MP Game, CB Mod, Tripled Income

[Graeme Dice]

I'm feeling an urge to start up another multiplayer game with non-standard conditions. I am personally of the opinion that one of the major reasons that national troops aren't used is that their gold cost is too high to justify their use compared to mages. Thus, to experiment with this, I'm hoping to set up a game where the income of each nation is closer to what was obtainable through tax and patrol micromanagement in Dom:PPP. Thus, I will be reducing the population required to produce gold to a third of its current value. This should make national troops and the more expensive castles required to produce them a much better investment.

We will be using the latest version of the Conceptual Balance mod, and there are no house rules. We will be playing on a map with no more than 15 provinces per player. Turns will be on a 48 hour quickhost.

The game conditions will be:
Map: 10-15 provinces per player.
Magic Sites: 50%
Independents: 6
Renaming on
Standard Research
No house rules
48 hr quickhost
The winning condition will be to control a number of victory points equal to the number of players. Each capital will count as a victory point. There will be a number of other victory points spread around the map. The amount of these victory points that are spread around the map will be one less than the total number of players.

I will be playing Mictlan.

The players are:
Graeme: Mictlan
Animal: Machaka
Cainehill: Jotunheim
Shovah: Pangaea
Reverend Zombie: Marignon
Tyrant: Vanheim
Folket: R'Yleh
Izzyz: Arco
Shmonk: Ulm
Oversway: C'Tis

68.148.13.231, port 11111

[shovah]

to counter their money problem of expensive mages and hunting tax loss? good idea http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif. sign me up to pangaea.

[lebarjack]

You can count me in as Vanheim.

[Oversway]

I see it says "No house rules" but I just wanted to check, are pop killing themes ok? What about underwater nations?

[Graeme Dice]

Oversway said:
I see it says "No house rules" but I just wanted to check, are pop killing themes ok? What about underwater nations?



There's absolutely no limitations on themes or nations.

[Graeme Dice]

Anybody else interested in this game?

[Tyrant]

I'll play, but i want to think about what nation a little.

[Reverend Zombie]

I'll take Marignon. It's been awhile.

[Cainehill]

May take a nation and slot, sounds interesting, but won't know for sure until the weekend.

[lebarjack]

I am sorry. I won't be able to play this game.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

[Tyrant]

I'll take Vanheim please.

[Folket]

I would like to play Rye'lgh

[shovah]

they were the other nation i considered (massed mages+illithids)

[Reverend Zombie]

So, any news on when this might start, or do we need more players first?

[shovah]

i hope soon, i want to reach the point of more games than i can handle=nervous breakdown=getting off school.

[Graeme Dice]

I'll start the game up tonight and provide the contact information.

[Cainehill]

Oh - thinking of Jotunheim myself, or perhaps Machaka.

[Animal]

Are there still places left for the game?
If there are I'd like to play Machaka if Cainehill takes Jotun
but if he doesn't I'll go with Abysia.

[Cainehill]

Animal, go ahead and take Machaka - I'll take Jotun or one of the other open ones.

Graeme : Are you handling the triple income via the map file, or will we be needing a mod that triples it? (And will resources likewise be tripled?)

[Graeme Dice]

I'll post the mod for income tonight. I'm not planning to triple resources, unless people think that would also be a good idea.

[Graeme Dice]

The current players are:
Graeme: Mictlan
Animal: Machaka
Cainehill: Jotunheim
Shovah: Pangaea
Reverend Zombie: Marignon
Tyrant: Vanheim
Folket: R'Yleh
Izzyz: Arco
Shmonk: Ulm
Oversway: C'Tis

[Cainehill]

Graeme Dice said:
I'll post the mod for income tonight. I'm not planning to triple resources, unless people think that would also be a good idea.



Seems like a good idea to me, similar to rich world doubling both resources and gold. Otherwise nations that can crank out low-resource high value troops (Vanheim for instance) have an edge over those with resource intensive troops.

[shovah]

i would triple resources too, could be fun (drools over posibility of producing 10 black knights/knights of the chalice/KNIGHTS TEMPLAR per turn)

[Graeme Dice]

I'll triple the resources as well then.

[shovah]

good, otherwise no nation with high resource troops

[Shmonk]

If you need 1 more player for whatever map you wanted to use, I'll join. Because 8 is a more rounded number of players to have, right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

If you've got room, I'll choose a nation later this afternoon, after I get home from work, but I'm thinking Ulm, Arco or Abysia.

[shovah]

to spam heavy infantry and mages? just pick something no-one likes like caelum RotR and die a happy, silent death.

[Shmonk]

hehehe I have yet to play Caelum, even in SP. I tested it once and thought it would be a different play style than I would like, so I stopped.

But if you really need someone to beat up easily, I may choose Caelum just for "fun". Because you never know, I could deliver a thorough trouncing... to my neighboring indy provinces. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[shovah]

that why i suggested return of the raptors http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif most of their stuff sucks.

[Cainehill]

Woot! Just waiting on the mod, and announcement of the map. Gotta field test things just a little bit. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Shmonk]

I'll choose Ulm, if you still don't mind an extra person.

[Izzyz]

Count mein for Arco if still open.

[Oversway]

C'tis, please.

Unless of course the game is too full.

[Graeme Dice]

Here's the mod for tripled income and resources.

[Cainehill]

Graeme Dice said:
Here's the mod for tripled income and resources.



Coolness. Have you picked the map and setup a host yet?

[Shmonk]

Hmm.... This could be an "interesting" game. We won't hit the unit limit, will we? I love the extra gold/resources, but I can see BIG armies forming right away.

[Reverend Zombie]

Graeme Dice said:
Here's the mod for tripled income and resources.



When creating Pretenders, should only the MegaMoney mod be enabled, or does the "vanilla" cbcomplete (vers. 5.4) also need to be enabled?

[Cainehill]

Just MegaMoney - he added the changes for money to the existing 5.4.

[Folket]

Where are we to send pretenders?

[Graeme Dice]

The server is running now at:
ip:68.148.13.231
port:11111

[Shmonk]

What map do we need, or is that known yet?

[shovah]

i cant connect...

[Cainehill]

Announcing the map would be good - otherwise someone without the map is sure to be on dialup. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Graeme Dice]

You should all be able to connect to the server now. With 10 people we can play on the Kingdom of Karan map if nobody has a problem with it.

[shovah]

where would i find this?

[Cainehill]

You could try googling "Karan Dominions" or some such.

[Graeme Dice]

The Karan map is available on Illwinter's site under their maps section.

[Oversway]

Karan is fine with me

[Shmonk]

I'm fine with this map. Almost ready to upload my pretender, just let me know when.

[Izzyz]

I'm good with Karan, and had been playing my practice game on it for this matchup! Ready to go.

[Folket]

Seems like I will not be able to connect TCP/IP before monday.

[Shmonk]

So that means we will probably start this after Monday, June 5? Dang, I was hoping it'd start after the holiday weekend was over.

[shovah]

whos uploaded?

[Shmonk]

I have. After I uploaded late last week, I checked the next day and saw all but 1 or 2 had uploaded, but haven't checked since then.

[shovah]

i updated early 2

[Animal]

I've uploaded.

[Cainehill]

I'm uploaded since early in the week.

[Tyrant]

Eight had uplaoded last time i checked, that leaves two unaccounted for. I've been hoping GD woould post here when we launch. (Assuming that's before Dom III ships :> )

[Oversway]

If no one has objections, I will play Caelum instead. Please kick C'tis.

[Reverend Zombie]

Cainehill said:

I'm uploaded since early in the week.



I too am ready to start!

[Folket]

I'm back now, but when I tried to upload the pretender I could not connect. I will try again later.

[Folket]

I have uploaded now.

[shovah]

anyone left to upload?

[Oversway]

If that is everyone, lets just start the game, I'll stick with ctis.

[Folket]

We should update the first post to include the players, mods and IP.

[Graeme Dice]

The game is now up and running.

[Cainehill]

Woot! Let the blood shed be ... TRIPLE!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Oversway]

1st turn is in

[shovah]

only machaka to go with 35 hours left, we r doin good.

[Cainehill]

And a new turn is up.

[shovah]

And there was much dancing and rejoicing throughout the lands, as the prophet sanguinus' name was proclaimed and the flying scouts of pangaea found their nearest neighbours (do you know who you are?)

[Folket]

this game is played at a high pace, two turns a weekday is great.

Btw, I will be gone over the weekend. So I may play a turn friday morning and sunday evening. If you could cancel force hosting until monday I would be grateful.

[Graeme Dice]

I don't have a problem with turning off the hosting timer over the weekends.

[shovah]

i'll be gone over the weekend, i'll post here when im back.

[Cainehill]

And you couldn't take your turn in the last 32 hours?

[shovah]

turn 5 would be up now myself believes.

[shovah]

Change of plans, it'll be next weekend im away.

[Oversway]

From the army size chart, it looks like R'lyeh is doing massed lobos? The limit is 50 units per turn per land, right?

[shovah]

yes

[Shmonk]

Is there truly a unit limit per land built into Dom 2? I didn't know that. Because I didn't think the house rules had any such limit (and wondering if there should have been).

[Graeme Dice]

Shmonk said:
Is there truly a unit limit per land built into Dom 2?



It's 50 units per province per turn.


I didn't know that. Because I didn't think the house rules had any such limit (and wondering if there should have been).



Please don't suggest house rules.

[Folket]

I'm back again. And turn 5 has hosted.

[Oversway]

It didn't read to me like Smonk was suggesting anything, rather he was commenting about unit limits.

[shovah]

turn 8 is out.

[shovah]

only marignon/marignon (not sure which, cant remember) left.

[Reverend Zombie]

shovah said:
only marignon/marignon (not sure which, cant remember) left.



It's Machaka we're waiting on, actually.

[Cainehill]

Reverend Zombie said:

shovah said:
only marignon/marignon (not sure which, cant remember) left.



It's Machaka we're waiting on, actually.



Which is ... Animal? As has been posted about 3 times already - could we get the original post updated to show nations / players, Graeme?

[Folket]

Anyhow, I'm off early this weekend. I will be back late on sunday.

[Graeme Dice]

Cainehill said:
Which is ... Animal? As has been posted about 3 times already - could we get the original post updated to show nations / players, Graeme?



Just did it.

[shovah]

Folket said:
Anyhow, I'm off early this weekend. I will be back late on sunday.



samre for me

[Shmonk]

A new turn is up.

[Folket]

I'm back and a new turn is up.

[Graeme Dice]

New turn is up.

[Oversway]

I will be traveling this weekend. I should have internet connectivity and be able to keep up with the 48 hour turns, but I apologize in advance for any slow down. I have played the latest turn as of this posting.

[Reverend Zombie]

Server seems to be down.

[Graeme Dice]

The server was still up, but my router had stopped talking with the internet. Everything should be good now.

I'll be putting the game on quickhost only for the coming long weekend.

[shovah]

I shall be gone from late friday afternoon until wednesday afternoon, sorry for the inconvenience.

[Oversway]

Are we still waiting for jotun? Cainehill has always been a prompt player in the games I've been in with him.

[Graeme Dice]

We're on a new turn now. It will probably be the last turn before next Wednesday.

[Folket]

Seems like I'm not able to connect and play my turn.

[Graeme Dice]

Server rebooted, my next turns are in, and we should be good to go.

[shovah]

I suggest everyone ganks rlyeh, some mighty big armies there (won t help me im dead already)

[Graeme Dice]

New turn is up. I'll turn it to quickhost only for this coming weekend.

[Folket]

Seems like I have problems finding a sub for me. If I'm lucky you will not have taken all my water provinces before my return.

[Oversway]

The next turn is ready

[shovah]

yes, and for those who dont believe rlyeh should be ganked, look at the score charts.

[Folket]

Well, I have seen no suggestions on what to do if I do not get a sub.

[Folket]

I have found that going AI is the best choice I have. It is not pretty but grab allmy provinces for free is not a very good solution either.

[Cainehill]

I'm essentially out of the game, so guess I could run R'lyeh for a bit.

[Tyrant]

Folket, how long will you be gone?

AI doesn't work because you can't come back. I say let Cainehill sub or just pause the game. Given your massive position it would really screw the pooch if you just walked away.

If you are just going to be gone for a couple turns we could also just argree not to attack you while you are away.

[Graeme Dice]

Folket said:
Well, I have seen no suggestions on what to do if I do not get a sub.



Until your last post, there wasn't even any indication that you needed a sub, but please don't set yourself to the AI.

[shovah]

yea, youve crushed me so now take your chance of ulm/mict.

[Tyrant]

hmm, i am worried that Folket might have already gone AI. He has uploaded already, possibly about the time he wrote that last post. Perhaps we can pause the current turn in hopes that he checks in? Given his size and location (everywhere), it would make this game very chaotic if he suddenly went AI. I'd rather see Cainehill sub or, if nessicary, take over for him. (thanks for your willingness to that btw)

What do the rest of you think?

I'v now noticed that Folket made a forum post recently, so maybe i'm fretting for nothing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Cainehill]

He sent me his password, so presumably didn't go AI.

[Izzyz]

I think I am the only one actively fighting him right now except for Pangaea, so I will refrain from hostile action until this gets worked out if that will make things easier. I,too, would prefer an active human as a sub or replacement, and would rather wait until we get one. Even if it is Cainehill, who I am fighting on the other side of the map! (Nothing personal, Cainehill.)

[Tyrant]

Thanks for doing that Cainehill, will you be taking over or just subbing?

[Graeme Dice]

Next turn is up.

[Graeme Dice]

I've put the game back on the timer, and we are only waiting for Pan, Machaka, and R'Lyeh.

[Cainehill]

Tyrant said:
Thanks for doing that Cainehill, will you be taking over or just subbing?



Far as I know / am concerned, I'm just subbing until Folket works out his internet access.

[Oversway]

Sorry for any stales or delays of game this weekend. The last I checked we were still waiting for machacka, but then I got networking issues and so have not been able to play.

[Graeme Dice]

Is anybody else having trouble connecting. I'm in Cincinnati for the week, so I can't reset the server if you are unfortunately.

[Oversway]

I do not seem to be able to connect, but I'm trying it from a friends place so I don't know if there are other issues.

[Izzyz]

I also can't connect, since last night.

[Shmonk]

Same here, figure it's been down for 2 days now.

[Animal]

Can't connect either. Hopefully I won't get a stale turn because I'm banging Ulms gates. But such is war, nothing goes according to plans.

[Cainehill]

I love a good plan. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Shmonk]

You're attacking Ulm? Why on earth would you do that? He is such a powerful enemy. His wrath, when unleashed, may be unstoppable. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Graeme Dice]

The power went out in my apartment while I was away from home., so I don't think anybody missed a turn. It's back on now.

[Oversway]

Is there a new turn since sunday? How many hours left until hosting?

thanks

[Cainehill]

Just back back in town, server seems to be down again.

[Graeme Dice]

My apartment had another power outage this afternoon. The server is back up and running, with only Pangaea and R'lyeh left to take their turns.

[Animal]

Shmonk said:
You're attacking Ulm? Why on earth would you do that? He is such a powerful enemy. His wrath, when unleashed, may be unstoppable. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



I have no fear because my hairy bulldozers will crush anything
Ulm sends my way. No mere blacksteel plates will stop the overgrown bastards.

[Cainehill]

Only Pangaea left to go - suspect that with one province (non-capital) left, that player may not be paying attention anymore.

[Izzyz]

It being almost a week since a turn was run, I move that our kind host simply run the turn and not wait for the (almost) dead guy any longer.

[Graeme Dice]

Next turn is up. Hopefuly this week's will run more smoothly.

[Reverend Zombie]

I will be out of town this weekend, away from a computer. May we pause the game over the weekend, please?

[Graeme Dice]

The next turn is up, and I'll take the game off of the timer for the weekend.

[Oversway]

I'm still waiting for a new computer parts, so if C'tis is the only one left, you can run the turn and I'll deal with the stale. I hope to be able to play by the next turn. I don't think I'm going to be a powerhouse in this game anyways http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Graeme Dice]

We're just waiting on Marignon, Vanheim, C'Tis, and Pan, so I'll turn the timer back to 48 hours now.

[Cainehill]

Essentially only C'tis left, and he's waiting for computer parts ( Pangaea is shown as being left to go, but was eliminated this turn).

[Graeme Dice]

Okay. I can run the turn tonight then.

[Oversway]

I got the parts today, I should be able to get my turn in tonight.

[Oversway]

Didn't happen, sorry. If I can't get it working tonight, I'll have Graeme set me to AI. I'd look for a sub, but I'm pretty much done for -- I should have better anticipated Van violating our NAP without warning.

[Tyrant]

Oversway said:

I'm pretty much done for -- I should have better anticipated Van violating our NAP without warning.



We had no NAP. I offered one many turns ago and got no responce from you whatsoever. Taking this as a sign of hostile intent, i prepared to make war.

I am sorry about attacking while you are having 'puter troubles, but given the nasty aspect of your stinky swamp dominion i cannot loiter about catching diseases.

[Graeme Dice]

Next turn is up.

[Folket]

Can someone edit the first post and put IP and port there.

[Cainehill]

68.148.13.231, port 11111

[Oversway]

We had no NAP. I offered one many turns ago and got no responce from you whatsoever. Taking this as a sign of hostile intent, i prepared to make war.



My reply must have gotten lost. Oh well. I'm probably quite dead by now. You may as well set me to AI if you havn't already. Sorry to everyone for the stales and slow turns.

[Izzyz]

Hello? Is there anybody out there? I've seen no new turn, and no explanation posted.

I'm getting a Twilight Zone kind of feeling about this game, and I was hoping someone could answer these questions:

Is there another forum where conversations about this game are happening? This weekend the game was again taken off of the timer, only this time without any request that I saw. Why?

Tyrant posted recently asking a similar question, but now his post has disappeared. Why?

Who is playing R'lyeh? Folket's request for contact info implies he is trying to take back over his country. Is this the reason for the delay? Please let Cainehill continue to play if Folket cannot connect so that we can make some progress.

If Oversway wants to go to AI, doesn't he have to make the change on his end, rather than having our kind host do it?

Has anyone heard from Machaka as to why his turn isn't in?

Finally, is anyone else as frustrated as I am about the appallingly slow pace of this game? This is my first net game ever, as opposed to a locally hosted one, and I find it excruciating to play so slowly. Is this the norm for net games? If it is, I will try to chill out and wait. But really, this is ridiculous!

Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer my questions.

[Shmonk]

I'm with you on this also. This is a very slow game, and we're only around turn 25 or something. In another game I'm in (RAND2) we are hosting twice a week, but that's because we're up to turn 73 or so and 2 turns a week is fine for that stage of the game. Yet this game is almost slower than that one now.

Oh well, I think once Dom 3 comes out and MP games are started for that there will be very few delays in those games.

[Tyrant]

Machaka put in his turn, Oversway wandered off, so Ryleh is the question now.

[Graeme Dice]

Izzyz said:This weekend the game was again taken off of the timer, only this time without any request that I saw. Why?



Because it's a long weekend, and people don't tend to play their turns over a long weekend. Games that I host play at a slow pace.

[Cainehill]

Folket told me on the 4th that he was taking R'lyeh back over, on the 5th he was asking the port/IP and I posted it. No clue what's going on with him now.

[Folket]

I just played my turn... triple income was instresting but it turned into a administrative nightmare.

[Graeme Dice]

Yep. It didn't turn out quite like how I was hoping it would, but the game seems to be fairly interesting. I'm probably going to have to bow out at the end of this week due to a vacation unless somebody wants to take over Mictlan.

[Izzyz]

Thank-you to all who have replied to my post, and an especially big thanks to Graeme for hosting. No criticism of you about the pace was intended. I realize that players will lose interest if they miss turns due to real life, and accomodating requests for the clock to stop is prudent.
The admin burden is rather high, but I am still eager to continue playing with whomever wants to keep going.
Cainehill, are you willing to continue pinch-hitting, this time for Mictlan?
And, if Oversway is out, how can we get him set to AI? And, if he is not going to submit a turn, aren't we ready to go?

[Graeme Dice]

I can set him to AI. I just can't set him back to a human if he comes back. I'll force host everything tonight and try to get the game back on schedule.

[Cainehill]

Graeme - is there is a hard date for you taking Mictlan back over? I'm a little wary about going into it open ended just now, but could fill in a turn or three, especially if you can say what you're doing, plans, etc, so I'm not coming in blind.

Edit : Oh - having just played / defended R'lyeh against you, I don't think it'd work out. Never mind.

[Folket]

Well, Cainehill perhaps we could negoiate a favorable peace. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif If I remember correctly someone said he was going to set C'tis to AI earlier in this thread, if that is so you should set him to AI at once.

[Oversway]

Yes, please set ctis to AI. I cannot connect from work due to firewall issues, and my home computer no longer has internet until I can get a working card. Apologies for going AI, it will probably give Van a big boost but I am unable to play.

[Graeme Dice]

Next turn is up. See you guys in a week and a half.

[Reverend Zombie]

Turn's about to host, and no sign of R'lyeh...

[Folket]

I'm very sorry but I can't play this game any more. I will wait a couple of days before I turn my nation rouge.

I wish you good luck and sooner or later I will return in Dominions 3.

[Izzyz]

Sigh. Cainehill, can you ride to the rescue again? If you are still reading this forum, that is. Folket, can you post a request for a replacement? Since R'lyeh is yet the dominant player in the game, it would be great if we could get a human to take over. I will again halt my offensive against R'lyeh until we can get things sorted out, since I get no great thrill from whacking an unplayed position. Please do not go to AI at least until our host comes back.

[RonD]

Ugh. I hate to see games destroyed by the biggest nation going AI.

If Cainehill doesn't want to do it, I can take over R'lyeh.

[Folket]

Oj, I just put myself AI. I will send you log in and change my turn.

[RonD]

Folket sent me his password. I put in a quickie turn with a lot of recruiting and nothing else, just to be sure to overwrite his original go AI turn. I might or might not have time to do more before the next hosting.

[Tyrant]

Excellent. Thanks and welcome to the game Ron.

[Izzyz]

Yes, thank-you very much and welcome aboard. In case Folket didn't include a current events summary, here comes one. Mictlan is our host, and is out of town. You have been fighting Mictlan heavily, and me(Arco) a little bit. Marignon is also fighting Mictlan, and you may have some kind of agreement with him. Machaka and Ulm are going at it hammer and tongs; I don't believe either is fighting anyone else. Van is mopping up Ctis. Pan and Jotun are down, Ctis is almost so. Yes, my spies are everywhere.:) As stated above, I took no action against you this turn. Next turn, however...
Thanks again for riding to the rescue of our game.

[Tyrant]

How about we change the victory conditions to most VPs on Oct. 5 wins? Dom3 release day + 3 days for shipping?

[Reverend Zombie]

Server down?

[Izzyz]

Yesterday and today, so far.

[Izzyz]

I noticed my Shrapnel mailbox icon flashing, but found no message in it. If someone was trying to message me, the message did not get through. Please try again.

[Graeme Dice]

Sorry about the server being down. I hadn't noticed it as the monitor on that computer was turned off. The server is back up right now, but is at port 10101 (I couldn't remember which port it was on). I'll switch it back to port 11111 later tonight.

[RonD]

Thanks, Graeme.

[RonD]

Tyrant said:
How about we change the victory conditions to most VPs on Oct. 5 wins? Dom3 release day + 3 days for shipping?



Wheee!!!

Just like the Grand Finale in a fireworks show, the mad scramble for VP provinces is in full swing. There were 4 separate battles over one VP alone this turn.

Perhaps the vaunted Arco astrology corps did not forsee so many fish out of the frozen water? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif Things are looking up for Van. Perhaps the vaunted Arco astrology corps picked the wrong peace treaty?

Should be quite the fun scramble for the last 3 turns http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[RonD]

So exactly how many more turns do we want to play this?

1?
2?

Call it a draw now, because we all hope to find dom3 in our mailbox today or tomorrow?

[Tyrant]

Since it takes two turns to breach and storm, one turn seems pointless. My copy of 3 shipped today, so i'm easy either way. It's really up to Graeme.

Nice job coming outta the bullpen Ron, and thanks again for taking over.

[Shmonk]

I say call it a draw now. After 2 nations storm my capital in the same turn no less. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

But I'm fine either way, my delivery notice was today, so my copy should be arriving tomorrow (cross my fingers).

[RonD]

It was necessary to destroy your capital in order to save it from being destroyed by Arcoscephale. So, really, just doing you a favor old chap.

Well, that's our story and we're sticking to it. Until we think of a better one.

[RonD]

Thanks for the game, everyone.

It was an interesting experience. The triple income made it possible for me to switch R'lyeh's focus from the previous owner's lobo swarms to huge masses of ilithids and (most importantly) starspawns. There were very few mage starspawns when I took over, but I was able to recruit them in huge numbers. The ones with a death random were the most important - nether darts from an S4 caster are just nasty, and being able to teleport 10-20 nether bolters onto whatever army Arco was trying to throw at me was more than he could handle.

Thanks to Graeme for hosting.

Unless someone has any objection, I'll message Graeme and let him know he can take the game down.

[Izzyz]

Congratulations RonD, on a well-earned victory. I fumbled in the end zone due to sequence of play confusion, as you no doubt noticed. A typical noob error I'm afraid. This was my first net game and only my fifth multiplayer game. All in all, very enlightening. Thanks again for stepping in, and thanks to Graeme for hosting. On to Dom III!

[Tyrant]

Thanks for the game everyone. Kinda a bummer for me 'cause all my opponents deserted, but fun playing with giant armies of endgame Vanhiem might.

Thank you for hosting Graeme, and bonus points for hosting for so long after you left without complaint!

Grats to Ron, excellent work coming in as a sub and pulling off the win!