MP Game - Belle Air - now underway

[archaeolept]

mosehansen.dk port 2277

Karan map, Indy 8, magic sites 50
renaming enabled, HOF 15
25 hour quickhost

House rules: no caelum, no watchtowers or mausoleums. you want a cheap fort? then ya gotta plunk down the nation points http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Looking for 8 players or so.

Victory Conditions: take 3 capitols of vanquished pretenders, while maintaining your own. That is, capitols only count if the nation in question's god no longer exists. (this number may be changed depending on how many nations are playing, and upon the general will of the participants)

since i'm starting the game, and w/ house rules, i'll let a few others choose their nations first.

[ July 24, 2004, 22:24: Message edited by: Zen ]

[Cohen]

Got Vanheim

[djtool]

I don't understand why no caelum. the mages? I guess i was thinking about their mobility, in which case I am confused why atlantis and ry'leh would be ok.

took c'tis

[ July 22, 2004, 17:16: Message edited by: djtool ]

[archaeolept]

ehh just tired of the ease of setting up wrath squads. really i originally wanted to use zen's updated cradle map, where caelum has an unfair advantage, and the no-caelum rule just kind of hung around in my head http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

i could remove that rule if the players want. no biggie.

as to R'lyeh and Atlantis - I was never convinced that they had such an advantage on Karan, due to the difficulty in pushing their dominion up those waterways. especially w/ indy 8 tritons...

[ July 22, 2004, 17:20: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

[Ozymandias]

I would have taken Vanheim as my first choice, but would gladly take one of Ermor, R'lyeh, Man, Pangaea, or Jotunheim, by order of preference. There is a caveat: this would be my first mp game, so you may not want a possible spoiler due to my inexperience.

[The_Tauren13]

id be interested in playing as machaka
i dont really care what nation, tho, as i am a newbie with no MP experience, so if somebody else wants it, i can pick another

[Norfleet]

Ermor, I choose you! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ July 22, 2004, 21:19: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Ermor, I choose you! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Think Ozymandious already wanted Ermor.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
Think Ozymandious already wanted Ermor. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, if he wants it, he can have it, then. I'll take R'lyeh or Atlantis instead, then.

[ July 22, 2004, 21:27: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Thufir]

If you can stand yet another noob, count me in! I'd like to try Tien Chi, but I'm not too particular. Any house rules about clams/fever fetishes?

[KroolDeath]

Another newb willing to give it a shot. Is this newbie overload?

No nation choice just yet, hoping there is a spot available still.

Krool

[ July 22, 2004, 21:35: Message edited by: KroolDeath ]

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Cainehill:
Think Ozymandious already wanted Ermor. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, if he wants it, he can have it, then. I'll take R'lyeh or Atlantis instead, then. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Bah. I shoulda laid claim to R'lyeh that same post - I was just creating a test pretender for it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

(And the ocean would be _way_ too crowded with both sea nations, so ...)

[Frosted Flake]

I'll take Arco

frosted flake

[archaeolept]

ozymandias, tauren, thaufer, and krooldeath: just connect to mosehansen.dk port 2277 and upload your pretenders. then go to the mosehansen page for the game, and register yourself as the player for said game (this is almost optional for someone who's registered in this thread, but its nice and potentially helpful).

no house rules about clams or fever fetishes.

Ozymandias, if you want ermor, just upload your pretender at mosehansen and post back here.

[ July 22, 2004, 22:07: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by archaeolept:
Ozymandias, if you want ermor, just upload your pretender at mosehansen and post back here. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">First Norfleet will have to go anonymous and you'll have to kick anonymous players, else Oz won't be able to upload, since mosehansen 'protects' pretenders by restoring the first that was uploaded.

[archaeolept]

according to norfles you can - maybe because the checksum system is messed up at the moment? not sure though.

[KroolDeath]

Will do and thanks. Look at it this way, some freash butt to kick! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Krool

[Frosted Flake]

Skewing off topic..just curious which nations does Norfleet find the weakest and why?

frosted flake

[Thufir]

Originally posted by archaeolept:
ozymandias, tauren, thaufer, and krooldeath: just connect to mosehansen.dk port 2277 and upload your pretenders. then go to the mosehansen page for the game, and register yourself as the player for said game (this is almost optional for someone who's registered in this thread, but its nice and potentially helpful).

no house rules about clams or fever fetishes.

Ozymandias, if you want ermor, just upload your pretender at mosehansen and post back here. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Awesome! I'll upload for TienChi later tonight

- thufir

[ July 22, 2004, 23:53: Message edited by: thufir ]

[KroolDeath]

VC's look cool. I would like to clarify, you do need to maintain a hold on your own nation's capital correct? You could have 10 enemy caps, but without you're own, your SOL, right?

Nation upload and Pretender upload coming shortly.

Krool

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Frosted Flake:
Skewing off topic..just curious which nations does Norfleet find the weakest and why?<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">In these specific conditions, or in general? In general, it is generally not disputed that Tien Chi is among the weakest nations. Their magical abilities can be compared to a flooded parking lot: Lots of breadth, but absolutely no depth. In these specific conditions, any nation that would ordinarily benefit greatly from Mausoleums or Watchtowers, due to use no-resource troops, that now can't take them and is thus overcharged in both nation points and gold for a castle that adds only useless features, is screwed. Nations that cannot or should not take a watchtower or mausoleum, or have a cheap substitute that isn't one of the above, benefit greatly.

[vigabrand]

I would like to try BF Ulm

Vig

[Thufir]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
...
In general, it is generally not disputed that Tien Chi is among the weakest nations.
...
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

Looks like I might be in for a world of hurt!!!

[Frosted Flake]

Norfleet is an education you wont want to miss

frosted flake

[KroolDeath]

I'm going to play Marignon (never played before). I too, will proably be in a world of hurt.

I've actually only played a single game which is still in progress, and thats as Ulm (not including countless demo games).

But, I can't learn nothing from the AI behavior, I need human opponents to educate me.

Krool

[Thufir]

I've uploaded now

- thufir

[archaeolept]

ok, since thufir has uploaded, there are currently 9 pretenders in it, so i'll start the game tomorrow morning. a tenth is probably possible, if its a water nation.


good luck all

[KroolDeath]

Ok, guys. Heads up. I will probably go stale Saturday as I will be out of town, so a couple of things:

1) I apologize. I'm sure I'm not the only one to ever go out of town, so I can't be the only one to have an occasional stale turn (I'll hit Friday and Sunday no problem). But it is my first MP game so thought I would mention it. Its not a drop. I won't drop...I used to spend $6.50 every two weeks playing Middle-Earth PBM even with a losing nation until the bitter end.

2) Don't take advantage of me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Krool

[Yossar]

There are nine pretenders up but it says Ermor is Norfleet and there are no water nations. If Ozymandius takes Ermor and Norfleet moves to R'lyeh, that would make ten and I'd be out. But if Norfleet is sticking with Ermor and I get a response before the game starts I'll take Atlantis. I don't really like any of the Atlantis pretenders but I don't feel like playing R'lyeh.

[archaeolept]

lol

so far i'm not sure if ozymandias has tried to upload. norf hasn't relinquished the slot by going "anonymous". i'll go w/ the general will on what should happen - but as things stand now, there is an open water slot. If ozymandias shows, i can always kick open the slot.

krooldeath: on 25 hour quick host, its possible that you might not stale a turn. lets say you get in a turn friday evening, but the Last guy doesn't get his in until sat morning - then your next turn won't be absolutely due until sunday morming. otherwise, don't worry about it - one stale turn isn't so bad, IMO.

[ July 23, 2004, 04:00: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

[Yossar]

Is Kelp Fortress a watchtower and Dark Citadel a mausoleum? That wouldn't leave Atlantis with many options. One to be exact.

Edit: Dark Citadel is definitely not a mausoleum but still curious about the Kelp Fortress.

[ July 23, 2004, 04:11: Message edited by: Yossar ]

[archaeolept]

ehh good point. if they don't cost 300, they're good.

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Yossar:
Is Kelp Fortress a watchtower and Dark Citadel a mausoleum? That wouldn't leave Atlantis with many options. One to be exact. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Dark Citadel isn't a mausoleum, no. High high defense, expensive and slow to build, so you have two choices, neither of them appealing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Yossar]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Yossar:
Is Kelp Fortress a watchtower and Dark Citadel a mausoleum? That wouldn't leave Atlantis with many options. One to be exact. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Dark Citadel isn't a mausoleum, no. High high defense, expensive and slow to build, so you have two choices, neither of them appealing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ya, Atlantis keeps looking less and less appealing. Guess I'll go with the Kelp Citadel...

Edit: Yay, finally found a nation design I like with Atlantis. And with 0 points left over too. I'm gonna upload it but I'll drop out if things get sorted out.

[ July 23, 2004, 04:25: Message edited by: Yossar ]

[Ozymandias]

Well it looks like you got everything ready while I was laboring. Its okay that Norfleet bumped me out of Ermor, I'll just find another game, hopefully with fewer vets.

[archaeolept]

well, you called it first and you can have it if you want it. there are a few vets, but just as many noobs.

yossar, you might as well upload. be nice to see an Atlantis player.

[Ozymandias]

Okay, I'll upload a pretender then. If Norfleet will vacate Ermor, I'll play that, else I will upload a pretender for a diffrent nation, probably R'lyeh or Man.

[Norfleet]

I'm out. You can overwrite me. Something's come up and I won't be able to attend the game anyway.

[archaeolept]

ozymandias, upload your pretender and register the nation as your own on the mosehansen page
https://www.mosehansen.dk/cgi-bin/dom2.pl?page=BrowseGamePage&game=belle_air

also djtool and thufir, please claim the "anonymous" nation in your name on the mosehansen belle_air page

if norf is out, then his secondary desire for r'lyeh is vitiated, and yossar should upload Atlantis.

[ July 23, 2004, 05:00: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

[Ozymandias]

I have uploaded a fierce and terrible pretender to rule Ermor

[djtool]

oh yeah forgot to do that. thanks arch

[Frosted Flake]

Game has started!

frosted flake

[Thufir]

Originally posted by Frosted Flake:
Game has started!

frosted flake <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Cool!

Can I ask the defintion of "25 hr Quickhost"? If I were to speculate (based on nothing other than wishful thinking), I'd hope that it meant that as soon as everyone submitted their turn, the turn was hosted immediately. If everyone has not submitted their turn, then the turn is processed on the 25th hr after the Last turn was processed. Am I correct?


To Esben Mose Hansen:
With or without my notion of the quickhost feature, providing this gameserver is work well done!! To my novice eye, the dominions community is rich in user contributions, and even against this background your contribution looks pretty damn awesome to me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ July 23, 2004, 17:53: Message edited by: thufir ]

[Yossar]

Originally posted by thufir:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Frosted Flake:
Game has started!

frosted flake <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Cool!

Can I ask the defintion of "25 hr Quickhost"? If I were to speculate (based on nothing other than wishful thinking), I'd hope that it meant that as soon as everyone submitted their turn, the turn was hosted immediately. If everyone has not submitted their turn, then the turn is processed on the 25th hr after the Last turn was processed. Am I correct?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Indeed

[archaeolept]

the great advantage of quickhost is that, in the early game when turns are short, it allows the game to proceed at a reasonable pace if all the participants are on the ball.

otoh, you always have at least 25 hrs to do your next move, if life gets in the way of the important things http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Thufir]

Archaeolept,

Just curious, but I don't see you on the list of players - are you using a second user name? Or did you just set up this game out of pure generosity? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

- thufir

[archaeolept]

Game On!

there are 10 players, as opposed to the original conception of 8. As such, the victory conditions are to be the first to hold 4 capitals of vanquished pretenders (while still having your own).

good luck http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Thufir:
Just curious, but I don't see you on the list of players - are you using a second user name? Or did you just set up this game out of pure generosity? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, it would be generosity if it was *HIS* server to be generous with, but I think he just hogged the slot to stop other people from doing it first. You know how it is: To save the village, sometimes you gotta burn the village.

[ July 24, 2004, 21:27: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[archaeolept]

well, nor, how can i be "hogging" if i set up one game? hogging implies the sin of gluttony.

actually, i didn't feel much need to join in as there was such a rush of people who wanted to play. As well, norfleet had said that he wanted to play, and i'd still rather avoid games w/ him for the time being. Not that I wanted to go w/ a "no norfleets" house rule either.

anyways, the game seems to have started a bit slow. hopefully tomorrow you guys can pick up the pace a bit, and get more of the easy early part of the game out of the way.

enjoy.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Ozymandias]

The new turn is now ready

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by archaeolept:
actually, i didn't feel much need to join in as there was such a rush of people who wanted to play. As well, norfleet had said that he wanted to play, and i'd still rather avoid games w/ him for the time being. Not that I wanted to go w/ a "no norfleets" house rule either.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeah - much as I'd _love_ to create a "No Cohen", etc, game, I don't think it's appropriate to set up house rules banning particular players on Esben's server.

Very very tempting, but inappropriate. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Thufir]

Originally posted by archaeolept:
anyways, the game seems to have started a bit slow. hopefully tomorrow you guys can pick up the pace a bit, and get more of the easy early part of the game out of the way.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">KroolDeath warned us he'd be out today, hopefully we will get in a number of turns tomorrow.


enjoy.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I intend to!

[Ozymandias]

Turn 4 is up.

[KroolDeath]

Thanks for being patient, guys. I was out of town camping and had no access on Saturday.

Krool

[Ozymandias]

Did you stale any turns?

[KroolDeath]

One, but I was all the richer because of it... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Ozymandias]

Who is Abysia?

[archaeolept]

you can see who's who at the mosehansen page:
https://www.mosehansen.dk/cgi-bin/dom2.pl?page=BrowseGamePage&game=belle_air

its odd_enuf

[Ozymandias]

I was wondering if there are ways to turn off some of the extra information that the game provides ie the score graphs and the crowns for vp locations. I have been examining these sources of intel closely, but think a game without them might be nice. Is there a switch to turn off score graphs? Is the painting of all the capitols unavoidable if they are used for vp?

[archaeolept]

hmm i thought capitals weren't supposed to be set for VP in this game?? in fact, checking the settings, there shouldn't be any capital VP.

as to score graphs, you can turn them off, but not w/ command-line switches, so not on the mosehansen server.

[Thufir]

Originally posted by Ozymandias:
I was wondering if there are ways to turn off some of the extra information that the game provides ie the score graphs and the crowns for vp locations. I have been examining these sources of intel closely, but think a game without them might be nice. Is there a switch to turn off score graphs? Is the painting of all the capitols unavoidable if they are used for vp? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">On game creation, there's an option for turning off the graphs. What do you mean by "painting of capitols"?

[Ozymandias]

Each capitol in our game is appearently worth one vp, holding five grants apotheosis. I have been presuming that the crowns on the map were in fact all of our various capitols. The marking with crowns is what I was refering to.

[Ozymandias]

Are you sure about that archaeolept? I got the impression we were using vp from your post on July 23:

Game On!

there are 10 players, as opposed to the original conception of 8. As such, the victory conditions are to be the first to hold 4 capitals of vanquished pretenders (while still having your own).

[ August 01, 2004, 20:38: Message edited by: Ozymandias ]

[Ozymandias]

Wow I must look at the preview post button before I post next time. That looks terrible. How do you edit Posts, I have seen evidence of editing on several diffrent threads.

Oh well, off to labor. Hopefully Vigabrand will have submited his turn during my shift.

edit: I have now learned to edit.

[ August 01, 2004, 20:39: Message edited by: Ozymandias ]

[Yossar]

Victory Points are just put randomly on the map and in this game don't actually mean anything.

[The_Tauren13]

victory points actually spread dominion... so they arent completely meaningless

[Yossar]

Originally posted by The_Tauren13:
victory points actually spread dominion... so they arent completely meaningless <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Are you sure? I've never heard that before.

[archaeolept]

yeah, they don't do much, but are something like 5pts of dom spread per VP. click on one of your temples when you have a VP crown.

[Thufir]

I'm going on vacation starting tomorrow, and while I'm planning on submitting my turns (I've called ahead at an Internet cafe), I just wanted to give everyone a heads up, in case something goes wrong. I should check in tomorrow night 7pm (GMT-10), and worst case I'm sure I'll be able to post here, and let you all know if I have difficulty submitting turns. I plan to submit turns once per day, in the evening, if anything goes awry, or if thats too slow for anyone, I have no problems with passing on the position or setting it to AI.

- Thufir

[KroolDeath]

No problems here, thats the beauty of 25h quickhost. And things like this are going to happen unless there's someone who never leaves their house!

Heck, I staled Turn 2...And I'm going camping in a couple of weeks and I'm trying to get a bud to buy this game so I don't stale another turn (he can take it for me). Of course, if I could convince our gracious host to go to 72h that weekend. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Krool

[ July 30, 2004, 18:43: Message edited by: KroolDeath ]

[Ozymandias]

Frosted Flake are you okay? It seemed like you staled Last turn, and you have six hours to connect before you stale this one.

On a diffrent topic, persuant to my bug report in the bug thread, Vigabrand did you just capture province 101? Yossar did you capture province 14 or 52 at aproximately turn 9? djtool is your capitol province 103 or 118? Has anyone else captured a vp?

Sorry if this is revealing information that I shouldn't have, I just want to confirm that I have discovered a buggy information channel. Particularly I appolgize to djtool if my suspicions are correct.

[ August 01, 2004, 22:46: Message edited by: Ozymandias ]

[Ozymandias]

T minus twenty minutes until turn sixteen. Looks like frosted flake staled again. I hope you are okay ff. Nobody has said anything about the buggy score graph, I'm quite interested in that.

[ August 02, 2004, 00:41: Message edited by: Ozymandias ]

[KroolDeath]

Ozy, what are you seeing? You've got my curiousity.

Krool

[archaeolept]

i believe the master password should allow me to go in and set him to AI. If he hasn't shown up w/in the next day that's what I'll do.

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by KroolDeath:
Ozy, what are you seeing? You've got my curiousity.

Krool <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">To reproduce the bug start an sp game with vp as a winning condition. Play whatever game you created. Advance to turn two, press f2, switch to the vp graph, press escape, press e, end turn, play game, play belle_air, press f2. You should see a graph showing that Ulm captured a vp on turn fifteen, Atlantis captured one on turn nine or ten (his second conquest in any case), and that C'tis has had one since the beginning of the game. Nobody else has any. You're in hard_slog, that's the game I was looking at... it's vp graph didn't reveal anything interesting beyond R'lyeh being in province 132, and Jotunheim being in province 115.

[ August 02, 2004, 05:26: Message edited by: Ozymandias ]

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by archaeolept:
i believe the master password should allow me to go in and set him to AI. If he hasn't shown up w/in the next day that's what I'll do. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Frosted flake put up a turn just a short time after he staled, so no need to AIify him.

[Yossar]

Originally posted by Ozymandias:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by KroolDeath:
Ozy, what are you seeing? You've got my curiousity.

Krool <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">To reproduce the bug start an sp game with vp as a winning condition. Play whatever game you created. Advance to turn two, press f2, switch to the vp graph, press escape, press e, end turn, play game, play belle_air, press f2. You should see a graph showing that Ulm captured a vp on turn fifteen, Atlantis captured one on turn nine or ten (his second conquest in any case), and that C'tis has had one since the beginning of the game. Nobody else has any. You're in hard_slog, that's the game I was looking at... it's vp graph didn't reveal anything interesting beyond R'lyeh being in province 132, and Jotunheim being in province 115. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Wow, I'm pretty sure that's correct and it's a really interesting bug.

[Ozymandias]

That's why I was hoping for some confirmation. Seems like it's a bug.

[Ozymandias]

Thufir just connected so we ought to see turn eighteen presently.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Ozymandias:
To reproduce the bug start an sp game with vp as a winning condition. Play whatever game you created. Advance to turn two, press f2, switch to the vp graph, press escape, press e, end turn, play game, play belle_air, press f2. You should see a graph showing that Ulm captured a vp on turn fifteen, Atlantis captured one on turn nine or ten (his second conquest in any case), and that C'tis has had one since the beginning of the game. Nobody else has any. You're in hard_slog, that's the game I was looking at... it's vp graph didn't reveal anything interesting beyond R'lyeh being in province 132, and Jotunheim being in province 115. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Uhm...Chief? Belle_Air and hard_slog are Mosehansen games. They have score graphs enabled by default. It's perfectly NORMAL to see a VP graph on Mosehansen. I don't see anything unusual here.

[Yossar]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Ozymandias:
To reproduce the bug start an sp game with vp as a winning condition. Play whatever game you created. Advance to turn two, press f2, switch to the vp graph, press escape, press e, end turn, play game, play belle_air, press f2. You should see a graph showing that Ulm captured a vp on turn fifteen, Atlantis captured one on turn nine or ten (his second conquest in any case), and that C'tis has had one since the beginning of the game. Nobody else has any. You're in hard_slog, that's the game I was looking at... it's vp graph didn't reveal anything interesting beyond R'lyeh being in province 132, and Jotunheim being in province 115. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Uhm...Chief? Belle_Air and hard_slog are Mosehansen games. They have score graphs enabled by default. It's perfectly NORMAL to see a VP graph on Mosehansen. I don't see anything unusual here. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If VP victory conditions aren't enabled, as they aren't in this game, then VPs don't appear on the score graph. So it isn't perfectly NORMAL.

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Yossar:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Norfleet:
Uhm...Chief? Belle_Air and hard_slog are Mosehansen games. They have score graphs enabled by default. It's perfectly NORMAL to see a VP graph on Mosehansen. I don't see anything unusual here. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If VP victory conditions aren't enabled, as they aren't in this game, then VPs don't appear on the score graph. So it isn't perfectly NORMAL. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ah - the bug isn't the score graphs, the bug is the VPs showing up in the score graphs for a game without victory points enabled.

[KroolDeath]

Early warning...

I will probably stale this Saturday again unless one of two things:

1) Our gracious host will change this to 72h for this weekend (which wouldn't be a bad overall thing to do for every weekend. Can you set it that way?).

2) I can find someone to take that single turn.

If no response to )1 and I'll shoot for 2).

Hate to miss anything at this point, its starting to shape in what I think may be a great game (from my newbie point of view).

Fun so far guys!

Krool

[Ozymandias]

Turn 23 is up.

[archaeolept]

I can do your turn for you this weekend if you want Krooldeath. email me @hotmail.com if you wish me to, and tell me what you'ld like me to do.

edit: oh darn krooldeath, I remembered that you are also in hard_slog. I certainly can't do your move for you there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ August 06, 2004, 15:38: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

[KroolDeath]

My apologies once again. I had some one lined up to take my turn and then I had problems at work which inhibited me from getting the info to the individual.

Anyway, I've taken my turn (as you guys are aware I'm sure).

Krool

[Yossar]

Well, I'm going out of town for a week. I posted a new thread looking for a sub, but nobody's replied yet. Not sure what I'll do if nobody volunteers by tomorrow.

[archaeolept]

ehh yossar, if you don't find someone i'll try to sub for the week, though its possible i might stale one day this weekend.

archaeolept@hotmail.com

[Ozymandias]

Turn thirty is up. The wicked C'tisians attacked me. I shall punish them for this.

[Yossar]

Well, I control the capitols of the dead nations Arco, Machaka, Tien Chi, and Abysia. I believe that makes me the winner. Too bad Ermor kept staling at the end, kind of killing the drama of our final showdown. Good game everyone.

[archaeolept]

yes. yossar is the winnar!

[KroolDeath]

Yes, good game. Yossar, nice job.

Interesting experience for my first MP. I thoroughly enjoyed it and learned alot, both from mistakes and otherwise.I think I did fairly well, but can see where I did many things wrong. I may write a synopsis later on on my experience, perhaps it will be useful for newbs(or maybe not).

Krool

[KroolDeath]

arch,

You going to shut this game down, I still see it active, not sure if I'm supposed to be taking a turn or not since we have a declared winner.

Krool

[archaeolept]

oh ok

yah will do

sorry

Congrats to all and to all a good night!

[KroolDeath]

Congrats once again Yossar. See you on the battlefield again I'm sure.

Krool

[Yossar]

Thanks, it was a fun game even if I was a bit less than completely honest diplomatically. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif