Getting National Heroes - How Long?

[Edi]

So, how long has it taken for you to get your first national hero at the longest?

I don't know if I can claim some kind of record here, but when I played a Coop game with Kaljamaha last week, as BoH Abysia with the CB 5.4 mod, I had my first hero, Rago, show up in a timely fashion - on turn 130. Never saw Ba'al Chozron or Chuzrael, and I wasn't exactly thrilled with this kind of frequency. And I didn't even have misfortune scales. As a rule, I avoid them like the plague, except with BF Ulm which requires 1 misfortune scale.

Edi

[Nerfix]

No idea...but it has sometimes been so long that I even forgot such things exist. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Agrajag]

I had whole games without ever getting a hero, but they all ended before ~turn 80
And in all of them I had either Misfortune 1 or 2

[shovah]

latest: never, won or lost before getting one. earliest: turn 2 or 3(had a few times with angerboda)

[Saxon]

The luck level directly effects the chances of a hero showing up. I remember being surprised at how big an effect it had, but regret I do not remember the exact details. However, if you boost your luck up, you really should be getting them early in play, early enough to count on it. It is a bit unpredictable, but when you boost it, you will get results. You might want to do a search for the details.

It can really help if you get the national hero with high summoning skill for Rhyleh, though I never found out if the luck scales effected the chances of summoning.

[Edi]

The luck effect is pretty damned big.

The best I remember was playing BF Ulm, which has a forced misfortune scale, and getting Burkhard Nachtzehrer the Blood Marshal on turn 2. Now that is something that can give the early game quite the boost...

Edi

[Cainehill]

Of course, that enforced misfortune drops your chance to 2% a turn ( 3% base, +/- 1% per point of luck / misfortune - Misfortune 3 normally means zero chance of getting heroes under normal circumstances ).

But even with Luck-3, I've definately had test games get to at least turn 40 or 50 without a hero, probably real games as well.

[Saxon]

So at Luck +3 you have a 6% a turn of getting a hero? That is double regular luck and three times Luck –1, so it is a big difference.

Of course, you have to combine this with your “real life luck’… In my last game, I was playing Caelum and a very mobile strategy, all flying units. I got the wingless national commander…

[Endoperez]

Saxon said:
So at Luck +3 you have a 6% a turn of getting a hero? That is double regular luck and three times Luck –1, so it is a big difference.

Of course, you have to combine this with your “real life luck’… In my last game, I was playing Caelum and a very mobile strategy, all flying units. I got the wingless national commander…



Caelos isn't much of a priest, and he is quite slow. He has too low hp to be a thug, as well. But what can you except from a wingless bird-man?

The Harab Seraphine is nice, though. I don't remember any others for Caelum, if Return of the Raptors doesn't have any. I haven't played that one much...

[Vicious Love]

Cainehill said:

Of course, that enforced misfortune drops your chance to 2% a turn ( 3% base, +/- 1% per point of luck / misfortune - Misfortune 3 normally means zero chance of getting heroes under normal circumstances ).

But even with Luck-3, I've definately had test games get to at least turn 40 or 50 without a hero, probably real games as well.



I thought the base probability was 1.5%?

[Oversway]

I never get a hero when it would be useful. When I don't need one, they show up.

[Gandalf Parker]

Its a multiplayer game. Random events should be useful but not a game-breaker. MP players tend to want to claim they won by their better strategy not the luck of a player.

Im more of a solo player myself, and Ive created add-ons to throw more random chaos into the game. But I do try to understand that things like PbEM, MultiPlayer, multiple operating systems, all can answer the "why" for many things I wish the game did.

I am happy to see that the MP things seems all ironed out now and solo-play features are being addressed more in the Dom3 version (such as AIs and random maps)

[ioticus]

Me too. I'm primarily a solo gamer so I hope there's a lot of goodies in the solo/AI department.

[NTJedi]

Gandalf Parker said:
MP players tend to want to claim they won by their better strategy not the luck of a player.


Very true... I've been in multiplayer games where my opponent found a magic site to recruit free banes on day_3 and then another magic site to recruit free devils on day_11. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif
Even when I know my fate is death I will fight to the bitter end to experience battles like HelmsDeep. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
Only difference is no rescue arriving... also this allows my opponent to enjoy his victory longer. The opponent is more likely to ally with me in a future game knowing I will fight to the bitter end.


Gandalf Parker said:
I am happy to see that the MP things seems all ironed out now and solo-play features are being addressed more in the Dom3 version (such as AIs and random maps)


I do MP and SP about equally for Dominions... I definitely look forward to the improved AIs and random maps.

[Folket]

If you have 0 luck scale, there is 1.9% chance that you will not have a hero by turn 130. (Given the amount of players and games this is bound to happen for someone.)

If you have 3 luck scale, there is 8.4% chance that you will not have a hero by turn 40.