Frechdachs Returns (finished)

[Bluebird]

After the last Frechdachs game was so much fun, I was thinking about giving it another go. There is no change to the rules, but as you know, every Dom II game is different:


Urgaia Map
15 VPs on the map, 9 to win
Independents: 3
Magic Sites: 60
Common Events
Normal research
Richness: 2
15 HOF entries
Starting Provinces: 1
Renaming Allowed
Master PW set
We start with 24h QH
Conceptual Balance Mod 5.4 ( Link (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/download.php?Number=383903) )


The map says a maximum player number of 6, so that is what I am aiming at.


Bluebird - Ermor
shovah - Mictlan
Reverend Zombie - Vanheim
WraithLord - C'tis
Wish_For_Blood_Slaves - Man


House rules: No Ermor death theme, conceptual balance mod 5.4

Hostname: zoo.in-zueri.ch Port: 8192

<font color="purple">Winner: Bluebird playing Ermor</font>

[shovah]

I'll be in with jotun or possibly ctis.

[Reverend Zombie]

I'd like to play as Vanheim, please.

[WraithLord]

What is Frechdachs, Is it like the Schlitzhor game?

Anyhow, I'd also like in please, as Ctis and if Ctis is taken then as Pythium.

[shovah]

ok, sry wraith but ive decided i'll be ctis (would be different if it was your birthday but...)

[WraithLord]

Man I missed getting Ctis by a day http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
NP Shovah, I'll take Pythium instead.

[Bluebird]

WraithLord said:
What is Frechdachs, Is it like the Schlitzhor game?




See this game (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=398708&amp;page=&amp;view=&amp;sb=5&amp;o =&amp;fpart=all&amp;vc=1). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif

[Bluebird]

BTW - I think I will pick Ermor.

[shovah]

I would like to change to mictlan

[Wish]

I will elect to play as jotunhiem

[WraithLord]

shovah said:
I would like to change to mictlan



Shovah, does it mean that you give up your claim for Ctis?
If so, I would like to re elect my first choice to play Ctis.

thanks.

[shovah]

yes, i took pity on you mortal.

[Wish]

on second thought, I might rather have man.

[WraithLord]

shovah said:
yes, i took pity on you mortal.


http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

So it's settled, one hot Ctis for me, one frozen Jotun for you.

[Bluebird]

Gee - this is starting to confuse me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I hope I get all the updates right.

BTW - the host is up and waiting for your uploads. I think the game will be good, even if we do not manage to find a sixth person. I would like to start Monday next week, if that is ok with everybody.

Looks like everybody is waiting for the Dom3 release. /threads/images/Graemlins/Envy.gif I have already pre-ordered 2 copies, but I do not want to wait until then. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[WraithLord]

Yes, it is good that this is a six player game.

*uploaded pretender*

[Bluebird]

My pretender has been uploaded, too ;-)

[Reverend Zombie]

I'll be uploading shortly.

[Bluebird]

Here we go, the game has been started - have fun everybody.

[Wish]

ooh, good starting position http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Bluebird]

Tell me where, and I will visit you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[WraithLord]

Bluebird said:
Here we go, the game has been started - have fun everybody.

Thanks, and unless I'm mistaken this is the last DOM-II MP game (at least in the shrapnel forums) which makes it kind of unique http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Bluebird]

We will see - Dom3 has not yet been released. And even then, it takes some time until all copies have been distributed in sufficient quantities.

Also, I hope that I can get some update on the implemented protocol, so that I am able to update my 'Gods Eye' tool to Dom3.

[Wish]

yeah, and I hope mods are not too difficult to adapt to dom 3, I'd hate to have no one ever play with the mod I am currently working on.

[Bluebird]

BTW - I am creating a log of the game for a nice AAR. If anybody else will also take up the work, I think this would be very nice. I would collect them and display them side-by-side.

[WraithLord]

New turn, # 3.

[shovah]

i find the server to be in a state of down-ness

[Wish]

seems to be up for me.

[shovah]

its back up.

[Bluebird]

Hmm - the server was up all the time (uptime of the host is 204 days). But I know that the ISP has problems once in a while. These problems should go away after some time (30 min).

[shovah]

new turn is up

[Bluebird]

Hmm - interesting game. Is Man all alone on the western peninsula? Looks like Mictlan and Vanheim have already started to rip each-other apart.

C'tis, are you also involved in this?

Did I mention that Frechdachs games tend to become fast paced and rather ugly?

[shovah]

Its me and van, no ctis and yes man is alone down there to my knowledge.

[Wish]

yes, I have it to myself. yet to take the arcipelageos.

Of course what that means is, since I will have 6 victory points, that whoever wishes to win will HAVE to take some of them from me eventually.

[Bluebird]

Hmm - there are 15 VP and 9 are needed. If my math is right, that makes it possible to win without "our" 6 points.

The open question is: why did Mictlan expand to the west, where he/she/it has to face 3 other players, instead of going east where there is only one ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Wish]

we have an NAP. met so early that we decided it wasn't worth depleting eachother's resources to have it out.

[shovah]

just waiting for wraithlord with about 5 hours to go.

[WraithLord]

Thanks for waiting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Turn's up.

[Reverend Zombie]

Fie upon C'tis for breaking our NAP without warning!

[Bluebird]

That is nasty - shame on you, WraithLord! Kicking somebody already down.

[WraithLord]

A. I have sent an in game message warning that I'm canceling the NAP on turn 12!
B. I will never break a NAP w/o warning!
C. You can check with most MP players on these forums that I am a man of my word.
D. Hey, I even have all of my turns saved so I can actually prove it. So shame on you for blaming me in vain!

[EDIT] Oh, and bluebird, I didn't take you for the judgmental type, I would suggest that you learn to be less reckless with you acusations.

[Wish]

it pays to read all your messages!

[shovah]

But not many do, its the sneaky mans way to declare war.

[WraithLord]

shovah said:
But not many do, its the sneaky mans way to declare war.

Could be so, though I certainly had no intention of being sneaky, lazy?!- could be, but certainly not sneaky.

And BTW, I always read all my in game messages, I was assuming everyone does.

[Reverend Zombie]

WraithLord said:
D. Hey, I even have all of my turns saved so I can actually prove it. So shame on you for blaming me in vain!




Prove it and the shame will indeed be upon me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

The only message I recall from you is the warning that you gave that you wanted to take province 9, or some such. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[WraithLord]

Reverend Zombie said:

WraithLord said:
D. Hey, I even have all of my turns saved so I can actually prove it. So shame on you for blaming me in vain!




Prove it and the shame will indeed be upon me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

The only message I recall from you is the warning that you gave that you wanted to take province 9, or some such. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif



Reverend Zombie, look men , I really respect you but you are completely wrong on this one. I did send a message to you on turn 10 asking if your capitol is province 9 (I don't want to give your answer as to not betray this information here), then on turn 12 I have sent a second message to you canceling the NAP.

I have no problem to prove it, anyone with the master password can verify it for I can email my saved turn.

[Bluebird]

WraithLord said:
Oh, and bluebird, I didn't take you for the judgmental type, I would suggest that you learn to be less reckless with you acusations.




I am really sorry you got my message wrong. Actually, I forgot a major smily behind it. Deception and betrayal is part of the game, so my statement was more an ironic one. So - here is the smile http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[shovah]

hey bluebird, did you get my pm? i sent it like 5 turns ago so i'll guess no. Ill resend

[WraithLord]

Bluebird said:

WraithLord said:
Oh, and bluebird, I didn't take you for the judgmental type, I would suggest that you learn to be less reckless with you acusations.




I am really sorry you got my message wrong. Actually, I forgot a major smily behind it. Deception and betrayal is part of the game, so my statement was more an ironic one. So - here is the smile http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



I've probably over reacted - so sorry for that. It just that I once had this unpleasent incident in an AOW-SM PBEM that had turned ugly, so I was somewhat on guard.

So here I am returning your smile in kind http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Jurri]

Can you actually see the messages you have sent from your own turn? As I understand it, you'd need the good Reverend's turn for that! I guess you could see from the .2h file the number of messages that have been sent, but not what their content is, for what that's worth.
/threads/images/Graemlins/Peace.gif

[WraithLord]

Jurri said:
Can you actually see the messages you have sent from your own turn? As I understand it, you'd need the good Reverend's turn for that! I guess you could see from the .2h file the number of messages that have been sent, but not what their content is, for what that's worth.
/threads/images/Graemlins/Peace.gif

You have a point there. So if neither the host nor Reverend had saved the turn then there's no way to prove this (other then seeing that I did send a message). I've learnt my lesson then, next time either PM or email, as the in game messaging system is somewhat unreliable (albeit under those quite rare circumstances).

Oh, it's probably possible to hack the .2h file to find the exact message (even if its in binary format, usually strings are saved as are), so actually there should be a way to prove it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[shovah]

I think ermor might want to kill me, we have a wide border, hes massing troops beside me and dosnt reply to my mesages.

[Wish]

I guess that means I better mass some monks, for when he gets to me.

[shovah]

yea, he has loads of ghouls and cultists and a golden naga iirc.

[Wish]

show him what for, shovah!

[Bluebird]

shovah said:
I think ermor might want to kill me, we have a wide border, hes massing troops beside me and dosnt reply to my mesages.



It is just too easy to overlook the little mail marker at the top of the forum; sometimes it might be better to send an in-game message, but I think we had this discussion before. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

It is true that you have a nice, long, open border with my territory. I have not yet made my mind up on what to do and have not committed myself to any cause.

In the long run, I only care about what is happening to Man (our land of death and decay has never been a fan of these animal loving Woodmen).

Update: I have now enabled e-mail notifications on PMs, so I hope that I will react better to PMs in the future.

[Wish]

well I am pretty much done expanding. I expected shovah to close off the northern passage of independants by now.

So we might end up with a border anyway, bluebird.

[Reverend Zombie]

WraithLord said:

Reverend Zombie said:

WraithLord said:
D. Hey, I even have all of my turns saved so I can actually prove it. So shame on you for blaming me in vain!




Prove it and the shame will indeed be upon me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

The only message I recall from you is the warning that you gave that you wanted to take province 9, or some such. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif



Reverend Zombie, look men , I really respect you but you are completely wrong on this one.



Be that as it may, my accusation was made in good faith. Proof to the contrary is apparently not forthcoming. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

The game was bound to be short for some of the players, so no hard feelings, in any event. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[shovah]

Wish_For_Blood_Slaves said:
well I am pretty much done expanding. I expected shovah to close off the northern passage of independants by now.

So we might end up with a border anyway, bluebird.



I considered that action but i had my sights set on van and due to our nap sealing you in would give you ample time to mobilise your forces againsts the eastern side of the mictlan empire.

[Wish]

yeah, those provinces have enough income that I will take them myself, and then ermor and I can have RELATIONS

[Bluebird]

"RELATIONS" - wanna a NAP with me, Wish_For_Blood_Slaves? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Wish]

is it... is it a SEXY NAP?

[shovah]

I tihnk i know how this games going to happen:
1: ctis expands to sea
2: i get dominion killed by mans stealthy preaching and ermor takes my empire then proceeds to crush ctis's land armies
3: either man or ermor proceeds to crush ctis
4: man makes a rush for some vp's so ermor dosnt auto-win (or maybe man just took some of mine when i was dominion killed)
5: big fight between man and ermor, one of them wins the game



o yea, a new turns up

[Wish]

Nah, I am not stealth preaching, but my 6 VP do make for a pretty stong dominion.

[WraithLord]

shovah said:
I tihnk i know how this games going to happen:
1: ctis expands to sea
2: i get dominion killed by mans stealthy preaching and ermor takes my empire then proceeds to crush ctis's land armies
3: either man or ermor proceeds to crush ctis
4: man makes a rush for some vp's so ermor dosnt auto-win (or maybe man just took some of mine when i was dominion killed)
5: big fight between man and ermor, one of them wins the game



o yea, a new turns up


Prophetizing here won't help your dominion http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Oh, and I totaly agree with your last statement http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Bluebird]

Na - once all others are off the map, Hellspawn and I are discovering the good side of our souls, will make peace and live happily ever after. But of course only _after_ Mictlan and C'tis are off the map ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Wish]

don't think I am overlooking you trying to sneak up on my victory point from inside the sea, ermor.

[Bluebird]

No, I do not. I am just trying my very best to win this game. But only time will tell.

[Wish]

That was a pretty even fight, all things considered. Kind of wish I got more of your commanders.

[Bluebird]

Yup, your horde of priests was taking down my undead like flies. On the other hand, I was not expecting to win using undeads anyway. On the other hand, the magic beings you killed did hurt.

Still, I always have problems to get my troops properly organized.

[Wish]

yeah, I'll have to see what I can do about that naga.

[Bluebird]

Oh, that Naga? I was not expecting to use my pretender much in battle anyway - of course I do not know what pretender I have to fear from you (except that he is F9, as I can see from your blessed troops).

[shovah]

New turns up, sorry for delay. And i know what mans pretender is, maybe a little bribe could open my lips (unlikely, youve either seen it yourself or will soon)

[Bluebird]

Too late for the bribe. There are few things that an astral window on his capital cannot reveal. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[shovah]

things such as his shoe size?

ps: bluebirds a perv http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif spying on people like that

[Bluebird]

Ha - proof - you do not know nothing about his pretender. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif "It" obviously does not have a shoe size!!

BTW - I have to announce that I will not be in town between Saturday morning and Tuesday evening (CEST). If the game is not over until then, then I will have to stop the clock. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[shovah]

I wasnt talking about his pretender, i was talking about him.

[Wish]

mens 12.5 (american)!!!

yeah, the name of the pretender is designed to be misleading http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Bluebird]

As I will be away over the weekend (up to Tuesday, which is a national holiday here in Switzerland), have disabled the timeout. So we are on quickhost only. I will continue to do moved until I leave.

[Wish]

ermors getting close to winning by victory points. I certainly can't hold them off forever.

[shovah]

well sincei KNOW i wont win may aswell go out with a bang, naps with man+ermor cancelled.

[Bluebird]

Is this a 3 turn cancel or a "cancel now"?

[shovah]

you know the answer http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Bluebird]

I am back and the clock is turned on again. Is Vanheim still with us or has he given up any hope? If it is so, I could just switch him to auto.

[WraithLord]

Congrats Bluebird!

I should have guarded my VPs better http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Bluebird]

Yes, Mans defense really gave me a hard time, and only by taking over your VPs, I was able to push beyond the limit of 9 VPs.

This was really a nice game and the very first one that I ever won. If anybody is interested is a summary of the game, I have prepared a log of all my moves.

[Bluebird]

Ok - the AAR has been posted on http://www.fams.de/f-r.html

Any comments are welcome, and if anybody has more reports, please post them here. I really would be interested in seeing the game from another perspective.

Also, I think I have a backup of the game some turns ago. If nobody objects, I could rewind to that backup, switch of the timer and publish the master password.

The Frechdachs games seem to be fast paced and really nice. Would anybody else still be interested in another round? Dominions III still has not gone gold and I think we can have another round before everybody switched to the new, improved version. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Wish]

I would like to try it again, yes. but with a different nation. have to think on which one though.

[Reverend Zombie]

Absolutely, count me in!

[KissBlade]

I would liek to join as well. =)

[shovah]

I'll join in as ctis please, kind of sad that this ended before i could use my fully equipped archdevil though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Wish]

blue make a new thread on it, so as to differentiate

[Bluebird]

Sure - just give me some time ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif And KissBlade, of course you are welcome to join.

[KissBlade]

I call Ryleh =D.

[Bluebird]

Ok, game description of Frechdachs On Edge is posted at this location (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Number=437182). The server is up and running and awaiting your uploads.