Serpent Cult Pythium

[Nerfix]

I've been interested in theme for a long time, but for some reason I suck furiously with Pythium... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

So, I wonder if you're willing to share your thoughts regarding this theme?

My biggest problem is pretender design...for reason or other it always feels like I'm running out of points with Pythium.

[shovah]

same here, im always tempted towards good scales (which are better with base pythium imo). something ive never tried (but might be fun) is making dual bless hydras. f9 n9 would give them berserk, uber regen, high attack and 9! flaming attacks. another one would be e/n9 w9 which would give reinvig+prot/berserk+regen and QUICKESS (with 9 base attacks that is brutal, too bad they only hit one square)

[quantum_mechani]

Nerfix said:
I've been interested in theme for a long time, but for some reason I suck furiously with Pythium... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

So, I wonder if you're willing to share your thoughts regarding this theme?

My biggest problem is pretender design...for reason or other it always feels like I'm running out of points with Pythium.

Well, they are regarded as one of the weakest themes/nations in the game, even in cb. Some kind of bless seems called for when playing them, but honestly I'm not sure it can be made cost effective base game. If you do though, earth or nature or both are probably the best options.

If we are talking about base game, you should probably just go with standard build GK, and then use it expand and help diversify your magic as soon as possible.

[The_Tauren13]

F9 makes serpent cataphracts well worth the cost, and almost makes hydras worth it. Of course, I always play with mods... with which I think both of those troops are cheaper. Id say your best bet long term is making a bunch of clams... And never forget the lamias. Always good. Lamia queens, too.

[Oversway]

Pythium is among the weakest? Hmmm, I didn't realize that.

For base, I tend to go with an SC that has e4+ the blessing helps communicants survive battles, and earth is a good thing for SCs anyways.

Yeah, serpant cult is pretty tough... hydras just arn't very good, even with a good bless.

[quantum_mechani]

Oversway said:
Pythium is among the weakest? Hmmm, I didn't realize that.




Hmm, misphrased that. I meant to say only serpent cult is one of the weakest.

[Manuk]

e9n9 is the best. maybe earth mother pretender. But serpent cult has weak magic, maybe the weakest. Altough this blessed hydras are the toughest recruited unit in the game and i like it.

[shovah]

what about e9/n9 neifel jarls? they are tough. and yes it has poor magic and expensive units (and by making hydras good you limit your pretenders magic)

[Oversway]

Yeah I think niefels would have a chance to win.

Maybe knights or templars with their lances. White Centaurs maybe.

If you count void summons.... they are tougher http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[shovah]

but tough ones are hard to get (w9 vastness ftw!). my f9 n9 centaurs might be ok vrs hydras multiple (very high strength when berserk) flaming attacks, regen and poison resistance (and my heirophant thugs have 5 attacks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif)

[Oversway]

Its a little unfair to hydras because a n9 partially protects against their poison. They can't get a blessing to protect against fire, cold, or w9 lances http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[shovah]

so, i could say giving the hydras f9 is unfair as it makes them better vrs my naturally higher def centaurs. N9 also gives +3 berserk (up to +6 for centaurs) and regen.

[Tharivol_Street_Prince]

You don't really even need crazy-high blesses for the white centaurs. Dropping battle afflictions let's them get up to 5 experience without becoming useless. 40 White Centaurs, all at full experience with n6b4 handles most things.

[shovah]

yes, but f9 n9 is fun when your heirophants have gloves of the gladiator (4 attacks) horned helmet (5th attack) hoof (6th attack) and ring of regen (item+bless regen). they can self bless, are stealthy and get 6, high atk (and high strength when berserk) flaming attacks (one test game i had one with heroic strength which brought him to 42 strength http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif)

[Vicious Love]

shovah said:
yes, but f9 n9 is fun when your heirophants have gloves of the gladiator (4 attacks) horned helmet (5th attack) hoof (6th attack) and ring of regen (item+bless regen). they can self bless, are stealthy and get 6, high atk (and high strength when berserk) flaming attacks (one test game i had one with heroic strength which brought him to 42 strength http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif)



Wait, #bonus attacks also get an 8 ap flaming attack?

[shovah]

Well they carve through even heavily armoured things (even without berserk) so i think their extra attacks are flaming.