last turn but I think it is impossible ... the next time ...

bye bye
Liga

[Chazar]

Yes, Pythium won. Well, you cannot see your troops in the last turn anyway, but your battles and who possesses which country...

Otherwise, send an email to Mosehansen via his webpage, he will probably be able to send you your file...

[liga]

OK ... very good ... so please send me the last turn and the passowrd to look it at

liga@treemme.org

thank you and good play
Ligha'sss