Randomosity I - Started!

[Soapyfrog]

Details:
www.soapyfrog.net/dom2/randomosity1.htm (http://www.soapyfrog.net/dom2/randomosity1.htm)

We are looking for 10 players. No house rules, only mod is Zen's pretender mod v1.9. Hectic, small map fun!!

We're playing on map 04DecS21, a Gandalf Parker-generated random map, with 85 provinces (10 water).

Game Settings:

Indep Strength: 9
Research: hard
Magic Site Freq: 50
Hall of Fame: 15
Graphs: off
Renaming: allowed
Victory: Standard

Current Player List:

Ctis - Soapyfrog
Pangaea - Nappa
Abysia - The_Tauren13
Man - Legacyspy
Marignon - Pashadawg
Jotunheim - Jurri
Caelum - DragonFire11
Vanheim - quantum_mechani
Pythium - Cainehill
Atlantis - Vega

*** Note: Dec. 8th 2004 ***

We will be using Zen's pretender mod v1.9 after all.

If you have already made and uploaded a pretender, you will have to recreate him with the pretender mod enabled.

Direct link to the mod here: www.soapyfrog.net/dom2/conceptp19.zip (http://www.soapyfrog.net/dom2/conceptp19.zip)

[Soapyfrog]

I have claimed Ctis. Nappa has claimed Pangaea (do you see a pattern here? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif).

Please claim your spot in this thread before uploading, and DO NOT hit "Start Game" after uploading! Thank you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[The_Tauren13]

I'll join as Abysia.

[Legacyspy]

Again, if you dont mind a newb, I would like to join as man.

[Legacyspy]

Again, if you dont mind a newb, I would like to join as man.

[Soapyfrog]

Not many takers for small random maps, I guess http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[The Panther]

It is early yet, give people time.

[Cainehill]

Might also be that some people don't like very difficult research (having gotten enough of that in Cohen's many games) or indies-9. Or, like myself, they prefer to get into games using Zen's pretenders mod.

Anyways, good luck.

[Soapyfrog]

Awhoops, research is actually meant to be set at hard, as per the web link.

[Soapyfrog]

I could be convinced to use the pretender mod... I just figured I would see if anyone actually wants to play unmodded games. Any comments for or against, form those already committed?

[Nappa]

I'm all for anything that helps balance.

[Legacyspy]

I am okay with pretender mod as long as we use scales mods with it, and while we r at it why dont we use the Fearen test mod(from fools lamment 3)

[Soapyfrog]

We could do that, of course I am in favour of the idea... although people might balk at the more extensive spell/item modding.

All in favour say aye?

[Cainehill]

Just to point out, Zen's scale mod is currently broken: the 19 protection fanatics are bad enough as a random event, but they also take the place of independent militia, as well as the militia that are recruitable by nations such as Man and that show up as PD troops for others (such as Pythium).

While the resource cost is high (29) for recruiting, think of Pythium with 20 sacred 19 protection fanatics for the cost of 10 PD. IMO, it's totally unbalanced until the militia/fanatics issue is fixed.

Edit: Unlike Marignon's fanatics, these ones from the mod are non-sacred, but it still gives a big, unintended, boost to those nations with 16 morale, 19 armor, PD.

[Soapyfrog]

The mod compilation I am using does not include Zen's scale mod, or the replacement of militia with fanatics.

This mod currently affects the scales as follows:

#turmoilevents 3

#deathsupply 30
#deathdeath 5

#slothincome 3
#slothresources 25

#misfortune 15
#luckevents 15

That's it! Just a basic nerf to the most abused scales.

[PashaDawg]

Well, shucks... I am losing big time in the Newbie Slugfest... so, maybe I could bring my own special magic (um, ineptitude) to this game? May I?

I'd play Marignon.

PASHADAWG

[Cainehill]

Soapyfrog said:
The mod compilation I am using does not include Zen's scale mod, or the replacement of militia with fanatics.

This mod currently affects the scales as follows:

#turmoilevents 3

#deathsupply 30
#deathdeath 5

#slothincome 3
#slothresources 25

#misfortune 15
#luckevents 15

That's it! Just a basic nerf to the most abused scales.



Which means ... Sloth hurts more, death hurts more - do growth and productivity also help more? And I'm guessing the #turmoilevents is reducing the impact of order/turmoil on events happening, while #misfortune/luckevents is ... increasing the likelihood of an event being good or bad, and making luck/misfortune cause more events?

What I'm personally more concerned with is the magic / items modding, were your full set of mods be used - myself, I prefer to avoid variants (mods) that change the whole game, because the skills and tactics aren't applicable to the usual game, and vice versa. Fun if you have time to spend a bunch of time playing the variant SP to learn the impact of the changes, but...

(Zen's Pretender mod doesn't, imo, have a deep impact on gameplay; his others may not be as transparent but on the other paw may be on their way to becoming at least a de facto standard.)

[Soapyfrog]

Cainehill said:
I prefer to avoid variants (mods) that change the whole game, because the skills and tactics aren't applicable to the usual game, and vice versa.


I understand that, and indeed this mod is totally meant to change the tactical and strategic calculus of the game. The whole point is to take those things that most players do to the exclusion of all else and make them less obvious, while taking those things that are generally ignored and making them a little more attractive.



(Zen's Pretender mod doesn't, imo, have a deep impact on gameplay; his others may not be as transparent but on the other paw may be on their way to becoming at least a de facto standard.)


Which is why this mod uses the pretender and spell mod as a very solid base. But you are totally right, this mod is making some sweeping changes, all things considered, form vanilla dom2.

[Soapyfrog]

In any case in the original spirit of trying to keep this game as unmodded as possible, how about we just use Zen's pretender mod, and leave it at that? Any objections?

[Cainehill]

Soapyfrog said:
In any case in the original spirit of trying to keep this game as unmodded as possible, how about we just use Zen's pretender mod, and leave it at that? Any objections?



In which case I'd be happy to play a game on the random small map. Just have to figure out which nation.

[Jurri]

Where do you get the energy to host this many games, Soapy? Man, soon you'll be in Mosehansen's league... Way cool!

Anyways, I'll play Jotunheim.

[Soapyfrog]

Well the only real work is in the setup, once that's done I find the games tend to run themselves http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[DragonFire11]

Hello:

I too am a fleeing refugee from the Newbie slugfest - making me the ‘slugee’ not the ‘slugor’ if you get my drift. Anyway, I'd love to join if you will have me. Caelum would be my choice of the moment.

[DragonFire11]

Dang, I think I replied to the wrong post above and it might get missed so I will paste the same message here:

Hello:

I too am a fleeing refugee from the Newbie slugfest - making me the ‘slugee’ not the ‘slugor’ if you get my drift. Anyway, I'd love to join if you will have me. Caelum would be my choice of the moment.

[quantum_mechani]

I would be interested in the game. I will probably take Vanhiem unless someone else wants them.

[Soapyfrog]

Cool, two more and we are good to go!

[PashaDawg]

Soapyfrog:

Let me first state that I love your name. I can picture a little "ribbitter" jumping out of the soapy dishwater... or something like that.

Next, do I need to download the map for this game?

Thanks. I'm looking forward to playing. I will do up my pretender tonight.

PASHA

[Soapyfrog]

Heheh... yes you need to download the map, and also the pretender mod since we will be using it. Both are linked to the webpage provided in the first post in this thread.

[Cainehill]

Guess I'll claim Pythium while there's still a Pythium to claim. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[PashaDawg]

Hey, Cainehill... I know you'll be sad to learn that you missed one heck of a snow/ice storm here in Maine. I will bundle up some snow and mail it to you, but it won't be from Washington County. Sorry.

PASHA

[PashaDawg]

I neglected to finish my pretender... so, I will do it by tonight.

[Nappa]

After looking at that map, having 10 people on that map is crazy!

Can we start with 9?

[Cainehill]

Nappa said:
After looking at that map, having 10 people on that map is crazy!

Can we start with 9?



Note that soapyfrog did say, "Hectic, small map fun!!"

10 on that map is definately hectic small map fun, and a nice change of pace from the usual undercrowded situations.

[Nappa]

I started a SP game to get a sense of the map. I had C'tis two territories to my left, Abysia 3 territories to my right and Arco 3 territories down from me. OUCH.

It will be a quick game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Soapyfrog]

Yup! And then, there will be Randomosity II http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[The_Tauren13]

Soapyfrog said:
Yup! And then, there will be Randomosity II http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



count me in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[PashaDawg]

What is the IP address? I am trying to upload and it t'aint working. I have been using "soapyfrog.no-ip.info" as the IP, and 2348 as the port. Am I missing something?

[Soapyfrog]

Server is up, everything is good. Should work! IP address is dynamic, so it will change over time. Right now it is 24.203.110.39

[PashaDawg]

Thanks, Frog.

I've uploaded my pretender. Now, if the IP is dynamic, does that mean you need to notify us regularly when it changes?

Pasha

[Cainehill]

Still looking for the 10th player (Rylen was looking for an open game) or should I upload a pretender ASAP?

[DragonFire11]

Hello. I put in my pretender. Is there any way we can start the game so that I can make my first move on Sunday evening pacific time? I'll be out of town until then. Thanks!

[The_Tauren13]

DragonFire11 said:
Hello. I put in my pretender. Is there any way we can start the game so that I can make my first move on Sunday evening pacific time? I'll be out of town until then. Thanks!



I'm leaving early tomorrow and won't be back until late sunday as well.

[Cainehill]

Soapyfrog - you'll want to edit the .map file a little - provinces 11 and 27 are connected, but should not be.

[Soapyfrog]

Hmmm ok I'll check it out, thanks.

[Cainehill]

Still tweaking and testing pretender setups, since I haven't done Pythium since way back in my newbie days. Sounding like others were hoping for a Sunday start time - Satyrday night okay for my pretender upload? I'll slot something in by whenever, but could use the time.

[Vega]

Yo,

I'd like to join this game, I guess there's still an empty spot... I'll try Atlantis

[Soapyfrog]

Ok we are full!

We may have one extra player, a friend of mine, relative newbie, wants to try a quick game. So we may have an 11 player. That 10 land and 1 sea... ouch.

Still have to edit the map, will look at that straight away.

[Soapyfrog]

Ah I am confused, Vega IS the extra guy. Good then we are 10 precisely, and we will start whenever all the pretenders are uploaded (tomorrow, hopefully?).

[PashaDawg]

Has the map been edited and ready for final download?

[Cainehill]

I've got a pretender in - all that's missing is Man/Legacyspy.

(And other people don't need to DL the corrected map file - if you have the map, the province neighbor changes only need to be on the server.)

[PashaDawg]

Cainehill said:

(And other people don't need to DL the corrected map file - if you have the map, the province neighbor changes only need to be on the server.)



Thanks! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[DragonFire11]

In the pike five by five.

[Soapyfrog]

Isn't that "in the pipe"? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Waiting on Legacyspy... if he ups tonight I can kick off the server otherwise it will be tomorrow evening most likely.

[DragonFire11]

I thought it was 'pike' so I googled both terms and each provided results, although more with your understanding. I checked the script, but it seems that it was something they added on the fly. I recall, however, from watching the commentary that Bill Paxon's kid loves that particular line and repeats it all the time and I heard it as 'pike.' So the bottom line is I don't know. Next time I watch the film I will pay close attention. Until then, both terms are fairly close in meaning, but I prefer the sound of 'pike' over 'pipe.' You may be right however . . .

[Soapyfrog]

I always thought it was "pipe" as in some kind of slang for the correct approach vector... I am not sure I would WANT to be "in the pike"... sounds fishy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Alrighty who votes we start the server tonight, Legacyspy or no Legacyspy?

[Cainehill]

I'd vote for tonight - hopefully Legacyspy checks the forum and uploads, now the weekend is over.

[Legacyspy]

Hey I just got home from school and saw this post, ill upload right now.

[DragonFire11]

Soapyfrog:

Actually, I'm impressed that you even recognized the quote. It's not exactly something that is well known or repeated much. It has just stuck in my brain since I was a teenager. Figures I suppose.

[The_Tauren13]

DragonFire11 said:
It's not exactly something that is well known or repeated much.



You'd be surprised. Even I recognized it.

[Soapyfrog]

I am a font of useless trivia... a boast I am sure many here can equally make!

[Soapyfrog]

Server started! 24H qh.

[PashaDawg]

I am having trouble connecting. Is the IP address the same?

[Cainehill]

PashaDawg said:
I am having trouble connecting. Is the IP address the same?



Not sure about the IP address, but using the name works. My shortcut works for it just fine ( "C:\Program Files\dominions2\dom2.exe" --tcpclient --ipadr soapyfrog.no-ip.info --port 2348 ). The IP address is currently 24.203.110.39.

Maybe it's the snow interfering? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

(We had about 3 inches here 2 weeks ago - all gone now, and only the stuff in the shade Lasted more than 3 or 4 days.)

[Soapyfrog]

Pff... 3 inches... I've had to shovel my driveway 3 times in 2 days.

Yeah the ip is dynamic, so use soapyfrog.no-ip.info that SHOULD work a-ok.

[DragonFire11]

Ok Tauren13 - is it pike or pipe?

[DragonFire11]

Oh no! I am getting a mod error!

[DragonFire11]

Ouch! I had extracted the mod in the dom folder not the map folder. Hmmm. It seems too late to fix the error. Any thoughts?

[Cainehill]

I take it you haven't used mods before? You have to turn on the mod (via the Preferences menu option) before creating your pretender. If you didn't have it in the right place, you definately didn't turn it on. *mutter*

Hmmm. I was thinking there was a way to salvage things, if soapy saved the other .2h files and deleted the game directory before recreating the game and directory and copy the .2h files back in, so only you had to upload your pretender.

Sadly, since Illwinter misuses, or at least reuses the .2h file format both for pretender upload and the regular "to host" (.2h) turn files, everyone's pretender uploads are already overwritten. So unless soapyfrog saved the original .2h files containing pretenders, the only "fix" would be to restart the game, probably forcing many players to recreate pretenders.

I take it you're like, mmm, an archmage with no magic paths or something similarly, mmm, if not 'unplayable' at least 'uncompetitive'?

Soapy's game - his call on restarting the game from scratch or letting you have a choice, where either you play things out or go AI. Either way, don't feel too bad - I've been in multiple games where it had to be restarted 3 times or so because people didn't get the mods right.

(Which begs the question of whether someone has asked, in the Dom3 Wishlist, for a game server that _checks_ to make sure various things were done correctly in a pretender's creation - mods would be the most blatantly obvious / required setting, but also things like 'human' pretenders only, immobiles only, no magic paths added, etc.)

Or at least - using a ".god" file to upload the pretender, and issuing notifications to _everyone_ if someone had messed up with their pretender vice the game settings. That way, the host could run the first turn, check and see if everything was okay, and if a player or two had goofed, email them to upload a corrected pretender, while keeping what everyone else had sent up.

[Jurri]

Cainehill said:
I take it you're like, mmm, an archmage with no magic paths or something similarly, mmm, if not 'unplayable' at least 'uncompetitive'?



If he were, wouldn't we all be informed of it? (-foo- has cheated...)

What's the error message like, Dragonfire? If it's like 'can't locate file xxx.dm', it can be fixed by placing the desired file in the desired place.

[Soapyfrog]

I can rollback to setup, since I prudently saved the files before kicking off the server. For now I will put the server hosting on hold until we have determined that there is a problem.

[PashaDawg]

Dragonfire:

I know you played with an older Version of of the mod in the Slugfest.

In this game, we are playing with a later Version.

Could this be the cause of problems?

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Cainehill said:

My shortcut works for it just fine ( "C:\Program Files\dominions2\dom2.exe" --tcpclient --ipadr soapyfrog.no-ip.info --port 2348 ).

Maybe it's the snow interfering? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

(We had about 3 inches here 2 weeks ago - all gone now, and only the stuff in the shade Lasted more than 3 or 4 days.)



Thanks, Cainehill:

That shortcut works great.

It can't be the snow, because all we got in Portland was a little snow (that promptly melted) and then rain. I'd rather have some nice fluffy snow. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[The_Tauren13]

DragonFire11 said:
Ok Tauren13 - is it pike or pipe?


pipe is blizzard's interpretation, which is worth a lot http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Soapyfrog]

emailed to me by a friend:

"Five by five is a radio communications expression that means 'loud and clear'. One of the fives represents the S units of reception strength. The other five is a rating of the signal clarity. Five by five is a good, clear signal. The radio use of this expression goes back to the 1950s: "'All right, testing, one-two-three-four. . .' 'Five by five, Mr. Holloran!'" (Hunter, Blackboard Jungle, 1954)."

He's pretty sure its "pipe" as well. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Soapyfrog]

Alright lets move forward with this game... none of received any error messgaes except (strangely) Dragonfire.

Dragonfire I recommend you delete the save game folder for this game before connecting again, that way you will for sure get the server's Version of what the heck is happening...

P.S. and make sure the mod is in the "mods" directory http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[DragonFire11]

Hello All!

OK, I just got back from a heavy day at work and ya'll are right (except for that pipe thing) that I am clueless. Existing in a state of haste, I failed to but the mod folder in the mod file! I did it and all looks great - In the pike five by five! And I am going to watch that scene this evening.

[DragonFire11]

Next turn is up!

[Soapyfrog]

Alright server is set to 24qh now... stick that in your pipe and smoke it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Legacyspy]

New Patch

[Soapyfrog]

Anybody object to me applying the 2.15 patch to the server?

[The_Tauren13]

Soapyfrog said:
Anybody object to me applying the 2.15 patch to the server?


would be great

[quantum_mechani]

Fine with me.

[Cainehill]

I'd rather wait to see what new bugs (if any) have been introduced, as it doesn't sound like anything in the patch is going to affect the early game (call of the wind into sea provinces isn't likely until someone has Soulstone of the Wolves to make it free, imo).

[Nappa]

I'd like to upgrade though I wouldn't mind waiting a couple of days to see if any major bugs develop.

[PashaDawg]

I am fine either way. I agree that it never hurts to wait a bit in case of bugs.

[PashaDawg]

Hey! I just checked the game out, and it says that there are 65 hours to the next host.

Are we waiting on someone or is there a mistake?

[Cainehill]

I'm guessing it's been reset to insanely slow to keep Legacyspy from staling. Personally, if someone can't be bothered to take even their early turns, when presumably nothing should have come up to interfere with getting 5-10 minutes in, I think they ought to be set to AI - they're only going to get worse as the turns take longer.

It'd be one thing if he'd posted something saying he was going to be unable to take his turn; I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of players want the game slowed or paused during this holiday season, for instance.

Edit: Sheesh - Legacyspy also decided to skip the first three turns in the Fools Lament III game. He's posting today, but not taking his turns. We going to go to 240 hour QH so there's a chance he might not stale?

[The_Tauren13]

I would send him a PM and see whats up.

Nothing more annoying then a staler...
although unemployed people who join too many games and always wait until the Last minute to do their turns come close http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Jurri]

I say make Man AI and be done with it... Obviously his schedule is incompatible with other players.

[Soapyfrog]

Yeah I am trying to find out wtf is up with him. We shall return to our regular brisk schedule shortly.

[Legacyspy]

Im really sry, I should be able to keep up now. Even over christmas.

[Soapyfrog]

Back on 24h

[Cainehill]

And a new turn.

[Cainehill]

And Merry Illwintermas, another new turn!

[PashaDawg]

Hey! I am off to Texas for a bizarre Christmas in Houston. The fun starts on December 24 and ends on December 27.

What this means is that I won't be able to play my turns.

Shall I find a substitute, or is there a plan to put the game a little on hold during that time anyway?

PASHA

[Soapyfrog]

Does anyone mind pausing for 3 days over Xmas?

[Cainehill]

No problems here.

[Nappa]

It's handy for me also.

[DragonFire11]

Pausing is fine with me! Have a good trip Dawg.

[quantum_mechani]

It works for me as well.

[Cainehill]

PashaDawg said:
Hey! I am off to Texas for a bizarre Christmas in Houston. The fun starts on December 24 and ends on December 27.




Hah! You just couldn't handle the cold and the snow! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Merry Xmas in Hades, er, Houston. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Legacyspy]

I like it too

[PashaDawg]

FYI.

I am back from my trip.

Texas actually had a White Christmas this year.

Pasha

[Soapyfrog]

The server will be going down at @9:00am EST Thursday, December 30th, for maintenance, and will likely be down for most of the day.

[PashaDawg]

Gosh... I am going away again for a few days to spend new years with friends. Are we still on the extended host period?

[Soapyfrog]

Server back up, and still on 72h quickhost. I will set it back to 24 on Sunday night.

[Cainehill]

Seems some of our turns got erased when you jiggered the hosting - I got a stale despite having had my turn in. IIRC this is something that sometimes happens when hosting schedules are changed when turns are already uploaded. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Soapyfrog]

Crap! We can rollback if you like...

[Legacyspy]

My turn was fine.

[DragonFire11]

I cannot get in. The game freezes when I try to network. Is the server OK?

[Soapyfrog]

Yeah server crashed on host... probably because I had 4 games set to host at exactly the same time.

Server is back up, now set to 24H qh.

[Legacyspy]

Hey all, there is a good chance, some one will have to sub for me cause, my mom messed up my computer so I got pissed at her, and now shes pissed at me, so she might confiscate my interent/computer. If i stale 2-3 turns, have some one sub for me.

[Soapyfrog]

Sorry folks I have roll back and rehost, turn file got corrupted somehow.

*curses server under breath*

[Soapyfrog]

I couldnt correct the problem so I restored the current gamestate... anyone else get a "turn file corrupted" message, or is it just me?

[quantum_mechani]

I don't know if my turn file got corrupted... the select nation screen is flashing so much I can't get into the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Jurri]

It's flashing for me, too.

[Cainehill]

I can get in, but this sounds like some other, older, games where people had this problem as well.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Soapyfrog]

Ok. I am going to try and restore the game to a working state, and then I am going to upgrade to v2.15 which, as I understand it, fixes a couple of bugs related this kind of thing.

Any objections?

[Soapyfrog]

Ok well I have rolled back to turn 16, and upgraded to v2.15.

Please make sure to delete your game folder and upgrade before connecting. Hopefully this will put an end to our problems.

[PashaDawg]

Soapyfrog said:
Ok well I have rolled back to turn 16, and upgraded to v2.15.

Please make sure to delete your game folder and upgrade before connecting. Hopefully this will put an end to our problems.



Hi Frog!! Is it required that I delete the game folder before playing the next turn?

[Soapyfrog]

Yep! Highly recommended, otherwise you are likely to stale, since you will be using an invalid turn file.

[PashaDawg]

Hmmmm Ok.

[Soapyfrog]

You make it sound like its a big deal http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Just delete the Randomosity_1 folder. It will recreate itself when you reconnect.

[PashaDawg]

Nope. I was all set. Thanks.

[quantum_mechani]

hmm... flashing screen again...

[Soapyfrog]

Same here. I am going to rehost...

[Soapyfrog]

Rehosted... delete game folder and reconnect!

[Cainehill]

@#$*@#$*@#

The rehosting deleted my turn file, causing _another_ stale when I'd uploaded a turn.

This is getting old.

[Soapyfrog]

Hmm that is very odd... it should not have staled your turn!

I look in the savegame folder and it recorded your trn file but no 2h file. Everyone else has a 2h file recorded except you and Pangaea.

Could be a problem with the savegame utility not catching your 2h file for some reason http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif. I will strive to ensure it does not happen again... i.e. if I have rehost for some reason I will not do so until I know I have everyone's 2h file from the previous turn.

[Soapyfrog]

Hmm I staled this turn as well. Geez.

Just in case its the savegame utility that is causing the grief, I am going to shut it down for the time being.

[Jurri]

A new turn!

Good game, quantum, btw. Now I know _not_ to rush you in the future, 'cause, man, you're such a pain in the arse! In the good sense of the word http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[quantum_mechani]

Jurri said:
A new turn!

Good game, quantum, btw. Now I know _not_ to rush you in the future, 'cause, man, you're such a pain in the arse! In the good sense of the word http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


Heh, thanks. I could have caused a lot more pain if I had not staled the turn before Last http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif .

[Soapyfrog]

Dyndns service seems to be down.

Here is an IP to connect to for the time being: 24.203.110.39

[PashaDawg]

Not much chat in this game. How is everybody doing?

[Legacyspy]

Meh

[The_Tauren13]

Scene I: An army of peasants wants to enlist in the Abysian army.

Peasant: We will fight for our god!
Warlord: Your God? You know if the Abysians win this war we will enslave all humans...
Peasant: Yes, but you pay well, and since our morale is so low, chances are we will run before we have to actually fight. So really, it’s a good deal. For us.
Warlord: Why would we pay you anything? You're useless!
Peasant: Well, you won't actually pay us. We'll just show up and take your money when we want it.
Warlord: Oh yeah? (raises mace)
Peasant: Oh and by the way, you can't kill your own troops. (the Warlord’s mace mysteriously fails to harm the peasant)
Warlord: What? Nobody said you were on our side? In fact, I said you weren't.
Peasant: Yeah, but we need the money. Think of it as welfare.
Warlord: There is no welfare in Abysia, you fool. We don't support, we oppress!
Peasant: Right. Call us if you need us. Not that you ever will.
Warlord: (looks around) There's got to be an enemy province around. Somewhere to get you guys killed.
Peasant: (laughs) Haha, see! That's our plan. You can give me my half of a gold coin for this month now, I need a drink.


Scene II: The Warlord tries to explain to his God what happened.

Vampire Queen: Let me get this straight. You hired a band of militia? On whose orders?
Warlord: Their orders, my Queen.
Vampire Queen: What? I fail to comprehend. Who is 'their'?
Warlord: The peasants themselves, my Queen.
Vampire Queen: You're taking orders from humans? I have no use for you. (begins to drain the Warlord's life)
Warlord: Wait! No! You can't kill your own troops!
Vampire Queen: Yes, but you aren't exactly real. I haven't actually recruited any Warlords. You're just a plot device. A now unneeded plot device, to be exact. Goodbye.
Warlord: No! (the Warlord falls to the floor dead)
Vampire Queen: (turns to another not really real Warlord) Find a way to get those peasants killed!
New Warlord: Yes, my Queen.


Scene III: The Warlord leads the greedy peasant army to the C'tis border.

Peasant: You're not going to start a war just to get us killed, are you? That would be stupid!
Warlord: Just following orders. Come along now.
Peasant: Wait. Because you haven't actually been recruited, we don't have to follow you. You don't have enough leadership!
Warlord: Fine. (goes to the capitol, gets officially recruited, comes back) Ok peasants, time to die.
Peasant: Oh no! He has 50 leadership!


Scene IV: The peasants attack a C'tis province in which there is only 1 PD.

C'tis Commander: What, why are you attacking? We have a border agreement! Treachery! Villains!
Warlord: Hey, calm down. We just need you to kill these peasants for us.
Peasant: Oops, we just failed a bunch of morale checks. Run away!
Warlord: Damnit. Chase after them! Kill them!
C'tis Commander: Hey, you can't order my troops around! Troops, hold your ground!
Warlord: Damnit again. Guess we have to keep paying them.


Scene V: Sadly, the Abysian Empire's finances were not sufficient to finish the production. There is no Scene V.

[Soapyfrog]

Heheh.

Hey anybody know what happened to Nappa?

[PashaDawg]

/threads/images/Graemlins/icon42.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/icon42.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/icon42.gif The Abyssian dealings with HELL are an absolute and unforgivable affront to Virtuous Dominion of Marignon and its subjects. The stench of devilry to our west must be extinguished for the benefit of all. War is hereby declared. We shall bring FREEDOM to the oppressed Abyssian slaves, and their masters and bloodsucking queen-***** shall be cast back into the foul pit from which they arose. /threads/images/Graemlins/icon42.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/icon42.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/icon42.gif

[Soapyfrog]

Sounds bellicose!

[The_Tauren13]

HEY!!! Keep your inquisition to yourself http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[The_Tauren13]

The unbearably haughty Nation of Marignon has made an utterly unprovoked invasion of our privacy, and would even attempt to justify it by scorning our dealings with Hell. Really, Hell isn't that bad. It's just another excuse for the foul inquisitors to continue their unjust would-be crusade into the heart of a peaceful country. To arms, my brothers! Kill them all, and let the Devil sort them out!

[PashaDawg]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif BAH!!! The terrible speed with which you are tearing through our lands is further evidence that you're EVIL and of the righteousness of OUR CAUSE. You will fail. Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy... just YOU WAIT, Buster!! I mean it, man.... yup... you're going DOWN... down in FLAMES!!! FLAMES!!! You HEAR me??? FLAMES!!!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif Um.... no wait... you're immune to flames.... /threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif

[Jurri]

PashaDawg said:
I mean it, man.... yup... you're going DOWN... down in FLAMES!!! FLAMES!!! You HEAR me??? FLAMES!!!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif Um.... no wait... you're immune to flames....


Marignon attacking Abysia... Now who didn't see that one coming? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif Keep up the good fight Pasha! Just don't get burned yourself.

In other news AI Pan seems to spread like the plague through former Man lands with the courageous giants as its herald. At the same time the illustrious armies of Pythium get their asses kicked by a bunch of mages on research duty! I'll get you both yet, just you wait and see!

[Cainehill]

Could we perhaps go to a slightly slower hosting, like 24 hour no quick host at least, or 48 QH? Maybe it's me, but it seems like each morning I check the game with 8 and 9:30 am, and one day there's twelve hours to go, the next day there's 20 minutes, then a stale.

[The_Tauren13]

Ah, but fast games are so much more fun... But maybe that's just because I don't have a life so I spend all my time playing Dominions...

[Soapyfrog]

I think we could move to a 24hour fixed hosting.

It would be a lot easier on me as well.

[Jurri]

I prefer the setting where Caine won't stale. Much more fun that way http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Soapyfrog]

Now set to fixed hosting, 1:00am EST every night.

[The Panther]

Ah, fixed hosting is always a nice thing, as you don't have to check so often if there is a move up or not. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

And Pasha Dawg sure should have known better then to unjustly attack the Spawn of the Panther. He is now receiving his proper reward (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif), just like the other game where he unjustly attacked the Panther himself! /threads/images/Graemlins/icon45.gif

[PashaDawg]

Lies lies lies... I only commence Wars of Justification.

[Soapyfrog]

An Caelum is finally vanquished. DragonFire11 put up a valiant fight.

I was quite lucky on the assault... my one flying unit, a well equipped banelord, managed to draw a large portion of flase horror and ghost wolf summons to himself so my hasted vine ogres were not tied up in the gateway for too long.

He managed to survive the battle, albeit blinded, and acted as a lightning rod as the rest of my army smashed its way into the fort. He was basically saved by the innacuracy of the wither bones cast at him, and of course, sweet sweet life drain. At that point, the advantage swung towards me as my surviving vine ogres and infantry flooded into the fort and slaughtered Caelum's heavily fatigued mages and pretender.

Over all between lightning, orb lightning, wither bones, banish, frozen heart I lost something like 40% of my troops, but thankfully no commanders.

Good game Dragon!!! Sorry about the long build up before the assualt... I was REALLY paranoid after the drubbing you gave me the last time I tried to go in there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[DragonFire11]

Good one Soapy! I wish I had a better showing for you however. Where were my ghost dogs? Last time I had hundreds, and I was depending on them. In retrospect, I should have positioned my troops closer to the front lines. That would have helped. But you deserved the win! Now go forth and slaughter! Did you get any of my goodies?

[Soapyfrog]

Yeah I managed to pick up 4 or 5 items which was a nice bonus. Honestly I am ASTOUNDED I got off that lightly. i was calculating I had a 50/50 shot at best.

[Legacyspy]

I got a message from Pyth "alchemy Alert" What does he mean by that?

[Soapyfrog]

There is a big with the cheat detection code, wherein the cheat detection is triggered when someone uses the alchemist stone.

[Legacyspy]

Okay

[The_Tauren13]

Are we in 2.15 yet?

[Soapyfrog]

Yep and have been since the 5th of January...

[PashaDawg]

So, who's winning?

[Soapyfrog]

Hard to say with no graphs on http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Soapyfrog]

And we are down to three;

Anyone mind if we go back to quickhost?

[The Panther]

Soapyfrog said:
And we are down to three;




Plus one evil AI kicking arse. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

[The_Tauren13]

Quickhost is fine by me...

[Vega]

fine with me too

[Soapyfrog]

What a battle! I am glad I was able to give such good account of myself... but disappointed I was not able to kill even one of your uniques. At least I slaughtered the good part of your devil and longdead troops.

Alas my power is thoroughly broken, for you no doubt it will be mainly a question of mopping up... although I will cause you as much pain as I can http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Atlantis: beware! Abysia is on a roll...

[The_Tauren13]

Yeah that was a fun battle. I lost like 90% of my undeads and devils, but at least I won http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I was surprised by all the Vine Ogres, but I guess because they have so much HP to begin with the disease doesnt hurt them that much. You seem to be at war with the stupid AI as well, though. And Pythium just wont lose his capitol... hes fought off like 10 attacks from Atlantis and Pangaea... So I figured I would try and kill you before Pan finished him off, figuring he would attack me next. Didn't know he was already fighting you.

[Soapyfrog]

you attacked me the turn after I attacked Pangaea... great timing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[The_Tauren13]

Soapyfrog said:
you attacked me the turn after I attacked Pangaea... great timing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


lol, sweet. For me at least http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
So, I assume we are going to have a Randomosity II as this game cant really drag on a whole lot longer. The showdown has begun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I am really enjoying this game, and have the whole way. Hectic, small map fun is right. I didn't even bother making any border agreements at all because I wanted to stay at war the whole game. If that isnt fun, nothing is http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
Also, as you may die soon (I hope Im not getting ahead of myself in saying this http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif), are you going to want to keep hosting the game, or should you just send one of us the fatherland so we can continue on our own?

[Soapyfrog]

I will gladly continue to host, no problem.

[Soapyfrog]

As I hold on by a straw, I wonder, does Atlantis have the capacity to fight Abysia? I think this game will be over quite shortly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[The_Tauren13]

Heh, I can't seem to get that last province of yours... keep losing all my devils.

[Soapyfrog]

From Hell's heart I stab at thee!

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[The_Tauren13]

Ok... had to bust out the big guns. Now just me and you, Vega.

[Soapyfrog]

Yeah there wasnt much I could do against those AQs. Darn.

Good game folks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[The_Tauren13]

Good game soapy, and thanks for hosting. How about that randomosity II (hint hint http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)?

[Vega]

Bring it on, pretzel boy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

I guess it won't be long...

tip to myself, never, ever, take an underwater nation in such map.

[The_Tauren13]

Well, thats it. Good game.

[Vega]

Swift and clean!

When do we start Randomosity II?

[Soapyfrog]

Good question! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif