Fire Plate vs Copper Plate vs...

[tinkthank]

Interesting that Copper Plate gives 100% SR, while the corresponding fire plate only gives 50% -- both for the same gem cost and research level, both with nearly identical stats otherwise (prot, def, enc), although Copper Plate also casts Charge Body. There is no corresponding frost resistance armor. I sort of wish that Copper Plate would be more cumbersome, or cost more, or only give 50% resistance, or require more research. It seems whenever I have a free gem or two, I spam these Copper Plates for just about anyone and everyone -- or maybe I am just stupid.

(I also wonder about the Green Dragon mail. I have never purchased it, although I could see it making sense for Ctis, whose troops already have 50% PR. I don't purchase it because for the same research and cost I can make a Hydra skin armor, which gives 100% PR and regeneration at the cost of some protection. I wouldnt mind if Hyrda Skin would give 50% PR and only 6 protection or something, or more encumberance. Or do you make Green Dragon Armor?)

[Chazar]

Good question! I supposed that the copper plate is there to help against the already pretty impressive lightning spells...

Thinking about it, it actually is nice that lightning protection is either 100% or not at all. While partial fire resistance seems somehow more natural to me...

[Vicious Love]

Why are there clams that turn water to astral, but no limpets that turn astral to water? Why are there no shock resistant transparent dragons? Why is there a 20-gem staff that casts the level 5, 4-path, 1-gem spell Storm, but no 20-gem shoes that cast the level 5, 4-path, 1-gem spell Undead Horde? Why are death and nature boosters so easy to get?

Symmetry is lame and dull. If there isn't some sort of problem with it, why equalize it?

Though I agree Green Dragon armor verges on useless(But is still superior to Hydra Armor under certain circumstances. Rare circumstances).

Also, armor+partial resistance is effective against fire, since only one fire spell is armor negating, whereas only resistance protects against lightning.

[Oversway]

Also, armor+partial resistance is effective against fire, since only one fire spell is armor negating, whereas only resistance protects against lightning.



That is a good point.

Prot 9 vs prot 15 seems like a somewhat significant difference. Hard to say how it balances between regen and extra poison resistance.

[Boron]

Vicious Love said:
Symmetry is lame and dull. If there isn't some sort of problem with it, why equalize it?

Also, armor+partial resistance is effective against fire, since only one fire spell is armor negating, whereas only resistance protects against lightning.


Yeah . Symetry = Chess . Nice but the Starcraft-Balance-Approach is better and more realistic also .

And Firemagic is not as dangerous as Airmagic also so the 50% FR are justified . Furthermore there is the Burning pearl then you have 100% FR and +4 to attack if you use it with the Fire Plate http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Scott Hebert]

Heh.... hehehehehe....

There's nothing like symmetry to make something work well. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

For myself, I see no reason why the Flame Plate couldn't give fire immunity. Most likely, it's not that so much as the Shock Plate does Charge Body, and you do not want that discharging if you can take damage from lightning.

[Saber Cherry]

Fire immunity was taken from Fire Plate because it made the fire resistance ring worthless, for the most part. Fire resistance is fairly easy to get, from various cheap 1H weapons, accessories, a helmet, a shield, and so forth - and as mentioned, fire is only armor-piercing, not armor-negating. Lightning resistance is much harder to get, copper plate gives slightly lower protection, and lightning is armor-negating. 50% lightning resistance is almost useless in many cases where 50% fire resistance is very valuable.

[Scott Hebert]

Couldn't you make the same argument for the Copper Plate, then?

Tokoro de, Saber-san, nihongo hanasemasu ka?

[Saber Cherry]

Nihongo ga chotto heta desu http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Nihonjin to nihongo wa okashii desu... so omoimasu.

But on topic, yes, copper plate renders the ring worthless, in most cases. If the ring gave +1 precision or the plate gave 75% resistance, that might be a different matter...

[alexti]

copper plate gives extra encumbrance, so for the mage ring may be a better choice especially with a rainbow armor which is a better use for armor slot.

[Edi]

As was already said, lightning resistance is much more difficult to get than fire resistance. Besides, want cheap fire resistance, why not use Dragon Helmet? It gives 100% fire resistance, or it should, unless it has been downgraded to partial only, which can make it an attractive choice to free up a miscellaneous or hand slot for something more useful.

If copper plate only gave partial SR, it'd be almost completely worthless.

Edi

[Saber Cherry]

Edi said:Besides, want cheap fire resistance, why not use Dragon Helmet? It gives 100% fire resistance, or it should, unless it has been downgraded to partial only



It's 50% now=) Still, the flame blasts you shoot are very nice, and it gives +1 protection too, at no encumbrance or defence penalty.

[Edi]

Just checked the MIQR, the helmet only gives 50% FR.

Edi

[PvK]

Seems ok to me.

The Copper Plate needs 100% to prevent it from being a suicide device.

Ring of Tamed Lightning is still good for anyone who wants shock protection but better body armor, and there are many better body armors.

PvK