MP Game - "Throne Of Heavens", veterans and experienced players only (full) [Archive]

Stormbinder

July 31st, 2004, 12:56 AM

Greetings All.

The purpose of this announcement is to organize a long, epic and fun Dominions 2 game with challenging, interesting and friendly group of players. The game will have several carefully designed house rules to prevent standard "cheese" and exploits, and to increase the fun for all participating players.

Only serious Dom2 players may apply. That means those who are reasonably sure that they can keep up with game schedule as the game progress and turns will take longer, and those who don't quit the moment things go wrong for them and who generally determined to stick to the end, no matter if it is sweet one or bitter one. If due to some RL emergency you will have to abandon the game, you promise to try to give other fellow players as advanced warning as possible and you will do your best to find a human sub for your nation. The goal is to avoid AWOL players as well as AI nations in this game.

Here are the rules of the game:

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1. The “Throne Of Heavens” is no-newbies game, sorry. Only experienced and veteran Dom2 MP players are allowed to join.

2. The settings will be set to Indep 7, Magic 50, HOF15, Score Graphs Off, Renaming allowed.

3. We will play on either Zen's Cradle of Dominion or Karan map, depending on the number of players and the MP public opinion on Zen's Cradle, which some people are trying right now.

4. The total number of players will be 6-8 for Karan map, 8-10 for Zen's Cradle of Dominion.

5. The house rules will be:

5.1 No massive clams hoarding. Each nation is allowed to have only 20 clams max. This purpose of this rule is to give each nation ability to get nice additional astral income, if they will choose to follow this path, while preventing possible severe imbalances at the end game, where some nations could get 200 astral gem income per turn from clams alone, and chaincast Wishes spells, et cetera.

5.2 No VQ pretenders allowed.

5.3 No Ermor nation allowed.

5.4 No "madcastling" in this game.

This rule is intentionally left informal. A lot of people, me including, think that the strategy of covering your entire territory with 300gp castles/temples makes game mindboglingly boring for other players and is very "cheesy". I've thought of several ideas how to formulate this rule in hard terms (percentage of territory, limit on how often you can build castles, limit on total number of castles, prohibiting Watchtowers and Mausoleums, etc...). However they all either require constant counting and bookkeeping, which is annoying, or may not be very efficient.

So at the end I've decided to put it simple: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

If you do not know how to play without "madcastling", and/or intend to madcastle in this game, please do NOT join it.

I will not give exact definition in numbers of what "madcastling" is, but you all know what I mean. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Generally if you have castles in more than half of you provinces, especially in the beginning and in the middle of the game, than you are likely to be madcastling. Again, this is just a general rule for your convenience, but I've decided to rely on players good faith and common sense here, rather than force everybody to count their castles.

6. The game will run on 24h quickhost. Later in the game we may switch it to 48h quickhost, if the players would prefer to run it this way once the things will get really hot.

7. Some additional information:

The writing of AARs and in-character interactions though diplomacy thread and though other in-game and out-of-game channels are encouraged. However it is not a requirement by any means, there will be no RPG police here. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif But if you want to use your imagination and add nice RPG flavor while playing your nation and your ruler, and/or write AAR after the game, you are most welcome to do it in the "Throne Of Heavens" game.

Diplomacy and trade communications between players through emails, IRC channels, forum threads, or other means are fully allowed.

For cheating in his previous games, Norfleet is Banned from joining this game.

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Please keep in mind that this is not a thread for discussion of house rules. If you have some questions or some comments about the rules of this game, you are most welcome to send them to me in PM, and I'll do my best to address your questions or your concerns. But I do not want this thread to become swarmed with discussions about Clams, Madcastling, etc. There are dozens of threads dedicated specifically to these controversial topics, but this is not one of them. Thank you for your understanding.

Please post the nation of your choice here if you have read the rules and interested in joining.

With best regards,
Stormbinder

[ August 06, 2004, 16:24: Message edited by: Zen ]

Cohen

July 31st, 2004, 01:36 AM

I claim my favorite nation,

Abysya.

Well unless you don't consider me a newbye http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

quantum_mechani

July 31st, 2004, 02:05 AM

I'm not sure why VQs are still outlawed, the nerf made them about middle of the pack, IMO.

Anyway, I think I will give Pangaea a try.

Stormbinder

July 31st, 2004, 02:58 AM

I will play Vanheim.

major^3

July 31st, 2004, 05:08 AM

i call mary

Zapmeister

July 31st, 2004, 05:36 AM

Put me down for Machaka

tinkthank

July 31st, 2004, 10:35 AM

I think I am still a newbie, so I guess I will wait with joining for a sec and until RL issues get settled. Just one question: Was that serious about cheating and Norfleet? I mean, how can one possibly cheat in this game, you can't hack it, can you?? And there is this "cheat protection", whatever that means?

Norfleet

July 31st, 2004, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by tinkthank:
I think I am still a newbie, so I guess I will wait with joining for a sec and until RL issues get settled. Just one question: Was that serious about cheating and Norfleet? I mean, how can one possibly cheat in this game, you can't hack it, can you?? And there is this "cheat protection", whatever that means? That's a totally unrelated issue. Storm is just endlessly harping about the fact that I entered another one of his games under an alias, and there's an entire piss-and-moanfest attached to the entire matter that I'm not interested in recounting. The short Version is that he likes to call this "cheating", even though it has nothing to do with actual cheats.

Suffice it to say that we've mutually Banned each other from any games we start.

[ July 31, 2004, 09:56: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

tinkthank

July 31st, 2004, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Norfleet:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tinkthank:
I think I am still a newbie, so I guess I will wait with joining for a sec and until RL issues get settled. Just one question: Was that serious about cheating and Norfleet? I mean, how can one possibly cheat in this game, you can't hack it, can you?? And there is this "cheat protection", whatever that means? That's a totally unrelated issue. Storm is just endlessly harping about the fact that I entered another one of his games under an alias, and there's an entire piss-and-moanfest attached to the entire matter that I'm not interested in recounting. The short Version is that he likes to call this "cheating", even though it has nothing to do with actual cheats.

Suffice it to say that we've mutually Banned each other from any games we start. <hr /></blockquote>Ah right, ok. Well hm, odd. I couldn't really imagine you cheating (in a more direct sense of "cheating"). Since you are such an obvious veteran, I can imagine that entering a game under an alias would actually make sense, even if this does give you an "advantage" (since otherwise people will probably be like: "Watch out for Norfleet!"), because you must get sick and tired of being ganged up upon. (No one is ever frightened of me -- kind of nice, actually!)

Stormbinder

July 31st, 2004, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by tinkthank:
I think I am still a newbie, so I guess I will wait with joining for a sec and until RL issues get settled. Just one question: Was that serious about cheating and Norfleet? I mean, how can one possibly cheat in this game, you can't hack it, can you?? And there is this "cheat protection", whatever that means? Yes, I was very serious. Don't pay attention to what Norf wrote below, it is total nonsense. Entering the game under alias has nothing to do with his cheating. For the details on this whole ugly issue you may search the forums, there were several huge threads related to it not too long ago. However this thread is not a place for discussing it. Suffice to say that we "didn't ban each other" of course. The Norfeet is Banned by at least three forum regulars, who orginize MP games here, from all future games as the result of his cheating.

Any future discussion of this topic will have to take place somewhere else. This thread is for the recruitment of new players for Throne of Heavens game and for nothing else. Thank you.

Regards,
Stormbinder

[ July 31, 2004, 10:26: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Mark the Merciful

July 31st, 2004, 03:49 PM

I'll claim Arco.

Catquiet

July 31st, 2004, 03:58 PM

I'll play Caelum.

Stormbinder

July 31st, 2004, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Catquiet:
I'll play Caelum. Hi Catquiet. Haven't seen you for a long time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

You are welcome to join the game of course. However I would like to ask you to choose 2nd race in addition to Caelum, if you don't mind. If we will play Zen's Cradle map, the Caelum may be prohibited from because on the original Dominion Cradle it had very large advantage over all other races due to the unque nature of Cradle map.

Now Zen has made a lot of modifications to the origianl Cradle, and the jury is still out on it, as I said in my first post. You can check this thread for details if you like - http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=74&t=003247 I am still waiting to hear more opinions from Zen's Cradle players about that map, after I've posted my questions on that game thread.

I am not saying that Caelum will certanly be baned if we will play Zen's Cradle. We shall see what the public feedback will be on that map. But just in case, I would recomend you to choose 2nd race, if Caelum will not be avalaible.

Regards,
Stormbinder

[ July 31, 2004, 19:34: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Stormbinder

July 31st, 2004, 08:59 PM

All right, here is the current list of the nations and players:

Pangeya (Qunatum)
Abyssia (Cohen)
Marignon (Major)
Machaka (Zapmesiter)
Caelum(?) (Catquiet)
Arco (Mark)
Vanheim (Stormbinder)

Currently we have 7 players. Few more and we wll have enough for Zen's Cradle of Dominion map.

[ July 31, 2004, 20:19: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Reverend Zombie

July 31st, 2004, 10:35 PM

I'll take C'tis, if you'll have me.

Stormbinder

July 31st, 2004, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by Reverend Zombie:
I'll take C'tis, if you'll have me. We will, welcome Reverend Zombie.

Current list of nations:

Pangeya (Qunatum)
Abyssia (Cohen)
Marignon (Major)
Machaka (Zapmesiter)
Caelum(?) (Catquiet)
Arco (Mark)
Vanheim (Stormbinder)
C'tis (Reverend Zombie)

We currently have 8 players. Maltrease have expressed interest in joining this game a week ago, so I would like to reserve one slot for him, until I'll have a chance to speak with him.

We now have one Last available slot, or two slots if Maltresease will not be able to play. Perhaps it would be good if somebody will take one of the underwater nations, Cradle map have enough space for one aquatic race.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Regards,
Stormbinder

[ July 31, 2004, 22:11: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

archaeolept

August 1st, 2004, 12:35 AM

ok, mictlan. hopefully a majority of the other players will agree to go to 48 hrs QH come the late game.

[ July 31, 2004, 23:39: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

Catquiet

August 1st, 2004, 12:41 AM

Ok, I'll be Jotunheim if we play the cradle map.

Stormbinder

August 1st, 2004, 01:15 AM

All right, we currently have 9 or 10 players, so we will definetly play Zen's Cradle map.

We may have Last open spot for the person playing water race (otherwise I think it could happen that my Vanheim will have too much free hand in the seas, and I want to keep this game fair and balanced for everybody). As soon as we will get this Last player we will be ready to start, and I'll PM all of you host address and port number. Stay tuned. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ August 01, 2004, 01:15: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Cainehill

August 1st, 2004, 01:35 AM

If you need a water race - I'll take R'lyeh.

WraithLord

August 1st, 2004, 09:46 AM

If there's still place for one more nation I'd be taking pythium.

YellowCactus

August 1st, 2004, 03:57 PM

This looks like it's going to be a great game....
-Luck all
Yc

Cainehill

August 2nd, 2004, 05:22 AM

I'm going to bow out - not really enough time to get into another normal paced game, plus some philophical issues.

This free R'lyeh, and allows anyone else to choose one of the two aquatic races.

Stormbinder

August 2nd, 2004, 06:58 AM

All right, here is the current list of nations and players:

Pangeya (Qunatum)
Abyssia (Cohen)
Marignon (Major)
Machaka (Zapmesiter)
Jotunheim (Catquiet)
Arco (Mark)
Vanheim (Stormbinder)
C'tis (Reverend Zombie)
Mictlan (Archaeolept)

That's 9 players. Maltrease will not be able to join this game due to his time constrains, and that means that we have one Last spot left for an aquatic race. Izaqyos, if you like you can join the game as Atlantis or R'lyeh, if you are interested in playing one of those nations. Otherwise the aquatic slot is open.

Regards,
Stormbinder

Stormbinder

August 2nd, 2004, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by YellowCactus:
This looks like it's going to be a great game....
-Luck all
Yc We shall see how it'll go, but I certanly hope so. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Thanks YellowCactus.

[ August 02, 2004, 06:09: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Zapmeister

August 2nd, 2004, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Izaqyos, if you like you can join the game as Atlantis or R'lyeh, if you are interested in playing one of those nations. Otherwise the aquatic slot is open.
How long will we wait for the aquatic slot to fill?
Can we upload pretenders in the meantime?

WraithLord

August 2nd, 2004, 07:42 AM

I'd like to join the game is R'lyeh.
However I'd be on a business trip today and be back only tommorow evening (my time zone is GMT+2).
I can email my pretender before I leave.

edit. can't find stormbinder's email address.
If you are in a real hurry to start then you are welcome to find another player. If not, tommorow evening I'd be able to upload my pretender and start the game.
Anyway, have a nice game everyone.

[ August 02, 2004, 06:57: Message edited by: izaqyos ]

Stormbinder

August 2nd, 2004, 03:33 PM

All right, the game is now full and closed.

The server is up. I've send to each of you its IP and port number in PM. If for some reason somebody didn't get it, please contact me ASAP.

Let's upload our pretenders. If all pretenders will be present, I'll start the game tommorow evening (August 3rd, PST timezone). The server is set on 24h quickhost.

Cheers,
Stormbinder

WraithLord

August 3rd, 2004, 08:24 PM

Glad to be aboard http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

BTW,
After the game has progressed and the turns start taking a long time would it be possible to switch to slower host pace?

archaeolept

August 3rd, 2004, 08:46 PM

After the game has progressed and the turns start taking a long time would it be possible to switch to slower host pace? that's very much my hope. as long as a majority are ok w/ that, storm said it shouldn't be any problem.

oh, and as all the pretenders have been uploaded, let's get a move on!

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Stormbinder

August 3rd, 2004, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by archaeolept:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />After the game has progressed and the turns start taking a long time would it be possible to switch to slower host pace? that's very much my hope. as long as a majority are ok w/ that, storm said it shouldn't be any problem.

<hr /></blockquote>That is correct.

Mark the Merciful

August 3rd, 2004, 10:17 PM

Is the server down?

Reverend Zombie

August 4th, 2004, 12:09 AM

I agree, there seems to be a problemo with the server.

Stormbinder

August 4th, 2004, 12:28 AM

Yes, I think the server have crashed when I've started the game earlier today. I've send email and PM to Yossar (the host owner), but haven't recieve reply yet. I'll let you know as soon as the server will be back Online, hopefully it'll be later today. Yossar's host is runing under Linux, which should be stable with Dom2 as far as host concern. /knocks on wood/ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Regards,
Stormbinder

[ August 03, 2004, 23:30: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

quantum_mechani

August 4th, 2004, 02:14 AM

Server is up. Unfortunately, it nagots out when I try to play my turn. Something about not finding a mod file.

archaeolept

August 4th, 2004, 02:37 AM

yeah its nagotting:
"myloadmalloc: can't open ./mods/test.dm"

archaeolept

August 4th, 2004, 02:37 AM

dp

[ August 04, 2004, 01:38: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

Cohen

August 4th, 2004, 02:37 AM

I can't take my turn.

It says something about "mymalloc" and it cannot open something in the MOD directory ...

Norfleet

August 4th, 2004, 02:49 AM

Your host has accidentally left his test mod enabled when creating your game. The game will have to be restarted, after the mod has been disabled.

Stormbinder

August 4th, 2004, 03:22 AM

It looks like Yossir forgot to disconnect some old test mod of his. I've emailed him about the problem we are having. We may need to reupload our pretenders though. Stay tuned.

Reverend Zombie

August 4th, 2004, 04:16 AM

Nagot!!!

Zapmeister

August 4th, 2004, 05:11 AM

If you're quick, there should be a free slot on mosehansen right now. You'd have to upload the zencradle mapfile though.

Yossar

August 4th, 2004, 07:07 AM

bleh, sorry about that. server and game have been restarted and are waiting for pretenders to be uploaded.

Stormbinder

August 4th, 2004, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by Yossar:
bleh, sorry about that. server and game have been restarted and are waiting for pretenders to be uploaded. It's ok Yossar, **** happenes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Thank you for puting it back Online and fixing it. Set it on 24h quick host please.

All right guys, let's upload our pretenders again. As soon as all 10 pretenders are in the the game can be started. (unless Yossar had to do it himslef like the Last time).

Yossar

August 4th, 2004, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
All right guys, let's upload our pretenders again. As soon as all 10 pretenders are in the the game can be started. (unless Yossar had to do it himslef like the Last time). Think I do. I could probably set up the command line to start it correctly but this way is easier for me. Assuming everyone uploads by tomorrow at noon EST, I'll start it then.

Stormbinder

August 4th, 2004, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Yossar:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Stormbinder:
All right guys, let's upload our pretenders again. As soon as all 10 pretenders are in the the game can be started. (unless Yossar had to do it himslef like the Last time). Think I do. I could probably set up the command line to start it correctly but this way is easier for me. Assuming everyone uploads by tomorrow at noon EST, I'll start it then. <hr /></blockquote>Excellent, thank you.

Reverend Zombie

August 4th, 2004, 02:27 PM

archaeolept

August 5th, 2004, 01:02 AM

ok everyone is re-uploaded. start?

Yossar

August 5th, 2004, 03:38 AM

ok, game started. set on quick host for the moment. i'll change it to 24 hour quickhost after a turn passes.

archaeolept

August 5th, 2004, 03:44 AM

sorry to report, i got the exact same nagot: "malloc.... can't open ./mods/test.dm"

edit: though, strangely, it appears that abysia was able to do a turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[ August 05, 2004, 02:45: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

Norfleet

August 5th, 2004, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by archaeolept:
sorry to report, i got the exact same nagot: "malloc.... can't open ./mods/test.dm"Try deleting your old game first.

archaeolept

August 5th, 2004, 03:58 AM

yah lol i forgot about that.

game is up and flying http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

archaeolept

August 5th, 2004, 06:23 PM

ok for turn 2 i'm getting the endless "waiting for game info" connection bug. From experience on mosehansen's server, the game needs to be stopped and restarted. I'll send yossar a PM.

archaeolept

August 5th, 2004, 07:31 PM

thanks yossar!

Stormbinder

August 5th, 2004, 09:03 PM

All right, the game now officialy on turn 2. Cheers everyone! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

The server is currently not on 24h quickhost, but I assume that it is because Yossar want to see how the things go before switching it to quickhost. Correct? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Regards,
Stormbinder

Yossar

August 5th, 2004, 09:37 PM

I started the game on my main computer but now that it works I moved it over to my backup which does nothing else, so that should stop the .temp errors. It should be smooth sailing from now on, but you never really know...

WraithLord

August 5th, 2004, 10:17 PM

My scales seem to have dissapeared.
Instead of my well thought of scales I get -1 sloth and -2 misfortune.
Maybe it's a Dom-II bug or maybe it has to do with this specific game.

Anyway, I'm fine with that and will continue the game. albeit a bit dissapointed... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I wish you all good luck and good game.

Norfleet

August 5th, 2004, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by izaqyos:
My scales seem to have dissapeared.
Instead of my well thought of scales I get -1 sloth and -2 misfortune.
Maybe it's a Dom-II bug or maybe it has to do with this specific game.If you lost your Order scale, among other things, on Turn 2, this is a known Dom2 oddity. Nobody knows why exactly this happens. Your scales should reinstate themselves in due course. Think of it as a random event.

Stormbinder

August 6th, 2004, 04:01 AM

The server seems to be down atm.

Yossar

August 6th, 2004, 08:33 AM

Another temp error when it tried to host. They seem to have done something with the server system since patch 2.08 or 2.10 since it's a different error from what I used to get.

I'm running one single game in Windows 2000 so I have no idea what could be wrong. Any ideas?

archaeolept

August 6th, 2004, 07:36 PM

/me kicks Zombie

oh, and yossar, could you perhaps put the server on QH, not 24hr quickhost, when you go away for a week? If something messes up, and we can't connect, having the server force host anyways would destroy the game, instead of just creating a little haitus.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Stormbinder

August 6th, 2004, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by archaeolept:
/me kicks Zombie

oh, and yossar, could you perhaps put the server on QH, not 24hr quickhost, when you go away for a week? If something messes up, and we can't connect, having the server force host anyways would destroy the game, instead of just creating a little haitus.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I don't think it would matter much, since so far when something was messed up the server just go down and game stop (except "mod" problem that we had in the begining, which was fixed). But we can do it, I suppose, just in case. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

archaeolept

August 6th, 2004, 09:19 PM

well, before the machine really crashed, i was getting the perpetual "waiting for game info" bug. From experience on mosehansen's server, someone in a game could get that, everyone i guess, and yet the game will still go on.

archaeolept

August 6th, 2004, 09:30 PM

server down http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

did zombie get his turn in? because, if so, it seems to crash/get messed up only when hosting.

Yossar

August 6th, 2004, 09:38 PM

I accidentally kicked out the ethernet connection. Should be back up now. Right?

archaeolept

August 6th, 2004, 09:45 PM

yup http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ August 06, 2004, 20:45: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

Stormbinder

August 6th, 2004, 09:47 PM

n/t

[ August 06, 2004, 20:55: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Zapmeister

August 7th, 2004, 12:00 AM

I can't connect. It's a Windows box, right?

Looks like Linux is still the only reliable platform for serving Dominions http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ August 06, 2004, 23:50: Message edited by: Zapmeister ]

archaeolept

August 7th, 2004, 01:10 AM

i thought it was on linux actually http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

been a bit unlucky so far, no doubt.

Ironhawk

August 7th, 2004, 01:15 AM

I hosted a MP game on my standard issue win2k machine for 3 weeks without problems (Except my accidentally turning the machine off now and then).

Zapmeister

August 7th, 2004, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by archaeolept:
i thought it was on linux actually http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
 Originally posted by Yossar:
I'm running one single game in Windows 2000 so I have no idea what could be wrong. Any ideas?

Reverend Zombie

August 7th, 2004, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by archaeolept:
server down http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

did zombie get his turn in? because, if so, it seems to crash/get messed up only when hosting. I took my turn, the game hosted, then I disconnected.

I reconnected shortly thereafter to take my next turn. After putting in my orders, the game hung as I was trying to exit.

I force-quitted the game, then reconnected to make sure my orders uploaded--they had, apparently.

Now I can't connect.

archaeolept

August 7th, 2004, 03:52 AM

yeah, it is unhappily down again, perhaps for a completely unrelated reason.

Stormbinder

August 7th, 2004, 07:21 AM

Hmmm. If somebody will notice the free spot on Mose's server, please reserve it for us, ok? We can't keep buging Yossar to put server back each turn, he would go crazy. Besides he is leaving on vocation soon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Personally I could live with Scores turned ON. It's not that critical after all.

Stormbinder

Zapmeister

August 7th, 2004, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Hmmm. If somebody will notice the free spot on Mose's server, please reserve it for us, ok? We can't keep buging Yossar to put server back each turn, he would go crazy. Besides he is leaving on vocation soon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
I just tried to do this. The first task is to upload the zencradle map, but I received error 500 (Internal Server Error) trying to do that.

Someone else want to try?

EDIT: It just occurred to me that the server may not want to overwrite the existing cradle.tga file. We may not be able to do this without Mose's help.

EDIT: Next thought - maybe if I rename cradle.tga, and also change the reference to it from within the zencradle.map file ...

[ August 07, 2004, 07:08: Message edited by: Zapmeister ]

Stormbinder

August 7th, 2004, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Hmmm. If somebody will notice the free spot on Mose's server, please reserve it for us, ok? We can't keep buging Yossar to put server back each turn, he would go crazy. Besides he is leaving on vocation soon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
I just tried to do this. The first task is to upload the zencradle map, but I received error 500 (Internal Server Error) trying to do that.

Someone else want to try?

EDIT: It just occurred to me that the server may not want to overwrite the existing cradle.tga file. We may not be able to do this without Mose's help.

EDIT: Next thought - maybe if I rename cradle.tga, and also change the reference to it from within the zencradle.map file ... <hr /></blockquote>Heh, hit reply to suggest just that (changing names and map file reference to it) but you already added 2nd EDIT. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif If the problem iswith duplicate names, that would fix it without need for Mose's involvement. Could you please try again uploding it with new name and updated .map file and tell me what will happen?

Zapmeister

August 7th, 2004, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Could you please try again uploding it with new name and updated .map file and tell me what will happen?
Nope, same error and always after the upload. This is costing me a fortune, so I'm giving up. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Zapmeister

August 7th, 2004, 10:48 AM

The zencradle map is uploaded and there's a free slot. And I'm a complete moron for doing this, since I had a great start in the existing game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I'll leave to Stormbinder to actually create the game, if that's what he wants.

Stormbinder

August 7th, 2004, 10:49 AM

All right, I have uploaded Zen's Cradle on Mose's site.

Stormbinder

August 7th, 2004, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
The zencradle map is uploaded and there's a free slot. And I'm a complete moron for doing this, since I had a great start in the existing game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I'll leave to Stormbinder to actually create the game, if that's what he wants. ROFL!

You too Zap? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif I thought you gave up trying to do it. So I modified .map myself, downloaded stupid WinZip from the net, renamed both files, packed it and and uploaded it.

Now Mose's server is the proud owner of two Zen's Cradle maps. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif Mine is called "cradlez14". I mean - you can't get too much of good stuff, right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ August 07, 2004, 09:59: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Zapmeister

August 7th, 2004, 11:02 AM

So, are we officially restarting?
Can I delete the old game?

Stormbinder

August 7th, 2004, 11:16 AM

All right guys.

I think it is quite clear by now that the Yossar's server is not working for us, unfortunately. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif With game crashing one or more times each turn, and Yossar leaving on vocation next week, I think we should persue other opportunities.

Thanks to encouragement from Zapmesiter and our combined efforts to upload the map http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif , there is now new game on Mose's server, in the slot that become available just few minutes ago. The name of the game is (surprise! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) Throne_Of_Heavens.

If it is ok with everybody let's upload our pretenders there and use it as our host for this game. All game settings are identical of course to Yossar's game, the only difference is that it is not possible to turn OFF scores on Mose's. Some pleayers don't care about scores, some (like myself) dislike them. But hopefully it is not that critical difference for each of you.

I appologize for all these unconvibience. But as you know, it is not something I have any control over. At least nobody invested too much time into this game yet, since we only managed to get to turn 4 by now. On new server things should go smoothly and painlessly.

So what do you think guys? Is everybody Ok with Mose's server?

Regards,
Stormbinder

Zapmeister

August 7th, 2004, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
So what do you think guys? Is everybody Ok with Mose's server?
Actually, maybe we could just zip up and transfer the ftherlnd and .trn files from Yossar's machine to Mose's, and continue from turn 4 (?)

Stormbinder

August 7th, 2004, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Stormbinder:
So what do you think guys? Is everybody Ok with Mose's server?
Actually, maybe we could just zip up and transfer the ftherlnd and .trn files from Yossar's machine to Mose's, and continue from turn 4 (?) <hr /></blockquote>I don't think it is possible Zapmeister, unfortunately. Certanly not through the scripts that Mose have there. Besides, we only did 3 turns. It is easer to just start it again and be done with it. And you may do even better in the new game than in the Last one, who knows? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ August 07, 2004, 10:41: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Mark the Merciful

August 7th, 2004, 02:14 PM

mosehansen is fine with me. I'll go and upload my pretender now.

Mark

Edit: done

[ August 07, 2004, 13:18: Message edited by: Mark the Merciful ]

archaeolept

August 7th, 2004, 03:16 PM

lol yeah. i was just coming here to report that yossar's was down...

I'll upload right away. hopefully we can get organized enough to get a bunch of turns done this weekend.

[ August 07, 2004, 14:41: Message edited by: archaeolept ]

Reverend Zombie

August 7th, 2004, 04:04 PM

I've claimed C'tis on Mose's.

Stormbinder

August 7th, 2004, 07:22 PM

5 pretenders are uploaded on Mose's. Keep them coming! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

archaeolept

August 7th, 2004, 07:47 PM

waiting on marignon (major), abysia(cohen), jotunheim (catquiet), and r'lyeh (izaqyos).

Yossar

August 7th, 2004, 08:04 PM

Sorry, I really don't understand why it was getting a temp error after every turn. I've hosted games before with no problem. Something got changed in the Last patch and I'm not sure how to fix it...

Stormbinder

August 7th, 2004, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Yossar:
Sorry, I really don't understand why it was getting a temp error after every turn. I've hosted games before with no problem. Something got changed in the Last patch and I'm not sure how to fix it... It's ok Yoassar, it's not your fault. Thanks for all your efforts, I really apreciate it.

WraithLord

August 7th, 2004, 10:20 PM

Uploaded lovercraft's pretender http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Stormbinder

August 8th, 2004, 04:49 AM

9 pretenders are in, only Major with its Marignon is missing. Hurry up Major! The infidels are waiting for the flame of True Faith to lighten their way in the Valley of Darkness. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

archaeolept

August 8th, 2004, 12:38 PM

Stormbinder

August 8th, 2004, 04:37 PM

ehh, zen was kind enought to send major a note, and its not like he's even been able to connect to the old server in a day and a half. If he doesn't show up fricking soon I'd vote for a replacement.

Sounds reasonable to me. I'll send Major another note, and let's give him two more days to reapper. If he will not show up by Tuesday, we will get a replacement for him.

Zapmeister

August 8th, 2004, 08:19 PM

Why mess with a replacement? Nine's enough, IMHO.

archaeolept

August 8th, 2004, 09:23 PM

its already been 2 days since he Last would have been able to do a turn
and he hasn't shown up to inquire what's what. any takers?

Stormbinder

August 8th, 2004, 09:41 PM

I've sent Major PM, he haven't reponded yet.

I am ok with 9 players, if you guys think that this should be enough for the Cradle. As I said earlier, I haven't played this map in MP yet, but it seen to be not too large for 9 people.

Zapmeister

August 8th, 2004, 09:57 PM

(drums fingers impatiently)
Haven't we stuffed around for long enough?
Why not just start the game?

archaeolept

August 8th, 2004, 10:27 PM

I was really hoping we could get a number of turns in this weekend.

lol

archaeolept

August 9th, 2004, 12:51 AM

ok we tried to start it, but are having some technical problem :P

probably a little error on mose's server, as the other new game there is experiencing the same problem. until then, major still has time to upload his pretender http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Zapmeister

August 9th, 2004, 03:22 AM

until then, major still has time to upload his pretender http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Actually, he doesn't. The game is currently stopped.

major^3

August 9th, 2004, 02:44 PM

yea...
because the forum change here i guess (and ty i like this setup better) i was never notified about the server change till right now, and i hadnt seen storm in IRC when i have been there oh wellz
glhf to all!

Stormbinder

August 9th, 2004, 08:45 PM

The game have beed restarted and open once again. But there seem to eb a problem on Mose's server. I'll try to "start" it again, and if it fail, I'll pst a thread about it on the baord. Arcahe seem to indicated that other new games were having similar problems lately. So hopefully Mose will take care of it soon. Meanwhile if Major still want to play, he can upolod his pretnder while it is still open.

Stormbinder

August 10th, 2004, 12:42 AM

All right guys.

There are good news and there are bad news.

The good news are that the lost sheap Major has rejoined the flock. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif So there are 10 of us once again.

The bad news is that depite trying several things I still can not make the bloody game start. /threads/images/Graemlins/crazy.gif The message to Mose have been sent, and I have started the new thread, so hopefully we will start this game very soon. Stay tuned.

Stormbinder

August 10th, 2004, 07:30 AM

*Drums*

All right, after all these troubles the battered ship of our game has successefuly reached the safe harbor of Mose's server. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif With Mose's kind assistance, the game now is officaly started, we are on turn 1, 24H quickhost.

Good luck!

archaeolept

August 10th, 2004, 10:37 AM

i'm getting Nagotted:

Myloadmalloc: can't open files .../cradlez14.tga

hmm solved it. remamed my own .map and .tga cradlez14, and changed the line in the .map file...

major^3

August 10th, 2004, 02:58 PM

got the same thing, renamed my files and it worked

archaeolept

August 10th, 2004, 07:19 PM

yah, I redid my turn on another machine and I had to rename my files as well. I notice that half the players still haven't done their turns - I would worry that they tried, had it crash, and figured that things just hadn't been worked out yet.

If they don't check the thread they won't have any clue http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

also, Storm, do you know why there are 5 crowns on the map? are they naturally part of zen's modifications? because no VP are checked on mose under game options. Its not that important, just a bit puzzling http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

edit: sent pm's explaining the need to create a properly named .tga to the 4 laggards. hopefully they check their Messages.

Stormbinder

August 11th, 2004, 01:27 AM

All right, 7 hours until the next 2nd turn host.
Everybody submited their turns except Izaqyos.

BTW just so we would have the final list of players handy and easly accessable to everybody, I am going to repost it here:

R'lyeh (Izaqyos
Pangeya (Qunatum)
Abyssia (Cohen)
Marignon (Major)
Machaka (Zapmesiter)
Jotunheim (Catquiet)
Arco (Mark)
Vanheim (Stormbinder)
C'tis (Reverend Zombie)
Mictlan (Archaeolept)

Zapmeister

August 11th, 2004, 02:01 AM

In the hypothetical case that Izaqyos (or anyone else) goes AWOL in the next couple of turns, how many consecutive stales should we allow before using the master password?

The turn has run, BTW.

WraithLord

August 11th, 2004, 02:13 AM

that's not the case. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

archaeolept

August 11th, 2004, 03:03 AM

excellent.

and why are there VP crowns on the map again?

Stormbinder

August 11th, 2004, 03:15 AM

excellent.

and why are there VP crowns on the map again?

Frankly I have no idea. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I've seen it happened in some other games before. Just ignore them, we have no VPs in our game.

Stormbinder

August 13th, 2004, 05:34 PM

Turn 6 will host in 3 hours. It looks like Quantum may miss it, unless he will show up soon.

Stormbinder

August 14th, 2004, 04:18 AM

Turn 6, and Quantum indeed missed Last turn and looks like he will miss this one as well. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Quantum, are you leaving the game? If so, can you at least tell us so and post "looking for a sub" thread please?

Sheap is willing to become temp sub for Pangeya, until we will find perm player (or even perm sub, if we will not find somebody). But I need to know what are quantum intentions first.

major^3

August 14th, 2004, 01:36 PM

Stormbinder

August 14th, 2004, 05:08 PM

im moving back into school tomorrow afternoon

im not sure i will have internet set up when i get there
if someone can temp sub for a while it would be cool http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Start a thread in the main forum Major. Only players of our game are reading this thread, and obviously none of us can sub for you.

Stormbinder

September 13th, 2004, 08:33 PM

Bump!

2 players seem to be missing missing this turn, with less an hour until hosting time - Zombie and Maltrease.

Considering that the both are in wars, and Zombie just got a stalled turn and had most of his army wiped out, I think I should increase turn length, to give them a chance of sumbiting it, just for this turn.

1 player missing would be ok, but 2 out of only 7 left in the game by now a bit too much IMHO, especially since we had almost none stalled turns by anybody in this game up until now.

Is everybody ok with it?

Regards,
Stormbinder

Zapmeister

September 13th, 2004, 08:40 PM

Stormbinder said:
Is everybody ok with it?

Sure. In fact, I'd vote for more time every turn.

archaeolept

September 13th, 2004, 09:17 PM

yeah true. we should go to 48 hr QH sometime reasonably soon, because the damn game is starting to get complicated http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

quantum_mechani

September 13th, 2004, 09:25 PM

Stormbinder said:
and Zombie just got a stalled turn and had most of his army wiped out,

Actually, he could not have saved it anyway http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

But I'm fine with the turn length change.

Stormbinder

September 13th, 2004, 09:49 PM

quantum_mechani said:

Stormbinder said:
and Zombie just got a stalled turn and had most of his army wiped out,

Actually, he could not have saved it anyway http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

But I'm fine with the turn length change.

Actually he could if he would scripted it to retreat while making sure there is at least one province to retreat to. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Although it is unlikely that he would.

Mark the Merciful

September 15th, 2004, 08:33 AM

Hi,

I've taken over as Machaka effective immediately. Could anyone who thinks we have (or should have, or might have) diplomatic dealings contact me in-game, via PM or e-mail at marksweston@hotmail.com

Storm, could I ask a favour? I'm control freak enough to want to take over before the next turn processes, and Zap has already submitted a turn for Machaka. But I won't have access to the game for another 7 hours or so. So if the game is on quickhost, could that be switched off for this turn only?

Mark

Stormbinder

September 15th, 2004, 08:56 AM

Mark the Merciful said:
Hi,

I've taken over as Machaka effective immediately. Could anyone who thinks we have (or should have, or might have) diplomatic dealings contact me in-game, via PM or e-mail at marksweston@hotmail.com

Storm, could I ask a favour? I'm control freak enough to want to take over before the next turn processes, and Zap has already submitted a turn for Machaka. But I won't have access to the game for another 7 hours or so. So if the game is on quickhost, could that be switched off for this turn only?

Mark

Welcome Mark, or rather welcome back. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Sure, I'll do it for you. The quickhost have been swithed off and the timer reseted itself as a result of it.

I would also recomend you to talk to Zap about his current posision, the resourses and tactic of his opponents, and so on. As for diplomatic dealings - you are in war with myself, Marignon and R'leh. You have none-agression treaty with Mictlan. I don't know about your diplomatic relationship with Pangeya, but I think they are good.

Post here when you are done with reevaluating your turn, so I could switch the quickhost back and host the turn.

Regards,
Stormbinder

Stormbinder

September 15th, 2004, 09:37 PM

All right, since it is 4 hours past time when the game would host if I would just switch quickhost off upon mark's request, so I have switched it back to quickhost with additinal 10 hours interval since I didn't receive any future communications from Mark, and the game have hosted when Zombie submited his turns few minutes ago.

I am swithing it back to 24h quickhost now, if this is ok with everybody.

Mark the Merciful

September 16th, 2004, 05:13 AM

Sorry, I submitted Last night but forgot to post here. I am now fully on board.

Mark

Stormbinder

September 16th, 2004, 08:03 PM

Mark the Merciful said:
Sorry, I submitted Last night but forgot to post here. I am now fully on board.

Mark

Heh. So it was your turn after all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif I thought I feel the change of tactic. Good job.

My damned scout somehow managed to attack the province *before* my ghost riders. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

As the result my troops retreating from that scary tantrarian of yours were annihilated. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

I had to spend that (previous) turn bringing my AQ back.

Reverend Zombie

September 16th, 2004, 09:15 PM

Eh? I played this turn.

Stormbinder

September 16th, 2004, 10:57 PM

Reverend Zombie said:
Eh? I played this turn.

Yeap, you did.

Sorry, I thought you are going to miss it.

Mark the Merciful

September 17th, 2004, 10:29 AM

Stormbinder said:
As the result my troops retreating from that scary tantrarian of yours were annihilated. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

Nah, he's a teddy-bear really (unless you admit to hating the Teletubbies - for some reason that drives him mad...)

Anyway, credit goes to Zap who built and equipped the guy. I just get to play with him. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Stormbinder

September 19th, 2004, 11:09 PM

Duh!

I have idea where this message from host could probably came from guys. *confused* All my gold is totally accounted for, it is my income minus my maintainence, minus some bad events.

The only possible thing I couls think about as a reason for it, is that this warning may have something to do with me alchemising some of my firegems for the cash Last turn. But I have done it several times before in this game, without any problem.

Or maybe it have something to do with server recently upgrading to 2.14 and me still using 2.12?

In any case I am going to upgrade to 2.14 now, since I was just waiting for Mose and my other MP game to upgrade.

I have posted the description if this event together with message from host in bug thread on the top of 1st page. Of course I also offered to send my turns to devs, and I could aslo send them to any 3rd party if anybody would like me to.

I think everybody on this Boards knows that I hate cheating deeply, and have gone to great lengths to expose it in the past. So recieveing this message from the host this turn in my own game was pretty ironic, but at the same time quite disturbing to me. >;(((

Regards,
Stormbinder

deccan

September 19th, 2004, 11:26 PM

There was an issue that the devs raised earlier about blood slaves counts triggering the cheat detection as well, and saying that cheat detection doesn't work for Abysia and Mictlan. I didn't see it fixed in the 2.14 release notes so I wonder if that's fixed as well.

Stormbinder

September 20th, 2004, 12:13 AM

deccan said:
There was an issue that the devs raised earlier about blood slaves counts triggering the cheat detection as well, and saying that cheat detection doesn't work for Abysia and Mictlan. I didn't see it fixed in the 2.14 release notes so I wonder if that's fixed as well.

I'll keep it in mind Deccan, thank you.

BTW in my case I have found what was the reason for the alarm this turn. It was indeed an alchemy with Stone, just as I suspected.

From 2.13 patch fixed bugs list:

Using the Alchemist's Stone could falsly trigger the cheat detection.

I am still not sure why it never occured to me before, since I've used Stone in many other MP games, and used it in our game as well several times. (I don't have much use for firegems). But this is clearly it.

Upgrading to 2.14 now as I type it... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif If anybody else in this game still using patches prior to 2.14 I suggest you do it as well. Just pay special attention to items in your one handed commanders before upgrade http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Regards,
Stormbinder

quantum_mechani

September 20th, 2004, 02:50 AM

I've trigger cheat detection in an SP Mackaka when I was alchemizing the income from many fire fetishes.

Stormbinder

September 20th, 2004, 09:25 PM

Hey guys.

There are some temporary troubles with Throne of Heavens game. I've changed settings (increasing this turn's timer a little bit), but when I've tried to restart the game it tells me "game has been successefully restarted", but in fact its status is still "stoped". I've tried it several times, giving it time to implement the changes, but with no success so far.

I've send email to Mose, waiting for his reply now. I'll post here as soon as I'll get more information. Hopefully the game will be restarted soon. Stay tuned!

Stormbinder

September 21st, 2004, 05:52 PM

The game is up and runing again, new turn 54 have been hosted.

My thanks to Mose for the quick intervention!

Stormbinder

September 21st, 2004, 07:56 PM

Since the game is geting increasingly more complicated, and since some people have been asking for it, I am switching the game to 48h quickhost, if it is ok with everybody.

Stormbinder

October 4th, 2004, 12:26 AM

Greetings all.

I regret to say but I am going to bow out of this game at this point.

About 5 turns ago Mictlan(Archaeolept) offered an "alliance victory" option to Pangeya(qunatum_mechanic) against my Vanheim nation, and Panquea accepted it. Frankly I was quite startled by such development, especially after all that Machaka controversity and discussions of "fair" and "not fair" victories and gameplay. IMO the idea from the begining of this game, which was even reflected in the name, was that "The Throne Of Heavens can have but one owner". (c) But as Archae told me, it was not officially in the rules, and it become clear to me that unfortunatly both Mictlan and Pangeya have different ideas of what constitutes a fair victory. They also both replied to me that they dislike endgames, and would like to be over with it as soon as they can. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

My attempts to talk to Archae and QM against such "alliance victory" were not successeful. But I think that in the situation when Micltan alone was stronger than me (he had 10 times more SCs, more gem income, better reseach, much better army), him offering "alliance victory" to the 3rd major nation did not make much sense to me, to put it mildly. ;(

But this is just my opinion, clearly Archae and QM feel differently, or they would not go ahead with such "strategy". I am not going to start discussion on this. What I am telling here is my personal opinion, nothing else. Other people may feel differently.

All I can say is that if I wanted to win the game in such manner, I would won it twice already, beyond any doubts. As you all know well, Machaka offered me to do similar things by "throwing the game in my favor" on two different occasions, when he was still very powerfull nation. And as you know I did everything I could to refuse such victory, since I simply didn't feel there is any glory or fun in it. I also worked hard to find sub for Machaka, together with Zap, so I would not overun his huge empire in 2-3 turns as I would if it would be swithced to AI in the middle of the war with me. All these actions of mine were motivated not by masohism, http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif but by simple desire to have "fun" and "fair" endgame, instead of automatic victory for my nation. And of course I don't regret it, since vitory does not mean much to me comparable to fun and challenging gameplay.

But anyway, enough about it. I don't want to start discussion of what fair and what not. I am just explaining my motives and feelings. If you guys will want to continue this game and will find a sub for me, I'll be glad to provide my password along with master password for the game. Although I must say that in this situation when 2 out of 3 major nations agreed to share "alliance victory", the rest of the nations don't have any chance to win, no matter who will play them. I could still struggle for a very long time in this game, since I have a lot of different resourses, unique artifacts and strong overall position, but such "endgame" simply does not make any sense for me.

To be fair, I want to say that both Archae and QM played well, and they lead their nations to become one of the major nations in the game by using good skills and tactics. I also freely admit that their combinded might is stronger than that of my nation, or any other combination of nations. I just wished they would not decide at the end to go ahead with "alliance victory" in such sitiation, simply because they "dislike endgames". ;(

Anyway, I want to thank each and every player in this game, both permament players and subs. IMHO the game was a real bLast. I think the house rules worked very well and prevented a lot of end-game cheese that plaqued so many other MP dom2 games. I hope you liked them as well.

I hope each of you guys had a lot of fun with this game. So my deep thanks to you all for all your time and efforts to create this great gaming experience, I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.

Take care!

With best regards,
Stormbinder

WraithLord

October 4th, 2004, 04:17 PM

My two cents.

Assuming that Pangaea and Mictlan have indeed agreed to an allied victory.
I think it is against the "spirit" of the game as I understood it.
The game was supposed to be FFA. With only one winner.
Deciding on "allied" victory in such a game spoils the fun of it for the other players (at least for me).
Anyway, this is my sentiment. Don't think I care much for continuing the game given the way things stand.

Thufir

October 5th, 2004, 06:41 AM

Can I ask if this game is actually being played or not? The reason I ask is that Tyrant had recently opened a new game, got a crew signed up, and then stopped the game at my request when I screwed up my pretender upload. He did not immediately create a new game, and when he attempted to, the 23 game limit had been reached. Since no new games have been created since his attempt, that means that some older game must've been stopped and restarted. My best guess is that this is the game that's been restarted.

So, if you guys are not intending to play this out, can we coordinate w/ Tyrant to make sure that Tyrant gets the slot?

TIA,

Thufir

archaeolept

October 5th, 2004, 05:08 PM

the game is still going, whatever storm's self-righteous spaz.

he should be looking for a substitute.

Frankly, we've only been fighting for 3 turns, and I offered to w/draw my acceptance of a combined victory. as such, storm's claim that
My attempts to talk to Archae and QM against such "alliance victory" were not successeful.

is an out and out lie. I don't much care whether there's an alliance victory or not, though long endgames bore me.

Let us be clear: storm's extremely aggressive diplomacy towards both me and quantum alienated both of us - even though all my initial plans for the game originally involved looking for an ally against quantum's pangaia. However, storm was just so irritating and self-righteous both of us eventually coalesced against him. And, to us, he looked to be the strongest as he had just taken out most of the southern continent.

What then happened was that storm put forth a lot of bragging and trash talk. frankly, i believed him as to his capabilites and fully expected to lose two armies this past turn; especially since he's played far more endgames than I have. However, it was all hot air, and this Last turn he blew most of his prime units on obviously risky and unthought-out attacks. This is why he now wants to find some excuse to quit, not any supposed victory agreement between me and quantum.

Remember: this was his game, his "no quitters" game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

he had 10 times more SCs, more gem income, better reseach, much better army)

10 times? that's bizarre, and quite untrue are you saying that I had 80+ SCs? (since you had at least 8 that i even knew about, including an allfather, 2 air queens, 2 water queens, an AQ mummy, and tartarians). my gem income was slightly higher, and my army better (though unknown to me, as I did not know what storm's forces consisted of).
All I can say is that if I wanted to win the game in such manner, I would won it twice already, beyond any doubts.

but here we see the essence of storm's mental processes: he seems to need to convince himself that he deserves to win so badly that he w/draws into fantasy. Machaka also offered me an alliance; and at the stage where storm was offered the alliance, Machaka had already been largely eviscerated by the war and had absolutely no forces to send against me; much less sufficient forces to destroy me lol. Storm was uninterested in an alliance w/ machak because he expected to take out all of machaka's remaining territory, which he almost did.

Anyways, the alliance victory no longer holds (it was never set in stone anyways - as I just told quantum that I would accept one), since storm is being so whiny about it.

No quitters huh? LOL

Stormbinder

October 5th, 2004, 07:21 PM

What a pile of nonsense Archae. I am somewhat dissapointed to hear it from you.

You mostly did not dispute any of the facts that I said in my post, you are just trying to spin them around.

And when you try to contradict me directly it is simply untrue.

Just few points from your letter:

I only have 1 water queen, not 2. Always had.

As I said you were leading in *all* graphs when you offered that "alliance victory" option to qunatum, except my slight lead in provinces and gold income. You had more gem income, better reseach, *much* more SCs(specifically you had all Archdevils, all Icedevils, Demon Lords (except those owened by Pangeya), Helios(excpet those owned by Pangeya), your pretender), some some Fire/Earth Kings, plus other SCs), *much* better army, *much* more blood income.
All SCs I had, when you and Pangeya joined in "alliance victory" plan against me that you have offered to him, was 2(two) AQs , 1(one) pretender, 1(one) WQ, and 1(one) tantarian. 1 AQ mummy came either around that time or shortly after it, and was promptly blinded in the very first battle with Machaka. I had no other SCs whatsoever. Your math has nothing to do with reality.
In such conditions offering "alliance victory" to 3rd (and Last) major nation is very lame in my honest opinion.

I expressed my feeling about it to you and to quantum very clearly at that time. You personally told me that this was not directly prohibited by the rules, that's the way you want to play it, and that you dislike endgames. Quantum said pretty much the same, and he also told me that he accepted your offer and because of this he is withdrewing from NoneAgressionTreaty with me. Are you going to dispute it? Or are you telling that QM was lieing?

Finally I already freely admited that your 2 combined nations are obviously stronger than any combination of all other nations, including my own. So your boasting about your two victories this turn does not make any sense, since I already admited that I will eventualy lose. I killed Quantum's pretender this turn, got 2 very expensive unique battle artifacts from him, wiped out 2 of his armis and broke the gates of two of his castles while breaking his sieges on two of mine. I also suffered some serious losses. But it all does not matter at the end, since as I said the writing on the wall is clear.

The Machaka part of your letter is totally untrue. He offered me to throw the game in my favor on two ocasions, first time when he was still the largest nation in the world. You, Archae, have agreed yourself that he could easely do it, if he would go ahead with his plan of fighting you and not resisting me. That's excactly why you backed off, since you obviously wanted to win the game by yourself. I just never expected that you would come with such "genious" "alliance victory" plan as you did, to archive your goal.

Now you are trying to tell us that Machaka was weak and harmless. LOL. Why than you backed of from his theat and whined so much about his "blackmail"??? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Of course I wanted to win the war against him myself. The the goal of the war, you know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif When I attacked him after his agression against Marignon, Machaka was the most powerfull nation on the globe, as everybody, including yourself, agreed. But nevertheless I wanted to beat him myself, not receive the victory on the golden plate in "alliance" with him against you, as he have offered repeatedly during our war, or to recieve the victory on the game on the golden plate, if he would direct all his forces against you, and allow me to overun his empire, as he threaten to do. Feel the difference archae. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif You was pissed and scared by his threat, since you knew very well just like I did, that it was very credible. That was the only reason why you backed off.

As for your "allaince voctory" that was "never set a stone" - sorry, but that's a total bull****. You have directly offered it an "alliance victory" to Quantum. He have accepted it. He told me about it himeself when he withdrew from NAT with me and attacked me, and you withdrew from NAT with me one turn before that. Whom do you think you are fooling Archae? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I would never quit the game if you would not turn game that was supposed to be FFA into that lame "alliance victory" crap with other major nation, when your was already was the strongest nation in the game, partly because you never was in a single challenging war in this game. If you dislike endgames so much you should find a sub for yourself, I am sure there would be a lot of takers. IMO "alliance victory" is very lame solution to avoid long endgames.

If you will manage to find a sub let me know. I've set game to 6000 hours quickhost for now. Otherwise please don't insult other people intelligence with your spin.

quantum_mechani

October 5th, 2004, 08:07 PM

Ok, probably won't change anything, but here is my point of view:

Storm has indeed been conducting very aggressive diplomacy in this game, and I had already been considering a war with him at some point simply due to his obnoxious attitude. When Arch offered a combined victory agreement (presumably because he was also feeling the same annoyance at the diplomacy), this was a main motivation. In addition, from the graphs, he seemed the most powerful nation and it did not seem like the war was any kind of automatic win. Apparently Storm was also not sure how good his chances were, as he waited until 3 turns into the war to decide to quit. Lastly, I do dislike late game, and thus I saw the war as way of killing 3 birds with one stone.

The bottom line is that I do not consider it unfair to ally against arguably the most powerful nation, who has also threatend my nation in the past.

A final note on WQs: I have seen both the Queen of the Deeps and The Queen of the Lake under his control at different times. As far as know, neither myself or Arch has killed one. If Mackaka killed one, my mistake.

Stormbinder

October 6th, 2004, 12:38 AM

quantum_mechani said:
Ok, probably won't change anything, but here is my point of view:

Storm has indeed been conducting very aggressive diplomacy in this game, and I had already been considering a war with him at some point simply due to his obnoxious attitude. When Arch offered a combined victory agreement (presumably because he was also feeling the same annoyance at the diplomacy), this was a main motivation. In addition, from the graphs, he seemed the most powerful nation and it did not seem like the war was any kind of automatic win. Apparently Storm was also not sure how good his chances were, as he waited until 3 turns into the war to decide to quit. Lastly, I do dislike late game, and thus I saw the war as way of killing 3 birds with one stone.

The bottom line is that I do not consider it unfair to ally against arguably the most powerful nation, who has also threatend my nation in the past.

A final note on WQs: I have seen both the Queen of the Deeps and The Queen of the Lake under his control at different times. As far as know, neither myself or Arch has killed one. If Mackaka killed one, my mistake.

LOL. I have no idea what you saw quantum but I never had 2 WQs, only one. Always had. You can see it swiming in the sea this turn, right under your nose. Not you, not Machaka, not Marignon haven't killed any WQs of mine. The only 2nd WQ that ever existed in the game was yours. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif You could not possibly see 2nd WQ under my control. And in the future at least have a decency to put "I think" when you write such statements. You would look better than, trust me.

I don't know how you could feel that I was the most powerfull nation when I was trailing Mictlan in all indicatiors except small lead in gold income and province number, while I unlike him I had been engaged in the difficult war for many turns. But whatever. I did wait for 3 turns trying to see if the situation was possible to salvage, simply because I invested a lot of time in this game, so I didn't want to quit immideatly, despite you turning FFA game into "team game". But I told you and Arache what I think about your "alliance victory" option very clearly, and you know what you have replyed to me, don't you?

And this is not just my opinion, as you can see from this thread Izaques (R'leh player) feel the same. I think Marignon also would join the same sentiments, although I am not going to speak for him myself, he can do it himself if he'll decide to it.

Finally QM if you really don't understand the difference between temporarely alliance, and "alliance victory", I suggest you think again about it, before posing more of your "facts". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif And if you dislike endgames in Dom2 so much as you say you do, I would recommend you in the future to stay away from the games against veteran players played on medium or large maps, or if you do play them find a sub for yourself at the end, instead of spoiling the game for other players.

quantum_mechani

October 6th, 2004, 03:42 PM

Stormbinder said:

quantum_mechani said:
Ok, probably won't change anything, but here is my point of view:

Storm has indeed been conducting very aggressive diplomacy in this game, and I had already been considering a war with him at some point simply due to his obnoxious attitude. When Arch offered a combined victory agreement (presumably because he was also feeling the same annoyance at the diplomacy), this was a main motivation. In addition, from the graphs, he seemed the most powerful nation and it did not seem like the war was any kind of automatic win. Apparently Storm was also not sure how good his chances were, as he waited until 3 turns into the war to decide to quit. Lastly, I do dislike late game, and thus I saw the war as way of killing 3 birds with one stone.

The bottom line is that I do not consider it unfair to ally against arguably the most powerful nation, who has also threatend my nation in the past.

A final note on WQs: I have seen both the Queen of the Deeps and The Queen of the Lake under his control at different times. As far as know, neither myself or Arch has killed one. If Mackaka killed one, my mistake.

LOL. I have no idea what you saw quantum but I never had 2 WQs, only one. Always had. You can see it swiming in the sea this turn, right under your nose. Not you, not Machaka, not Marignon haven't killed any WQs of mine. The only 2nd WQ that ever existed in the game was yours. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif You could not possibly see 2nd WQ under my control. And in the future at least have a decency to put "I think" when you write such statements. You would look better than, trust me.

I don't know how you could feel that I was the most powerfull nation when I was trailing Mictlan in all indicatiors except small lead in gold income and province number, while I unlike him I had been engaged in the difficult war for many turns. But whatever. I did wait for 3 turns trying to see if the situation was possible to salvage, simply because I invested a lot of time in this game, so I didn't want to quit immideatly, despite you turning FFA game into "team game". But I told you and Arache what I think about your "alliance victory" option very clearly, and you know what you have replyed to me, don't you?

And this is not just my opinion, as you can see from this thread Izaques (R'leh player) feel the same. I think Marignon also would join the same sentiments, although I am not going to speak for him myself, he can do it himself if he'll decide to it.

Finally QM if you really don't understand the difference between temporarely alliance, and "alliance victory", I suggest you think again about it, before posing more of your "facts". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif And if you dislike endgames in Dom2 so much as you say you do, I would recommend you in the future to stay away from the games against veteran players played on medium or large maps, or if you do play them find a sub for yourself at the end, instead of spoiling the game for other players.

To accuse _me_ of spoiling the game for other players is absurd. I never suggested quitting without finding find a sub (unlike a few other players in this game). Is a semi-alliance victory ruining it for Ry'leh/Marignon? They don't really have a realistic chance of winning at this point, and a final war like this was coming regardless of where the sides were drawn. Am I ruining it for you by having a semi-alliance victory? As I said before we would have done a temorary allience anyway, so if you situation is as hopeless as you say, you would be dead either way. That pretty much leaves you arguing that Arch and I are ruining it for ourselves, and while I appreciate you concern, I'm afraid we will just have to live with it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

The agreement with Arch was actually a 'temporary' alliance, once you were finished off, we had talked about continuing the game a little while to find out who was the supreme god of the pantheon. However, as it is my guess that he would be significantly than me stronger at that point, it is most likely we would skip the formality for micromanagement's sake.

Anyway, whether a temporary alliance or game ending one, it dosn't affect your situation at all. The thing you overlook in all your Posts is that your diplomacy brought this on yourself, indeed it might have been more tactically sound to ally with you vs. mictlan. After all the threats and general machinations though, there was no way I was going to do that.

My point about you waiting 3 turns is still valid, why would you play them if you thought you had no chance and would quit in a few turns anyway? And if you could not tell for sure that such a war would doom you, how was I to know?

I'm beginning to think that anyone other than yourself winning this game would have resulted in accusations of unfairness.

archaeolept

October 6th, 2004, 03:53 PM

lol storm, you are the one spoiling the game by quitting in this "no quitters" game. As far as i can tell, you have not even made the littlest effort to find a sub, and would rather that the game go to hell due to your fit of pique that is really just motivated by your losing position - a position that you find yourself in purely due to your poor play, especially as to attempting diplomatic hardball w/ both me and quant.

I would recommend that you not play games against players who might beat you.

Since I've already repudiated the joint victory I had proposed to quantum, and that this joint victory was just to avoid a long and tedious endgame, you are left w/ nary a leg to stand on as to your supposed rationale for quitting. the truth is you can't bear to lose, and would rather kick up a huge sh*t storm than admit to it.

As to your math, it is attrocious as usual.
Storm posted:
Your math has nothing to do with reality.

yet you list 6 SCs. at that time I would have had 5 IDs (not counting mr. icicle fists) 5 ADs, one demon lord, and a pretender outfitted, or almost so, as SCs. As well, I would have had a king of elemental fire and father illearth way back in my lines being used as forgers (hence, SC chassis's, though not currently usable as SC's), and one sucky heliophagus used as a scout, since it seemed too dangerous to send him against PD http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Let me see. that gives me 12 SC's, 14 including chassis's. How is that "10 times" the number of SC's you had (admitted to 6, not counting large numbers of mini-SC van thugs). how is 12, or even 14, this 10 times 6 storm? please explain. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

more of your creative math:
As I said you were leading in *all* graphs when you offered that "alliance victory" option to qunatum, except my slight lead in provinces and gold income

this is just absurd. ignoring army size, which is basically useless (though I was ahead, it included large amounts of national troops and imps), right before the war when i made the alliance w/ Quantum you were significantly ahead in provinces and gold, tied in dominion, ahead in castles. I was only ahead of you in research and gems. This is easy enough for anyone w/ a single eye to see from the graphs. you were ahead in 3, tied in 1, and i was ahead in 3 (including army size). You are so desperate that you are reduced to pure confabulation and outright fabrication of reasons.

If you must be a baby and go home crying to mommy, pls at least find a substitute. I'm sure quantum and I would be happy to completely change the diplomatic situation w/ a different, less whiny, player.

Cainehill

October 6th, 2004, 04:22 PM

Stormbinder

October 6th, 2004, 07:37 PM

ROFL.

I knew cain could not resist posting in such thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

To quantum/archae:

Other people? What other people are you talking about, please tell?

R'leh player have told you that your "alliance victory" crap have spolied the game for him. Maltrease is very polite guy who does not like controversy, but I think he feels the same.

In case you guys haven't noticed not me, not R'leh, not Marignon are not interested in continuing this game given the way things they are. You have turned the game from FFA to "team game", with your "team" having significantly more resourses than the rest of the nations combined. There is no much point of continuing playing such game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif I hope you'll be able to enjoy such "victory".

That means that nobody other than archae/quantum with their "shared victory" wants to continue this game.

But what realy cracked me up is Archae braging of him beating me, after he himself beged quantum to agree to "shared victory" option, only because he was too afraid to deal with me himself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif That statement really made my day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Amyway, enough of this pissing contest. If you'll find 2 or 3 subs silly enough to enjoy playing such "team" game against team that have much more resourses than the rest of the nations combined, go ahead and do it. Other people are asking me to give them the slot of our game if it is finished. So hurry up.

quantum_mechani

October 6th, 2004, 08:23 PM

As much as I hate to drag this out, you still have not addressed any of the points in my post. In addition, I've heard you say in the past that diplomacy was one of (if not the most) important parts of a long term dominions game. I would say by that measure you are losing fair and square- angering the two other major nations is not a great idea diplomatically. As for Ry'leh/ Magrignon, I would be fine with breaking up the alliance and continuing the game after Vanheim is gone, if they still fell like they can affect the outcome.

As for the WQs, I was quite sure I saw 2 different ones, I'm not accusing you of lieing, it does seem unlikly that you would not remember summoning one. So, I would not at all rule out that I was mistaken.

archaeolept

October 6th, 2004, 09:22 PM

Maltrease is very polite guy who does not like controversy, but I think he feels the same.

lol, i'm so glad you feel qualified to speak for him. however, the truth is that the original victory alliance was between him and me. He left to side w/ you in order to keep the game more balanced, since none of us, besides you, thinks victory alliances mean much.

Anyways, as we've said many times: there is no allied victory w/ me and quant any more, so you have no leg to stand on. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

malt isn't that interested in continuing because he's basically out of the game. He's been begging to be taken out for turns http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

as to izaqyos, i'm not sure what his current position is. certainly i don't trust you to provide it.

Frankly Storm, your prevarications and confabulations border on the pathological.

There is no more tentative agreement for an allied victory in order to avoid a tedious endgame. That is finished. So play your move - and if you feel incapable of it, at least make the attempt to find a sub. Otherwise you are just a little ****.

Stormbinder

October 6th, 2004, 09:38 PM

quantum_mechani said:
As much as I hate to drag this out, you still have not addressed any of the points in my post. In addition, I've heard you say in the past that diplomacy was one of (if not the most) important parts of a long term dominions game. I would say by that measure you are losing fair and square- angering the two other major nations is not a great idea diplomatically. As for Ry'leh/ Magrignon, I would be fine with breaking up the alliance and continuing the game after Vanheim is gone, if they still fell like they can affect the outcome.

Quantum, you have not addressed any points of *my* letter, after I addressed all points made in *your* original letter. If you think you can ignore your opponents arguments but they must reply to yours, I suggest you think again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Of course the dimplomacy is important part of Dom2 game. But it has nothing to do with "allied victory" that archae offered to you and you accepted. That changed the nature of the game from FFA to "team game", and you know it. I never done anything like that in my games. And please stop trying to come up with things like "semi-allied victory", it is laughable. You told me yourself that Arcahe offered you "to share the victory in the game with him", and you thought it is a "nice option" that you accepted. You never intended to fight him after you would beat me. You just wanted the game to be over as soon as you can. Well, you got you wish. Enjoy it if you can.

Oh, and you have de-facto directly accursed me of lieing, with your insistance that you have seen 2 WQ under my control, which you have even named. Just after I specificaly told that I don't have two WQs, never had, and haven't even resummoned the one I have, since it was never killed by you or anybody else. How about adressing *this* point for a change, huh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/firedevil.gif

archaeolept

October 6th, 2004, 09:47 PM

storm, why won't you address the fact that me and quantum have abandoned any suggestion of an allied victory, since it seems to have blown a fuse in your brain?

there is no allied victory. deal w/ it.

unless your problem is that there exists any alliance against you (which I am pretty sure is your real beef). however, I really don't think military alliances are against the rules of this game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

quantum_mechani

October 6th, 2004, 10:05 PM

Stormbinder said:

You never intended to fight him after you would beat me. You just wanted the game to be over as soon as you can.

Well, thanks for telling me what I'm thinking. The truth is that me and Arch had talked about it from the start (we never decided either way), and I am willing to continue the game afterward, especially if Ry'leh and Marignon are still having fun with it.

Let me boil it down:

You feel Arch and I are being unfair, not by allying, but by keeping the alliance after you are gone, correct?

The ending the game part was always optional and conditioal on the feelings of all remaining players.

Anyway, if everything is as hopeless as you say, your empire would be gone by then. So it really has no impact on you other than a nice way to lose but be able to say "I only lost due to unfair tactics".

Stormbinder

October 6th, 2004, 10:06 PM

archaeolept said:
storm, why won't you address the fact that me and quantum have abandoned any suggestion of an allied victory, since it seems to have blown a fuse in your brain?

there is no allied victory. deal w/ it.

unless your problem is that there exists any alliance against you (which I am pretty sure is your real beef). however, I really don't think military alliances are against the rules of this game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

To archae : Yeah, right. You should drop that "allied victory" crap that you came up with when I strongly objected to it to both you and quantum 3 turns ago, telling you what I think about it. Instead you completely ignored it, laughing and basicly telling me to take a hike, that it is not agaisnt the rules, etc.

Well, guess what? Take a hike. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

After 3 or 4 turns of your "allied victory" war with 20-30+ battles per turn only on my part, and with your nation overruning the entire NE part of the southern continent as a direct result of your "allied victory" plan, it's a bit too late for that now, don't you think? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/firedevil.gif You would never archieved anything close to the gains that you got if not for your "victory partner", and you know it very well. Besides even if I would be willing to continue, and pretend to believe you, what exactly would be changed?? Absolutely nothing. After what was said here in this thread, you and QM would do *exactly* what you were planing to do, just for the heck of it, but this time you simply would not tell about it in public. Don't think people are stupid Archae. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif That only makes yourself look stupid.

archaeolept

October 6th, 2004, 10:11 PM

how is our allying against you illegal or unfair? we were both pissed at you and decided to attack. the victory conditions were completely irrelevant to us; hence, why we have no problem dropping them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

you're just a wuss. look at yourself in the mirror. All you are doing is desperately searching for some lame excuse to blame your loss on - we've all heard you brag about how you win so often (LOL!), but it should be clear to all how you achieve this...

Stormbinder

October 6th, 2004, 10:23 PM

archaeolept said:
how is our allying against you illegal or unfair? we were both pissed at you and decided to attack. the victory conditions were completely irrelevant to us; hence, why we have no problem dropping them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

you're just a wuss. look at yourself in the mirror. All you are doing is desperately searching for some lame excuse to blame your loss on - we've all heard you brag about how you win so often (LOL!), but it should be clear to all how you achieve this...

Heh. Silly rabbit. Next time try to form your "joint victory" coalition from the begining with all nations except one, if "victory conditions are irrelivent" to you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif That way you'll be able to win all your games. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif And btw that's the only way you will be able to win against good opponents. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Accursing me of being weak player after I refused a100% assured victory twice in this game, simply because I though it is not a sportsmanship-like, and after you later went so far as to form "joint victory" coalition in what supposed to be FFA game, just because you were too afraid to deal with me yourself is very funny. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

EDIT: LOL, nm my suggestion about your future games archae. Based upon your words here that I've missed first time, you are already doing just that, and perhaps you have done that in your past games as well:

archaeolept said:
i'm so glad you feel qualified to speak for him [Marrignon]. however, the truth is that the original victory alliance was between him and me.

So how many "victory alliances" have you formed in this game arache? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif What a joke. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Cohen

October 6th, 2004, 10:39 PM

Why the hell the poor Maltrease is in this struggle beetween you three ... ?

If I see any of his post here, I could understand, but why he's in the middle here without having said anything here. If he's said something in private, probably he wants to keep it private.

For what I know, is damn common that the 2nd and 3rd nation coalizes against the 1st power on the chart (graphs). Even if they project a join alliance, well, this will result in the game outcome and the players will lose some distrust.
In my opinion, for what I've understood, because I'm out of this game since long time, probably will happen a Mictlan/Pangea war when Van is finished off, and depending on Marignon and Ryleh strenght they could act as ally to make the balance going left or right.

The advice I could tell you, for how is frustrating, is to keep playing til the Last, because you said "No Quitter", it's your game and your rule, even if it's a battle lost and of the series "Against the Odds" (a wargaming magazine that usually includes a wargame where 1 side is badly outnumbered).

quantum_mechani

October 6th, 2004, 10:41 PM

Stormbinder said:

archaeolept said:
how is our allying against you illegal or unfair? we were both pissed at you and decided to attack. the victory conditions were completely irrelevant to us; hence, why we have no problem dropping them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

you're just a wuss. look at yourself in the mirror. All you are doing is desperately searching for some lame excuse to blame your loss on - we've all heard you brag about how you win so often (LOL!), but it should be clear to all how you achieve this...

Heh. Silly rabbit. Next time try to form your "joint victory" coalition from the begining with all nations except one, if "victory conditions are irrelivent" to you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif That way you'll be able to win all your games. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif And btw that's the only way you will be able to win against good opponents. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Accursing me of being weak player after I refused a100% assured victory twice in this game, simply because I though it is not a sportsmanship-like, and after you later went so far as to form "joint victory" coalition in what supposed to be FFA game, just because you were too afraid to deal with me yourself is very funny. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I wish you could get it though your head that the possible joint victory was more of coutesy from Arch than anything else. I had assumed that after the war Arch would come out clearly domenent, and further fighting would be pointless. However, if this is not the case, and the other players are interested in trying to take down Arch at that point, I would be happy to break the alliance stay on board. And, as I said before, whatever happens after your empire is gone is irelevent to whether you are quitting.

Cainehill

October 6th, 2004, 10:41 PM

Stormbinder said:
Accursing me of being weak player after I refused a100% assured victory twice in this game, simply because I though it is not a sportsmanship-like, and after you later went so far as to form "joint victory" coalition in what supposed to be FFA game, just because you were too afraid to deal with me yourself is very funny. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Personally, I expect you refused the 'assured victory' because you have a Messiah / God complex (rather appropriate given the game), and because you never thought that you could lose. I'd think you've been listening to Boron and Cohen too much, with their "Stormie's the most experienced Dominions player" bit, except you've always been that way.

You whine about how for 3 or 4 turns they've whomped your ***. How is that different from if they both simply decided to eradicate the only player more obnoxious in his diplomacy than Cohen? It wouldn't require, in any shape or fashion, a joint victory alliance - but then, I think you've been smoking too many joints, really, and maybe Reefer Madness is right and you have become totally disassociated from reality.

Hey! I'm not insulting you - after all, reality sucks, who wouldn't want to be able to ignore it and live in a dream world?

And of course - you ignore all the bits of what has been posted (by the players) that don't fit your "reality" - like the way you pissed off major nations in the game. ( And don't forget, Stormie, I'm pretty sure Quantum Mechanic at least didn't have anything against you prior to this game. Oh, unless he's Norfleet, that is. ) Screwing up diplomatically isn't a good way to win wars.

But, you like to lie in your diplomatic Messages, and you like to bully in them - telling people to accept borders that are unacceptable (for them) or you'll crush them. And you like to lie, period, but no sense in pointing out the threads that I demonstrated this in the past. So I have no doubt but that you _did_ have two WQs, personally.

Still haven't explained the math of someone having "10 times as many SCs" as you though - you claim you only had 1 WQ instead of 2; fine. THat still left you with what, 7 SCs to his 12 or 14? Dude, did you get your education in Florida? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

And Last but not least - you're still quitting a game that you're a major player in, after all your whining and squealing about other people quitting. You're not even finding a substitute.

Sad, Pathetic, Lame behavior all in all. Not that I'm saying that you're any of these things (others can make up their own minds) but that your behavior is.

As expected.

Stormbinder

October 6th, 2004, 11:09 PM

Cohen said:
Why the hell the poor Maltrease is in this struggle beetween you three ... ?

If I see any of his post here, I could understand, but why he's in the middle here without having said anything here. If he's said something in private, probably he wants to keep it private.

For what I know, is damn common that the 2nd and 3rd nation coalizes against the 1st power on the chart (graphs). Even if they project a join alliance, well, this will result in the game outcome and the players will lose some distrust.
In my opinion, for what I've understood, because I'm out of this game since long time, probably will happen a Mictlan/Pangea war when Van is finished off, and depending on Marignon and Ryleh strenght they could act as ally to make the balance going left or right.

The advice I could tell you, for how is frustrating, is to keep playing til the Last, because you said "No Quitter", it's your game and your rule, even if it's a battle lost and of the series "Against the Odds" (a wargaming magazine that usually includes a wargame where 1 side is badly outnumbered).

You are missing the point Cohen. First I was not the top nation, Mictlan was. As I wrote above several times, he had *much* better army, *many* more SCs, higher gem income and better reseach. I only had small lead in gold income and province number. He also have not been in any serious war since the begining of the game. In fact all he ever done in this game was to swallow first your sub than you when you have returned from your trip. Nothing else, just siting on his arse, farming bloodslaves. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Second - quantum and archae had no intentions fo duke it out between themselves whatsoever. They decided to form "joint victory" coalition instead. They have said that themslef to me very clearly.

From quantum's own mouth: "I'm afraid I have some bad news. Mictlan has offered me a very nice joint victory option, so I'm afraid I'm giving notice on our None-Agression treaty".

When I complained about this "joint victory" crap and told him that this is supposed to be FFA game, he refused to change their plan and that: "Honestly a large fator is the increased micro the longer the game goes on".

When I complained about it to Arache, his response was almost exactly the same. And he also told me that he is doing it largly because he " just hates that part of the endgame". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/firedevil.gif

If quantum and archae hated the dom2's endgames so much, why not just find the subs for you like other people did, instead of turning the game from FFA to "join voctory" crap??? Simply because you wanted to "win" the game so badly? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif That's a very lame attitude, to say at least.

Cainehill

October 6th, 2004, 11:18 PM

Remember, Stormliar wrote in the very first post in thread:

Only serious Dom2 players may apply. That means those ... who [are] generally determined to stick to the end, no matter if it is sweet one or bitter one. If due to some RL emergency you will have to abandon the game, you promise to try to give other fellow players as advanced warning as possible and you will do your best to find a human sub for your nation. The goal is to avoid AWOL players as well as AI nations in this game.

Hey, Stormie? What's your RL (Real Life) emergency that's causing you to quit the game? What happened to "as advanced warning as possible and doing your best to find a human sub"?

I haven't heard any RL emergency. I haven't heard any efforts to get a human sub.

And I don't see _ANY_ rule saying the game was FFA, no allied victories. Just like in other games you've lied, claiming that the rules were specifically tailored to keep Norfleet out, when there was _NO_ rule that in any way excluded him.

You lie like a salesman selling flies.

Stormbinder

October 6th, 2004, 11:25 PM

Cainehill said:

Personally, I expect you refused the 'assured victory' because...

Personally I expect you to have no idea what you are talkign about, because you was never a part of this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif Unlike yourslef, Archae, along with other players, had seen things quite clearly, and that's the only reason why he backed down from Zap's threat to throw the game in my favor, after much urging from me. Archae was very pissed and he have complained everywhere about what he called Zap's "blackmail".

Of course you probably suspected as much yourself, since you happly took your part in bashing Zap when he was thinking of quiting, not on the merit but just because he was on your personal "hate list", like Cohen, Baron, myself, others. But as an self-admited addicted flamer you just could not walk past this thread when you saw some familiar faces here. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Sorry Cain, no cigars for you here. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif I know what you are. Go back to your troll's cave. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Cohen

October 6th, 2004, 11:36 PM

Well, Cainehill manage to put me in the middle everytime.
I never said that Storm is one of the most experienced players here ... I don't know even many of the players that walk around there so I can't exactly tell anything about.

For Diplo, well ... to everyone their point of view.
And in every game, different diplo.
Full stop.

Stormbinder

October 6th, 2004, 11:44 PM

Cohen said:
Well, Cainehill manage to put me in the middle everytime.

LOL. Are you surprised? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif That's good old Cain for you. I was only surprised that he didn't pop up earlier. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif He was probably distracted by new 2 forums format, poor guy.

quantum_mechani

October 7th, 2004, 01:15 AM

This is spinning way out of control. Caine said earlier that I had no reason to be upset with Storm before joining the game, and that's true. Infact, I still am not interested in a conflict over this. I'm merely attempting to end this game in a way that most of the remaining players can agree with. What you say about my comments about the end game are true, but nothing was ever set in stone about what exactly would happen when Storm was gone. Strangely enough, our brief 3 turn war was actually one of the more interesting parts of the game to me (because of my general dislike of the late game, this was only my second expirience I have had fighting a war in it, so I got to use/see tactics that I had not previously).

What I can't understand is how Storm's quitting was tied to whether there would be any kind of alliance victory. The issues seem totally separate, after all, Storm's empire would be gone before it ever became an issue.

Stormbinder

October 7th, 2004, 03:59 AM

quantum_mechani said:
This is spinning way out of control. Caine said earlier that I had no reason to be upset with Storm before joining the game, and that's true. Infact, I still am not interested in a conflict over this.

*shrug* I am not interested in the conflict myself. The purpose of my original message was to express my feelings over direction of the game have taken at the end, and why I am bowing out of it. In fact, in my original message I said that your and Miclan nations played well and become 2 out of 3 the major nations in this game at the end.

What you say about my comments about the end game are true, but nothing was ever set in stone about what exactly would happen when Storm was gone.

Sorry quantum, but if you admit that what I said about your comments are true (and it is true), than that's exactly what they meant. "Joint victory" agreement that Mictlan had offered to you, which, as you both said, was largly motivated by your strong mutual dislike for the endgames, leaved only one road open. The road our game took during these Last 5 turns. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

Strangely enough, our brief 3 turn war was actually one of the more interesting parts of the game to me (because of my general dislike of the late game, this was only my second expirience I have had fighting a war in it, so I got to use/see tactics that I had not previously).

Well, I am glad you seem to change your opinion about endgames. Personally I think endgames are a lot of fun, especialy in a game such as our, which had several very strong nations at the end, and few minor one. All with very large resourses, very different armies and very different battle tactics. Honestly I was looking forward toward very interesting endgame.

All I can say is that I wish you would come to this conclusion about endgames earlier and would refuse the "shortcut" that Mictlan had offered to you.

What I can't understand is how Storm's quitting was tied to whether there would be any kind of alliance victory. The issues seem totally separate, after all, Storm's empire would be gone before it ever became an issue.

It is quite an opposite. These issues are very tightly connected, since the only reason why my empire would be gone was your "joint victory" agreement.

Heh, funny thing is that archae even had guts to ask me "why I would not try to break your alliance diplomatically?" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif What a joke. How could one possibly break an alliance where both partners decided that they will share the victory in the game after they crash all opposition? And why would somebody want to waste 20-30 more turns with 20-40 battles per turn, as I had during Last 3 or 4 turns, disregarding the fact that the game he would be playing will no longer be FFA but "team game" instead, simply because 2 players decided that it will be so mostly because they both didn't like endgames at the time when they forged their agreement? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

Frankly it does not make any sense to me.

Anyway, if you or Arcahe will find subs for all missing players (it looks like you need to find subs for my Vanheim, R'lyeh, and probably Marignon), I'll gladly send to somebody my two passwords for this game. But I can't honestly ask somebody to sub for Vanheim because I would not imagine somebody would want to play Vanheim, or any other in-game nations except your two, in the "team game" where 1 pre-set team has much more resourses than the rest of the nations combined. And also because the game I would be recruiting for will be no longer FFA game that it was supposed to be.

But who knows, maybe somebody will be interested, perhaps for pure educational or for masohistic purposes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif I'll reset new 6000 hours timer one more time if you want me to.

WraithLord

October 7th, 2004, 10:40 AM

I think it's prefectly reasonable for two nations to ally against another for whatever reason.
I don't have a problem with Pan & Mictlan alliance.
My problem is that by deciding on an allied victory in our FFA game they turned the tables for other players.
If Pan & Mictlan want to wipe Van, R'lyeh and Marignon and then settle it out between then I consider it perfectly acceptable.
So long as there's one winner to the game not two.
It's a subtle but important difference.

Anyway, this conflict is blown way out of proportions.
After reading the opinions of the involved players and better
understanding the situation and especially that there isn't going to be an allied victory I am all for continuing the game.

Yes, my position isn't strong and I will most probably not win the game.
So what?! as long as the game is fair I will continue to enjoy it till I'm blown off the face of the map http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

So if you guys are willing to settle your differences, by all means let's continue the game!

Maltrease

October 7th, 2004, 11:28 AM

As usual in these situations the truth lies somewhere in-between the strong sided positions people take.

It always disappoints me to see so much negative energy being created and directed to our forum. Negative energy is best used to fuel armies of the undead, feeding the coming Armagedon, or at the very least used to heatup that frozen pizza.

As for the game, the Marigon council had spent over 63 turns (before I took over the empire) preparing for the destruction of Mictan. My stewardship would not be complete if I didn't claim victory over Mictan, or at least prove to the council the error of their ways. Our mages have FAITH that they are invincible to armies made from purple blood.

So the mighty and invincible nation of Marigon is prepared to continue the game if the fates lead us in that direction. If the game does die, only 7 of our 30 priest will weap terribly more than the other 23 feel is appropriate.

BTW - I claim victory over Mictan.

Stormbinder

October 7th, 2004, 01:33 PM

izaqyos said:
My problem is that by deciding on an allied victory in our FFA game they turned the tables for other players.

I agree, that's exactly my problem as well. And the curent situation on the ground is the direct result of their "joint victory agreement". As the nation on the recieving end of it, I can qurantee that there is no way Mictlan would gain the territory that he gained since the begining of hostilites if not for their "joint victory agreement". Even more, if not for thier joint voctory agreement my own actions would be very different. For example - I would never attack Mictlan myself 4 turns ago, even after he withdrew from NAT. The only reason why I did it was thier "joint victory" plan that Pan have informed me about and Archae promptly confirmed, when they both withdrew from NAT treaties. At that point I knew I had nothing to lose since Mictlan would attack me anyway, as soon as he will finish positioning his sneaky troops over my territory, as he did with Machaka. So I decided that I might as well do something about it while I still can, instead of siting on my arse and waiting for the axe to fall. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I don't think that the map editing that somebody have suggested earlier is a good option either. First of all - it is a huge pain in the butt. Second - what about units/artifacts/armies, etc.? Third - I don't know about you, but I don't keep any old turns around on my comp. There will be no end of arguments about what was what and who was where if we try to "rewind" the game to the time when this "joint voctory" crap was introduced. At least I can honesty say that this proposol do not seem to be very viable to me, all things considering.

Stormbinder

October 7th, 2004, 01:35 PM

Maltrease said:

BTW - I claim victory over Mictan.

High Council of Vanheim witnesses and supports this claim. Mictlan is clearly on the verge of total defeat by Marignon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif Now you have 2 votes out of 5. Find one more and you'll win! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

quantum_mechani

October 7th, 2004, 03:10 PM

I'm glad Ry'leh and Mrignon finally spoke their voice in this,
I am happy to continue the game until their nations are ground to dust. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Storm, you don't seem to be getting it, but I will try one more time. We would have allied against you even if we had never thought of turning it into allied victory. Your diplomacy had annoyed us both a lot, and the graphs showed you had become quite powerful. So the issues really are totally separate, you would be facing the same thing if everyone agreed to no allied victory. Unless, of course, you don't believe me that this was our main motivation, which I suppose you are free to do. I never said I now liked the end game, but then again I never hated it either, only preffered the early-middle game.

As far as what to do, how about we continue the war, myself and mictlan vs. Van, Ry'leh and Marignon? If there comes at time when the surviving players are becoming bored, we will deal with it then. Unless Storm disbelieves me about the motivations for the war, this seems to solve everyone's issues.

Stormbinder

October 7th, 2004, 09:57 PM

quantum_mechani said:
I'm glad Ry'leh and Mrignon finally spoke their voice in this,
I am happy to continue the game until their nations are ground to dust. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Storm, you don't seem to be getting it, but I will try one more time. We would have allied against you even if we had never thought of turning it into allied victory. Your diplomacy had annoyed us both a lot, and the graphs showed you had become quite powerful. So the issues really are totally separate, you would be facing the same thing if everyone agreed to no allied victory. Unless, of course, you don't believe me that this was our main motivation, which I suppose you are free to do. I never said I now liked the end game, but then again I never hated it either, only preffered the early-middle game.

As far as what to do, how about we continue the war, myself and mictlan vs. Van, Ry'leh and Marignon? If there comes at time when the surviving players are becoming bored, we will deal with it then. Unless Storm disbelieves me about the motivations for the war, this seems to solve everyone's issues.

Qunatum, I think you are the one who is not geting it.

You said yourself that your main motivation for going into war was to avoid long endgames that you hate. You already confirmed that my quotes of your saying just that were correct. Are you going to try to backpedal and deny it now? Same for Archeolept. Also I don't think you have read my previous letter carefully. As I said, my own actions over Last 5 turns would be very different if not for your "joint" victory. I would not attack Mictlan for example after you attacked me. Instead I would quickly wipe your armies with all my SCs in the north, while spending all my money and gems on summoning troops and building castles in the south, to slow Micltan down when he will finally choose to interfere. You have absolutely nothing to stop the full might of my SCs, artifacts and armies. Unlike Mictlan, you also have almost no stealth troops to avoid my ghost riders/teleporting AQs/pretender/Vans. If the war with Mictlan would start even 3 turns later than it did, by that time all of your best troops and SCs would be gone. Than I would have to face mostly Mictlan, at least for the close future.

And if you think I am braging, think about what I did to your on your northern front over the Last 5 turns. And FYI all this time I have been using only 20-25% of my resourses against you. The rest of my forces were tied on the Mictlan front. By yourself you were never a dangerious enemy for Vanheim. Only Mictlan was.

I am not saying this to insult you, just trying to make you understand that things would go very differently if not for your "joint victory" agreement with Mictlan. So saying "ok, let's pretend nothing happened during Last 5 turns and continue as it is but under different name" does not make any sense to me.

Anyway, if you want to continue this game, I am sending my passwords to Maltrease. He will be the new keeper of the gamem if he wants to. Also if he wants, he can also take control over my Vanheim. I have reset the game for the Last time.

P.S. BTW if Quantum is serious about withdrewing from their "joint victory" agreement and honestly agrees to return to FFA game format, than the only logical choice for him would be to attack Mictlan immideatly, in alliance with all other nations. As of this turn , there is no chance in hell for any combination of in-game nations to beat Mictlan/Pangeya alliance, no matter what label they will put on top of it or how they spin it. At the same time Mictlan is much stronger than Pangeya. I would say that if all nations would combine their might against Mictlan and will cooperate very efficiently, they might have a chance agaisnt him, although Mictlan would still have an advantage. So QM, if you are indeed honestly want to try to win the game instead of this "joint victory" crap that you said is no longer valid, your only possible course of action is to withdrew from your allaince, ally with everybody else, and try to stop Mictlan before he gobble too much territory. Frankly you would still most likely fail since Mictlan is too strong by now, but this is the only real possibility to prevent Mictlan from wining the game, if you are indeed honest about your rediscovered commitment to FFA. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Maltrease

October 7th, 2004, 10:44 PM

The councile of Marigon has come across a new powerful artififact and the necassary runes to make use of it.

With this power it has been able to take direct control of all nations. You will notice that all wealth and magic gems have been reappropriated to "aid" in our cause.

All independent (other nations) units have been disbanded, and the world has finally taken its first steps towards a Lasting piece.

The world IS a safer place now that Marigon has taken control. Soon we issue a new order explaining all the rights and freedoms you no longer have. Fear not though, you will be able to find all the peace and happiness that you need by worshipping our God.

I understand that some of you may not like this outcome, so the councile has decided to allow anyone to appeal this decision. Simply send a four page essay detailing your objections to Maltrease and he will exclude your from the hostile mind control take over.

The dead line for receiving this essay is 10pm EST on Oct 7, 2004.

Stormbinder

October 7th, 2004, 10:53 PM

Maltrease said:
The councile of Marigon has come across a new powerful artififact and the necassary runes to make use of it.

With this power it has been able to take direct control of all nations. You will notice that all wealth and magic gems have been reappropriated to "aid" in our cause.

All independent (other nations) units have been disbanded, and the world has finally taken its first steps towards a Lasting piece.

The world IS a safer place now that Marigon has taken control. Soon we issue a new order explaining all the rights and freedoms you no longer have. Fear not though, you will be able to find all the peace and happiness that you need by worshipping our God.

I understand that some of you may not like this outcome, so the councile has decided to allow anyone to appeal this decision. Simply send a four page essay detailing your objections to Maltrease and he will exclude your from the hostile mind control take over.

The dead line for receiving this essay is 10pm EST on Oct 7, 2004.

LOL. Good roleplaying Maltrease. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif The fate of these Realms is in your hands now. Good luck!

archaeolept

October 9th, 2004, 04:07 PM

I don't know why I should be at all surprised by Storm's hypocrisy and idiocy. It certainly doesn't seem to be a surprise to many others. I'm forced to consider him as having some borderline pathological personality disorder. Frankly, I hope he just stays away from anywhere I am. Its quite clear why, while Norfleet was a vile cheater, so many people nevertheless preferred him to stormwhiner.

As to this game, it now seems to be a bit soured. However, it might be interesting to turn it into a little war as per Maltrease's suggestion.

Perhaps a few more days break to see what we do w/ this? Malt, could you reset the hosting - just stop and restart should do it. When storm changed the hosting Last I thought he had force hosted a new turn, and so I connected and uploaded a completely incomplete turn. thanks.

Stormbinder

October 9th, 2004, 08:56 PM

ROFLOL. Thank you Arcahe, you have made my day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif Do you think that hiting your opponent with words such as "borderline pathological personality disorder" makes you look very intelligent? Trust me, it doesn't. It only makes you look childish and silly.

I am not going to waste my time on pissing contest with you. I find that observing you spiting lame insults with foam at your mouth is much more amusing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Perhaps a few more days break to see what we do w/ this? Malt, could you reset the hosting - just stop and restart should do it. When storm changed the hosting Last I thought he had force hosted a new turn, and so I connected and uploaded a completely incomplete turn. thanks.

I have no control over your paranoya Archae. I have already reseted hosting twice, to avoid any stale turns in case other people will want to continue this game. I've also posted about it on the board, twice. You maybe the one to who loves to screw the game for other people, if you don't like something. A small hint for you my friend - don't judge other people by yourself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
Perhaps you should take some anxiety medication, huh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

archaeolept

October 9th, 2004, 09:28 PM

^^ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
________________

I am not going to waste my time on pissing contest with you

that would be great. bye.

Stormbinder

October 9th, 2004, 10:00 PM

archaeolept said:
^^ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
________________

I am not going to waste my time on pissing contest with you

that would be great.

You are welcome. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

archaeolept

October 9th, 2004, 10:29 PM

you forgot to quote in full. the "bye" was especially pertinant. and, in fact, I thought exceptionally polite given the circumstances.

Stormbinder

October 10th, 2004, 12:44 AM

archaeolept said:
you forgot to quote in full. the "bye" was especially pertinant. and, in fact, I thought exceptionally polite given the circumstances.

Surpising as it may be to you, I didn't not forget. I quoted only the part that I was responding to, nothing more. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif Given the circumstances, that was exceptionally polite.

WraithLord

October 11th, 2004, 05:26 PM

I have seen that Last turn was hosted.

I want to be sure about a few things. (my understanding)

1. Is Storm still in? (no)
2. Is Van on AI? (no)
3. So what's up with Van? (free for the taking)
4. Political situation. What are current alliances? (We agreed that most enteraining is Mict vs. Pan+R'llyeh+Marignon)

TIA.

archaeolept

October 11th, 2004, 05:49 PM

well, there's not much game w/out someone taking over Van. Maltrease proposed he'd run van in some half-assed manner, in an alliance of everyone against me. That seems fine, as long as pan gives his requisite notice so that i can defend that front. this game could still have some fun left in it then.

I'd say keep the hosting slow for the time-being.

If you know someone else who'd want to take over Van, that would also work.

WraithLord

October 11th, 2004, 05:59 PM

don't think anyone will be interested in that particular position.

Except Marignon, Any of us who takes over Van will gain a significant advantage.

archaeolept

October 11th, 2004, 06:40 PM

yah i think maltrease would do well marshalling van's forces against sweet li'l ol' me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Cainehill

October 11th, 2004, 08:52 PM

So someone's still being a child, and bailing out without finding a replacement? How ... surprising.

archaeolept

October 11th, 2004, 09:02 PM

yah, well, we already covered that. I would say that I've come around for the most part to your point of view on the matter.

Stormbinder

October 12th, 2004, 03:57 AM

izaqyos said:
I have seen that Last turn was hosted.

I want to be sure about a few things. (my understanding)

1. Is Storm still in? (no)
2. Is Van on AI? (no)
3. So what's up with Van? (free for the taking)
4. Political situation. What are current alliances? (We agreed that most enteraining is Mict vs. Pan+R'llyeh+Marignon)

Actually Pan+R'lyeh+Marignon have no chance whatsoever against Mictlan. But if you don't believe me, try it and you'll see it very soon.

You need to get somebody playing Van to balance the game.
Just my two cents.

archaeolept

October 12th, 2004, 05:23 AM

f*ck off stormbinder. you've left the game, now bugger off back to your little hole and let us sort out this mess.

the proposal by maltrease was for him to take over van and use him in the alliance. It could be entertaining.

Stormbinder

October 12th, 2004, 06:34 PM

ROFLOL Arcahe. I was not aware that you live in the little hole. It is too bad that your mother didn't teach you any manners. Perhaps it's not too late, huh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif You do sounds as if you are still in the tender age when it might still be possible. The alternative explanantion for your frequent tantrums is worse for you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I don't need your permission to post in the thread that I've started, thank you very much. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I post my opinion, if you don't like it - too bad. You are free to ignore it.

As for Van and alliance - that's what I proposed to Malt myself when I bowed out of the game. I am sorry to say but you seem to have memory problem in addition to all your other issues.

archaeolept

October 12th, 2004, 06:59 PM

sweet. the forums now have an "ignore user" option

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Gandalf Parker

October 12th, 2004, 08:52 PM

archaeolept said:
sweet. the forums now have an "ignore user" option

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Hmm I wonder if there is a way to turn on "ignore user" for everyone at the same time. Yes, there must be. Its MySQL based and has a command window. Might take some fiddling but it would be possible. That would be funnier than banning someone, just turn on a blanket ignore to anything they put in. Whats the old word for it? Shunning? or Worfs discombooberation or whatever it was when they all turned their backs.

Stormbinder

October 12th, 2004, 09:40 PM

Gandalf Parker said:

Hmm I wonder if there is a way to turn on "ignore user" for everyone at the same time. Yes, there must be. Its MySQL based and has a command window. Might take some fiddling but it would be possible. That would be funnier than banning someone, just turn on a blanket ignore to anything they put in. Whats the old word for it? Shunning? or Worfs discombooberation or whatever it was when they all turned their backs.

I think the word you are searching for is "ostracism" Gandelf. It came fom the Ancient Greece, than it migrated into Latin, and from there to other european Languages. And yes, it could be more fun than ignoring or banning, forum-wise. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

It could be a bit hard to implement though, considering the fact that not all people accept cookies in their browsers, which you would likely need to implement such a feature. But the idea is interesting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

archaeolept

October 13th, 2004, 03:24 PM

hmmm, I think we're just waiting for quantum to say he's into playing a bit of "let's all gang up on the peaceful Micts who never harmed anybody."

Malt, you should definitely play the vannish turn. Let's keep this really slow host schedule going too, pls.

Also, have you managed to gain control of the game yet? I need you to change the master pass or else Stormbinder will be able to snoop around my game, possibly causing trouble; which I fully expect him to do, frankly, since that is my opinion of his character.

He certainly has no legitimate reason whatsoever to keep control of the game.

Whats the old word for it? Shunning?

shunning is probably the most apt term, but there is that old phrase "sent to Coventry."

Stormbinder

October 14th, 2004, 02:22 AM

archaeolept said:
Also, have you managed to gain control of the game yet? I need you to change the master pass or else Stormbinder will be able to snoop around my game, possibly causing trouble; which I fully expect him to do, frankly, since that is my opinion of his character.

LOL. You are so funny Arcahe. You try so hard to insult somebody but just end up looking stupid every time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Try to think about it for a second - even if I would have any interest of "snooping" around your turns, which of course I don't, how could I possibly affect the game which I am no longer part of?? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif It would require a direct cooperation and conspiracy between me and at least one in-game player against you.
You know, you remind me of Norfleet, he also loved to come up with ridiculious conspiracy theories, of how everybody is out to get him. Perhaps you should write him, ask if he needs a roomate in his undeground bunker. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Or do you suspect me to somehow alter your turns in such subtle and malicious way that you would not even notice that I did it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

To Maltrease: Got your email Malt, wrote you reply already. Glad that you are having good time on your vocation. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif About Throne game - I just disowned Vanheim nation on Mose's server. I am not sure if it have changed anything else though. I haven't found any other ways to "disown" the game. If you know of one, let me know and will be glad to do it. Personally I thought that you can already change whatever you want in the game, since I gave you the master password for it together with my own password. I could be wrong though, since I haven't played with this part of Mose's scripts before.