MP Game - European War

[Graeme Dice]

I'm in need of another game to replace some that are starting to wind down, so I'm going to host another one. The conditions are going to be fairly standard, except that a win will be by victory points.

The game conditions will be:
Map: Zen's Europe map.
Magic Sites: 50%
Independents: 6
Renaming on
Standard Research
No house rules
48 hr quickhost
The winning condition will be to control a number of victory points equal to the number of players. Each capital will count as a victory point. There will be a number of other victory points spread around the map. The amount of these victory points that are spread around the map will be one less than the total number of players.

I will be playing Mictlan.

Edit:
The IP is:68.148.43.237 and the port is 5555

[Thufir]

I'd like in as Ermor.

[Kel]

In as Aby please.

And thank you for starting up a 48 QH =)

- Kel

[alexti]

I'd like to take C'tis

[Zen]

No mods?!

[Graeme Dice]

Zen said:
No mods?!



Acck. I also forgot to add that I plan to run the most current Version of Zen's Conceptual Pretender mod.

[Zen]

You don't have to because I mentioned it Was just wondering if standard ment, "standard".

Unmodded Dominions is still, even to me, very good http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Cohen]

I'd like to play with Arco.

[Graeme Dice]

Zen said:
You don't have to because I mentioned it Was just wondering if standard ment, "standard".



No, I wanted the mod actually, since I'm hoping to see a wide variety of pretender types.

[Thufir]

Graeme Dice said:
No, I wanted the mod actually, since I'm hoping to see a wide variety of pretender types.



I'm all for using the mod - I was looking forward to trying that out myself. But in this case, I would prefer to play Pythium, rather than Ermor.

[alexti]

Mod is good. My pretender is getting a nice boost http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Cainehill]

I'm thinking to take either Vanheim or Pangaea; Vanheim's a bit more thematic for Europe, but.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Truper]

I'll take Vanheim if Cainehill doesn't, otherwise I'll make some other choice. But either way, count me in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Cainehill]

Truper - if you have a particular yen for Vanheim, it's yours. I'll drop down to ... Pangaea or Jotunheim, the Jotuns also being thematic for a European game.

[msew]

can you post the map url?

Depending on the map I would like to play R'lyeh or Machaka

[Graeme Dice]

The map is available at Arryn's Dominions site at:
Arryn's Dominions Site (http://www.dominions-2.org/)

[Vynd]

I will join, if I may. I'll take Ermor.

[msew]

I will try r'lyeh on this map. With pretender mod 1.65 I might actually have a chance!


The victory point win condition should stop silly hording of clams fetishes and other such silly things!

[msew]

hi Truper! Vans again is it! cackle!

[Thufir]

msew said:
I will try r'lyeh on this map. With pretender mod 1.65 I might actually have a chance!




Just curious, msew, but have you ever played anything other than R'lyeh? BTW, this looks like a great map for R'lyeh, especially if Atlantis is not playing.

[msew]

played machaka http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


I have an affinity to the Cthulhu happy friends that r'lyeh is!

[Kel]

Isn't this the map that is suggested to have either no or multiple water nations ?

- Kel

[Truper]

Caine: Thanks, I would like to take Van for this one.

Msew: expect a different Van build from what you saw Last, bwahaha!

[Thufir]

Kel said:
Isn't this the map that is suggested to have either no or multiple water nations ?



It does, but in the event that nobody signs up for Atlantis, I think with the hardcore veterans (e.g. Graeme, Truper, Cainehill - not sure about your experience level, Kel) in this game that it would not be a disaster to give msew an advantage.

[WraithLord]

I would like to take Caelum.

Where I can download Zen's mode?
Is there a document listing the modification's in it?

[msew]

www.techno-mage.com/~zen/conceptp165.zip (http://www.techno-mage.com/~zen/conceptp165.zip)

[Kel]

Due to my no-mod preferences, I am going to go ahead and withdraw from the game. Good luck to all. Aby is now open.

- Kel

[Truper]

During a brief bit of testing, I've noticed one error on the map - Eastern Mediterranian is a Plains (i.e. land) province.

[alexti]

Truper said:
During a brief bit of testing, I've noticed one error on the map - Eastern Mediterranian is a Plains (i.e. land) province.


Yep, the one near Carthage, right? Though water nations don't really suffer from the lack of sea provinces http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Graeme Dice]

I'm planning to use the zeneuropefinal.map file, where it's a sea province.

[Cohen]

Will us be PMed or Emailed when the game will be going to start?

[Zen]

Trrrrrrrrroooooooools!

What nations are left, could you post up a "who is what, here is what is left" post? I may venture into this game, if only I like playing with Graeme, Truper, Arch and Quantum and fighting on my own map with my own Mod, I should win by default!

This thread needs more Furblog.

[archaeolept]

I'm in this one? ;p

but sure, if there's yet another spot left. I've never played the europe map and it looks nice, at least.

and it seems as storm is quitting out of his "no-quitters" Thrones game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif, so i could add in a new one.

Aby is available? i've never played them so that should be fun, even if they are hideously underpowered...

[archaeolept]

Taken:
mictlan - Graeme
arcos - Cohen
c'tis - Alexti
pythium - Thufir
van - Truper
ermor - Vynd
rlyeh - Msew
caelum Izaqyos

pan or jot for cainehill

aby maybe for me

[Thufir]

archaeolept said:
Aby is available? i've never played them so that should be fun, even if they are hideously underpowered...

Ahh, I see yet another devotee of the Cohen school of Dom2! Well met and good cheer, sir!

[archaeolept]

did I leave out the smiley or something? ooh, yes. silly me.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Vynd]

How many people are we going to have in this game, anyway?

[Cainehill]

And when is it going to start? I presume with the most recent Version of Zen's mod? (What about the most recent Dom2 patch - there seems to be a 1.15 now?)

[Zen]

I will withdraw my place, since it's cramping up a little. But I will be watching this thread to see any comments, questions, flaming accusations of cheating or 'allies' that might crop up and I can then, wonder at your sanity!

[Graeme Dice]

To answer your questions, the game will be starting this weekend, or on Tuesday. The IP is:68.148.43.237 and the port is 5555

We'll be using the most recent Version of Zen's mod which is Version 1.7

If there is a new patch coming out shortly, then we'll use that as soon as possible as long as there are no serious issues.

[Cainehill]

Regarding a new patch - Illwinter has a 1.15 patch on their site. Supposedly fixes two bugs, and "Powerful Mages are more conservative with their magic gem spending".

[Cainehill]

Zen - if you want in but think it's getting too crowded, I'll drop out. I've probably got enough games going at the moment, although I was kinda looking forward to playing against you for the first time in about half a year. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Zen]

Well, lets get a finalized list. I'll play if you were going to drop out because I'm too freak'n uber. I just need to know who to play.

Also the fact that I am backseat quarterback to a few people might not help http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[archaeolept]

hey! I was gonna drop out first!

seriously, i'd like to play but i'm a bit overloaded. I should stay out - you two can both play, if you wish.

[Cainehill]

Hmmm. I have Jotun games going, ditto Pangaea, and don't want to take a "cheezy overpowered" nation like Abysia, so... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Zen, take your pick - I'm actually leaning towards T'ien C'hi or Machaka now.

This is _if_ Arch is bowing out and Zen's back in with that number of players - otherwise I'll stay out so Zen gets in.

[Graeme Dice]

Cainehill said:

Regarding a new patch - Illwinter has a 1.15 patch on their site. Supposedly fixes two bugs, and "Powerful Mages are more conservative with their magic gem spending".



I believe that that's the final patch for Dominions I.

[Thufir]

My apologies, but I'm going to have to back out of this one. Other games I'm already committed to have begun to overwhelm me. Have fun!

- Thufir

[Ygorl]

If I tallied up the dropouts and undropouts correctly, I think there might be room for another? Would anybody feel overcrowded if I joined?
Thanks!

[Zen]

I shall be playing Pangaea (Unless Cainehill wants Pan, and then I'll take Jotun).

Tell me when this game is fired up and ready and I'll load up my Pretender and start with the trashtalking RP that I so enjoy.

[Cainehill]

While it's very tempting to play my strong suit (CW Pan), I've got a couple of them going right now, so Zen gets to stealthily murder us all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I'm still toying with pretenders and themes but as noted previously, leaning towards TC or Machaka - might do my second Atlantis though, just to keep msew's R'lyeh in check. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Cainehill]

Actually - TC and Machaka aren't thematic for Europe. So, since no one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition... Viva la Marignon!

Now if only someone will take Pythium, so Zen and I can revisit the days of my very first game, when I was smiting Ermor mightily - only to find out that _this_ particular purple banner was Pythium. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Ygorl]

Heck, that's practically an invitation. So can I take Pythium?

[Zen]

Mictlan - Graeme
Arco - Cohen
C'tis - Alexti
Pythium - (was Thufir) Ygorl?
Van - Truper
Ermor - Vynd
R'lyeh - Msew
Caelum Izaqyos
Marignon - Cainehill
Pangaea - Zen

I think that's all? That is 10, when/if Graeme wants to start the pretender. Do you want/need Email addresses for updates?

[Ygorl]

Just give me a little time to get a pretender designed and get the needed files downloaded (maybe not in that order).

[Truper]

Cainehill said:
Actually - TC and Machaka aren't thematic for Europe. So, since no one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition... Viva la Marignon!

Now if only someone will take Pythium, so Zen and I can revisit the days of my very first game, when I was smiting Ermor mightily - only to find out that _this_ particular purple banner was Pythium. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



I remember that game - or actually I remember the chuckle I got over the Pythium/Ermor mixup. And back in those days, I was almost certainly playing Van... ah the endless cycles of Dom2 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Cainehill]

Four pretenders uploaded - I'm betting another 2 get uploaded and someone starts the game by accident. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[alexti]

Which Version of the mod we use? Latest (currently 1.71)?

[Zen]

I have uploaded my Pretender 1.71 and am good to go.

However there is a new Version of the Mod 1.72 up. It only really effects Vanheim (Truper) so whether or not he wants to try out the new Asynja or not is probably a factor if everyone would like to upgrade.

[WraithLord]

What are the server's IP & port?

[Graeme Dice]

The IP is:68.148.43.237 and the port is 5555

[Truper]

Since many people have already uploaded, I'll stick to 1.71.

[JJ_Colorado]

I'd like to take a look @ zen's mod. I tried hitting the techno-mage site but got a bad link. Can someone let me know where to DL it?

Thx

[Truper]

The latest link (Last post in the mod thread) works for me. But you can also get the file as an attachment to that post as well. Look in the title to the post.

[WraithLord]

Graeme Dice said:
The IP is:68.148.43.237 and the port is 5555



Thanks Graeme.
I will upload my pretender promptly.

[Cohen]

1.72 or 1.71 ?

[Cainehill]

Cohen, weren't you telling everyone you'd been Banned? What's up with the melodrama?

[Vynd]

I'm also curious what Version of the mod we should be using. I uploaded my Pretender Last week when we were on Version 1.70.

[msew]

yeah need infoz on the:

0) which Version of the pretender mod we are using
1) are we using the spell mod?
2) does there exist an item mod yet? I have been afk from irc so I am out of hte loop.
3) which .map are we using (url :-) ) as there are lots of them it seems

[Graeme Dice]

msew said:
0) which Version of the pretender mod we are using



1.71


1) are we using the spell mod?
2) does there exist an item mod yet? I have been afk from irc so I am out of hte loop.



No as I'm not aware of any spell mod, and no because it doesn't exist yet.


3) which .map are we using (url :-) ) as there are lots of them it seems



zeneuropefinal.map but this doesn't matter to the players at all.

[msew]

>> Quote:
>> 1) are we using the spell mod?
>> 2) does there exist an item mod yet? I have been afk from irc so I am out of hte loop.
>
>
>
> No as I'm not aware of any spell mod, and no because it doesn't exist yet.


www.techno-mage.com/~zen/concepts1.zip (http://www.techno-mage.com/~zen/concepts1.zip) ^^

[Zen]

Msew, that is a beta-build http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I don't think it would cripple the game to play with it, but I do think having to have everyone go through and remake their pretenders with both Mods uploaded without having a chance to really look at the readme (which is done but I haven't packaged it) isn't a good plan.

I say 1.71!

Zeneuropefinal can be found at www.techno-mage.com/~zen/zeneuropefinal.zip (http://www.techno-mage.com/~zen/zeneuropefinal.zip)

There are no crazy quirks, just plains turned into water and redoing the #nostart.

[msew]

machaka uploaded with pretender mod 1.71 and game 2.14

[Cohen]

Urgh I've to reupload so on, mine is with 1.72 ... even if I believe it's == to 1.71 I fear there will be problems in if I keep this one. Or not?

[Cainehill]

Reuploaded with 1.71 just to make sure.

(BTW, Graeme - might be nice if you edit the first post to have the IP and port, make it easy to find.)

[Vynd]

I have reuploaded using 1.71.

[Graeme Dice]

I'll be starting the game up tonight, so if there are any Last minute changes people want to their pretenders, you now have about four hours to get them in.

[Graeme Dice]

And we're off. The first turn will host in 48 hours, or as soon as everyone finishes.

[Graeme Dice]

I restarted the game with a slightly different .map file, since Palestine was connected to Atlantic Ocean.

[Cainehill]

Hmm. Server doesn't seem to be there. Anyone else get in?

68.148.43.237 port 5555 right?

Edit: Never mind, 3rd try it went through.

[msew]

hrmm seems I made a machaka race instead of r'lyeh and uploaded it for this game!

so no sea power in here. Which should alleviate people's issues of FEARING FOR THE RIGHTFUL RULER OF THE LAND!!!!

So the SPIDER LORDS shall have to claim that spot! ahahaha

[Ygorl]

Is it reasonable to say that whoever finishes up a turn and gets the hosting rolling should post that they've done so here?

[WraithLord]

I tried this morning (GMT +2).
I tried four times but each and every time dominions got "stuck".
I'll try again this evening.

[WraithLord]

First turn taken ::)

[Vynd]

I'll try to remember to post here should I be the Last one to go in a turn. But personally speaking I won't get all huffy if other people don't want to do that.

Turn 2 has started.

[Cainehill]

Was there a restart? I had done my turn yesterday, but just got a stale turn, and am now in a different starting position. *sigh*

This rather sucks. No research, no recruitment, etc.

[Graeme Dice]

Cainehill said:
Was there a restart? I had done my turn yesterday, but just got a stale turn, and am now in a different starting position. *sigh*



There was the one restart, which I suppose caused the problem.

Has anyone else had any problems with the first turn? I'd like Cainehill to have at least one game run on my server that didn't get screwed up in the first turn.

[Cainehill]

So much for Marignon having the perfect starting position - the Papal Estates.

Feh. I take it you did something like deleting the homeland file and restarted the game, but didn't wipe the whole directory? So it saw the .2h files and processed the turn, before throwing some of them out because they didn't match the game.

[Truper]

No problems here.

[Graeme Dice]

Cainehill said:
So much for Marignon having the perfect starting position - the Papal Estates.



Nah, Marignon should be started in Avignon or Spain.


Feh. I take it you did something like deleting the homeland file and restarted the game, but didn't wipe the whole directory? So it saw the .2h files and processed the turn, before throwing some of them out because they didn't match the game.



I did wipe the whole directory, which is why I'm confused here. Perhaps it didn't download the new .trn file because it had the same turn number as your old one?

[Cainehill]

Looking at the time stamps on our Messages here, I suspect that I got connected in a short time window (about 1/2 hour) where I got the original .trn file, and uploaded my .2h based on the original .trn file.

Didn't notice the post saying the game had been restarted with a different .map file, which meant that I needed to wipe _my_ directory and do things over, so in a sense it's my own fault, albeit I was looking for new Messages posted after mine.

This is a good reason for renaming the game, and thus the game directory, in cases like this where you're restarting the game and not just the server. Otherwise you need to make sure everyone knows that they need to delete the directory on their machine to avoid problems.

[Zen]

Apparently I as well, was given the "HAND OF WRATH" starting stale. The great void has said that to even the playing field, the wild groves of Pangaea must wait a season to begin their ultimately victorious conquest.

I'm okay with mine, though I don't know if anyone else is.

[alexti]

Right, keeping the same name causes the stale problem. I'm pretty sure I have posted a warning about that yesterday, right after Graeme has announced restart. But I don't see my post now. Conspiracy! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Unless I've posted it to some other thread (or to some other board) by mistake http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Cohen]

It's normal to start with 1 province only in the middle of mine and someone else capitol?

[Cainehill]

It's not incredibly common, but I've had it happen to me two or three times. Can I just say - I hope I'm your neighbor? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Vynd]

It seems to me that if several people (myself not among them) had stale turns through no fault of their own, then we should probably restart.

[Zen]

New Turn.

[Vynd]

I take it then that none of the affected players feel the need to restart? Fine by me. But it sure is gonna be extra embarassing when they kick our cans...

[Cainehill]

Eh - restarting the game would take too long what with everyone having to reupload pretenders before it could start again, so ... *shrug*

Besides, this reminds me of the time I had 17 consecutive stale turns at the start of the game, and _still_ came back, turned things around, and ruled the world. Heh. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Zen]

Turn Up.

[Cainehill]

New Turn.

[Cainehill]

New turn, and I got bit by the "half-finished turn when checking to see how close it was to a turn being run" syndrome. Great joy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Zen]

I am wondering if we can get an Email list for Diplomacy. Apparently the PM system here is still borked and my Diplomacy is not getting to people or they are not checking their PMs.

Graeme has my Email, if everyone would send him their Email in order to have the Diplomatic Emails.

The forest and the swamp, forever in might!

[Cainehill]

Looks like someone didn't have time to post that the new turn had run.

A new turn is up.

[Cainehill]

Zen said:
I am wondering if we can get an Email list for Diplomacy.



Diplomacy? You mean, attacking a nation with overwhelming force confident that they'll welcome you with flowers? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



Apparently the PM system here is still borked and my Diplomacy is not getting to people or they are not checking their PMs.




Seems like - I've replied to people who say they didn't get my PM. Ah, progress! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

An email address for the Inquisition is lawlesswolf bat yahoo.com

(Bats don't fly in email addresses!)

[Cohen]

The fading kingdom of Arcoshepale could be contacted at cohen *at* libero *dot* it

But since I'm already besieged in capitol dunno how long I'll stay in.

[Zen]

Alexti! Speak to the frumpy, nubile, delicious messanger of Pangaea!

[Vynd]

The God of Ermor, Thrinaff, God of Wind on the Waters, He Who Seals the Gates of Death, King of Might, the Lurker in the Crypt, would be happy to chat with other nations about death, fear, crypts, diplomacy, and other interests in common. Just send your Messages to mccoyjf on the hotmail service.

[Ygorl]

I can be reached at dig4fire, at my ISP (cox.net). Unfortunately, I'm going to be gone for a week starting tomorrow; not off to the greatest start either, so I might not exist to be diplomatic with anyone.

[WraithLord]

My caelumite mages are scrying the following email address izaqyos@yahoo.com http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Zen]

By the precious Green!

[Zen]

I wasn't the Last one to take a turn, but new turn. Also the luciously unskinned minions of Eldergate seem to be shambling near the Middle East.

The Dryad Harem has stated "I love anything with a bone" thus you are welcome peaceful neighbors, but to keep yourself contained to the unfertile lands of your home and not into the bountiful and buxom domain of the Panii.

[Truper]

I hear the Valley of Death is somewhere in Asia Minor, and that its closely related to the Valley of the Dolls...

[alexti]

Yet another reason why one shouldn't stay in the way of fleeing spider...

[Vynd]

Turn 14 has just started. And yet it says that the game will host again in 10 hours. Not sure what to make of that.

Oh, and furry woodland creatures have been sighted near the mouths of the Danube. Let's hope they're friendly!

[Graeme Dice]

Vynd said:
Turn 14 has just started. And yet it says that the game will host again in 10 hours. Not sure what to make of that.



That would be how I set the timer when the server came back up. Thanks for the notice.

[Cohen]

I've problem to connect here. Server says it's sending me wrong packets ... and it closes Dom2, like a nagot.
This happens after it asked me for password.

[Cainehill]

I got that myself just now, but connected a second time and it worked fine.

Incidentally, the new turn apparently went 4 hours ago since the next is in 44 hours.

[alexti]

Only 10 hours left until the next hosting

[Zen]

New Turn - Sorry for the Delay.

[alexti]

Yet another new turn

[Cainehill]

Looks like the "frumpy, nubile, delicious messanger of Pangaea" has been deliciously distracted, with Pan staling in 9 minutes.

[Ygorl]

C'tis and Marignon had best be taking their turns, say within 18 hours, or things will go ill for them. Very ill.

[Graeme Dice]

I need to shut the server down for a few hours. If this messes up anyone's turn playing schedule, please let me know, and I'll make sure to wait for your turn before hosting.

[Cainehill]

New Turn.

[Vynd]

Turn 25 has just started.

[Vynd]

Pangaea and Marignon have only 4 hours left before the game hosts.

[Cainehill]

Graeme Dice said:
The game conditions will be:
Map: Zen's Europe map.
Magic Sites: 50%
Independents: 6
Renaming on
Standard Research
No house rules
48 hr quickhost




What happened to 48 hr quickhost? I almost had a stale because it's now set to 24 or some such, and after the turn running today there's now only 18 hours to go.

If Pythium or Pangaea staled (they also only had 4 hours left) it's because the hosting was changed.

[Graeme Dice]

Cainehill said:
What happened to 48 hr quickhost? I almost had a stale because it's now set to 24 or some such, and after the turn running today there's now only 18 hours to go.



The hosting was on 48 hr quickhost. Last night, I rebooted the server with 20 hours left before the deadline, and after 28 hours had passed from the Last hosting. There is no way to tell the server to run the next turn at a maximum of 20 hours, then switch to 48 hours after that, so I have to set the time between hosts to whatever is needed for the rest of the turn.

[Zen]

A New Month.

Buffy, 3rd-Tier Pleasure Nymph was recently wondering at the Pretender from Pythium. Apparently she had recently visited him at his palace for a oiled massage (Massage those Godaches away) and he had paid with credit which was mysteriously stopped payment.

She was quite miffed and so we must know the details!

[Cainehill]

Details? Well - you know how it is. The Inquisition saw a purple flag, and knew that it was the undead vileness of Ermor. As it turned out, they confessed (oh how they confessed!) to sheltering the undead, using a tax shelter to fund massages, slaying JFK, and voting for Perot. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

It was good for the junior inquisitors to see such evidence of the Inquisitions infallibility - not like earlier times, when they witnessed the attack of a purple flag which was not properly overcome. Remember - on a good day, even an orange flag can look purple.

[Zen]

New Turn.

The Pangaean Council is quite unhappy with their Boney Neighbors who persist in dragging their sickly, ugly dominion around their land, then have the arrogance to start building *TEMPLES* near our border as if our Dominion were encroaching. This is a verbal warning to the heathens of Ermor to keep their cold, dead, slothful and turmoil laden ways to themselves and not try to push it upon the peaceful groves of Pangaea. The Heart of the Oak is strong and for long has the Mother held ready hand of the wild to those who wish to prey upon our inhabitants.

[Vynd]

Thrinaff, God of Ermor, apologizes if his awe-inspiring presence and promise of everLasting unlife has proven attractive to the woodland creatures of Pangaea. Thrinaff's subjects constructed the temples of which you speak purely to express the love for Thrinaff found within their cold, lifeless hearts and/or places where their hearts were located in the distant past. They had no thought of interfering with Pangaean affairs (for indeed the vast majority of them are mindless).

[Vynd]

Turn 30 has begun.

[Zen]

I was wondering if we could change this to pure quickhost for a few days, I won't be able to be around to take my turn by whatever the crazy schedule is (not 48h, I know that I've been staling every few turns) and I'm finally to the point where it's important I get my turns in and I will be away for about 3 days. If not, that's okay too.

[Graeme Dice]

I can change it to normal quickhost if nobody else minds.

[Cainehill]

No problems with it here.

[Truper]

No objections.

[alexti]

Fine with me. More time to think for sluggish lizards...

[Vynd]

I'm OK with the change.

[Vynd]

Turn 33 is underway.

[Zen]

Alright I'm back and have taken my turn, if you want to put it back on it's hosting schedule.

Savvy sav Vanheim.

[Knudsen]

Hi
I just wanted to let you know that I'm the sub for Izagyos for the next approx. five weeks.

All previously made agrement You have may made with Caelum will be honoured. But other than that, Iz has given me a fairly free hand with his empire.

[Zen]

All previous contracts will be upheld? The Dryad Council has tabulated the Caelum Pretender's "Massage Oil and Scented Bath Soaps" bill and it has amounted to 40 Air Gems.

Don't make us send it to collections and we have the utmost good faith you will take care of said bill at the earliest possible time.

[alexti]

And yet another turn...

[Zen]

I need a replacement, I can't play this game anymore. I've staled now, entirely too many times for me to even be relatively happy with the hosting. For whatever reasonings, the game is not taking my turns and I only have 10 minutes to do them and not the time to redo them over and over checking to see if the hosting schedule has changed. Out of the Last 5 turns I have staled 3 of them including the early game ones. If you are interested or know anyone who wants to take over a Pan game, please have them PM or Email me ASAP.

P.S. The position is not a bad one, though the diplomacy seems caught quite in the rut due to people not recieving or not replying to Emails in any sort of timely fashion.

[Graeme Dice]

I don't know why my server doesn't like your turns Zen, but you certainly have had more than your fair share of problems on it. It has been running on 48 hr quickhost since you asked for it to be put back on the schedule however.

[Zen]

I don't think it's the machine. There are just certain times that the game doesn't like certain people. I've had it happen on games I've hosted as well. As for the scheduling, since it's quickhost, I have to make sure I only check the game every 48 hours unless I know I have the time to redo a turn in the next 12 hours for the host.

This just isn't the time of year I have with my working schedule and on the move.

[Vynd]

I see that Zen has gone AI now. Sorry that you weren't able to stick with us in this one Zen. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Graeme Dice]

My server is having serious problems that I believe are related to NAV 2005. I'll see what I can do to improve the stability somehow.

[Graeme Dice]

What would everybody like to do with this game over the holidays? I can't guarantee that the server will stay up perfectly for the whole time, so it might be best to take a break at some point.

[Truper]

Might as well leave it up but turn the timer off. If the server does stay up, and people have the inclination to take turns, we may get a few in.

Its been an odd game - rather pacifistic. I woder how long that can Last? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Vynd]

I agree, leave the server up with no timer and we'll just see what happens.

[Cainehill]

Are we still active?

[alexti]

I think I remember Graeme was saying something about holidays, I hope that now, when the holidays are over it will continue...

[Vynd]

It looks like the game is moving again.

[Knudsen]

Vynd said:
It looks like the game is moving again.



Or then again, maybe not?

Btw. Iz just got back from his vacation, and kindly offered me Caelum on a permanent basis - so I'll be in full charge of the Birdmen from now on.

[Vynd]

The timer for the game seems to have been turned back on. 39 hours and counting, at the moment.

[alexti]

Is the server up? I don't seem to be able to connect...

[Truper]

The pace of this game has slowed to the point that it's not really holding my interest. What do the rest of you think about this? Still having fun?

[Cainehill]

I'm feeling the same way - can't remember what happened, starting to not care what does happen.

[Knudsen]

Cainehill said:

I'm feeling the same way - can't remember what happened, starting to not care what does happen.



I second that opinion. Though it seems to me that, with the exception of Mictlan, the turn are still coming in at a reasonable pace

[alexti]

Yeah, it's hard to maintain an interest when it is so slow. I'd be either for setting it to fixed schedule (48hrs?) or abandoning it...

[Vynd]

I'm happy to keep plugging away. But given that my current situation is not so good, I'm not going to shed any tears if the game is ended. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Truper]

Welp, I don't know what's happened, but as of turn 55, my empire has disappeared. All my units are gone, I got lots of battles with bad VCR headers, a few provinces seem to be under the control of R'lyeh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif and the game seems entirely fubared. Did this happen to anyone else?

[Knudsen]

Truper said:
Welp, I don't know what's happened, but as of turn 55, my empire has disappeared. All my units are gone, I got lots of battles with bad VCR headers, a few provinces seem to be under the control of R'lyeh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif and the game seems entirely fubared. Did this happen to anyone else?



Don't know. I can't get through to the server

[alexti]

Truper said:
Welp, I don't know what's happened, but as of turn 55, my empire has disappeared. All my units are gone, I got lots of battles with bad VCR headers, a few provinces seem to be under the control of R'lyeh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif and the game seems entirely fubared. Did this happen to anyone else?



Ahhh... I thought you'd say it was C'tis fault http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I can't even connect to the game, so I don't know what's happening

[Graeme Dice]

Truper said:
Welp, I don't know what's happened, but as of turn 55, my empire has disappeared. All my units are gone, I got lots of battles with bad VCR headers, a few provinces seem to be under the control of R'lyeh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif and the game seems entirely fubared. Did this happen to anyone else?



Crap. It looks like there was a collision between the two games I'm running on this computer. I had a similar thing happen in a different game that I was playing in a long time ago. The games are probably not recoverable, and I apologize for not having a recent backup.

[Vynd]

Hmm. Well I guess that's it then?

[Truper]

I guess it is.

Had the game gone on, I think it would have been C'tis'. I think we could have an interesting discussion over the relative usefulness of late game Death gems vs. all others.

I for one think Tartarian Gate should simply be removed from the game. [Dons flame-proof suit]. In a game about Pretenders, being able to chain-summon Pretender-class units just doesn't make much sense.

[alexti]

Truper said:
I guess it is.

Had the game gone on, I think it would have been C'tis'.



I think I agree http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


Truper said:
I think we could have an interesting discussion over the relative usefulness of late game Death gems vs. all others.



I think I agree here too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif death gems are good http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif There's no hoarding method to get them though. So their usefullness is somewhat balanced by difficulty of obtaining them. And Well of Misery didn't have to stay that long. Can you say wonders of C'tis diplomacy? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


Truper said:
I for one think Tartarian Gate should simply be removed from the game. [Dons flame-proof suit]. In a game about Pretenders, being able to chain-summon Pretender-class units just doesn't make much sense.


Tartarian Gate or Gift of Reason? Non-commander tartarians are not that dangerous. In another game I played, which lasted into the late game, Tartarians were the weapon of choice for everybody. Funny thing was a Wish-wars for The Chalice http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Vynd]

I agree, C'tis was in an excellent position to win. Had Zen not dropped out though, that might have gone differently. He was a much more dangerous neighbor for alexti than I was. Especially after Caelum and Marignon attacked me. There was no way I could be anything but friendly to C'tis after that.

I figured I was doomed from the start since I was right in the middle of the map and everyone would hate having me as a neighbor. I'm just pleased that when the attacks finally came, I didn't get completely steamrolled.

Getting the Soulstone of the Wolves off of some AI Pangaean troops was fun. Marignon in particular seemed to be having trouble dealing with my Calls of the Wild.

[Knudsen]

Vynd said:
I agree, C'tis was in an excellent position to win. Had Zen not dropped out though, that might have gone differently. He was a much more dangerous neighbor for alexti than I was. Especially after Caelum and Marignon attacked me. There was no way I could be anything but friendly to C'tis after that.

I figured I was doomed from the start since I was right in the middle of the map and everyone would hate having me as a neighbor. I'm just pleased that when the attacks finally came, I didn't get completely steamrolled.

Getting the Soulstone of the Wolves off of some AI Pangaean troops was fun. Marignon in particular seemed to be having trouble dealing with my Calls of the Wild.



Killing off your wolves was a nice change from all the undead. It's a pity the game stopped, I was just getting my summoned troops moving and getting the hang of Caelum. Still.. I agree the C'tis is the most likely winner.

[Vynd]

Yeah, I noticed that Caelum had some high quality troops headed my way. What was that, a Fire King and a bunch of Air Elementals and an Air Queen and a bunch of some other nasty critter... I forget. Anyway I was not happy to see them show up on my borders after I finally rid myself of most of your weaker troops.

[Knudsen]

Vynd said:
Yeah, I noticed that Caelum had some high quality troops headed my way. What was that, a Fire King and a bunch of Air Elementals and an Air Queen and a bunch of some other nasty critter... I forget. Anyway I was not happy to see them show up on my borders after I finally rid myself of most of your weaker troops.



There was a 50% conjuration site in Sahara, so I had a bit of everything. Water Queens, Air Queens, Fire Kings and a load of Vine Ogres, Elementals, Undead Cavalry, Mechanical Men and so on - and more on their way. My problem was that I had to teach most of them to swim before they could get to Italy ;-)

btw. I'm hoping my carpet bombing with Fires from the Sky made some impression too.

[Vynd]

A 50% conjuration site? Man if I'd had one of those...

I assumed that the Fires were Marignon's doing. They killed a few hundred of my longdeads etc., but I don't know that they would have done me much good against your armies anyway.