Titan's Task - running 24hr qh

[Ironhawk]

Fed up with thier constant bickering the Pancreator has ejected all the Titans from the heavens and placed before them a task. To redeem themselves, and be proven worthy in the eyes of thier lord, they must defeat three of thier brethren in the mortal realm. Upon completion of this task, the victorious Titan will ascend to heaven and rule forever at the right hand of the Pancreator. May the greatest Titan win!

Server
IP: 67.190.105.206
Port: 2004

Map
Inland

Settings
Starting Provs: 1
Indies Strength: 6
Site Frequency: 65
World Richness: rich
Random Events: common
Score Graphs: enabled
Hall of Fame: 15
Research: Normal
Victory: 7/20 VPs

Mods
Conceptual Balance 5.2

House Rules
1) All pretenders must be Titans (mobile, size 6, bipedal humanoids)

2) No population killing dominion themes. This prohibts Ermor AE/SG and Pan CW

3) 24hr Quickhost from start to finish

Players (10/10)
Jotunhiem - Ironhawk
Marignon - Truper
Caelum - Wish
Tien Chi - KissBlade
Pangaea - Jurri
Abyssia - Cainehill
Arco - Folket
Ulm - Tom Scudder
Machaka - Arch
Pythium - Peacekeeper

[Wish]

I'll give Caelum a try in this one

[Wish]

do cyclops count?

wait, they're only size 5... guess not

what about the shedu and the allfather? They are the right size, but lack the bipedal part?

[Cainehill]

Umm - "defeating 3" - that seems a little ambiguous. Killing 3 pretenders? Or destroying three nations? Or strictly a VP win (which 6 VPs doesn't seem to match defeating 3 - defeating 2, if capitols are 2 VPs each, or defeating 5, if VPs are 1).

Sounds kinda fun, but I'd like a little more clarity on the winning. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[castigated]

i'll play jotun in this one.

[Ironhawk]

Cainehill said:
Umm - "defeating 3" - that seems a little ambiguous. Killing 3 pretenders? Or destroying three nations? Or strictly a VP win (which 6 VPs doesn't seem to match defeating 3 - defeating 2, if capitols are 2 VPs each, or defeating 5, if VPs are 1).

Sounds kinda fun, but I'd like a little more clarity on the winning. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



The statement is ambiguous but I thought the victory condition would clarify it. My thought was that there would be 20 VPs: 10 capitals and 10 in the field. The assumption was then that each player gets a VP at thier cap and would grab 1 in the field and fortify it, meaning that in order to win you would have to defeat 3 other players to get enough VPs to win.

Actually, my numbers are wrong, it should be 8VPs (2 of your own and then 6 "enemy" VPs). But thats a bit on the high side. Lets just set the victory condition at 7VPs and leave it at that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[KissBlade]

Sign me as Tien Chi

[Jurri]

Sounds fun! I'd like Pangaea.

[Cainehill]

Oh - I do want in. Bipedal mobile Size 6 humanoids - does that include shapeshifting pretenders with one form that matches those requirements? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Edit : Youch! Titans only, that really narrows things down for some nations, sheesh!

[Folket]

I want in on Arcosephale.

[Ironhawk]

Wish_For_Blood_Slaves said:
what about the shedu and the allfather? They are the right size, but lack the bipedal part?



Shedu and the Allfather do not qualify, sorry.

[Cainehill]

Ironhawk : Only size 6 bipedals, size 5 need not apply?

[Tom_Scudder]

Put me down for Ulm, please.

[Truper]

I'm in. I'll go for Marignon.

[Tom_Scudder]

So does the great mother count as a humanoid, or as a big clay thingy-oid?

[WraithLord]

I would like to join as Ctis.

[archaeolept]

I really like games that have reasonable victory conditions - I'll tentatively put my finger on Ermor.

There are 3 borderline titan cases - the earth mother, who is mostly humanoid though a bit out of the titan mold, especially in respect to abilities, the natarajah, who is pretty well titanish but is just a special case, and the void lord, who has pretty well spot on titan stats but who's pictur indicates he may be tripedal... though, i guess to actually confirm that you'ld have to see whether he can accumulate two limps before going crippled ;p

personally, i think all are close enough and should be considered as legit possibilities. the earth mother is the most outside the mold i guess.

oh, and inland can handle rlyeh, though atlantis would be pretty sucky.

[Wish]

I think the shedu should qualify, mostly because he is cool. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif anyway great mother is a bipedal size 6. My question: does sacred statue count. or baphomet. Both are size 6, and the statue is carved to look like a biped. Baphomet floats, but hes size 6 as well.

[archaeolept]

wish, the statue is not mobile. the baphomet is not mobile. they are nothing like titans http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Tom_Scudder]

I do think that the All-Father should be allowed - he's bipedal - he's just riding a friggin' horse! But I'm neither playing Vanheim nor running this game, and I guess part of the fun here is using some pretenders that don't get a lot of play normally.

[Cainehill]

Shedu ain't bipedal, sacred statue & Baphomet aren't mobile. Earth Momma I think you _need_ to have, otherwise Vanheim is stuck with two identical pretender choices - oh, air 2 or air 3!

[archaeolept]

change my tentative pick to arcos

edit: ah, [censored], arcos has been taken

[OG_Gleep]

Withdrawn. Vans open.

[Peacekeeper]

id like to sign up as pythium please.

[archaeolept]

ok machak, unless arcos frees up http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Cainehill]

Abyssia for me.

[Ironhawk]

Truper, along with the Artifacts game, has convinced me that when a game moves beyond a 24hr qh timeframe I rapidly lose interest regardless of my position. To avoid that happening here, this game will run strictly 24hr qh from start to finish. I believe that the victory conditions are still achievable under this new time restriction, but if people dont feel they can play thier end-game effectively under this time limit I will completely understand.

Edit: of course exceptions will still be made for people who need to go away for a weekend and the like. but when the game is running under time it will always be 24hr qh.

[Ironhawk]

Ok, we have a full 10 players. Arch & Peace I put you guys on the waitlist in case anyone else withdraws due to my new condition.

And with regard to the various questions about what pretenders are valid. First off, only size 6 pretenders are valid - you cannot take a Cyclops or any of the smaller pretenders who have wings and are thus size 5. As for the Great Mother: I almost ruled her out since she has regen and I fear that people will all just flock to her as an SC chasis. But as arch pointed out to not allow her would restrict some nations too severely in terms of pretender choices. Lastly, yes the Nata and Void Lord qualify for this game.

[archaeolept]

meh - Inland's huge - it can easily handle more than 10 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ironhawk]

Its only 150 provs. The 10 player limit was in order to give each nation a little breathing room before the first set of wars. Make it so that the first battle was not also the last.

[castigated]

i should probably step down for this game, actually. i just realized that i'm going away for 10 days, and already have 3 games on the go. i will be finding a replacement for those games while i'm gone, but it doesn't make sense to start a new game.

so arch or pk get the spot, i guess. whoever signed up first.

[archaeolept]

oh, and just to be clear, giant stone monoliths - are they considered bipedal?

[Wish]

nope http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Ironhawk]

Ok, Arch will step in for Cast then. Since no one else seems to have any issues with the time limit I will go ahead and bring the server up for uploads.

[Ironhawk]

The server is now ready for pretender uploads at

IP: 67.190.105.206
Port: 2004

Game will begin at midnight on Tuesday or when all 10 pretenders are uploaded.

[WraithLord]

Ironhawk said:
Truper, along with the Artifacts game, has convinced me that when a game moves beyond a 24hr qh timeframe I rapidly lose interest regardless of my position. To avoid that happening here, this game will run strictly 24hr qh from start to finish. I believe that the victory conditions are still achievable under this new time restriction, but if people dont feel they can play thier end-game effectively under this time limit I will completely understand.

Edit: of course exceptions will still be made for people who need to go away for a weekend and the like. but when the game is running under time it will always be 24hr qh.


Only saw this today. I'm sorry but I'll have to step down from this one. While the time limit is ok for the start game, for the mid and end game it is much to tight for me.

[archaeolept]

yah - i think ironhawk might not understand how things get - now, w/ this game, as it has reasonable victory conditions, its doable - though that's not the same as reasonable http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ironhawk]

Oh, I know exactly how things get. You arent talking to a rank noob here arch.

Sorry the timelimit is too much for you Wraith - I'll put Peace into your slot.

[WraithLord]

Sure.

Have a good game guys http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ironhawk]

I've decided to play Jotunhiem now that it is free. My pretender is up. Still 5 to go.

[archaeolept]

oh, yah ironhawk i was wrong about the size of the map - I remembered it as being larger (likely perspectival from having to siege a million of boron's forts one game). 10 is definitely cozy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Peacekeeper]

Pythium has been uploaded. That makes 7.

[Jurri]

Only waiting on Machaka to upload: get a move on, arch! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[archaeolept]

oh sorry - thought we were starting tuesday evening - i'll upload when i get back from work - are we using an updated "fixed vine ogres" mod and have vp been set?

edit: seriously, if there's a beta 5.3 close to being out I would love to use that... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Happy Titaning!

I would like to point out that monoliths, being monopedal, somewhat humanoid (re.: the expression "stone-faced"), and pretty naturally teleporters, are fairly close to the definition of a titan... I mean, the Shedu, that's just silly, but the monolith otoh...

[Morkilus]

Even I could make a Vine Ogre Nerf... want me to post it?

[archaeolept]

sure - the simplest solution is just to increase the price of the summon vine ogres to 2 gems - dunno if the same should be done for vine men or not...

[Tom_Scudder]

I have essentially never used the vine men spell once I had access to the ogres. Take that as you like.

[archaeolept]

ok got back late but all uploaded

was tempted to go w/ man, but couldn't stand the idea of vine ogre spamming http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ironhawk]

Server is up and running. May the best titan win!

[Cainehill]

And may the person who didn't take a titan, lose. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[archaeolept]

well, we did clarify that shedu's and monoliths were titans, right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Tom_Scudder]

Vampire Queens are basically very very small Titans, right?

[Tom_Scudder]

Wow, victory points seem very clustered. I count about five in the river valley system northwest of the bigger sea.

[archaeolept]

uh oh. clustering is bad

It also looks like there are a number of independent VPs (for instance the lone waste #67). this should probably lead to the victory conditions being altered a bit... but I admit i find it very hard to count the total number of vps. If it seems too crowded in that big river, we could easily roll the dice again...

[Cainehill]

Tom_Scudder said:
Vampire Queens are basically very very small Titans, right?



Hey, my Vampire Queen is size six with her legs wrapped around a Titan's neck feeding! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Wish]

I wish pirates where recruitable http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Ironhawk]

How do people feel about the clustering? I would be willing to re-start if they think its too much? The key question is: will it be any better the next time around? And unfortunately I did not save off your pretenders this time around so it would require a re-upload.

[archaeolept]

hey ironhawk is it true that there are indy VP's, because its really hard to count them all - but at least a couple of them don't seem to be paired w/ another close by...

No opinion on restart - my position is middling.

[Cainehill]

My guess is that a number of those are player's home provinces, which means that they'll be fighting it out pretty quick.

Not sure that it'll be any better next time - Dom2's code is pretty horrible about how it places VPs and capitals.

I'm okay with continuing (and no, I'm not in that clustered area http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ), or with restarting. (If we do restart, you should probably save the pretenders and restart until it seems decent.)

[Cainehill]

With 20 VPs (stated in the threads first post), there'd kinda have to be indy VPs. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[archaeolept]

except according to ironhawk, each capital should have another VP right close by it... there are a few vps that don't seem to be in any pair... either they're far from "their" capital, in which case up for grabs, or else they are indy map-generated VP's...

[Wish]

so really, you can win without taking out a single enemy capital

[Peacekeeper]

since i havnt gotten a reply in the shovahs subs thread, if someone reading this wants to sub for me(pythium) in this game over the weekend id be forever grateful.

give me a pm or post here.

/edit found a sub.

[Ironhawk]

There are 10 capitals (with VPs) and 10 indy VPs. The thought was that each nation would get one indy in addition to thier cap. It looks like it may work out that some get two and others get none. This is not good, but also not terrible - it just means wars will be more furious.

Apologies for my slow turning. I am used to the Artifacts Game which is suuuuuuuuuuper slow. I will pay more attention from now on.

[Tom_Scudder]

I don't mind the vps. Everyone is just going to have to know where they need to get to now. (Or if they want, they can go expand in the opposite direction and hope they build up enough strength to roll in the mid-game).

[archaeolept]

excellent! the production bug and fire in my arcane laboratory.

The mighty spider nation has no need for no stinking laboratory! feh!

[KissBlade]

*laughs* like my starspawn dying to a horror after entering the damn gate for three turns.

[Tom_Scudder]

Try playing Ulm with the production bug. (It doesn't show up in single-player).

[archaeolept]

well I am - but it hasn't shown up in Artifacts. However, so far each turn i've been left w/ unbuilt units in this game...

[Tom_Scudder]

Yeah, I'm just saying it's double-plus frustrating as Ulm... "You can't spend more than 100 gold on your units. And aha! You don't even get all of your units! But look! At least Urgek, Beast Brother is selling his services..."

[Morkilus]

I bet you've taken Sloth. I think QM's nailed why this has happened with this balance mod; it's likely that you are shown more resources than you actually have, so you aren't getting "cheated". The only problem is when you set aside gold that isn't used for the turn. I have Sloth in one of my games and the bug happens every turn.

Sorry about your lab, can't help you there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Tom_Scudder]

Yeah, I'm playing Ulm, and I've taken Sloth.

Not.

[Cainehill]

Heh. Ulm is generally not a nation you want to take sloth with - almost all your decent troops are resource-intensive, so even without the production bug sloth directly translates into you not being able to recruit as many troops.

[Cainehill]

Ah, I just love the way Dom2 places nations (some nations only 1 or 2 provinces between their capitals, while some wind up 7 or 8 away from their nearest neighbor). Looks like this is going to be a bloody one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Tom_Scudder]

Hell, even Ulm's cruddy troops are pretty resource-intensive.

[archaeolept]

have i mentioned lately how much i hate ulm? its infantry are the worst in the game...

[Tom_Scudder]

Infantry? What is this infantry thing you speak of? I don't think I've built a single Ulmish infantryman in the last half-dozen games (mostly single-player) I've played.

The Black Knights of Ulm are never defeated!

[Ironhawk]

Yeah we are packed in like rats in this map. Mathematically we should have 15provs/player. But its looking like I will be lucky to get 6-8. I already have one border!

[archaeolept]

heh, well the black knights are actually good units, though a bit overpriced - but even they are only really good in the early game against indies. A bit of elemental magic, and all that gold just swirls down the drain... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


I already have one border!


YOUR border??!!11 that's my border - give it back!!

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Wish]

It was like this using this map in the noob game too. Its to bad we didn't play it on saephi. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Peacekeeper]

for anyone who wants to know, Morkilus will be subbing for me over the weekend. Thanks Mork!

[Bluebird]

I just would like to inform you that I am subbing Ulm over the weekend, as Tom_Scudder has fried his laptop and cannot play. He hopes to be back online on monday.

[archaeolept]

excellent - just ulm left to go... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

edit: bluebird, I send you a pm

[archaeolept]

turn 7 is under way - unhappilly, Arcos staled. Let's hope folket is back w/ us today.

[Morkilus]

Read the above...

Teen Titans Go!!!1

[Peacekeeper]

I have returned from my weekend away and will again be running the lands of Pythium. Thank you very much for subbing for me Mork!

[Cainehill]

And Arco / Folket is the only person not to have taken his turn, after already staling last turn. Charming.

[Jurri]

I think he staled the turn before last one. Accidents happen, so chill out! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/beerglass.gif

[archaeolept]

arco staled the turn before; did his last turn; and now there's still a bunch of hours to go... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

edit - it is true he's last and there are 16 hrs left, but that's just the way it goes sometimes, if other stuff comes up. i know the early turns are fun and its nice when they turn quickly.

[Jurri]

There seems to be a new turn.

[archaeolept]

hey bluebird, did tom get back online, or are you still subbing?

[Peacekeeper]

judging by my other games(the 2 noob games), tom is not back online

[KissBlade]

The Celestial Empire of Tien Chi requests allies in his war against Marignon. Despite my overtures for requests for peace, he has throw his 108 strong army complete with flaming arrows and xbows at my provinces. This army DOES include his pretender.

[Ironhawk]

The Titan wars have begun!!

[Bluebird]

I have just received the following mail from Tom Scudder:

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>Argh. Laptop has been downgraded from "fried" to "would you like me to set up
your internal hard disk as an external drive for your new computer?" It's
going to take another week or so to get the new machine - you'd better just
find permanent replacements for me (or AI me) in my games.</pre><hr />

I didn't want to sub permanently, so if anybody wants to take over a game position with lots of potential, please let me know (PM) and I will send you the password.

[Jurri]

Too bad! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Well, it's an interesting position whoever should grab the bait, from what I see.

[Morkilus]

If nobody else wants to sub by tomorrow about this time, I can take over for Tom_Scudder. I'll PM Bluebird if this is the case.

[Ironhawk]

KissBlade said:
The Celestial Empire of Tien Chi requests allies in his war against Marignon. Despite my overtures for requests for peace, he has throw his 108 strong army complete with flaming arrows and xbows at my provinces. This army DOES include his pretender.



Looks like you trounced Marignon without any help?

[KissBlade]

I'm not home yet I have no idea if he attacked me or what happened.

[Wish]

Looks like there was a battle, he lost a province, you gained one, you lost about a third or a quarter of what he lost.

so basically you reamed him.

[archaeolept]

maybe massed composite bows against flagellants? Those can really do a number on them.

[KissBlade]

Meh well, I did tell him I'd beat his army. Too bad one of my cm's decides instead of casting spells, obviously the best move is to fly up to an army and melee them to death.

[Wish]

was he berserked?

[KissBlade]

Don't think so, though it's possible he got offed by a xbow shot now that I look closer.

[archaeolept]

heh you have a nature bless? then for sure...
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Wish]

I dodn't like nature blesses on TC... mostly because it causes fire demons to charge when they get hit by an arrow.

I guess it might work better with base TC than SA.

[Cainehill]

New turn just went up.

[Bluebird]

The PW of Ulm has been sent to Morkilus, so I will wait to see if he can still make the current turn in time. Otherwise I might jump in one last time.

[Ironhawk]

Thanks for covering bluebird and keeping the game moving. It is much appreciated.

[Morkilus]

Since I'm taking over Ulm permanently, could all with NAP's with me please PM me as soon as possible? Please be honest, this is the player speaking http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I hope to avoid further "administrative" difficulties.

[Morkilus]

I know about the cheating message, but be assured I have no idea how to do such a thing. More expert players have suggested it was because of the stale and alchemy, and it tends to happen randomly. In fact I have much less gold than I would like or expect (as usual).

[Ironhawk]

Mork, Ulm and I had a treaty where I gave him 5 death gems and he promised to hand over all his VPs on a turn of my choosing. I expect that you will honor this agreement from the former administration???

[KissBlade]

Ulm made the same deal with me! That two face!

[KissBlade]

Anyone want to exchange some earth/nature gems for air?

[Jurri]

A new turn.

[Ironhawk]

Just thought I would give you all a public service announcement: Arch has begun his invasion of my lands. When he is done he'll have 5-6 vps.

[archaeolept]

omg what bs - i have none of those, I am nowhere near getting any of those, I just w/drew my large army back to my lands, Ironhawk has the larger army and higher research - my invasion was prompted by a request for help from Arcos whom Ironhawk was stomping on, and it was IH, not myself, who has been sieging a fourth VP...

"public service announcement" LOL

i believe you forgot to issue a similar "public service" when you commenced your besieging of arcos... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Jurri]

Huh, those cheat-alarms seem to be flaring up all over the place! I didn't alchemize anything, and my gold is pretty close to income minus upkeep. A new type of false alarm to me: I had understood those only occured when alchemizing a lot.

[Morkilus]

As long as the propaganda machines are rolling:

The Infamous Jurri and his mishmash Incredible Hulk-Girls-Gone-Wild army was nearly beaten at Ulm's western stronghold. The tide will turn when our secret weapon is deployed this month, and soon Navy Blue shall fly triumphant yet again...

[Ironhawk]

archaeolept said:
i believe you forgot to issue a similar "public service" when you commenced your besieging of arcos... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



That was arco's job, not mine. And as you can see, clearly it was not required. As for your so-called retreat, all that says is that you didnt expect me to sacrifice any chance of winning the game by tossing all my gems and pulling my researchers out of the lab to fight. You will be back and my resources will have been exhausted.

[archaeolept]

zomg PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT!!111

the unstoppable jotun hordes have invaded poor defenceless machaka. Soon all my VPs will be his, and nothing will stand in the way of Jotun gaining ONE GAJILLION victory points.

please, for the love of all gods, this incomparable JOTUN TERRAR must be stopped. Jihad for freedom!!!

[Morkilus]

One thing about easy VP requirements... they make the "early game" alot more interesting. I feel like i have to have a scout surrounding every VP province in order to find out who's about to win.

[archaeolept]

yah no doubt http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

and its scary too - VP games like this are often won by some sudden stealth or teleporting attack; in which case, your scout won't have helped too much.

[Ironhawk]

archaeolept said:
please, for the love of all gods, this incomparable JOTUN TERRAR must be stopped. Jihad for freedom!!!



Your sarcasm shows how little you fear any attack and thus are still in a position of complete dominance. But I intend to crap all over your lands while I still have the power to do so.

[archaeolept]

lol whatever man. I should be able to destroy your invading army, eventually, somehow, but its true i'm gonna lose a ton defending myself. why exactly you're so edged up about this all, i've got no idea. At least we're comparable empires - more honour than wiping arcos http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[KissBlade]

Hi all, QM will be replacing for two weeks, I've informed him of all diplomatic standings and offers. Thx =)

[Jurri]

There seem to be some symptoms of a problem within the game: For one, the continuous cheating messages and for another there were battle replay inconsistencies in one of my battles with Ulm. (Both me and Morkilus observed the inconsistencies.) I take it the server is running version 2.16? Anyone else encountering oddities? (There was the Ulm cheating message too, so it's not a stretch that Pangaea is not the only one with weirdness going on.)

[archaeolept]

no battle inconsistencies that i've noticed - though there were some notable ones in SoL, which is on a completely different server... clearly these problems have not been solved. However, this server is not run by an active player anymore, so it could be that it is running pre-1.16. Or it could be that the CB mod has introduced something (as SoL is also running 5.2), though I have no idea what or how that could be.

as to the cheating messages, I suspect some sort of site (perhaps hidden) as the messages seem to change over between ulm and pan - you guys might be able to identify a couple possible provinces... it would be interesting to know.

[Ironhawk]

This game is running on version 2.16 as is all the other games on this server. Of those I dont recall any mention of cheating messages so it is probably ok. I think that arch's ideas are probably accurate.

[Jurri]

Huh, I was sure I did my turn yesterday yet it says I staled (Sorry Mork for the free ride!)... Well, this one I'll put down for my flu instead of the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Interestingly there was no cheating message for the stale turn, which would indicate that it's something active I do that triggers it.

[archaeolept]

ahh, well that's a simple solution then - just don't do anything in your turns and you won't cheat http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Cainehill]

You do realize the NorfleetTurnEnhancer isn't legit?

( Joke : If he was using NTE, we wouldn't get the cheat messages. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif )

[Morkilus]

What would be amazing is if we could get it to say we cheated at the same time... it would show that it wasn't a site causing the issues. You would think it would pop every turn if it was a site, though.

[Ironhawk]

Did someone crush Trup? Marignon is AI now, wasnt that his nation?

[Truper]

I've been semi-crushed in game terms, and completely crushed in my enjoyment of Dom2. Rather than submit half-hearted turns, I figured I'd just ai. Sorry if that inconveniences anyone, but I don't think it will.

[Wish]

Its okay, it didn't take long to remove the Ai from the game. He got worked pretty good by TC

[Ironhawk]

I'm on my way out too. Machaka just seiged my capital and he's got not only an AQ but also the Soulstone. My chances for survival are nonexistant. Good playin with you guys!

[Morkilus]

Turn's up.

[archaeolept]

well, sieging his capital would be more impressive if I could actually scratch the walls. Perhaps Ironhawk would be kind enough to sortie; otherwise it looks like i will be sieging for a long long time... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ironhawk]

Uhhh... you guys, I know you ignored me last time but arch is on the verge of winning. He's 3 VPs from victory and there are still 2 VPs left in my lands which I can no longer defend. Once I'm dead he'll be 1 VP from winning with at least two VPs in close proximity to his new borders.

[Cainehill]

Unfortunately I'm somewhat busy with both Caelum and Pythium trying to kill me off.

[Wish]

crap, looks like its time to gang up on arch

[archaeolept]

ehh, i don't have them yet - and i'm not about to take that one near ulm - that's his http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I will eventually take the capital, which will bring me to 5 though. Hopefully a couple others will gain some vps before then though

I guess I don't really believe in VP chasing cheeze - though that's fine if someone does go for a VP grab, since dem's the rules. If eventually, in the normal course of events, I gain the 7 vps, well, great. But I plan on just playing normally. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Wish]

looks like machakas gonna take this one, since I don't have what it takes to stop his SCs :/

[Morkilus]

Machaka sneak attacked me, supposedly because I was "seiging" four victory points. Ph34r my army of wolvez!

Anyway, unless everyone wants this game to end, hit the spider people hard!

[archaeolept]

umm, it was not a sneak attack. you were sieging four vps - i had no way of knowing w/ what - you could have explained to us in IRC if you wanted, as both peacekeeper and I expressed our concerns, but you did not. I'm not currently going for any VPs, because, well, I don't feel like it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

If I had "sneak attacked" i would have actually moved my armies into your territories instead of just keeping them sitting there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Wish]

Well it certainly helped ease up the battle on my eastern front.

[archaeolept]

yah, but i'm balancing it out w/ a bit of AQ rampage on your lands http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif - its true, if i had known that the other sieges were only wolf attacks, I would just have stayed out of it all. But, in the absence of other information, I had to respond to what could have been a VP gank on mork's part...

[archaeolept]

ahh, I was sad to kill Tomato, the heroic dark servant. That was a nailbiter - I didn't know the result when I watched the battle and it looked like my tartarian was going to lose (by retreating) - luckily he prevailed, on round 36 by my estimate...

scary fight

you can bring him back, at least, as a heroic mummy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Wish]

yeah, I wasn't even trying to fight you, I wanted to give ulm a whack.

I am actually scheduling his return as mummy this round http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[KissBlade]

Is anyone up for just calling this game over? I think arch's pretty much undebateably the winner.

[archaeolept]

hey man - you gotta strut your stuff - I know you've got some serious *** forces just twiddling their thumbs... whatever that I have it sewn up... everyone's gotta represent

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Wish]

yeah, once he finishes with pythium, thats game - by VPs

[Peacekeeper]

hes not finishing with me. Hes been able to storm a couple of my VPs for a couple turns now and just....doesnt.

[Wish]

so he is toying with us

[archaeolept]

hey, i've said for a while I don't really care about VPs - and i've been waiting for Tien Chi to actually do something w/ his huge forces. I could try to assault Pythium's cap - but I think my assaulting army would lose...

If you guys wish, I can reinforce that army w/ a couple SCs and go for the win - victory is pretty foregone, its a question of wether there are interesting battles yet. I don't mind either way

[KissBlade]

Alright, let's gather up all our forces arch and meet at one province then. (My dominion =) ) Just no SC's. hehe

[archaeolept]

haha

ehh, ok, if people are complaining that i'm not ending it, I'll try and end it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

gg everyone

[Wish]

aww, I'm just now getting the resources to counter your SCs :/

this is perhaps indicative of my lacking skill

[KissBlade]

Some of his SC's have freakish MR =\.

[Wish]

true

[archaeolept]

ok game over.

gg all

[Peacekeeper]

good game arch. was a pleasure getting run over by you, learned a lot in it and thats what i intended to do this game =)

[Wish]

good job arch

[Jurri]

Nice work, arch. Guess we all should have listened to Ironhawk.

[archaeolept]

heh well, he was just trying to protect his own *ss - but when he collapsed w/out really doing any damage to me, then might have been the time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[KissBlade]

Yah, good job on the well deserved win arch. =)