Proposed/Failed Program Icon Submittal Thread

[MarkSheppard]

You can see some icons for failed projects in WinMBT already.

Icon Nos:
583. CF-105 AVRO Arrow (Canadian)
775. RAH66 Comanche Green
776. RAH66 Comanche Black/Green camo
777. RAH66 Comanche Tan/Green camo
1197. F-16XL Scamp (failed competitor to F-15E)
2756: Sukhoi Su-43 (Forward Swept Wing Prototype)

Now for one of my own.

Landing Vehicle, Assault

Was to be based on the LVTP7 hull with a LCAC-style air cushion, contract was issued in 1975, with intention of IOC between 1980-85.

Was to hit 56 to 112 KMH in the water, 64 to 88 KMH on land.

[MarkSheppard]

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8153/lvtpwithbradley1oi.jpg

LVTP7 proposal with Bradley Turret. My icon is a kitbash using the SPCAMO LVTP7 and Bradley icons as base art.

[MarkSheppard]

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3617/lvthx54fn.jpg

LVTHX5 concept; but no prototype was ever built.

Icon created by kitbashing SPCAMO's LVTP7 hull and their M-60 turret.

[thatguy96]

It would be interesting to see an OOB for the US Army with all sorts of canceled projects represented.

[MarkSheppard]

This one is NOT NOT NOT NOT by me.

I Repeat, it is NOT by me.

This is Sgt. Gunn's AH-56 Cheyenne Icon, put here so that it's easier to find.

http://www.internetage.com/cartercopters/othercraft/ah56a-lc2.jpg
Was to be our next generation helo, but was more adapted to high altitude, high speed diving attacks, and could not hover very well.

[pdoktar]

The ugliest helicopter I´ve ever seen. Thank god it was cancelled. Maybe it wouldn´t have suited the russian view of beauty and grace either, good for them they had the shilka for such ugly flying critters. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[croach]

Sorry to intrude on someone elses thread but I have produced two icons that could fall under this catagory:
1. TSR2 (http://www.vectorsite.net/avtsr2.html)
(Based off a diagram found on the above site)
2. Hawker P1154 (http://www.vectorsite.net/avav8_1.html#m6) Supersonic STOVL Fighter/CAS Aircraft... the Harrier was salvaged from the wreck of this program. The Icon is actually a modified version of the Harrier Icon that came with the game (had to lengthen the fuslage, modify the tail and the jet intakes).

Edit to add: Feel free to modify the TSR2 (add underwing stores, etc)
Edit again to fix links

[MarkSheppard]

Sorry to intrude on someone elses thread but I have produced two icons that could fall under this catagory

Actually, that's the point of this thread, to act as a central depository for hypothetical "what if" icons, of cancelled programs or sketches that never got off the drawing board. It's not my own private thread, lol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

And BTW, nice icons of the TSR.2 and P.1154

[croach]

And BTW, nice icons of the TSR.2 and P.1154


Thanks, I admit the TSR2 still needs some refinement... for instance I need to work out how to get the foward fuslage to 'blend' with the wing rather than the damn horrid boarder between the two there is now.

[MarkSheppard]

The General Dynamics 120S is an upgrade of the M60 tank. The 120 in the designation represents the 120mm smoothbore gun and the S stands for speed and survivability. The M60 part of the earlier M60-2000 designation is no longer considered relevant as so much of the MBT is new.

The 120S is a unique product that integrates the M1A1 120-mm turret, equipped with a 240X4 FLIR, onto a fully modernized M60 chassis.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/92/m60120snt1.jpg

It was proposed for Turkey, but they bought the Israeli Sabra instead to upgrade their M-60 fleet.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2002/m60120sblownupcp7.gif
Blown up 200% view of Icons.

Icons are stock SPMBT M-60A1 and IPM1 icons; the M-60 Hulls were re-worked to take into account the fact that they'd get teh same powerplant treatment as the M1.

[thatguy96]

I'm no good at graphic design, but I figure I'll throw this out there. Fleet Marine Force Manual 8-4 (http://www.marines.cc/downloads/FMFM8_4/MAIN-1.pdf) has some interesting proposed vehicles (this version is dated 1967).

[MarkSheppard]

Hmmdeedum

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5152/armoredlcvprn2.gif
Zoomed in 200% view of icon

Armored LCVP
1 x 20mm Mk 2 or Mk 4 cannon in bow (bow door cut down)
3 x .30 Cal MGs in cupolas (one roof, one each side)

8 kt water speed

Created using SPWW2 LCVP icon plus roof from a SPCAMO wooden building.

[PlasmaKrab]

Been fiddling with late-cold-war programs for some while, here are a few (game size):

Crusader AFAV (USA) (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/crusader.htm)
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4599/crusaderafavlc1.png

A-12 Avenger-II (USA) (http://www.habu2.net/a12/avenger2.htm)
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9128/a12navyjd4.png

T-95 (USSR) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-95)
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5678/t95tb7.png

Strv-2000 (Sweden) (http://members.tripod.com/Strv102r/strv_2000.htm)
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1032/strv141dc1.png

Marder-2 (FRG) (http://www.grenadiertruppe.de/marder2.html)
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/943/spz2a1marderiiiz7.png

Zobel Spähpanzer (FRG) (http://www.waffenhq.de/panzer/zobel.html)
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7712/sppzzobelsy3.png

I'll probably integrate these (and many more) in a continued-Cold-War OOB mod at some point, so if someone has more of the same kind, I'd be glad to get a share! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[MarkSheppard]

A-12!!!!!

T-95!!!!

Crusader!!

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

[Djuice]

Anyone got a BMP-T Icon? If so can you tell me where its available?

[Djuice]

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6881/bmptmc8.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2880/t72xm0.jpg

My first ever attempted at making icons..

[twoods]

Any chance of obtaining your icons pre-OOB release for personal use? Just thought I'd ask http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[blazejos]

Are good especialy this vehicle with
Tunguska turrent what is the name of this?

[MarkSheppard]

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2186/xm975rolandresizedpx1.gif

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/6606/xm975iconszoomedok8.gif
Icons Zoomed in 200%

I based the icons off of SPCAMO's M109 icons and their French Roland Icons.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/407/rolandzo2.jpg
Test Vehicle

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3215/roland2nf5.jpg
Artwork of it in action

[thatguy96]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/thatguy96/ACH-47.jpg

My first attempt that I'm going to share. Its supposed to be an ACH-47A, hacked from the SPCamo green CH-47, grenade launcher from the UH-1B/C gunship, and modified gun from the MD500 gunships.

[PlasmaKrab]

Reminds me of this one too:

Projected US ADATS on Bradley chassis.
http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/archives/missiles/adats_01.jpg

Here is the icon:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8082/bradleyadatspresoiconqf0.png
With Bradley chassis (c) The Camo Workshop and non-camoed ADATS turret courtesy of Joe Rieger. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[thatguy96]

Here's another link people might find an interesting source:
http://www.amtrac.org/2atmc/Tracs/gen2.asp

[MarkSheppard]

http://www.amtrac.org/2atmc/Tracs/AM18.JPG

LVTAAX1, created using the stock SPCAMO LVTP5 hull icon and a slightly recolored M42 Duster Turret Icon

[RecruitMonty]

Could I have your Marder II please?

[PlasmaKrab]

Here it is! (I've attached the separate icons)

Since I am no authority whatsoever regarding the actual data of the actual thing, I'll let you have your way with the orbat entry! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
I think you can get info on the RH503 autocannon on this Rheinmetall page (http://www.rheinmetall-detec.de/index.php?fid=1508&lang=3&pdb=1).

I've also included a totally fictional improved variant (Marder-2A1 I guess) with add-on armor that makes it look slightly more like a Puma.
The winter camoes are hardly worth anything, I'll redo them at some point and repost them.

[RecruitMonty]

Thanks ever so much. I will enjoy having my way with the ORBAT entires.

[RecruitMonty]

Hey guys. Could I move my what if thread to this one? If so can I do it myself or does someone with more clearance have to do it?

~Scrap that! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif~

[croach]

I recently came across a few Harrier development/replacement ideas while browsing over at greg goebel's air vectors website (http://www.vectorsite.net/indexav.html) and decided to make them:
First the 'Big Wing' Harrier:

The RAF had been considering in parallel a Harrier upgrade proposed by British Aerospace called the "Big Wing" Harrier. This involved a new and bigger wing made of metal and was also known as the "Tin Wing" Harrier. The wing would have been retrofitted to existing Harrier GR.3s and Sea Harriers. However, in 1980 the RAF evaluated the AV-8B design to see if it would meet their requirements instead.


http://www.vectorsite.net/avav8_3_02.png
It seemed like it would be simple to modify the wings of game's Harrier to produce this... and indeed it was. But no sooner had I done that then I stumbled on a proposed Harrier replacement denoted P1216:
http://www.harrier.org.uk/history/images/1216-2a.jpg

So here's the end products (from Left to right standard in game Harrier, tweaked wings to give 'Big Wing' Harrier, P1216):
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/ChristopherRoach/P1216working.png
Couldn't seem to attatch the zip file so looks like anyone interested will need to open and save these two bitmaps:
P1216 (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/ChristopherRoach/P1216.jpg)
'Big Wing' Harrier (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/ChristopherRoach/BigWingHarrier.jpg)

[thatguy96]

I feel the need to bump this thread after finding this report online:

http://stinet.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=0750150&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf

[MarkSheppard]

Reviving this with the M1 Air-Ground Defense System (AGDS) proposed in ARMOR Magazine in 1996:

LINK to PDF of that issue (http://www.benning.army.mil/armor/eARMOR/content/issues/1996/JUL_AUG/ArmorJulyAugust1996web.pdf)

Armament:

2 x ADATS Launcher pods with 6 missiles each, for 12 ready to fire rounds.

2 x 35mm Bushmaster Chain Guns, each armed with a 500 round anti-aircraft primary magazine and a small 50 round anti-armor secondary magazine for 1,000 AA-AHEAD and 100 rds APFSDS total. Can be elevated from 0 degrees to 90 degrees.

This preliminary design was done by a small engineering company that specializes in ammunition handling systems, so it appears to be something designed to show off their automatic ammunition feed system and how it could work at anything from 0-90 elevation.

So far, just a single DESERT icon has been done.

[Steves308]

Thanks for the link to the eArmor site! I used to read these back in the 90s when I was an IT contractor at the Pentagon, but haven't seen them since. Now I have lots of reading to catch up on!