Creating a new MP game-Musical chairs

[Frosted Flake]

Its at port 2295, only house rule is you cant play any nation that you have already played MP. I will be playing Vanheim.please sign up here before uploading pretender. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Currently havibg a real problem. Noone is able to select a antion to play , i have the bittons for all antions set to human at a loss as what to try next.

Frosted Flake

[Aku]

I would like to join as pangaea.

[Thufir]

Frosted Flake said:
Its at port 2295, only house rule is you cant play any nation that you have already played MP. I will be playing Vanheim.please sign up here before uploading pretender. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Currently havibg a real problem. Noone is able to select a antion to play , i have the bittons for all antions set to human at a loss as what to try next.

Frosted Flake



I went to the upload page, and everthing looked fine, though I didn't test an actual upload.

Could you publish your intended game specs? Right now it looks like research difficulty is set to 2 (which I'd guess is hard?)

[Frosted Flake]

Yes the game is working fine . As for specs indies are set to 9, research is hard, magic sites to 50, its a vp game every capital is worth one and 12 randon sites. Orania map looking for at least 12 .

frosted flake

[Lepakko]

Shoud we make it battlefield ladder game?

then i coud join as abysians

[Pickles]

I would like in as Man.
I will upload a pretender once I figure one out.

Pickles

[Aku]

It may be best if I withdraw for two reasons. Someone uploaded a pan pretender already and I am in enough games as it is. So let whoever loaded up the pan pretender play pan.

[Aku]

i hit reply again by accident

[Thufir]

I'd like in as Caelum, and I'd second Lepakko's request to make it a ladder game (although I'll play either way).

- Thufir

[Frosted Flake]

I have no idea how to make it a ladder game, sorry aku about pangaea

frosted

[Thufir]

Frosted Flake said:
I have no idea how to make it a ladder game, sorry aku about pangaea




On making it a ladder game, it's your call and no big deal, either way. I think making it a ladder game means that you have to be registered on battlefield.com, and then you post a thread saying that you're starting a ladder game. Then when the game is done, you post the results, which is then tracked by battlefield, along with results of all ladder games. Theoretically, all the players should be registered, but I don't think that's a critical requirement. I think they're a bit vague about how to handle FFA results appropriately, but that's not our problem http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

IMO, the result is that the Dom2 community gets access to a bigger player pool, and we get the benefit of a site to track the history of our games.

Here's some links for Battlefield:

The Battlefield is at:
http://www.the-battlefield.com

Battlefield Dom2 Page:
http://www.the-battlefield.com/index.php?page=dom2main&game=dom2

Battlefield Dom2 Forum:
http://www.the-battlefield.com/forum/index.php?showforum=27

[Wazooking]

Aku:
Sorry about taking your spot. I had seen the open game on the server without finding this thread. So I uploaded my pretender.

[Aku]

dont worry about it, i dont think i would of had time for this game anyway

[Regen]

I'd like in as Arco - pretender uploaded, I believe.

[JJ_Colorado]

I've uploaded an Ulm pretender. This should be good. I've never even played Ulm in single player...much less MP. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Best,
John

[Lepakko]

Making it ladder game is easy.. i have play like 100+ ladder game in Age Of wonders serier

First you need to get all players to register to www.the-battlefield.com... (http://www.the-battlefield.com) it will take only 1-2min to do it and you get free account

after all have register we play game and have fun. After game winner of game go to report game... he tell all game info(map size, number of players, indie strength and players name) then we will get points to ladder... good thing is that you dont lose any points if you lose.. you can only get points.

after first season 3 best players will get prize!!!


so what other think should we make it ladder game?

[Thufir]

How many players are you looking for Frosted? I haven't uploaded yet, as I'm still testing Caelum SP, but I can do so at short notice, if it looks like we're going to go.

I'd love to see us get 14+ players, especially given that we're on Orania - but I think we've got just 7 now (including me). Anyone have any ideas on how we can get more players in?

[Morkilus]

I would love to play but only up to Sep 7 (unless I can get a sub until I'm back home on the 21st)... also I'm quite n00bish...
Just letting ppl know the interest is definitely out there; it's just harder to get a game going than logging on to Battlenet or something like that... but I'm hoping D2 MP is more rewarding, of course!

[Boron]

Thufir said:
How many players are you looking for Frosted? I haven't uploaded yet, as I'm still testing Caelum SP, but I can do so at short notice, if it looks like we're going to go.

I'd love to see us get 14+ players, especially given that we're on Orania - but I think we've got just 7 now (including me). Anyone have any ideas on how we can get more players in?



i would like to join too unfortunately i see now that the nations i haven't played yet in mp and i would be very interested in are already taken and exactly those registered expect arco and pan cw lol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

i would like to try pythium http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
first wanted to chose ryleh but indepstrengh of 9 is bad for them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Boron]

oh i didn't see that it is difficult research .
sorry i withdrew http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[The Panther]

I suppose I should not enter yet another MP game, lol. I suppose I also ought to play a race that I at least have some decent SP experience with.

But then again, I suppose I am hooked on this game. So what the heck!

I will try my hand at Mictlan. I did play it once in SP on the the first day as my first race after I installed the game. I remember getting whipped bad by two normal(!) AIs and thinking that Mictlan was a lousy race. I mean, those wimpy national troops you can recruit are weak as all get out. And my dominion seemed to crawl outwards at a ridiculously slow rate (I didn't even know about blood sacrifices, haha).

So, I might as well give ol' Mictlan another try and see how she goes. I will work on a pretender and upload tonight or tomorrow.

Cheers.

[anatoli11]

I would like to join as Ermor

[deccan]

And I'd like in as Abysia, if that's all right with everyone. Sorry, Thufir, but this means I'm out of the running for your other new game. How many MP games do you guys play anyway?

[The Panther]

Counting me, who still has yet to settle on a Mictlan pretender, there are nine players in the game. Since Orania is too large a map for this number, then I suppose this ought to mean one of two things:
1. We are waiting for more players, or
2. We should change to a smaller map.

Anyway, I do promise to upload a pretender before the end of today.

[baboune]

Hi,

I would be interested in joining. I would play T'ien Ch'i.

[Thufir]

deccan said:
And I'd like in as Abysia, if that's all right with everyone. Sorry, Thufir, but this means I'm out of the running for your other new game. How many MP games do you guys play anyway?



Well, my intention was to be in 3MP games by this weekend, and since I hadn't heard from Frosted, I decided to start my own smaller game. Which does mean I'll have to withdraw from this one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Sorry!

I would love to play a game with a very large number of players in Orania, so if this game is still open next week, I might opt back in (OTOH, if I were you guys, I'd vote for starting sooner with your existing group on a possibly smaller map).

[JJ_Colorado]

I'd vote to start now on Cradle of Dominions Map. Our number (9 or 10) should be ok for that map. It would be fun to play this weekend...maybe with QH we can get in a bunch of turns?

John

[The Panther]

Of course, all it takes is one person to be gone and you don't get in a lot of turns. Plus the time zone issue. But still, the early turns in a game can easily go twice per day, whether weekend or not.

I suppose I ought to take a look at cradle before voting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[baboune]

I am ready to play... My pretender is uploaded.

[The Panther]

Eleven races are now uploaded. It probably is enough to go forth if we want.

[Frosted Flake]

Game will start saturday night (eastern US time)eleven is plenty and too many for cradle. Sorry have been off on business

Frosty

[baboune]

I am ready. let's go forth.

[Stossel]

I uploaded as man, since the game hadn't started yet and I figured it'd be alright.

If it's not, sorry for entering late, you can go ahead and kick me.

[navrunner]

I uploaded Atlantis.

[The Panther]

Now that we have 13 uploaded pretenders, plus a water race (thanks to navrunner!), then Orania is no longer too big.

I see no reason to change it at this point. Might as well start it Sunday morning, Frosted Flake.

[Frosted Flake]

We are live!

[deccan]

It seems that catquiet is having hurricane problems. Zapmeister is stopping Faerun Folly for that. Shall we stop this one?

[Frosted Flake]

What a lame excuse (JK) ok I'm gonna put it on hold til cat says he's ok.

frosted flake

[Catquiet]

Hopefully hurricane Frances won't hit Fort Lauderdale too hard and the worst I will suffer is a couple days without power. Wish me luck.

[Frosted Flake]

Seeing as Catquiet had done his turn i am restarting game, will stop after turn processes until post hurricane.

frosted

[Frosted Flake]

Game is on hold now til Cat reappears

frosty

[Catquiet]

Ok, I'm back. My yard lost a couple trees and I went without power for a day but otherwise no harm done.

[Frosted Flake]

Good to hear cat , game is retsarting

frosty

[Regen]

Game is temporarily stopped because i accidentally fouled a turn up on someone http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif. Should be back up in the morning

sorry all i'm just a newb

frosted flake here on regen's account lol


too much drinking tonight

[baboune]

Sorry newby here... What does that mean "you fouled a turn up"?

[Frosted Flake]

I clicked on jotunheim not my own position...and as i have the master password i opened the position of another player ...who had already taken his turn...ive sent him a message and apology to redo his turn.

[Frosted Flake]

I opened the position of another player ...having accidentally clicked on wrong nation...ive sent the player an apology ....silly but its what happenned

[Frosted Flake]

Ok situation has been fixed and game restarted ! Ill try to be more careful

[baboune]

Hi,

Which Version are we using ? 2.13?

Are we going to upgrade to 2.14?

[Frosted Flake]

I am at 2.12 until mose says otherwise

my understanding is 2.12 and 2.13 are compatible

frosty

[baboune]

2.14 is released...

They are compatible but the battle replays are weird (sometimes)

[The Panther]

The game is not working for me. Looking at the number of people who have yet to make their move, I would assume I am not the only one with this problem.

The server probably should be stopped and restarted.

[deccan]

I can't get into this game either. Dom2 hangs on me whenever I try.

[baboune]

Same problem here...

I run 2.14 maybe that is the problem... can the server be updated to 2.14 ?

[JJ_Colorado]

same problem for me, game hangs "waiting on game info". I am running 2.12 which is I think the Version the game is running under.

John

[anatoli11]

I can get in if I open 3 sessions - this same thing happened on another mosehansen game. Probably just needs to be restarted. I don't think this is a Version issue as the same problem happened on the v2.12

[Frosted Flake]

I had a hard time but got thru...Ill stop the game and upgrade to 2.14

frosty

[deccan]

Ok, it's stopped now. Don't tell me you're having trouble restarting it.

[jimbo]

The server is at 2.14 that is not the problem. You are all probably getting stuck at the "Waiting for Game Data" screen...this intermittent problem has been around for a long time. The workaround is to not give up http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Kill the Dominions process, and try to connect again. Most times after several tries you can get in. If not, come back in a few minutes and try it again.

[deccan]

If you check the webpage for the game at mosehansen, you will see that the game process is stopped now. Perhaps after Frosted stopped the game someone grabbed the slot so it can't be restarted. That would be very bad.

[Frosted Flake]

we should be all set again

[deccan]

Hooray, Abysia burns again! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[baboune]

humm.. I got in and it froze.... now I cant connect.. "waiting for info"

[anatoli11]

The easiest way to get connected is to keep opening sessions - usually works when you open the third dominions window...

[baboune]

I tried like 10 times with no success... It freezes on waiting for info, and I have to shut down the process.

[JJ_Colorado]

Hi,

I've played in several Mosehansen games including one that's on about turn 120(?) and have sometimes had to try to connect a few times to get into a game...but this game is different. I just tried to connect probably 20 - 25 times to the game with no luck.

I'd go AI if I could get in but I can't even connect to do that. This has been going on for a few days (2 or 3 turns). I emailed another player and he is having the game problem.

Regds,
John

[Frosted Flake]

We should bve all set with 2.14 and I at least am having np connecting, anyone else?

[deccan]

I can connect, but it takes three or four tries.

[baboune]

I found out what you meant by 3 or four tries... I need to start simulatenously 3-4 clients and the Last one connects... Kind of unpleasant but working.

[jimbo]

Looks like several people are still having problems connecting since we are near the time limit for this turn and we still have 4 (I think) who haven't gone..

I am curious - is anyone having a more severe waiting to connect problem lately who HASN'T upgraded to Windows XP SP 2? That is causing quite the commotion with a lot of games and I know I started having more problems just about right after I upgraded...

[deccan]

I haven't upgraded to SP2 yet. 75 mb download is too big for dial-up. I occasionally have problems connecting to this game, but brute force (trying lots of times) seems to work.

[deccan]

I effectively staled on turn 36 when I accidentally hit "End Turn" when I intended to "Save and Quit". I then reconnected immediately and saw that it had hosted. So if anyone sent me any important Messages, I didn't see them. Please PM me if required.

[baboune]

I upgraded tp SP2, I had to reinstall most network drivers, and to update a lot of software too.

And I had my bunch of problems connecting for a while (begininning of week). Now it seems better.

[baboune]

I am dead...
1 province left and besieged.. so I went AI.

Good work Catquiet you teached a great deal.
And thanks to Pangaea for killing me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[deccan]

Did Atlantis just stale for the past two turns?

[anatoli11]

He didn't stale the turn before this, but seems to stale about every 5 or 6 turns...

[Frosted Flake]

I am stopping the game because of some unknown bug. A large battle was fought between two nations and one side was wiped out. Problem is the turn message is reversed and the wrong side has troops left on the map. I will try to resolve asap. (epic fight not some trivial skirmish)

[deccan]

Frosted Flake said:
I am stopping the game because of some unknown bug. A large battle was fought between two nations and one side was wiped out. Problem is the turn message is reversed and the wrong side has troops left on the map. I will try to resolve asap. (epic fight not some trivial skirmish)



Hmm, sure it's not the known issue of viewing battles under older clients?

[Frosted Flake]

What well know bug lol? I ran the turn on my home comp and Jotun got kicked yet on Jotun's comp it shows him wiping out ermor. As both comps show afterwards the same thing (Ermor in control of the province) I have restarted the game. Can someone explain to me whats going on?

frosted flake

[The Panther]

This is typical when the server does match the Version of the players. I believe that the server had not been restarted until just now, which means we were running under 2.12 up until our next turn.

Replays would therefore be innacurate and cannot be believed. I too had a couple of innacurate battle replays on my Last turn. However, since you restarted and the game is running Version 2.14 from now on, then the replays will be correct from now on.

By the way, the battle summary report will be accurate even if the replay is not.

Also, how did you manage to see a battle replay when you are not involved on either side? A scout?

[deccan]

Hmm, if Panther is right then Frosted must be running 2.12...

Anyway, now that it's running again, us hot nations can get around to dispelling that nasty illwinter. Right Panther? Panther?

[The Panther]

Not me, as I won't Last much longer. Tough luck for all you players left behind.

Mictlan seems a decent race, but it sure takes a long time to do the turns with all the blood hunters, SDRs, the unrest clearing, the sacrifices, artifacts, clams, summons, blood slaves for battle mages, etc, etc, etc. And etc too.

I also had the most horrible starting position I have ever been stuck with, so my play in this game is not a true test of Mictlan. I might try it again sometime when I am in fewer games so I can concentrate on it a bit more.

[Frosted Flake]

I have the masterpassword and at the players request looked at his turn result

[The Panther]

Now that the game is just about over, I was wondering what people think about it. Starting next to Ermor and being completely surrounded by my 4 much-too-near-neighbors-on-a huge-map within 20 turns did me in. Also, starting next to Ermor with his 10 dominion destroyed too many of my provinces along that border. Mictlan takes about 20 turns just to begin to turn back the dominion tide against a normal 6 dominion race. Against AE Ermor, it is just that much longer to achieve. I suppose I should have suicided on Ermor about turn 20 or so to even things out for everybody else. Though I did not do that, as everyone knows by now.

But I will say one thing for sure. I got to see what Ermor did by virtue of being his neighbor and my many scouts all over the map. And he did well with his great starting position. I was his only neighbor and we have been at peace the whole game. He even swooped down south early and destroyed Arco easily. That was when I had a good idea who was going to win this game.

At no point in this game could I have put a dent into Ermor. Mictlan is a very weak nation through about the first 50 turns or so. It is only good late game and only if it can collect a lot of bloodhunting provinces, which I could not because of my incredibly lousy starting position.

Though, one thing I was very proud of was that I had all 6 ice devils plus 1 arch devil before the war with Caelum started. I now have 3 IDs and 2 ADs. Or is it 4 IDs?

Also, Ermor could have easily wiped me out at any time over the past 20 turns or so. But I sure had a lot more fun fighting Caelum instead of dying quickly to Ermor! Especially killing the 26 mammoths a few turns ago. That was very nice indeed. Of course, Caelum would have eventually killed me anyway with all his far-too-cheap mages if the game were not ending so soon and Ermor were not invading Caelum now.

My opinion? Ermor played well and deserves the win. Plus, I will be glad to see the game end, as I was in a hopeless position starting on day 1.

[deccan]

I agree that the game is over for practical purposes, since Ermor can win at will. But since Jotunheim could still have surprises in store, I'll hold off my end game wrap up until it becomes official.


The Panther said:
Though, one thing I was very proud of was that I had all 6 ice devils plus 1 arch devil before the war with Caelum started. I now have 3 IDs and 2 ADs. Or is it 4 IDs?




I had the remaining three ADs. I actually wasted two castings of Bind AD. Grrr. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif I never tried for ID since I never managed to get a Warlock with a 1W random and eventually spent most of my water gems empowering one to make quickness items.

I'm surprised Jotun didn't have any IDs since he obviously had the caster(s) and blood slaves to get them.

[deccan]

Heh, looks to me like several people have already decided that Ermor has won and plan on staling...

[deccan]

Game over. Time to free up the slot, Frosted. Good job, Anatoli. Guess this disqualifies you from joining any more newbie games. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I'll type out my wrap up later.

[anatoli11]

I wanted to thank everyone for the well played game: I was lucky at the beginning and went the right directions for initial expansion.

I had two great battles with Jotun: The first one I won, but it was really close. My air elementals got into his leader area and carried the battle... The second one he just spanked my killer army (although the purgitory spell had thinned my ranks a bit)...

Apology to Deccan - I was casting arouse hunger, call of the winds, etc. to try and get some freebe VPs and ended up attacking you although we had a NAP.

In some ways I'm glad this game is over because although I am usually a quick turn player, my Last few turns were taking almost three hours per due to the number of armies and vast numbers of undead - be forewarned if you are going to play AG on a big map.

Again, many thanks to you excellent players and a great game. If I would have realized that I could get this much enjoyment in MP, I would have started a long time ago...

[deccan]

Well, unlike anatoli, I'm not happy with the way I played this game at all. I started off with probably the richest patch of provinces on the map, which explained why I had more money than anyone else throughout the game. And I didn't have any really close neighbors, except for Vanheim.

But I made some really dumb mistakes.

First, I killed off my starting slayer by instinctively setting him to retreat, and then forgetting that, set him to assassinate an indy prvince. Doh! I learned the hard way that retreating from assassination combats means automatic death.

Second, I tried using my Scorpion King pretender as an SC naked. Luckily, he only got away with an affliction.

But most importantly, I never quite grasped until very late that this was a VP game and did not castle many of my VP provinces and I didn't realize that the VP limit was 15 points, which was really very easily reached.

Early in the game, I met Vanheim (Frosted Flake) and he joked about allying together against Jotunheim (who was allied with Caelum). I also gave gifts to neighbors like Ermor, Atlantis, Vanheim etc. so that I didn't get involved in any early wars. But as the game progressed, Vanheim got tied up in a war against Man which stopped his expansion, while I ended up being boxed in between the two big powers, Jotunheim and Ermor.

Since I was the third big power, I obviously wanted Ermor and Jotunheim to fight each other, so that I could pounce on either one as the opportunity arose. But I sensed that Jotunheim was reluctant to turn his back on me, so I backstabbed Vanheim (I told him that we never had a formal NAP and gave him a one turn notice as a courtesy). I did it to make Jotunheim feel better about turning his back on me, to expand without getting in the way of the war between Jotunheim and Ermor and for the two VP Vanheim capital.

What I didn't expect was for Ermor to steamroller Jotunheim the way it did. It didn't take me long to take Vanheim's capital (I would have taken it faster if I had used my devil army, but I was afraid Frosted would come out of his castle with a Staff of Storms to ground the devils and thunderstrike them so I only used a couple of Archdevils instead), but by then, with the slowness of the 1-move Abysian Infantries, I couldn't really move my forces to attack Ermor. Also, I realized that attacking Ermor really didn't make much sense. Since this is a VP game and the VP limit was set so low, it was much more rewarding to take VPs from the weaker nations, like Vanheim and Man, than to try and take them from Ermor.

Also, I'd like to point out to everyone who's wondering why I didn't do more to stop Ermor, I had two 1-VP provinces near my border with Ermor and those provinces were uncastled. Ermor could easily have taken those two provinces and won the game four or five turns earlier if Anatoli had chosen to ignore our NAP.

Ah well, if the game had been set up with a higher VP limit, I would have had fun mass casting "Flames from the Sky" on Ermorian hordes, but as it is, I never really got to fight any really big battles or do anything really cool (I was considering casting "Second Sun" in response to Jotunheim's "Illwinter" but decided to save the gems for mass casting "Flames from the Sky". Jotunheim was begging me to cast Flames near the end, but I was one turn away from researching it when the game ended.

All in all, I made many, many mistakes in this game, but learned a lot from doing them.