Götterdämmerung- The slaughter has begun

[Boron]

Hubris will host a new 24h quickhost game. In Contrast to our Faerun game we want this time a quick bloodbath http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif.

Settings:
-8 players
-Zen's Items 1.0, Pretender 2.2, Spells 1.8 and Scales 1.2 mods
-50% Magic site frequency
-6 Indep strength

-Map: Desert Eye
-Renaming allowed
-HoF: 15
-Other settings: Standard

The game will probably be for the whole game 24h quickhost and it will be without special victory conditions.

Playerlist:

Hubris - Marignon
Aku - Ctis
Me - Ermor
Ed Kolis - Arco
Hacker Pschorr - Abysia
Cainehill - Pan
Manuk - Machaka
Qm - Atlantis
Copin - Man
Reverend Zombie - Ryleh

We have more then 8 players so we can start the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

Server adress :
ip: 69.231.215.140

port: 2001

[Ed Kolis]

Hmm, I will join... been a while since I played Dom2 though, so do I have to do anything before the game's set up besides state that I want to be Arcoscephale? (Well, that and locate all those mods you're using http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)

[Aku]

You can get all the mods here:

http://www.dominions-2.org/

Click on downloads then scroll down to the section of Zens conceptual balance mods.

[Cainehill]

Not Turin's hero mod?

[Aku]

is it any good cainehill? i dont know any specifics about it

[Ed Kolis]

Thanks!
Ahh yes, all those schools of magic... makes me want to work on that roguelike again... I actually do have a very basic roguelike engine set up in Java right now (not the original C# one), actually - all you can do is run around this empty town level, but it's progressed a lot quicker than the first time I tried such a thing, if that means anything http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[GriffinOfBuerrig]

Heyda,

i also want to join - as Abysa!

Thanks!

PS: Hehe, this time with a server nearby:)

[Hubris]

Hey guys, I'm shy so I had Boron do the post. Thanks B!

[Manuk]

Want to join as machaka

[Hubris]

Also, hate to break it to you Gryphon, but I'm in California... not exactly close.

[Cainehill]

Aku said:
is it any good cainehill? i dont know any specifics about it



We tried it in the weekend blitzes, and I think everyone wound up with quite a favorable impression of it. It makes it so that any hero you receive, you're happy to get, where before 80-90% of them (all the ones with no mage ability) were almost completely useless.

They all have some noticeably more hit points, typically somewhat better stats, often a special ability or two, and possibly an extra miscellaneous magic item slot. Now they're useful, whereas without the mod, let's face it....

You get the berserking Vanheim hero - if you don't put items on him, he dies in the first battle or two. If you do some decent items on him - he dies within five battles or so, usually losing the items for you.

Now : Farbaute has 22 HPs and 18 protection, enough to be used against independents at least. Arcos' Pathos Son of Titans now has Awe 2, 25 HPs, 25 protection and 15 strength. Seems like most of the melee heroes are now able to function as mini-thugs to one extent or another.

Gives another reason to consider Luck instead of Misfortune, and makes it worthwhile to try and keep the heroes alive, while still actually using them.

[Cainehill]

And incidentally - I could use another game, so I'll claim Pangaea.

[quantum_mechani]

I will take Atlantis.

[Aku]

ip: 69.231.215.140

port: 2001

ill tell boron to change title of post when i see him online tomorrow to full and uploading pretenders and to post the ip info in the beginning post

[PashaDawg]

Good luck with the game. I already have my fingers in too many for now.

[Copin]

i'll take man, im a newbie if thats alright...

[Copin]

also don't know how to install the mods http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

im good now i got them installed

[Cainehill]

Oops - thought it was a different map, I might not take Pangaea, but I will have a pretender up tomorrow.

[Hubris]

Someone clicked Start Game... looks like you'll have to upload your pretenders again. Sorry about that.

[HackerPschorr]

Hi,

I'll play instead of my brother Griffin.Abysia

Hacker Pschorr

[Reverend Zombie]

I would like to play R'lyeh, please.

[Hubris]

Well, now that we're up to 11 people, I'm no longer feeling like I'll even have TIME to do anything with Ulm, so I'm gonna switch to Marignon.

Also, this is my first time hosting, so if you have ANY trouble connecting, let me know ASAP.

[Ed Kolis]

OK, how do I know when the game's officially started? When I log in is the display different?

[Cainehill]

When it's been started, it won't show the vertical list of open / human nations.

Though Hubris might want to put the, mmm, "--nostart" flag or some such on, to keep someone from accidentally starting it too soon.

In as Pangaea - 11 nations, well, Boron did call it a bloodbath. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Cainehill]

So - not using Turin's Hero mod (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=358700&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)?

[YellowCactus]

I'd like to play with the mod. Eh...oh well.
-Yc

[Cainehill]

Madre di dios, is there some problem with y'all uploading your pretenders in a timely fashion if you're going to say you want to join the game?

[Copin]

yeah, im a noob and im in there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Boron]

YC had to drop because of time constraints. So we are now "only" 10 players. Should still be a carnage http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Copin]

if i close the game, but have uploaded my pretender, will i still be able to play?

[Hubris]

You're fine Copin. I haven't submitted my pretender yet, but we're still short two. Could Machaka (Manuk) and Atlantis (QM) please upload their pretenders?

[Hubris]

Also, thanks for the info on the --nostart flag, but since it's already up and I've got 8 in, I think I'll take my chances.

[Cainehill]

Oh - before you kick the game off, you might want to copy all the pretender files (the .2h files) and save them. That way if someone didn't use the right mod or whatnot, the game can be restarted without waiting for everyone to re-upload - you'd be able to copy the originals back and only the ones that had problems need to upload again.

[Copin]

im thinkin manuk is awol, lol

[Manuk]

Pretender Uploaded

[Ed Kolis]

So, who is going to be the brave soul who clicks "Start Game"? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Copin]

lol not me, i already did it accidently when we weren't ready.

[Hubris]

Starting it right now. First turn will be open ended, after that it'll be 24h quickhost.

[Manuk]

Er.. it didnt auto-host

[Copin]

probably cause he said first turn is open ended, he'll have to log on and do the quickhost

[Hubris]

Yeah, here we go. 24 hour turns. One of you experts, what's the command that I can type in to have it host and then set to 24h quickhost?

[HackerPschorr]

Next turn is up.

[quantum_mechani]

sigh, got that good-good-scales-canceled-out-at-your-capital bug. After taking full growth, order and prod. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Cainehill]

How come that never happens with the bad scales? I mean - my Carrion Wood scales never get zeroed out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Hubris]

Someone care to elaborate on that bug? I've had similar problems.

[Cainehill]

Simply that sometimes, on the first turn, what was Order-3 becomes Order-0, etc. I don't think it happens with Heat, Luck, or Magic, but I'm not sure. (Heat varies with seasons anyway though.)

[Manuk]

quantum_mechani said:
sigh, got that good-good-scales-canceled-out-at-your-capital bug. After taking full growth, order and prod. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif



That´s ok. It´s because the game detected you are a good player and we need the handicap. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Hubris]

69.231.229.183

I apoligze guys, I lost power today, which means I got leased another IP. So there it is. I hope everyone realizes to check here. Also, I restarted the 24h timer in case.

[Ed Kolis]

... And you guys might want to log in and play your turns again just in case; I found that a lot of my orders had been deleted! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

[Cainehill]

A new month has passed, with Man's faith slumbering.

[Copin]

yeah i can't log in, new ip won't allow me to log in either

[Boron]

Copin said:
yeah i can't log in, new ip won't allow me to log in either


It worked fine for me. Have you typed it with the numpad? This causes sometimes troubles http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Cainehill]

Yeah - best thing to do really is to create a batch file, shell script, or shortcut that'll automatically feed the IP address and port for whichever game. Don't have to worry about typos (since you can cut and paste into the command line, unlike the game's interface) and it's all set for all your games then.

[Manuk]

couldnt connect. is the server on?

[Cainehill]

As it says on this page - the server IP changed to 69.231.229.183 and you only have 7 minutes to get in there.

[Aku]

i can connect to the server fine, i just tested it

[Manuk]

Acro thought it was a good opportunity to attack me while i couldnt connect. Good that he had lost that battle.

[Ed Kolis]

Sorry... didn't mean to cheat or anything; I just wasn't keeping track of who was playing what nation :embarrassed:

[Manuk]

ok. no problem

[Hubris]

New IP = 69.231.230.120

Guess what. Router decided to reboot. Hopefully this is not going to be a recurring issue. Just remember to look for my last post if you're unable to connect though. I'll be prompt about posting the new IP. And the port will always be 2001.

[Manuk]

Did my turn but couldnt save it to the server that looks to be down again. Can it be changed to 48h?
I dont want to stall anymore.

[Cainehill]

Did you try the new IP that he just posted? It worked fine for me.

[Copin]

time to get my *** kicked thoroughly
lol, but i'd rather attack first then be attacked

[Manuk]

yes i did

[Manuk]

69.231.230.120
port 2001
couldnt connect now.
I think im loosing chance now. You might aswell turn me AI.

[Hubris]

I really have to apologize for this guys. I'm having serious issues with my internet company. Hopefully this will be the last screwup in a while, but I can't really promise anything. Again, I can only promise that I'll update the IP here ASAP.

69.231.247.131

P.S. If this is too much, and you guys want to cancel the game, I understand. I never realized how bad this could be.

[Ed Kolis]

Couldn't you use a dynamic DNS service like www.dyndns.org (http://www.dyndns.org) and direct us to whatever hostname you set up?

[Aku]

Manuk just connect and turn yourself AI.

[Hubris]

That is an excellent idea Ed. I just signed up for dyndns. For those of you who don't want to keep editing the IP, I'll now be reachable at hubrisrakarth.game-server.org, port 2001

[Ed Kolis]

Hmm, it's not working...
"The Dominions server or your connection to the internet might be down. Also make sure you entered the correct ip-address (204.251.15.174) and port number (2001)."

Here's my command line:
dom2 --tcpclient --ipadr hubrisrakarth.game-server.org --port 2001

It works just fine with the IP address you supplied (which does NOT begin with a 204)... doesn't Dom2 support hostnames, or do you really have to put in the actual IP address? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif Or did you just mistype your hostname? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Aku]

I tried it also and it didnt work but doing that command line for the actual ip works.

[Hubris]

Hmm, yes I did. I mistyped the dns...

::sheepish:: I was tired this morning!

hubrisrakarth.game-host.org:2001

[Aku]

i tested it and it works

[Ed Kolis]

It works! Yay! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Boron]

Hubris forgot the master password so we can't turn Machaka into AI but Hubris will always forcehost if only Machaka is left.

[Ed Kolis]

So does this mean no attacking Machaka???

[Cainehill]

Any reason Manuk can't turn Machaka AI himself, or give his password to someone to do it for him?

Edit : Someone is already all over Machaka like white on rice, but I've set the nation to AI myself.

[Hubris]

Ok, so, putting Senor Kolis idea to work, I got the dyndns thing working quite well. Here's the full command line, just copy it into your shortcut's command line:

[...]\dom2.exe --tcpclient --ipadr hubrisrakarth.game-host.org --port 2001

where [...] is the path structure leading to your dom2 file.

After tomorrow I'm not going to post IP updates here, I'll just fix the dns every time. If anyone can't get this to work, let me know.

[quantum_mechani]

Hubris said:
If anyone can't get this to work, let me know.

I can't connect.

[Aku]

It lets me connect. I use this command line.

"C:\Program Files\dominions2\dom2.exe" --tcpclient --ipadr hubrisrakarth.game-host.org --port 2001"

[quantum_mechani]

Aku said:
It lets me connect. I use this command line.

"C:\Program Files\dominions2\dom2.exe" --tcpclient --ipadr hubrisrakarth.game-host.org --port 2001"

Ah, thanks, turns out I misstyped. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Aku]

new turn!

[Cainehill]

And another.

[Aku]

and another lol

[Aku]

new turn

[Aku]

and another new turn

[Aku]

and another...is that 3 in one day again?

[Aku]

comon cainehill you were logged in and now you are not

do your turn so we can get another turn in for the day!

[Aku]

another turn

does that make it the 4th for today!

[Cainehill]

Sorry, but just because I check the turn doesn't mean I immediately had the time open to do mine. (Especially considering that when I connected, several nations hadn't gone yet.)

In any case - is this now four turns in a single day? (New one just ran.)

[Aku]

new turn for the day

[Cainehill]

And another, and the evil evil oppressors of C'tis continue to be driven back.

[Cainehill]

Another new turn is up.

[GriffinOfBuerrig]

I also want to be in a game which is that fast http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Boron]

New turn.

[Cainehill]

Um - according to the first post in the thread, you _were_ in this one, as Abyssia?

[Aku]

yeah then if hes not abysia then who is?

[GriffinOfBuerrig]

HackerPschorr said:
Hi,

I'll play instead of my brother Griffin.Abysia

Hacker Pschorr



My brother playes for me^^

[Aku]

it hosted

[Aku]

new turn.

[Boron]

@ Ed Kolis:
I can't break your upper castle and for your capitol i have not sufficient forces to win the storming attempt or at least i think so.
So i am trying an alternate strat and aim at a dominionkill.

Sorry for the boring game this provides for you. You can either try to break the siege or turn ai. I think it will take another 5 turns until you will be probably get dominionkilled.
Hopefully you still enjoyed the game and are not annoyed too much by my careful playstyle http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Hubris]

I'm probably going to have to take the server down today. My gf and I just broke up, and I am moving out, wihch means no internet access until I get the computer set up at my new place. I apologize for the inconvenience. It should be back up and running tomorrow night at the latest, and I'll put it on 72 hour quickhost until 1 turn is generated.

[Ed Kolis]

@Boron: Eh, don't worry... I still have magic research to play around with so I won't be all that bored... next turn I may get something interesting researched http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

edit: oh, and to Hubris, sorry to hear about the breakup http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Ed Kolis]

Is it just me or is the server still down?

[Aku]

Server is still down.

I talked to Hubris and things are taking longer than he expected to get things settled.

[Ed Kolis]

OK, no problem. Just checking in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Ed Kolis]

Any news?

[Aku]

ill ask hubris when i see him online on what is the status of bringing it back up

[Hubris]

Okay! After much unnecessary diplomacy, Gotterdamerung is back up! I'm gonna do my turn and then let everyone theirs before I put it back on 24h quickhost. Sorry again for the delay.

[Ed Kolis]

Happy days and jubilation! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Hubris]

Right, continue with your regularly scheduled Ermor/Abysia bashing.

[Boron]

Is the game down?

Hubris said:
Right, continue with your regularly scheduled Ermor/Abysia bashing.


Should we understand that as a formal declaration of war http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Ed Kolis]

Yeah, looks like it's down again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Aku]

yay hubris is online now and is rebooting the game!

[Hubris]

Boron said:
Is the game down?

Hubris said:
Right, continue with your regularly scheduled Ermor/Abysia bashing.


Should we understand that as a formal declaration of war http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif



I dunno, I thought the temples that you agreed not to build were a formal declaration of war. Educate me.

[Hubris]

Oh, and uh... first off, man, this has got to be the most accident prone game ever. The only thing I can say is that I'm doing the best I can...

So uh... apparently my new connection is not stable enough to maintain a single IP address. It switches without even telling anyone. Good to know... now...

But this causes a problem. Since I don't know when it goes down, I can easily check and fix the URL once or twice a day, but not all the time. Which means it's unfair to have any time limit on the turns.

If there's one thing I will say about this game, it seems to be a VERY good game, and we have one of the most dedicated crowds I've ever seen. So I'm going to leave it on quickhost for now, and just trust everyone to do their turns. Also, this is all my contact information, so if it does go down, you can get in touch with me without me having to check these forums.

AIM: Uberd00d2
MSN: hrakarth@hotmail.com
email: hubris@ucla.edu (or hrakarth@hotmail.com)

[The Panther]

PBEM is the way to go if you want to maintain solid game stability and easily recover from problems.

[Cainehill]

New turn.

[Cainehill]

Server seems downn here also

[Ed Kolis]

Me too...

[Aku]

waiting for hubris to come off away to tell him server is down but i left him a message in the meantime

[Hubris]

fixed...

[Boron]

Did my turn, so new turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Ed Kolis]

Well, I'm out... good game guys http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Cainehill]

Alas, poor Arco - he wasn't one of these undead pesterheads plaguing peaceful Pangaea. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

New Turn.

[Hubris]

Ip fixed. log in

[Cainehill]

New Turn.

[Hubris]

Taking down the server for about 10 minutes for maintenance.

[Boron]

Its down again.

[Cainehill]

Server is up again, but quick hosting is off, so no new turn despite all players having gone.

[Aku]

I left Hubris a msg on msn to turn on quickhost.

[Cainehill]

New turn is up.

[Cainehill]

And, server seems to be down. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Aku]

Hubris told me the server will be back up in a few hours. He is in process of moving the computer to a house he is house sitting.

[Hubris]

It's up

[Cainehill]

Bah! Where are Boron and Hacker!

[Boron]

Cainehill said:

Bah! Where are Boron and Hacker!


Boron was playing MTG the whole day http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Hubris]

I concede to Boron. Setting myself AI.

[Aku]

if abysia concedes also we should call the game an end with boron the winner

[Cainehill]

Something is just _wrong_ when the strongest anti-ermor nation in the game goes AI because Ermor is winning.

Especially after that nation decided to screw around with attacking another nation that hadn't done anything to them, just before going AI.

Personally, because of Hubris and Aku's actions towards peaceful Pangaea, I was, am, looking forward to kicking their tails - I'm not ready to concede anything.

[archaeolept]

I'm looking to sub in some game, due to dominions II jonesing, if either of you would be willing. I promise to at least try and make a go of it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Cainehill]

Hopefully Hubris hasn't already gone AI, "conceding" to Ermor when he has his pretender sitting on Pangaea's capitol, when he had enough fire gems to set off a Flames From the Sky on that capitol, instead of going after Ermor.

[archaeolept]

if the turn hasn't hosted he can still reconnect and redo his turn; ie., not go AI. or Hubris, if either are interested.

[Hubris]

Oh Cainehill, spare me the posturing.

[Boron]

I am the last player but if i do my turn then Marignon is AI.
So i have to wait with my turn until we decide what to do that Marignon has still the possibility to cancel his turning into AI.

So far i have not damaged Marignon severely, he still has a Fireking SC and lots of Provinces.
Abysia is not severely damaged yet neither, i killed one of his ADs, but thanks to lots of mages/priests and purgatory i didn't advance deep in his territory yet neihter.

So if Archeo would take over Marignon i am positive that he would still find means to at least annoy me greatly and maybe even have a chance. I think that i am in a good position to win the game but it is not yet over.

I am fine with either way and will accept what the majority choses.
So we can end the game right now and declare me winner or continue it with Archeo as marignon and fight it out till the end.

Edit: The server is now down http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif.

[archaeolept]

well, i'll check after i get back from work - I can be pmed on these forums, or contacted @gmail.com

[Hubris]

I took the server down to keep you from doing your turn Boron, lol. I cancelled my AI order, and archaeo is welcome to take over. If it's all right with him I may log in occasionally and just see how it's going/what he's doing. PMing him the pwd and shtuff.

[Cainehill]

Boron, stop playing MTG and take yer turn!

[archaeolept]

ok, got password - but i need the server up to do my turn

BORON DO NOT CONNECT UNTIL I POST THAT MY TURN IS DONE PLEASE

(I have to shout because he is very far away ;p)

[Aku]

i can connect to the server just fine

[archaeolept]

i'm using Server adress :
ip: 69.231.215.140

port: 2001

is it something different?

ok got the address from boron, but he was marked as connected when i joined...

Ok submitted a turn. There wasn't much to do... ;p

and is there a list of what mods are being used?

[Cainehill]

Boron (Ermor) has been staying connected (according to the server display) but isn't bothering to do his turns since he discovered MtG, not here and not in the anonymous game. "Burn him! He looks like a witch!"

Mods, unless I'm mistaken, are all latest versions of Zen's mods, as done by Zen. No hero mod, no Retribution mod.

[Boron]

Cainehill said:
Boron (Ermor) has been staying connected (according to the server display) but isn't bothering to do his turns since he discovered MtG, not here and not in the anonymous game. "Burn him! He looks like a witch!"

Mods, unless I'm mistaken, are all latest versions of Zen's mods, as done by Zen. No hero mod, no Retribution mod.


Archeo and Hubris asked me to wait until Archeo posts an ok in the Forum.
So don't ***** around http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif.

[Boron]

New turn is up.

[archaeolept]

heh, sorry, but there's not going to be much I can do to slow down Boron. Even if everyone allies, it'll be hard to slow him. we need c'tis's death mages on the front line against this scourge.

[Aku]

Sorry Arch,

Caine refused peace. So I will fight Caine until he is dead. Caine didnt like the idea of everyone fighting Boron.

Also I dont know wtf Caine is smoking by giving Hubris such a hard time about wanting to give up the game to Boron when he was the only one with a chance against Boron and now hes going to be dead in the next few turns.

[Cainehill]

Excuse me? You had the gall to propose "peace" the same turn you had taken another province from me. Don't know wtf you were smoking, rather like assaulting someone, taking their wallet, and the very next moment saying, "Hey, peace, let's call it even-steven now."

No way in hell I was going to ally with someone who that very turn had stolen a province from me. If I got the province back, maybe : but when I took the province back, you launched another full scale invasion.

And it's ludicrous you two saying, OMG, Boron is going to win, right after at least one of you had been contacting Boron to get him to help you by attacking me. So now Marignon is going down, because the two of you started attacking me instead of Ermor, and all my lovely death mages are going to have to cast wither bones on your skeletal snakes instead of Ermor's hordes. Very very clever of y'all.

[Aku]

This province you speak of was bordering my capital. No way in hell am I going to have peace with you and let you have a province bordering my capital. You then refused peace and that is the reason of this so called invasion.

So Caine go ahead and cast your wither bones on me instead of Boron. Even if that army dies I have another one 3 times as large waiting to go out.

Since you want Boron to win so badly I will grant you that as your death wish. I will make no attempt to stop Boron at all. In fact I will help him win the game after I raze your capital to the ground.

And about Maringon attacking you. Who knows why. Maybe he wanted to kill your miserable empire that refused to aid in the fight against Boron. You refused to aid against Boron so its either you are for him or against him and you obviously chose to be on the side of Boron since you want him to win so badly.

[Hubris]

Ok, I'm going to part from my usual rule of silence about stuff like this. The reason I attacked you, Cainehill, is because, honestly, your empire was pathetic. I walked through a fort, took some money from you, and then proceded to kill 3 of Boron's temples to your south (that being the only reason you haven't domdied yet, btw). However, being a newbie myself, I forgot that Boron's land produce no supply. So after killing those two temples, most of that army had diseases. Furthermore, since Boron had back attacked my fort, I couldn't double move to it. The only adjacent province that had any supplies was your capital. And, since I didn't know whether your troops were patrolling or not, I used Fires from the sky to make it a little safer. Last thing I need is lots of chaff eating all my arrows...

I never really cared to attack you Caine, you just happened to be in the way, and you threatened a province that I very much needed. In fact, threatening that province delayed my attack on Boron 6 turns.

In case you're delusional, you're really being an *** about all of this. I think archaeo would be ready to back me up on this: the game was over when I stopped playing. There isn't even a learning experience left. All there is is you and your self-absorbed, masochistic bull.

If you really want to continue this game, I'll be happy to send you the files so you can play with yourself.

[Cainehill]

Aku said:
This province you speak of was bordering my capital. No way in hell am I going to have peace with you and let you have a province bordering my capital. You then refused peace and that is the reason of this so called invasion.



A province you hadn't taken in ... 55 turns, while you'd already had time and troops enough to attack me previously - you remember, when about 20 mages and your prophet died?


Since you want Boron to win so badly I will grant you that as your death wish. I will make no attempt to stop Boron at all. In fact I will help him win the game after I raze your capital to the ground.



FOAD. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif



And about Maringon attacking you. Who knows why. Maybe he wanted to kill your miserable empire that refused to aid in the fight against Boron. You refused to aid against Boron so its either you are for him or against him and you obviously chose to be on the side of Boron since you want him to win so badly.



Nice misrepresentation - you a politician? I didn't refuse to aid in the fight against Boron - I refused to ally with you while you'd been stealing my provinces. Marignon never contacted me to ask for aid - not for supply items, not for armies, nada.

And if it hadn't been for your incessant attacks, I would've been attacking Ermor. If it hadn't been for your attacks I wouldn't have had such a "miserable / pathetic empire" that Marignon decided to also attack.

And frankly, for having just 2-3 provinces, my nation is actually pretty buff, what with ... 28 nature gems a turn coming in, and the research and casters to make large upkeep free armies, and hordes of lamia queens.

No, the both of you decided that my nation would be no more than a speed bump, something that you could gobble up, and in failing to do so, the two of you blew your chance of actually doing something against Ermor.

Side note : Hubris, whether or not you blew through those two temples my dominion wasn't going away anytime too soon; where my pretender / prophet are my dominion was quite secure, thank you very much, and I would've dealt with those temples myself if I hadn't had to keep countering the two of you - just as I'm ready to take them out (which wouldn't have left _my_ armies disease ridden and dying) I'd keep getting another honking huge army on one of my citadels.

[Hubris]

Well, I made the claim about you being delusional in a sarcastic mocking way, but it appears I was dead on.

Oh, and, for anyone who is actually interested in this drama, if you want to talk about what happened, or any of that crap, please feel free to PM me. But I'm not going to get into a he-said-she-said with stuffy britches just because he takes a [censored] and calls it gold.

[Aku]

Caine maybe it would help if you used your fingers to count. I only attacked you with one army that no where near had 20 mages because most were in my capital researching. It was more like 5 mages with my prophet maybe 6.

This Caine is my 2nd army...that is two fingers.

Also if you havent noticed I was fighting Abysia for a while as well as your pathetic empire. The fight with Abysia actually occupied me for quite a while where I did no attacks on you. Havent you wondered why my 2nd attempt on you is coming so drastically late?

Also you made no attempt at trying negotiations with me. You flat out rejected peace with no ifs ands or buts. There was no chance to even negotiate with you since you are so thick headed thinking you are god of the world. My interpretation of your rejection was telling me to go F myself, I dont care if Boron wins.

Next time get out of your little box and think globally how the game should be handled instead of petty little issues in your I r uber attitude.

[Cainehill]

'scuse me, but I think you were the person who should have attempted "negotiations" - I made it clear that I wasn't going to ally with you when you'd just taken provinces from me. Did you negotiate "You can have those provinces back" or anything? Errr... No.

And frankly, to some extent I didn't care if Boron wins - I wasn't going to win, in part due to you, but also because I took Carrion Wood scales and left the Carrion out of the Woods. So, being the vengeful type, my attitude was that Boron (at the time) hadn't given me injury or offense - you had. So guess who I'm interested in going after?

If I had even a slim chance of winning, I'd have played with more of a mind towards keeping Boron from winning. But as I didn't, revenge was the only goal I could reasonably pursue with some expectation of success.

Understand now?

If you want to try to beat Ermor instead of simply continuing to try and maul me, fine : get off my fortress without storming, and we can see whether or not 3 nations all with strong anti-Ermor capabilities can push him back.

Otherwise, well - doesn't really matter that much to me one way or the other, as I've been playing this out to do some experimentation (and because I didn't care to go AI just because I screwed up with my pretender design).

[archaeolept]

hmm, well, i'm not sure i was looking to joining in on an end game flamefest http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

really, there's nothing I can realistically do to slow down boron's hordes - marignon is a goner. If you guys declare peace, go to status quo ante bellum, w/ I guess the original province by aku's capital for aku, i'll send caine the hammer of the forge lord and I'll send aku something, though I don't really have anything else http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

but w/out a unified front, any pretense of repulsing boron is laughable - though I don't know how strong abysia is, I guess.

Hey, abysia - every 20 fire gems you send me will buy you a flames from the sky on boron's massive armies...

[Ed Kolis]

I am glad my empire is dead... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Boron]

I am going to progress this way:
Raiding my foes down to 3-4 Provinces, slowly decimating the remaining strongholds with ghost riders/ashen angels/earth attacks.
Then aiming at dominionkill.
If someone makes a fault and moves one of his SC isolated or such then i teleport in my tartarians.

I see no need to risk them yet though because i am rather positive that my raid/dominionkill strategy will probably work anyways. This may take a while though, like 10-15 turns.

[archaeolept]

lol, there's only one thing I can say, and I'll try to put this gently - all of you sure f*cked up (other than Boron of course). Boron could go AI and still win. Hell, Boron could try to lose, and as long as he doesn't actively destroy his own temples, he'd still win. Everyone is looking at dominion kill soon enough.

[Boron]

Game is down.

[Boron]

Game is still down. I didn't see Hubris online the last 2 days. Aku said he seems to have trouble with his ISP.

[PashaDawg]

Gosh - - - everyone seems to be having computer problems.

[Aku]

I talked to Hubris briefly last night before he went down again. For some reason everything he does takes up to 99% cpu power and he said even trillian takes 50%. He has been trying to fix it.