Vietnam Specific OOBs

[thatguy96]

-- DISLAIMER: All versions of this mod contains highly altered or additional files that may or will cause interference with the master game files and it is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED that this mod be installed and played ONLY in a separate copy of the game and NOT run from the master game. --

I have been messing around with various OOBs in order to create more accurate units and formations (no scenarios) for various players in South East Asia from about 1946-1975. I realize that Laurent has also been working on a seperate pack and I am in no way trying to steal his thunder (I'm sure his pack will probably be better than mine). I am just curious really to see what people think of what I've been working on.

Attached is the folder with the detail file about what units are new, what units were modified, and what formations were added or modified. I'll also post that here in this thread.

-OOB 06 (France)

Modified Units:

New Units:
949 Mosquito FB VI

New/Modified Formations:

-OOB 12 (US Army)

Modified Units:
118 AH-1G Cobra
277 OH-13 Sioux XM1
278 OH-23 Raven XM1
279 OH-6A XM27
291 OH-6A XM8
301 OH-58A XM8
557 L-16 G-Hopper
563 AC-47 Gunship
905 ACH-47A Chinook

New Units:
652 Gun Truck
653 Gun Truck
654 Gun Truck
655 Gun Truck
670 Gun Truck
671 Gun Truck
672 Gun Truck
677 M706E2 Commando
678 M706E2 Commando
685 M706 Commando
686 M706 Commando
687 M706 Commando
688 M706 Commando
689 M706 Commando
770 Special Forces
771 Specail Forces
772 Special Forces
824 AC-130A Spectre
825 AC-130E Spectre
826 AC-119G Shadow
827 AC-119K Stinger
856 QU-22B Pv Eagle
857 O-1A Bird Dog
858 O-1E Bird Dog
859 O-2A Skymaster
860 OV-1A Mohawk
861 OV-1D Mohawk
875 FC-47 Spooky
876 NC-123K
877 FC-47 Spooky
886 JOV-1A Mohawk
887 JOV-1A Mohawk
888 JOV-1C Mohawk
889 JOV-1C Mohawk
891 AH-1G Cobra
892 UH-1B Maxwell
893 UH-1D Nighthawk
894 UH-1D Nighthawk
897 UH-1M XM21
898 UH-1M Hvy Hog
899 UH-1C Frog
901 UH-1C Hvy Hog
902 UH-1C XM21
903 UH-1M INFANT
904 OH-23 Raven M2

New/Modified Formations:
427 Convoy Escort
428 Cnvy Escort Grp
744 A-Detachment
745 B-Detachment
746 C-Detachment

-OOB 13 (USMC)

Modified Units:
113 (Unit Removed)
117 UH-1E TK-2
157 (Unit Removed)
172 (Unit Removed)
173 (Unit Removed)
192 (Unit Removed)
193 (Unit Removed)
250 OV-10A Bronco
251 L-16 G-Hopper
252 (Unit Removed)
253 OV-10D Bronco
326 (Unit Removed)
522 OV-10A Bronco
570 AC-47 Spooky
917 (Unit Removed)
918 (Unit Removed)
945 OV-10A Bronco
952 OV-10A Bronco
953 OV-10D Bronco
954 OV-10A Bronco
955 OV-10A Bronco
956 OV-10A Bronco

New Units:
504 UH-1M XM21
505 UH-1B Gunship
506 UH-1C XM21
507 UH-1B Gunship
508 UH-1E TK2/TAT
514 NC-123K
515 OP-2E Neptune
516 AP-2H Neptune
517 AP-2H Neptune
627 AC-119G Shadow
628 AC-119K Stinger
629 YOV-10D NOGS
630 FC-47 Spooky
631 FC-47 Spooky
632 AC-130H Spectre
942 O-1B Bird Dog
943 O-1C Bird Dog
944 O-2A Skymaster
958 UH-1L Iroquois
959 HH-1K Iroquois

New/Modified Formations:
116 (Formation Removed)
117 (Formation Removed)
276 Sealords
277 Seawolves
278 COIN Bombers

-OOB 15 (Australia)

Modified Units:
441 UH-1H Huey
442 UH-1B Iroquois
455 UH-1 Bushranger

New Units:
453 UH-1 Bushranger
454 UH-1 Bushranger

New/Modified Formations:

-OOB 24 (ARVN)

Modified Units:

New Units:
156 V100 Commando
157 V100 Commando
158 V100 Commando
330 US Army JOV-1A
331 US Army JOV-1A
332 US Army JOV-1C
333 US Army JOV-1C
424 US Advisors
425 US Advisors
426 US Advisors
428 MIKE Force
429 MIKE Force
430 MIKE Force
431 MIKE Force
432 MIKE Force
434 HU-1B Gunship
435 HU-1A Gunship
436 CH-21 Shawnee
437 CH-21+ Shawnee

New/Modified Formations:
152 UTTHCO Spt Pl
153 UTTHCO Lift Pl
360 Advisors
361 Advisory Group
362 MIKE Force Plt
363 MIKE Force Co

[thatguy96]

Here's a new version. New additions are marked as such

-OOB 06 (France)

Modified Units:
163 A-26 Invader (New Change)
164 A-26 Invader (New Change)
956 A-26 Invader (New Change)
982 A-26 Invader (New Change)

New Units:
711 T30 75mm HMC (New)
947 P-63 Kingcobra (New)
948 Nakajima Ki-43 (New)
949 Mosquito FB VI

New/Modified Formations:

-OOB 12 (US Army)

Modified Units:
118 AH-1G Cobra
152 A-26 Invader (New Change)
153 A-26B Invader (New Change)
154 B-26K Invader (New Change)
277 OH-13 Sioux XM1
278 OH-23 Raven XM1
279 OH-6A XM27
291 OH-6A XM8
301 OH-58A XM8
557 L-16 G-Hopper
563 AC-47 Gunship
806 M151A1C Mutt (New Change)
854 A-26 Invader (New Change)
864 A-26B Invader (New Change)
865 B-26K Invader (New Change)
880 A-26B Invader (New Change)
881 B-26K Invader (New Change)
905 ACH-47A Chinook

New Units:
652 Gun Truck
653 Gun Truck
654 Gun Truck
655 Gun Truck
670 Gun Truck
671 Gun Truck (New Change)
672 APC Type GT (New Change)
673 APC Type GT (New Change)
677 M706E2 Commando
678 M706E2 Commando
685 M706 Commando
686 M706 Commando
687 M706 Commando
688 M706 Commando
689 M706 Commando
770 Special Forces
771 Specail Forces
772 Special Forces
824 AC-130A Spectre
825 AC-130E Spectre
826 AC-119G Shadow
827 AC-119K Stinger
851 F-4D Phantom II (New)
852 F-4C Phantom II (New)
856 QU-22B Pv Eagle
857 O-1A Bird Dog
858 O-1E Bird Dog
859 O-2A Skymaster
860 OV-1A Mohawk
861 OV-1D Mohawk
875 FC-47 Spooky
876 NC-123K
877 FC-47 Spooky
886 JOV-1A Mohawk
887 JOV-1A Mohawk
888 JOV-1C Mohawk
889 JOV-1C Mohawk
891 AH-1G Cobra
892 UH-1B Maxwell
893 UH-1D Nighthawk
894 UH-1D Nighthawk
897 UH-1M XM21
898 UH-1M Hvy Hog
899 UH-1C Frog
901 UH-1C Hvy Hog
902 UH-1C XM21
903 UH-1M INFANT
904 OH-23 Raven M2

New/Modified Formations:
426 MP Sec Vehicles (New)
427 Convoy Escort
428 Cnvy Escort Grp
744 A-Detachment
745 B-Detachment
746 C-Detachment

-OOB 13 (USMC)

Modified Units:
045 M151A1C Mutt (New Change)
105 UH-34 Stinger (New Change)
106 SH-2G Seasprite (New Change)
107 SH-2G Seasprite (New Change)
109 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
113 (Unit Removed)
117 UH-1E TK-2
157 (Unit Removed)
158 Sikorsky CH-19E (New Change)
171 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
172 (Unit Removed)
173 (Unit Removed)
174 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
192 (Unit Removed)
193 (Unit Removed)
216 A-26A Invader (New Change)
222 A-26A Invader (New Change)
235 HUS-1 Seahorse (New Change)
250 OV-10A Bronco
251 L-16 G-Hopper
252 (Unit Removed)
253 OV-10D Bronco
258 UH-34D Seahorse (New Change)
320 UH-1Y Huey (New Change)
321 UH-1Y Huey (New Change)
322 UH-1Y Huey (New Change)
323 UH-1Y Huey (New Change)
326 (Unit Removed)
522 OV-10A Bronco
570 AC-47 Spooky
902 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
917 (Unit Removed)
918 (Unit Removed)
945 OV-10A Bronco
952 OV-10A Bronco
953 OV-10D Bronco
954 OV-10A Bronco
955 OV-10A Bronco
956 OV-10A Bronco

New Units:
317 UH-1N Huey (New)
326 UH-1N Huey (New)
504 UH-1M XM21
505 UH-1B Gunship
506 UH-1C XM21
507 UH-1B Gunship
508 UH-1E TK2/TAT
514 NC-123K
515 OP-2E Neptune
516 AP-2H Neptune
517 AP-2H Neptune
627 AC-119G Shadow
628 AC-119K Stinger
629 YOV-10D NOGS
630 FC-47 Spooky
631 FC-47 Spooky
632 AC-130H Spectre
942 O-1B Bird Dog
943 O-1C Bird Dog
944 O-2A Skymaster
958 UH-1L Iroquois
959 OH-13 Sioux (New)
960 HO3S-1 DFly (New)
961 UH-2C Seasprite (New)
962 SH-2F Seasprite (New)
963 HH-2C Seasprite (New)
964 SH-2F Seasprite (New)
965 UH-1N Huey (New)
966 UH-1N Huey (New)
967 UH-1N Huey (New)
968 SH-2F Seasprite (New)

New/Modified Formations:
045 2 Helo Gunships (New Change)
115 Lt Attack Helos (New Change)
158 1 Helicopter (New Change)
159 2 Helicopters (New Change)
160 3 Helicopters (New Change)
274 2 Helo Gunships (New Change)
277 Seawolves
278 COIN Bombers

-OOB 15 (Australia)

Modified Units:
441 UH-1H Huey
442 UH-1B Iroquois
455 UH-1 Bushranger

New Units:
453 UH-1 Bushranger
454 UH-1 Bushranger

New/Modified Formations:

-OOB 24 (ARVN)

Modified Units:
150 V100 Commando (New Change)
155 V100 Commando (New Change)
320 B-26K Invader (New Change)
340 B-26K Invader (New Change)
341 B-26K Invader (New Change)
383 (Unit Removed) (New Change)

New Units:
156 V100 Commando
157 V100 Commando
158 V100 Commando
330 US Army JOV-1A
331 US Army JOV-1A
332 US Army JOV-1C
333 US Army JOV-1C
424 US Advisors
425 US Advisors
426 US Advisors
428 MIKE Force
429 MIKE Force
430 MIKE Force
431 MIKE Force
432 MIKE Force
434 HU-1B Gunship
435 HU-1A Gunship
436 CH-21 Shawnee
437 CH-21+ Shawnee
439 RB-26C Invader (New)
440 B-26B Invader (New)

New/Modified Formations:
152 UTTHCO Spt Pl
153 UTTHCO Lift Pl
360 Advisors
361 Advisory Group
362 MIKE Force Plt
363 MIKE Force Co

-OOB 58 (Cambodia) ALL NEW!

Modified Units:
160 A-1D Skyraider
161 A-1D Skyraider
163 A-37B Dragonfly
164 A-37B Dragonfly
447 UH-1G Gunship
545 M-S 500 Criquet
547 O-1A Bird Dog

New Units:
628 AC-47
629 Fairchild C-123

New/Modified Formations:
163 Gunship
164 (Formation Removed)

[thatguy96]

If anyone cares to respond, I'm curious as to whether or not anyone who's downloaded these OOBs has any feedback.

[Warhero]

Great job dude;). Hmm I wonder whatever happened to Laurent and his Viet War Pack... It could be cool if your OOBs would have as many formations/equipment as Viet War Pack had;)!

[thatguy96]

Yeah, Laurent's pack was a total conversion for the game, and because of this included far more than what I have. I have personally thought recently about turning either Green or Red into Laos, and using the UN for "independant" mercenaries/CIA/Air America/etc.

As it stands now, I don't think I have near as much information as Laurent does, and really my OOB are just designed to fill in units from the period into existing OOBs for more accurate engagements. I was not initially looking to make the OOBs so comprehensive that you couldn't really play WinSPMBT for any other time period without switching back to the default OOBs.

I'm actually thinking about releasing another update to this, but I'm holding off to see if I can get some people to do new icons so I can include those too.

[Warhero]

Btw, do US have Ontos in your OOB? I didn't noticed it (at least yest)...

[thatguy96]

Ontos are in the default OOBs, I haven't changed them. They're units 042 and 044 in the USMC OOB.

[Warhero]

Ok. Thanks about tip.

[thatguy96]

Alright, new release, and I'm adding some notes at the bottom that people might want to read. Also, I've been in contact with some members of these boards trying to collect custom icons to hopefully add more of a visual flavor to all of this as well.

-OOB 06 (France)

Modified Units:
063 Coventry Mk I (New Change)
163 B-26B Invader (New Change-Name Only)
164 B-26B Invader (New Change-Name Only)
222 AAC.1 Toucan (New Change-Name Only)
521 Morane 500 (New Change-Icon Only)
956 B-26B Invader (New Change-Name Only)
982 B-26C Invader (New Change-Name Only)

New Units:
711 T30 75mm HMC (New Change)
712 Type 94 Te-Ke (New)
713 Type 89 Yi-Go (New)
714 Type 95 Ha-Go (New)
715 Chenillette (New)
716 Obusier M8 HMC (New)
717 M8 Greyhound (New)
718 M3 Scout Car (New)
719 Humber Sct (T) (New)
912 Curtiss C-46 (New)
913 Douglas C-47 (New)
914 Fairchild C-119 (New)
915 Fairchild C-119 (New)
941 PB4Y2 Privateer (New)
942 RB-26C Invader (New)
943 AU-1 Corsair (New)
944 AU-1 Corsair (New)
945 AU-1 Corsair (New)
946 F6F-5 Hellcat (New)
947 P-63C Kingcobra (New Change)
948 Nakajima Ki-43
949 Mosquito FB VI
983 PB4Y2 Privateer (New)
984 PB4Y2 Privateer (New)

New/Modified Formations:
638 Cambodian ArCom (Cambodian Armored Commando/Commando blinde du Cambodge; New)
639 7/1er RMSM Pl (New)
640 RICM Rec Sqdrn (New)
642 Civil Air Trans (New)

-OOB 12 (US Army)

Modified Units:
118 AH-1G Cobra
152 A-26 Invader
153 A-26B Invader
154 B-26K Invader
277 OH-13 Sioux XM1
278 OH-23 Raven XM1
279 OH-6A XM27
284 OH-6A Cayuse (New Change)
291 OH-6A XM8
301 OH-58A XM8
557 L-16 G-Hopper (New Change)
563 AC-47 Spooky
806 M151A1C Mutt
854 A-26 Invader
864 A-26B Invader
865 B-26K Invader
880 A-26B Invader
881 B-26K Invader
905 ACH-47A Chinook

New Units:
652 Gun Truck
653 Gun Truck
654 Gun Truck
655 Gun Truck
670 Gun Truck
671 Gun Truck
672 APC Type GT
673 APC Type GT
677 M706E2 Commando
678 M706E2 Commando
685 M706 Commando
686 M706 Commando
687 M706 Commando
688 M706 Commando
689 M706 Commando
770 Special Forces
771 Specail Forces
772 Special Forces
817 O-1D Bird Dog (New)
824 AC-130A Spectre
825 AC-130E Spectre
826 AC-119G Shadow
827 AC-119K Stinger
851 F-4D Phantom II
852 F-4C Phantom II
856 QU-22B Pv Eagle
857 L-19A Bird Dog (New Change)
858 L-19E Bird Dog (New Change)
859 O-2A Skymaster
860 OV-1A Mohawk (New Change)
861 OV-1D Mohawk (New Change)
875 FC-47 Spooky (New Change)
876 NC-123K
877 FC-47 Spooky (New Change)
886 JOV-1A Mohawk (New Change)
887 JOV-1A Mohawk (New Change)
888 JOV-1C Mohawk (New Change)
889 JOV-1C Mohawk (New Change)
891 AH-1G Cobra
892 UH-1B Maxwell
893 UH-1D Nighthawk
894 UH-1D Nighthawk
897 UH-1M M21 (New Change-Name Only)
898 UH-1M Hvy Hog
899 UH-1C Frog
901 UH-1C Hvy Hog
902 UH-1C XM21
903 UH-1M INFANT
904 OH-23 Raven M2

New/Modified Formations:
426 MP Sec Vehicles
427 Convoy Escort
428 Cnvy Escort Grp
744 A-Detachment
745 B-Detachment
746 C-Detachment

-OOB 13 (USMC)

Modified Units:
045 M151A1C Mutt
105 UH-34 Stinger
106 SH-2G Seasprite
107 SH-2G Seasprite
109 (Unit Removed)
113 UH-2A Seasprite
117 UH-1E TK-2
118 AH-1J Sea Cobra (New Change)
120 AH-1T Sea Cobra (New Change)
157 (Unit Removed)
158 Sikorsky CH-19E
171 (Unit Removed)
172 (Unit Removed)
173 (Unit Removed)
174 (Unit Removed)
192 (Unit Removed)
193 (Unit Removed)
216 A-26A Invader
222 A-26A Invader
235 HUS-1 Seahorse
250 OV-10A Bronco
251 L-16 G-Hopper (New Change)
252 (Unit Removed)
253 OV-10D Bronco
258 UH-34D Seahorse
320 UH-1Y Huey
321 UH-1Y Huey
322 UH-1Y Huey
323 UH-1Y Huey
326 (Unit Removed)
522 OV-10A Bronco
570 AC-47 Spooky (New Change)
620 B-26K Invader
621 B-26K Invader
902 (Unit Removed)
917 (Unit Removed)
918 (Unit Removed)
945 OV-10A Bronco
952 OV-10A Bronco
953 OV-10D Bronco
954 OV-10A Bronco
955 OV-10A Bronco
956 OV-10A Bronco

New Units:
317 UH-1N Huey
326 UH-1N Huey
474 YRBM (New)
499 UH-1B M16 (New)
504 UH-1M M21 (New Change)
505 UH-1B Gunship (New Change)
506 UH-1C XM21 (New Change)
507 UH-1B Gunship (New Change)
508 UH-1E TK2/TAT
509 UH-1B Gunship (New Change)
514 NC-123K
515 OP-2E Neptune (New Change)
516 AP-2H Neptune
517 AP-2H Neptune (New Change)
627 AC-119G Shadow
628 AC-119K Stinger
629 YOV-10D NOGS
630 FC-47 Spooky (New Change)
631 FC-47 Spooky (New Change)
632 AC-130H Spectre
846 LST (MRF) (New)
847 LFR (New)
848 LSSC (New)
849 MSSC (New)
850 MSSC (New)
851 HSSC (New)
935 O-2C Bird Dog (New)
942 OE-1 Bird Dog (New Change)
943 OE-2 Bird Dog (New Change)
944 O-2A Skymaster
958 UH-1L Iroquois
959 OH-13 Sioux
960 HO3S-1 DFly
961 UH-2C Seasprite
962 SH-2F Seasprite
963 HH-2C Seasprite
964 SH-2F Seasprite
965 UH-1N Huey
966 UH-1N Huey (New Change-Icon Only)
967 UH-1N Huey (New Change-Icon Only)
968 SH-2F Seasprite
970 AH-1G Cobra (New)
971 AH-1G Cobra (New)

New/Modified Formations:
045 2 Helo Gunships
115 Lt Attack Helos
158 1 Helicopter
159 2 Helicopters
160 3 Helicopters
274 2 Helo Gunships
277 Seawolves
278 COIN Bombers
294 Inshore Fire Sp (New)

-OOB 15 (Australia)

Modified Units:
441 UH-1H Huey
442 UH-1B Iroquois
455 UH-1 Bushranger

New Units:
453 UH-1 Bushranger
454 UH-1 Bushranger
605 Command Element (New)
606 Command Element (New)
613 RAR SUpport Sec (New)
614 RAR Support Sec (New)
615 RAR Support Sec (New)
616 RAR Rifle Sec (New)
617 RAR Rifle Sec (New)
618 RAR Rifle Sec (New)
619 RAR Rifle Sec (New)
620 RAR Rifle Sec (New)
621 RAR Rifle Sec (New)
622 RAR RIfle Sec (New)

New/Modified Formations:
205 RAR RIfle Pl VN (New)
206 RAR Co VN (+) (New Change)
207 RAR Co VN (+) (New)
208 RAR Co VN (New)

-OOB 24 (ARVN)

Modified Units:
085 H-19 (New Change-Name Only)
086 H-34 (New Change)
088 UH-1H- (New Change)
089 UH-1H (New Change)
090 UH-1H+ (New Change)
099 UH-1H Gunship (New Change-Name Only)
100 UH-1H Gunship (New Change-Name Only)
150 V100 Commando
155 V100 Commando
292 Lockheed C-130 (New Change)
294 MS.500 (New Change-Icon Only)
303 F8F Beatcat (New Change)
305 AT-28 Trojan (New Change)
306 AT-28 Trojan (New Change)
307 A-1H Skyraider (New Change)
308 A-1H Skyraider (New change)
309 A-1H Skyraider (New Change)
311 F-5A (New Change)
315 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
320 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
322 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
323 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
325 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
326 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
328 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
339 A-1H Skyraider (New Change)
340 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
341 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
383 (Unit Removed)

New Units:
156 V100 Commando
157 V100 Commando
158 V100 Commando
237 M113/81mm Mtr (New)
293 Fairchild C-123
319 A-37B Dragonfly (New)
320 A-37B Dragonfly (New)
321 A-37B Dragonfly (New)
330 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
331 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
332 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
333 (Unit Removed) (New Change)
340 F-5A (New)
341 F-5A (New)
342 F-5A (New)
343 A-37B Dragonfly (New)
424 US Advisors (New Change)
425 US Advisors (New Change)
426 US Advisors (New Change)
428 A-1H Skyraider (New)
429 A-1H Skyraider (New)
430 A-1E Skyraider (New)
431 A-1H Skyraider (New)
432 (Unit Removed)
433 UH-1B Iroquois (New)
434 UH-1B Gunship (New Change)
435 UH-1A Gunship (New CHange)
436 CH-21 Shawnee
437 CH-21+ Shawnee
439 RB-26C Invader (New Change)
440 B-26B Invader (New Change)
441 T-28B Trojan (New)
442 T-28B Trojan (New)
443 T-28B Trojan (New)
445 MIKE Force Sqd (New)
446 MIKE Force Sqd (New)
447 MIKE Force RT (New)
448 MIKE FOrce RT (New)

New/Modified Formations:
043 Mech Supt Pl (New Change)
115 Air Support (New Change)
116 Level Bombers (New Change)
117 "Panicked" AS (New)
218 UTTHCO Spt Pl (New Change)
219 UTTHCO Hvy Lift (New Change)
220 UTTHCO Lift Pl (New)
221 Eagle Flight (New)
222 Farm Gate (New)
223 Kingbee (New)
360 Advisors
361 Advisory Group
362 MIKE Force Plt (New Change)
363 MIKE Force RP (New)
364 MIKE Force Co (New)

-OOB 54 (Thailand)

Modified Units:
376 AU23 Peacemaker

New Units:
303 SB2C-5Helldiver (New)
361 L-19E Bird Dog (New)
362 L-19A Bird Dog (New)
582 Unity Team (New)
583 Unity Inf-AT (New)
594 UH-1M XM21 (New)

New/Modified Formations:
418 White Horse (New)
419 Unity Platoon (New)
420 Unity Platoon- (New)

-OOB 58 (Cambodia)

Modified Units:
049 M3 Halftrack (New Change-Name Only)
160 A-1D Skyraider
161 A-1D Skyraider
163 A-37B Dragonfly
164 A-37B Dragonfly
272 M113/81 (New Change-Name Only)
447 UH-1G Gunship
545 M-S 500 Criquet
547 O-1A Bird Dog

New Units:
048 M3 (6x4) (New)
269 M106 (New)
281 M113 / 106 RCL (New)
494 M3 (6x4) (New)
628 AC-47 (New Change)
629 Fairchild C-123
629 AC-47 (New)

New/Modified Formations:
163 Gunship
164 (Formation Removed)

NOTES (In order of how they relate from top to bottom)

1: Cambodian Armored Commando in French OOB. While this may really belong in the Cambodian OOB, given the fact that the ad hoc unit was largely under French control until the end of the French period in Indochina led me to stick it into the French OOB. It may end up in the Cambodian OOB later.

2: Civil Air Transport in French OOB. This was essentially a predecessor to Air America, and is in the French OOB because of their participation in the last stages of the French period. If I get my act together and create a sort of CIA/Merc OOB, then it'll end up there.

3: Unit 817, O-1D Bird Dog, in the US Army OOB has the minimal load capacity for a ammo container, is modeled as an aircraft set up for supply drops, and if one wishes to remain realistic, should not be used for any other purpose.

4: New rivercraft have been added to the USMC OOB, the YRBM was created first and is therefore away from the rest of the new ones. This is a two part note. The YRBM and LST (MRF) (or Mobile Riverine Force) represent vessels that were used as mobile bases essentially. Both vessels had helipads. The arbitrary weight of the helicopters created to represent the Seawolves of HA(L)-3 have been dropped to allow them to "land" on these vessels. Of course this also allows them to be carried by any vehicle with a great enough capacity. Remember that this was only done for the benefit of these two vessels (well the YRBM is more of a barge).

5: Unit 935, O-1C Bird Dog, in the USMC OOB is the same deal as the O-1D in the US Army OOB mentioned in Note 3.

6: ARVN formation 117, "Panicked AS" is supposed to represent an Air Strike gone awry because of a fear of heavy AAA, something that was known to happen in the latter portions of the conflict.

7: ARVN formation 221 "Eagle Flight" represents US supported ARVN air mobile operations during the advisory period. Because of the inability to seperate it any further, the H-34 is also available as a helicopter. As a realism note, it should be mentioned that the H-34 was not used for such operations.

8: ARVN formation 222 "Farm Gate" represents air strikes carried out by USAF aircraft under Operation Farm Gate, which put the aircraft in VNAF colors though not under the control of the South Vietnamese Air Force. While this might belong better in the US Army OOB or in a seperate "USAF" OOB to be created, it seemed reasonable to put it in the ARVN one for the time being.

9: ARVN formation 223 "Kingbee" represents the operations of the 83rd SOG of the VNAF, which supported clandestine US operations in Laos and Cambodia. When the unit was reassigned as the 200-something-th Helicopter Squadron it switched over to using UH-1H helicopters, because this is after the introduction of UH-1Hs to the VNAF as a whole, as a realism note it should be mentioned that one can buy Kingbee UH-1Hs before this is historically correct.

10: Cambodian "M3 (6x4)"s are supposed to represent conversions of US M3 halftracks to 6-wheeled trucks, the concensus being that the resulting vehicle was only 6x4. I forgot, however, to change the speed, so as it stands now the only difference is in the movement type. The speed will be changed in the next release.

Of course feel free to ask other questions as well.

[Warhero]

Great stuff thatguy;). Very good detailed OOBs anyway. I suppose that Cambodia OOB is meant for US "allied" side, right? Sorry but I have bit "loss" of information about Cambodia's role in Vietnam war;)...

[thatguy96]

Well Cambodia has a complicated history from Neutralist Prince Sihanouk to General Lon Nol to the Khmer Rouge to the North Vietnamese invasion. What this means is that you have interesting things like T-28s shooting down VNAF aircraft (only one instance) and later MiG-17s with their guns replaced with .50 caliber M2s because of a shortage of replacement parts and ammunitions for the aircrafts original cannons.

There are a number of instances that are similar to what happened in the immediate aftermath of the unification of Vietnam where the new Vietnamese airforce has a combination of US and Russian/Chinese types and operated all US types on a sort of ad hoc basis until spares and weapons ran out, then dropping the type. Note that under unified Vietnamese control during the invasion of Cambodia, large numbers of F-5s, A-37s, and UH-1s were used because they were available and capable. Its a complex history.

[MarkSheppard]

An idea I'm playing around with:

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6284/revetments5pz.gif

Aircraft Revetments. Take a bunker and give it 10-20 cm of armor on the sides and rear, but no frontal or top armor.

Zero carry capacity.

Only useable in scenarios, really, because to accurately depict the importance of the aircraft inside, you have to edit the scenario yourself and re-cost the units.

[thatguy96]

That's a really cool idea. I'm not much of a scenario designer, but there are a number of units I've created that might well serve a purpose only in a constructed scenario.

[narwan]

Looks nice those aircraft revetments, but what about when the 'bunker' gets destroyed? Then the revetments would 'disappear'. So how many crew do you give it as crew losses will likely be the biggest problem in keeping the revetments intact when facing small arms and mortar fire?

Narwan

[MarkSheppard]

Looks nice those aircraft revetments, but what about when the 'bunker' gets destroyed? Then the revetments would 'disappear'.

Uh, Bunkers don't disappear, they get a burning plume of smoke or a mashed up wreckage icon.

So how many crew do you give it as crew losses will likely be the biggest problem in keeping the revetments intact when facing small arms and mortar fire?

Perhaps 3 (to represent crew chiefs and maintenance people caught in near their aircraft and hiding); the entire point is not to make the uber invunerable to small arms or mortar fire; if you emptied a M-16 into a F-16 or an 81mm mortar hit near an F-16, the plane is pretty much going to be inoperable without major work, barring an act of God in which all the bullets and mortar fragments miss important bits.

[thatguy96]

Since I just added in special operations C-130s for tactical air drops (and a seperate formation for them and the previously included O-1 "transports"), I was curious if anyone would be interested in creating a Fulton STARS C-130 "helicopter" for scenarios or just to mess around with? I'm not much of a scenario person, but this wouldn't be too hard, but realism would be slightly lacking if the mission didn't involve just using it to extract a single unit and then escaping off the map. Basically I would take the existing C-130E(I) I created and turn it into a helicopter with 1 carry. The resulting unit would likely only be useful in scenarios. Just messing around with some ideas and trying to implement them, and thought I'd just put it out there.

Also, the next release does away with all the National Gaurd units and formations in the US Army OOB to free up space. This will be noted, but I'll just put it out there that if you're playing scenarios, battles, or campaigns using these units it'll likely screw them up.

[thatguy96]

Another update. The next release will feature psyops systems. A number of liberties have been taken with such systems. I found that I could create varying degrees of suppression with weapons with extreme accuracy but no other weapon stats above zero. Now I'm sure people will debate about the effect of such weapons on troops, I feel that tweaking the accuracy ratings might allow for the routing of troops of poor morale and otherwise suppressing units of higher morale. Of course units fitted with Psyops weapons will all feature X3 radio codes for human scenario inclusion or gameplay only, and I just thought this would be fun to mess around with.

[thatguy96]

Here are the current readmes just to see whether people see things that need changing or intriuge them. Its supposed to be a teaser of sorts, but I can never gauge how many people actually download or use these.

[thatguy96]

And the new Total Conversion Addendum. Previously, only the US Army Obat was changed dramatically from its previous incarnation. Now, the additional Obats planned for this addition allow even greater flexibility and space, at the cost of existing OOBs. Check the readme for further details and ask me questions if you're still confused.

[Warhero]

Hey when are you going to release next version? Those lists seem to be great IMO. Keep up good work.

[thatguy96]

Well I could probably release the basic Ver3 immediately, but I'm waiting on PlasmaKrab who's been nice enough to volunteer his assistance in getting together an icon pack to go along with this (this will also include the icons that were created for Laurent Touchard's pack, who was nice enough to send me them for my own use as well). I had released the last version as a sort of hold over until I could get this graphic enhancement incorporated. I'd rather not release another version until then. I'd hope that he would be done by the end of August at the latest, but who knows, people have lives outside of Steel Panthers which have a direct effect on things.

The Total conversion, which is right now just the additional "USAF" Obat is something that might stay in the pipeline for longer. My plan to allow it to overlay over the existing pack means that I could easily keep working on it in the background before releasing any version of it. I got the idea from Laurent Touchard who had set his pack up similarly (but much more in depth). We'll see how far I get by the time I'm ready to release Ver3, but its even more ambitious than what I've got going now.

[Warhero]

Sounds good. How about new sounds (like Laurent's mod had)? Heh if someone could convert ALL Laurent's stuff into WinMBT;)... I mean, all those tribe/special forces/other allies (South Korea etc,). And zillion formations of course:)!

It would be blast!

[thatguy96]

I have all of Laurent's unfinished work. I never talked to him about the sounds, but as I've been unable to contact him recently, I've been trying to shy away from using large chunks of it. The icons I had recieved seperately, with the implications that since they weren't his he had no right to hold them for himself.

The sound I really need is a relevant one for the loudspeakers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Warhero]

Any news about next version? And is Laurent going to improve his/your files any way in future? I mean it could be blast to see all Viet War Pack stuff in WinMBT:P... Especially those great plane icons/oobs/sounds!

[thatguy96]

Actually Laurent is back (at least with me via Email) and he's more enthusiastic about getting his project done that I've seen him in the last couple of months. He was essentially out of commission for personal reasons over the summer, but there's more hope than when the summer started that his pack might well be finished.

I've been doing some work on and off, but my first year back in school for my masters has started and needless to say I've become quite busy.

I suggest reading the thread over here (http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43306), where I had posted the last set of readme files. I've done some work since those were posted too though.

[thatguy96]

I have a question. Would people want a release of the basic pack or would they rather wait until more of the Total Conversion is complete to go along with it?

Go here for more info: http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43306

[Warhero]

Do you mean that you will release only oobs (for example) and rest later? I have nothing against it at all;)... I suppose that you don't have any new icons (which need new oobs)? Viet War Pack is great mod (only reason I still have old dos version on my HD)and it would be great to get into WinMBT too...

[thatguy96]

I've responded to your question in the other thread on the SZO forum.

[thatguy96]

Attached is the release of The Vietnam Specific OOB Project V3. This is the Basic pack, and is designed to mesh relatively well with existing scenarios and saved games. Those playing as either the US Army or as the ARVN might experience some issues.

Most important, back up icons and possibly text before overwriting and copying from the zip. The easiest way to install this pack is to:

1) Extract into the Custom OOBs folder

2) Move the graphics folder, picture folder, and text folder into the Game Data folder. Just hit yes to all, and copy over all the files.

Another note, the text file has a folder called "Text for VSP ONLY." At the moment you'll want to copy this over as well into the main text file. This will only matter once the Total Conversion Pack is released.

Certain units and formations changed positions when moved or applied to the new OOBs in the Total Conversion, so certain text files point to the wrong units in that case. Don't worry about this now, text will be provided with the Total Conversion Pack that will overwrite these and correct it. The distinction and seperation is really only provided for when the two packs are installed together and some people want to install just the VSP. They will need the proper text files in this case.

Otherwise the basics are as follows, and you can consult the included readme for the specifics:

- Over 200 new units and 100 new formations across 9 OOBs

- A largely overhauled ARVN OOB now including a variety of paramilitary forces.

- Just over 100 new icons thanks to Plasmakrab (first and foremost), Mark Shepard and Laurent Touchard (who supplied me with his and did some of the work I believe)

- New formation and encyclopedia text

- A detailed Readme with documentation of the changes since the last release (v2.7) and a near complete bibliography of my sources of information

With all that I hope you enjoy it. Feedback, as always, is appreciated.

Thanks, Joe "Thatguy" Trevithick

[Warhero]

Great stuff Joe! Especially ARVN oob. Can't wait to get Total Conversion:)... I suppose that you will add Laurent's sounds into that too? And how about scens/campaigns?

[thatguy96]

I was hoping at a certain point to add some sounds I could find on my own. I still want to create some for the speaker systems, because the machine gun sound if a poor substitute.

On the matter of scens or campaigns, I'm not very good at them. I'm sure I could learn, but its not a strong suit of mine. I'm more than willing to assist anyone who wants to build them off the pack and needs specific units or formation or whatever. Anyone who wants to add them to the pack would be properly credited as well.

[Warhero]

Well scens/campaigns are not necessary IMHO... But couple good Vietnam maps could be nice to get;). I know that WinMBT had some maps but couple (even bigger size than those)more isn't bad thing...

[Warhero]

Hey Thatguy, any updates anout your mod?

[thatguy96]

This thread over at the SZO has the most recent news: http://www.xtreme-gamer.com/forums/winsp-graphic-oob-mods/43306-vietnam-specific-obat-project-3.html#post818260

[Warhero]

Hmm good list. When you are going to release it?

[thatguy96]

As I said in the other thread, I'm mostly waiting on the patch, to see what changes. Things like the Light Helicopter class getting the FO ability have the possibility of mucking with existing changes and will have to be accounted for.

[Warhero]

OK. Good to know. Thanks about info.

[Warhero]

FYI:hey, v.3 will be here for d/l tuesday;)!

[thatguy96]

Yeah, and I've got class all day. I'm sure it'll take me a week of free time at least to properly adjust what I have to the patch. Figure more time if my life continues to be as crazy as it always is hehe.

[thatguy96]

Yeah, so after looking at the new OOBs, I think I'm just gonna keep my ARVN ones as is, make the changes to the rest of the non-US OOBs (French, Australia, USA, USMC, etc), but the OOBs I've been working on from scratch should be okay (costs and unit class issues will of course have to be addressed).

[thatguy96]

Attached is the Basic pack done for V3 with some already planned additions. Release is in two parts, copy OOBs (Part I) to a custom OOB folder, and then back up and copy the graphics, text and pictures folders (Part II) to the right places.

Work on the Total Conversion continues, but I have no ETA on when I'll feel ready for an initial release.

[thatguy96]

And Part II

[Warhero]

Thanks. Hmm everything seems to be ok but did you noticed that in US OOB almost every UH-copters have wrong icon? Some has Abrams, some has Bradley... And I copied new icons into Graphics folder... What's wrong?

[thatguy96]

That's odd, I rechecked, and found two units that I had still failed to change, but I unzipped Part I on my end and it was fine. I also dled the one I put up here and it's working fine on my end. Anyone else having this problem?

Also, here is the revised OOB12 with the remaining two helo's fixed on my end. Warhero, would it be possible to go into MOBHack and look at the icon numbers for the units in question?

[Warhero]

Yesterday I noticed couple of UH's (sorry I don't remember their unit numbers anymore...) which I tried to change into right icons with Mobhack. But there are still something for fixing:

USA:
UNIT: ICON #:
118 2527
279 2529
291 2529
292 2527
891 2528
893 2540
894 2540
897 2531
898 2534
901 2534
902 2531

USMC:
UNIT: ICON #:
504 2531
506 2531
970 2527
971 2527

AUSTRALIA:
UNIT: ICON #:
453 2531
454 2535
455 2535

THAILAND:
UNIT: ICON #:
594 2531

[thatguy96]

That's odd, in the OOB's I have those are all fixed. Its the 2600 block instead of the 2500 block now, and in my OOBs this is what it says. You can fix this yourself by simply changing 25 to 26 for the time being, but when I get a chance I'll look back over it.

Is it any different in the new OOB12 I posted? Weird. Could you be installing an older set of OOBs? This would explain it as well (I myself got very confused at some points now that I have over a half-dozen versions on my comp.

[Warhero]

Ok I installed your new oob there and now all US copters are ok;)! But those other oobs have wrong icon (as seen above)... Could you fix them?

[thatguy96]

I'll check them when I get home, not sure when that'll be today, but this won't take long. I'll definitely do it ASAP, and then rezip Part I.

I'm also going to dl the pack again and check the OOBs again, because I swear, the problem's you're having are not showing up when I dl the OOBs I posted here. I'm just curious as to how this is happening.

[Warhero]

It's mystery for me too because I have not earlier versions of your oobs in my custom oob-folder... Somehow corrupted files perhaps?

[thatguy96]

Alright, I updated the .zip. If its still not working let me know, and then I'll just have to suggest manually changing the numbers on your end. Its correct for me. Of course let me know if there is an issue still, because I'll try to figure out what it is, but my previous suggestion might end up being all I can offer. Its weird.

[Warhero]

Did you attached them here? Where? Your latest US oob is ok now but others (which I mentioned)?

[thatguy96]

I updated the original post.

[Warhero]

Thank you very muchhttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif! Now everything is OK! All copters are shown there as they should be!

And now back to jungle:P... Charlie is waiting. And smell of napalm in the morning...

[Warhero]

Great job btw. Hmm how about South Korean oob in next version?

[thatguy96]

The South Korean OOB is actually pretty good, not to mention the South Korean mission did not really involve any non-standard formations. I think the only thing that's really missing are the ACAV-style M113 conversions that both the Tiger and Capital Divisions both created for their vehicles. I could always update the icons though heh.

Note, the stuff forwarded to me by Laurent Touchard also had no modified SK OOB included.

[Warhero]

Ok. Just thinking all allied nations (in this case SK)... How much Philippines sent troops into Vietnam? Any sense to make oob?

[thatguy96]

That might be something to investigate. Technically the so-called Free World Armed Forces in Vietnam included:

The United States
Australia
South Korea
The Philippines
Republic of China (Taiwan)
Thailand

I just don't have all that much information on the Philippines or the ROC contributions beyond what's in the CMH monograph: http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/Vietnam/allied/

Laurent Touchard's conversion had a Philippine OOB and an updated ROC one IIRC, and I might see how much I can take from there. The ROC one could easily be modified and added to the standard pack, the Philippine one would require a totally new OOB and be more suited to the planned Total Conversion, along, hopefully, with some sort of Lao OOB (again I just don't personally have the info at my disposal right now).

[thatguy96]

Alright, so I figured I'd mention it here too. The total conversion now has a pretty basic Philippine OOB (then again the force they sent was pretty basic), and a more or less complete Lao OOB.

Currently features in the Total Conversion (including those updated from the basic pack):

Army of the Republic of Vietnam
Australia
Cambodia
France
Laos (Royal Lao Government and Neutralists)
MACV/CIA/Etc
People's Army of Vietnam
Philippines
South Korea
Thailand
US Air Force
US Army
US Marine Corp
US Navy
Viet Cong

[Warhero]

Hmm any hint when you are going to release total conversion mod?

[thatguy96]

When its done...unfortunately http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[thatguy96]

For those of you who are interested, I've just released an Alpha of the Total Conversion here: http://www.gamesquad.com/forums/winsp-graphic-oob-mods/65635-vietnam-total-conversion-pack-alpha.html

[Warhero]

I played couple of battles and I'm impressed how good you got Laurent's stuff (well at least part of it;)) to work in WinMBT too. Not any bad errors (well, I'm not checked all oob's than USMC/US Army and VC yet). Hmm was M60 Patton really used in Vietnam? Or just "here and there" (small amounts)? I remember that M48 and Bulldog were most used tanks there...

[thatguy96]

The tank history might have to be reworked a little. I haven't done much on it, and what I have done was more in the USMC OOB.

Note that the M60A1 was first introduced into the US Army in the early 1960s, but you are correct in that none were actually deployed to South East Asia. IIRC, they were all deployed to Europe to help counter the threat of Soviet Armor, while the armor threat in South East Asia required far less attention.

[PlasmaKrab]

Just add the early M-60 variants in the same unit class as the other earlier tanks (like the M-48) and give them an X3 radio code.
That will prevent them from being all over the place when the IA buys units, but they will be available for scenario design etc.
If you have already tinkered with the unit information tags (I haven't yet), you can add a little something saying that "the M-60s were mainly deployed to CONUS and Europe due the higher Soviet armoured threat, etc., but could have been shipped to SEA at short notice to counter an unexpected NVA armored push" or whatever. Not that it makes much sense now that I write it, but hey, it gives you a reason to keep it on board.

[thatguy96]

I'll definitly note this issue for future releases. There are also enough MBT clones to actually create VN tank formations completely seperate.

[Warhero]

And how about role of M103A1 Heavy Tank (in USMC oob)? Any used in Vietnam? And which oobs/units have B-52? I didn't found any (or am I blind;))?

[thatguy96]

All USAF aircraft are contained in the new USAF OOB (formerly the UN OOB, #80). Use the allies tab to switch over to the UN OOB to purchase aircraft, C/SAR helos, special operations units (including Igloo White sensor drops), and Security Police.

The numbers of the other OOBs are contained in the Readme file. Only the MACV/SOG/CIA OOB has a new flag at present though (skull and bones).

Yeah, the tank stuff appears to warrant some clarification for sure. As an interesting FYI, while no M103 tanks were deployed, the USMC deployed M51 recovery vehicles to Vietnam, which were based on the M103 and designed specifically to recover that tank.

[Warhero]

Ok I must check UN oob bit carefully;)... And what comes to M103, was it used in Vietnam anytime? Or just that recovery vehicle?

[Warhero]

Any update?

[cbreedon]

thatguy96 said:
For those of you who are interested, I've just released an Alpha of the Total Conversion here: http://www.xtreme-gamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65635



The link isn't working. Anyone have a copy?

[thatguy96]

Fixed the link. Should be working now. The forums that I posted it on have moved twice heh.

[thatguy96]

Alright, so as always the patch has caused an immediate setback in order to bring everything up to code. Last time I stalled on doing this for some time, and I'm not sure when my life will allow for it. The largest amount of work would likely go into trying to find files with space for the icons (though the new hovercraft icons are really cool!), but with things like the new hovercraft class I might want to look over various other issues before any future release.

Basically, there's logistical work to be done before any future release, and I'm not sure when it'll get done.

[thatguy96]

For those of you who are interested, I've posted a new replacement Lao OOB, with picklist, over at the GS Forum's thread linked to above. No readme is included, but this will be the new standard for the next Alpha release of the whole total conversion pack.

Feedback is always appreciated.

[Warhero]

Are you going to release next Alpha this weekend/next week?

[thatguy96]

Not sure, but I got up the energy to do the picklist for the Lao OOB (and added some new units to make it more functional), so I saw no reason not to release that as it was basically the same.

Still not sure about picklists for the USN, USAF, and MACV/SOG OOBs either. They really don't have enough units to make that work. The Lao OOB can basically stand on its own as Red now, from 1/46 until 5/75. At some point in the future I might fix it to then become the Communist Lao OOB from 6/75 until 12/120.

[thatguy96]

Just a little update on my actual situation, my laptop LCD is kaput and going back to Dell today. They say It'll be back in 8 working days, but we'll see heh.

So basically, work is stalled at this point because of physical hardware issues. However, I'd say its probably safe to expect something end of July-beginning of August.

[thatguy96]

A new version of the Vietnam Specific OOB Pack is available here. No longer includes the USA and USMC OOBs (Now in the Total Conversion Pack only), but does include a modified S. Korean OOB and a further revised Thai OOB.

http://www.gamesquad.com/forums/showthread.php?p=886652#post886652

A new version of the Total Conversion Pack is also available now.

Questions and feedback always welcome.

http://www.gamesquad.com/forums/showthread.php?p=886654#post886654

[Warhero]

Looks good in generally;)... Hmm as I installed those Total Conversion Pack zips into game, Winzip showed that picklists were somehow "damaged" (or someting like that). Could you check them again? Otherwise all other files seem to work ok.

[thatguy96]

I'll check the file with the picklists. Thanks for the feedback.

EDIT: Try it again.

[Warhero]

Hmm interesting. What I did wrong...

Anyway now it worked;)!!!

Thanks! Keep up good work!

[thatguy96]

There is, however, a glaring error with the Philippine OOB. None of the costs were done (gross oversight on my part). I'll get a revised OOB in there as soon as I can.

[Suhiir]

thatguy96 said:
A new version of the Vietnam Specific OOB Pack is available here. No longer includes the USA and USMC OOBs (Now in the Total Conversion Pack only), but does include a modified S. Korean OOB and a further revised Thai OOB.

http://www.gamesquad.com/forums/showthread.php?p=886652#post886652

A new version of the Total Conversion Pack is also available now.

Questions and feedback always welcome.

http://www.gamesquad.com/forums/showthread.php?p=886654#post886654




Can you point me to a Vietnam era TO&E for the USMC?
Been searching the net for a while and no luck.

[thatguy96]

I actually haven't had much luck with the USMC in the way of TO&E information for infantry, armor, arty, and many support units. I was hoping I might be able to work with you on it for my pack actually hehe.

I've had the most luck adding things in my USMC OOB with regards to aircraft and helicopters. You'll notice in the change file for the USMC OOB, there are dramatically fewer changes then there are for the Army OOB.

[Suhiir]

thatguy96 said:
I actually haven't had much luck with the USMC in the way of TO&E information for infantry, armor, arty, and many support units. I was hoping I might be able to work with you on it for my pack actually hehe.

I've had the most luck adding things in my USMC OOB with regards to aircraft and helicopters. You'll notice in the change file for the USMC OOB, there are dramatically fewer changes then there are for the Army OOB.



Well I can give you bits and pieces but nothing comprehensive.
Part of the problem is there were several changes, experiments, and upgrades done during the 1962-1969 period. So although there was a paper TO&E (which is what I'm looking for) the TO&E actually used varied not only from year to year but in some cases from unit to unit. Given your project I suspect you're more interested in what was used as opposed to what was on paper.

[thatguy96]

Yeah, I am, but a paper base is a good place to start from. I might find some time to do some searching and work on the project this week, but school starts Wednesday and I'm gone every weekend from now until the weekend of the Sept 15th, so who knows. Send me and Email and we can talk more about this.

[Suhiir]

Private message with e-mail address sent.

[Suhiir]

You were asking about the USMC using BAR's in Vietnam.
Do a search for M1918A2 in this document.

http://www.usmc.mil/directiv.nsf/0/0276f8bf8aba2d5a8525649700695961/$FILE/MCO%208300.1C.pdf

The download is a picture of one in use in Vietnam.

[Shadowcougar]

It was used by the ARVN in Vietnam and by the US advisers. The link I got was a USMC form for weapons reporting. You would be surprised what exists in the armoury of the Regular Forces ,Reserve and National Guard troops around the country. Some units never get rid of weapons unless they have to.

link below shows an advisor shooting a BAR on a range with the a ARVN trooper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Automatic_Rifle

[Warhero]

Updates?

[thatguy96]

Heh, well unfortunately the project has sort of been on hold. My HD crashed and I spent a fair amount of time bringing all sorts of things back up to date. Then school started, then I got evicted from where I was living, but now, now I have finished moving, so hopefully there might be some updates soon. I've just been really busy as of late hehe.

[Suhiir]

Thatguy96, I'm finding this VERY useful.

http://www.usmc.mil/directiv.nsf/984522ce4f0247b785257090004fac8b/82066ec93b06b7cb8525716b006e68bc/$FILE/U.S.%20Marines%20in%20Vietnam%20Fighting%20the%20N orth%20Vietnamese%201967%20%20PCN%2019000309000_2. pdf

[thatguy96]

Thanks a lot. What is the source on this (as in what's the title of the overall document)? Can you dl the whole document online from the USMC?

[Suhiir]

Source is the official USMC web site.
I couldn't figure out how to access the overall document.
I'd imagine you could contact the Historical Branch to get this or any of the other 5,000,000 tons of official documents they have.

[thatguy96]

The good news is that whatever my next release looks like the total conversion will have the correct flags for Laos and Philippines, and a proper miniflag for the MACV/SOG oob. I'm still trying to work out flags for the USAF and USN oobs. I made the USAF miniflag the USAF roundel, but I'm not sure how good it will look if I try to make the actual USAF flag for the others (I might stick with the roundel for the other flags). The USN might be difficult as there's no good way around having to take a stab at a very low res version of the official USN flag.

[Suhiir]

Another link you might find handy

http://books.google.com/books?id=ggFugOOOvQQC&pg=PA22&lpg=PA22&dq=usmc+ant itank+company&source=web&ots=sQSzdOnwEs&sig=S-1iAL1Nzj75PIq-2qa4paEDoIA#PPP1,M1

[thatguy96]

Yeah, I've definitely thought about picking that book up, and I've spent a fair amount of time talking with Gordon Rottman himself for this project actually. His Order of Battle book on the US Army, which is supposed to focus more on smaller unit organization, is coming out in March.

I also found the location of the rest of the Vietnam Pubs on the USMC website: http://www.usmc.mil/directiv.nsf/HISTORICAL?openview&count=5000&start=1

[thatguy96]

Here's a question. If I stopped work on the Vietnam Specific OOB and concentrated completely on the total conversion, and moved the OOBs and such from the VSP into the Total Conversion would people miss not having the "lite" version of the pack?

[junk2drive]

I'd prefer a TC pack even if it is missing some minor things.

IOW if it has the US, ARVN and NVA/VC in and mostly done.

[thatguy96]

I'm thinking its gotten to the point where I'm going to combine the two, because creating picklists for two versions of an OOB seem to more than I'm willing to do hehe.

[PlasmaKrab]

TC sounds the way to go, what with the amount of work and mods you have piled up. I mean, once you've dabbled in the data proper you can't expect an OOB pack to do the job, except if you work on two totally separate versions using your add-ins and the stock files respectively.

[Suhiir]

My OOB #13 (USMC) project is a total conversion, but only for the one OOB.

The most "fun" has been trying to keep it compatible with existing scenarios.

[Suhiir]

Here's a USMC Helo Squadron OOB in Vietnam for 1962-1975 for you.

http://www.popasmoke.com/order_of_battle.html

[thatguy96]

Here it is, the first iteration of the complete Total Conversion (still going on the previous Total Conversion numbering).

So this time you'll need:

1. Nothing but this pack, its all in there.

What you'll need to do:

1. Copy the Total Conversion Pack into a seperate Custom OOB folder or into a duplicate install of the game
2. Copy the requisite graphics, rank, name, and text files over, after backing up the defaults (always back up the defaults)
3. Using the OOB manager copy over the OOBs (You an also just permanently install them, especially if you're using a duplicate install)

What's new:

Besides it all being together, there have been numerous additions, including,

- A total of 15 upgraded OOBs, including the newly upgraded South Korean and North Vietnamese OOB and the complete Philippine OOB.

- Even more icons thanks to the usual players, special thanks to Plasmakrab for his new AH-1 and SA-2 icons

- Some custom LBMs. Again, thanks to Plasmakrab.

- Revised and expanded picklists for all nations with the exceptions of Australian and all US OOBs (wanted to release and this would've taken me longer)

- Correct Rank and Names for all nations

- Changed menu flags (Finally, for all nations, including US Navy, USAF, and others, thx to the SPCamo team for the Lao flags)

What you don't get:

- Formation and unit text (this always seems to lag behind)

- Complete reference list (If you want a list of the sources I used I'll be happy to provide it)

- Correct icons for every unit (but we're getting better all the time)

- Correct lbms for all units (the LBM format still creates issues)

It can be dled via Rapidshare here (Total size ~5MB): http://rapidshare.de/files/38256331/Vietnam_Total_Conversion_0.75.zip.html

Enjoy!

[Warhero]

Wow, thanks! I will d/l this immediately...

[thatguy96]

Here is Alpha V 0.81, which is being released in its current form so that players will have a V4 compatible version to play with.

Instructions are the same as the last time, but in case people can be bothered to scroll up:

What you'll need:

1. Nothing but this pack, its all in there.

What you'll need to do:

1. Copy the Total Conversion Pack into a seperate Custom OOB folder or into a duplicate install of the game
2. Copy the requisite graphics, rank, name, and text files over, after backing up the defaults (always back up the defaults)
3. Using the OOB manager copy over the OOBs (You an also just permanently install them, especially if you're using a duplicate install)

What's new:

- Nothing dramatically new in this version. Small changes have been made, but the biggest is the fact that this pack is now V4 based. Previously the OOBs had more or less been based on stock OOBs somewhere between Patches V2.5 and V3. All OOBs should incorporate various stock design changes (mainly those to weapon stats), with the obvious slew of subsequent changes.

What you don't get:

- Formation and unit text (this always seems to lag behind)

- Complete reference list (If you want a list of the sources I used I'll be happy to provide it)

- Correct icons for every unit (but we're getting better all the time)

- Correct lbms for all units (the LBM format still creates issues)

- Revised picklists for every nation (this is becoming a higher priority and as soon as very OOBs fill out it should be easier to complete this)

It can be dled via Rapidshare here (Total size ~5MB): http://rapidshare.de/files/39539582/Vietnam_Total_Conversion_0.81.zip.html

Enjoy!

[Warhero]

Thanks again thatguy!

[iCaMpWiThAWP]

Sorry for reviving this thread, but could someone get me another download link of the latest version? Those are broken D:

[thatguy96]

I was just going to edit the post, but apparently I can't do that anymore. Here's working link (Rapidshare auto deletes things after a certain amount of inactivity)

http://rapidshare.de/files/41271544/Vietnam_Total_Conversion_0.81.zip.html

[iCaMpWiThAWP]

Thanks, have you stopped development?

[thatguy96]

Updates haven't stopped, they've just slowed. I graduated with my masters in May, and my job has meant a lot less time where I feel energetic for such things. I've shifted focus slightly too, to smaller projects. I managed to get the Sri Lanka OOB out, and I'm working (albeit really slowly) on the Singapore one.

The tasks of fixing the name and rank files, writing unit and formation text, and filling out OOBs with units so I can create picklists for them do not generally have the same appeal as researching and creating units and weapons heh. Most of the exotic stuff I've already done, now its mostly grunt work.

[Warhero]

Hey Thatguy, could you reup that mod into another file service? I would like to get your mod back into my WinSPMBT.

Thanks in advance,
Warhero

[troopie]

Here's the version I have of it. It is 0.81 and is a .zip file.

troopie

[Warhero]

Thanks very much. Any updates in future?

[Warhero]

I installed some "older version" about VWP oobs not I had no icons. Fortunately Troopie's link still worked:).

Btw, does anyone have those old Laurent's Viet War Pack mod files for dos SPMBT? If so, could you upload them somewhere and give me link? I would really appreciate that...

Warhero

[Warhero]

FYI:I did experiment:I copied only *shp icons into graphics folder but not battle.shp. Maybe some bug in file? Now WinSPMBT seem to work ok now:).