found(ed) wiki

[Horst F. JENS]

I found a place to start a dominions3 wiki:
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening
. The hosting site http://strategywiki.org seem to be a fork of www.wikipedia.org (http://www.wikipedia.org), can use wikipedia content and is run under the GNU Free Documentation License. The place is free from google ads.
I plan to collect on this place some forum wisdom (tactics, god design etc) and make a new sub-wiki-page for each of the many nations of dom3.
I will start a dom3 entry on wikipedia as soon as i have dom3 in my hands. The wikipedia article will just describe the game; the strategywiki articles will be a place for walkthrougs and tactics discussion.

[Nerfix]

I aprove. I'll lend some help when I get Dom 3 (demo). I thought of writing a demo guide to gamefaqs, so I'll let you also use it.

[DominionsFan]

Hello Horst, I will try to help to update the wiki also. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[Meglobob]

As a complete Dominions newbie, I will do my bit as well by reading it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Horst F. JENS]

Thanks for all the help ! Does anyone remember the exact release day of dominoinsPPP and dominions2 ?

[DominionsFan]

I was fixing some typos in the wiki. I guess we should start to add nation/troop/etc. informations after the game has been released. Until then, we should only make cosmetic changes mostly.

[Nerfix]

Sounds like a plan.

[Caduceus]

Fixing typos in wiki.

[Morkilus]

Play for fun, winning is an optional side-effect. Do things just because you can. You play a god, after all. Become a bit erratic, just for a change. Take the loss of faith in one of your provinces very personally. Punish a whole province with high taxes. Add blood hunting. Let your troops pillage this province. Create a horrible demon and let him quell revolts (if there is still population left). That will teach 'em !



Heh heh, nice.

[Nerfix]

Dom I style god desing competition/project would be very cool. I would need Gandalf's Wayback Machine to show what they were like though.

[Annette]

Horst F. JENS said:
Does anyone remember the exact release day of dominoinsPPP and dominions2 ?


Not sure about PPP, but Dominions 2 was released November 13, 2003.

[Nerfix]

Dominions: PPP came out in 2000 something. IIRC.

[Nerfix]

Perhaps it could be good to add a short description of the game to the article?

[DominionsFan]

Nerfix said:
Dominions: PPP came out in 2000 something. IIRC.



Hm...no clue but I've started to play with it in late 2001.
I was a small kiddo. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

*edit*


- I've just updated the Nations list in the wiki [I hope that I haven't missed any]
- Added the Eras
- Added some categories.

Morkilus has uploaded some pictures for the nations. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[Caduceus]

Started an Abbreviation list on the Things to Know sub-page.

Other grammar corrections made.

[Horst F. JENS]

Hi i just waked up and checked the dom3-wiki... I'm stunned, so much work was done over the night ! Thanks for fixing all my typos. I will try to make domPPP dom3 wikipedia entrys and dom1, dom2 and dom3 strategywiki-short-descriptions as soon as i find time / get dom3 in my hands. Sadly, i suck at short descriptions.

Does anyone remember this wonderful nation-discussion text for DomPPP and Dom2 ? Sadly, just a few nations were discussed, but in great detail, discussing advantages and problems as well as comparing with other nations and giving valuable tactic hints. I read those guides several times and always learned something new. Hopefully such nation discussion will find its way into the dom3 strategywiki...for each nation *shudder with anticipation*.

[Arralen]

Concerning Dom 3:

- it "Ages", not "Eras" ..

- not every nation is playable in every age, as some disappear completely and others get replaced over the course of the history.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to give more details, at least before Oct. 2nd ... .

I would suggest, though, to join the wiki entries for "Eras" ("Ages", resp.) and "Nations".



- water magic doesn't allow going underwater any more ('was mentioned here on the forum somewhere) => God Design

[DominionsFan]

Arralen said:
Concerning Dom 3:

- it "Ages", not "Eras" ..

- not every nation is playable in every age, as some disappear completely and others get replaced over the course of the history.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to give more details, at least before Oct. 2nd ... .

I would suggest, though, to join the wiki entries for "Eras" ("Ages", resp.) and "Nations".



- water magic doesn't allow going underwater any more ('was mentioned here on the forum somewhere) => God Design




Okay I've fixed these things. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Horst F. JENS]

water magic fixed. Thanks for the insider info.

[DominionsFan]

Horst F. JENS said:
water magic fixed. Thanks for the insider info.




Okay I've updated the wiki. Added sub-categories schools & paths of magic, merged the nations list and the ages, and fixed a few things.

[Nerfix]

Wonderful work guys. I'm gonna add stuff to the magic section when I get home if no-one is faster than me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Endoperez]

Horst F. JENS said:Does anyone remember this wonderful nation-discussion text for DomPPP and Dom2 ? Sadly, just a few nations were discussed, but in great detail, discussing advantages and problems as well as comparing with other nations and giving valuable tactic hints. I read those guides several times and always learned something new. Hopefully such nation discussion will find its way into the dom3 strategywiki...for each nation *shudder with anticipation*.



I think this is from a virtual cornucopia of information, SunrayBe's Dominions site.

www.freewebs.com/dominions2 (http://www.freewebs.com/dominions2)

BTW, it's "virtual" only because it's online.

[DominionsFan]

Wiki has been updated again. Cosmetic changes only. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[Nerfix]

I'm writing the paths of magic at the moment

[Nerfix]

Done with the paths. You others are free to poke with & correct them if you feel like it/see an error.

[DominionsFan]

Nerfix said:
I'm writing the paths of magic at the moment




Nice work. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Nerfix]

DominionsFan said:

Nerfix said:
I'm writing the paths of magic at the moment




Nice work. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Thank you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Nerfix]

Perhaps Blessings should be under the God design part?

And perhaps there should be a page with screenies. Because screenies are always hot.

For those interested, check out my user page. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

And perhaps what now is under God Design page could be moved to Physical Form with added stuff about what forms are suited for what, and God Design page itself would contain more generic stuff about God Design...

[DominionsFan]

Nerfix said:
Perhaps Blessings should be under the God design part?

And perhaps there should be a page with screenies. Because screenies are always hot.

For those interested, check out my user page. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

And perhaps what now is under God Design page could be moved to Physical Form with added stuff about what forms are suited for what, and God Design page itself would contain more generic stuff about God Design...



Hm...I think that blessings are a part of magic. I don't know if it should be moved under God design or not, any other opinions?

Anyways I've added more categories and updated some datas meanwhile.

[Nerfix]

Blessings are part of the God design, so I think it should be under it.

[DominionsFan]

Nerfix said:
Blessings are part of the God design, so I think it should be under it.




Hm....true, lets move blessings under God design/Paths of Magic.
I've also moved "Things to Know" above Nations.

[DominionsFan]

*Shrugs*

DrBob, please fix what you've made. You removed General Magic infos and the text from it is on the top of the main page.
I would do it, but I must go really fast. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Nerfix]

Boy, we are on a roll! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

BTW I made a page for magic sites/special sites.

[Endoperez]

Go for it! In about two weeks, you'll get the manual. At that point, I think the manual will be plain better than your wiki, but eventually you should be able to better it with sheer quantity on material. Eventually. Perhaps after a year or so. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Nerfix]

Finished the Blessings. Hoo boy.

[BigJMoney]

The manual might be better than the wiki, but one thing the wiki can do is offer two things:

#1 Demo players can have a little insight on what to expect from the full version.

#2 A link from the true Dom3 wiki page will mean people curious about the game who have never even played the demo will have a lot of intruiging info at their tips. I've found that strategy gamers love to read about the details of a game, and this could get them hooked.

Anyway, I'm not good at starting wikis, but I like editing them. Whenever someone gets the chance, Dom3 needs its wiki on wikipedia typed up. The DomII wiki might make a good example.

=$= Big J Money =$=

[Morkilus]

Nerfix said in the Wiki:
Magic sites can occasionaly be found in great number in one province as every site increses the chance that the province contains another magic site.



This is new to me. Is this in Dom2, or is this a new feature?

On the topic of the Wiki, it's probably good to stick to it as a strategy guide instead of trying to create an online manual. General information is okay, especially for n00bz, but as an overall goal, it might be good to try to make it a general repository for strictly strategic information. I like the idea of going through nation/God creation and the first few turns, as this will usually determine where you will end up later on. But we should in no way have an entry for every spell, magic item, unit... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif

That said, of course I don't even have the game, but would hope that some of the Dom2 experience carries over. If we can get some good topics about specific strategies, perhaps some of the beta testers wouldn't mind checking it out.

[BigJMoney]

Agreed. Although, I do think we should include stuff that isn't in the manual, but could have been, such as numerology.

=$=

[Nerfix]

Besides, this could make some Strategywiki people interested in Dominions 3...

Morkilus, it has been like that ever since Dom1

[Endoperez]

Morkilus said:

Nerfix said in the Wiki:
Magic sites can occasionaly be found in great number in one province as every site increses the chance that the province contains another magic site.



This is new to me. Is this in Dom2, or is this a new feature?



For me, too. Can anyone quarantee it? Anyone remember hearing about it anywhere?

[Nerfix]

I remember hearing it way back ago.

[DominionsFan]

We are doing great with the wiki so far. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif
However imo it was a bit pointless to upload the infos about the blessings, because we don't know the exact Doms 3. blessing effects. That is why I haven't updated that part of the wiki until we can try it ourselves in the final game.

[PhilD]

Endoperez said:

For me, too. Can anyone quarantee it? Anyone remember hearing about it anywhere?



Isn't this something like, for each province the game rolls dice, and if it is successful a site is added, and the dice are rerolled (up to 4 sites max)?

I think to remember something like that. Then, with "obvious" sites (level 0, that you find without searching), it might be a consequence (with the proper parameters, I'm not 100% sure) that a province with an obvious site has a higher probability of having a hidden one than a province with no obvious sites.

[DominionsFan]

I've updated the wiki again with lot of infos and sub-sections. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[Wick]

Sites in Dom I increased the chance of another site in the sense that if slot one was empty then there couldn't be anything in slot two and so on, so if you found a site in slot four then there had to be three more sites. It stopped meaning anything when Dom II hid the slots.

[Horst F. JENS]

Thanks for all the hard work. I did little wiki pages for illwinter and shrapnelgames. Does anyone know the exact founding date of those companys ? (day/month/year) ?

[DominionsFan]

Horst F. JENS said:
Thanks for all the hard work. I did little wiki pages for illwinter and shrapnelgames. Does anyone know the exact founding date of those companys ? (day/month/year) ?



Send a PM to Kris, he will surely tell it to you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[DominionsFan]

I've added the scales of dominion, and as I see Nerfix is working on the weapons. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif
This wiki will be excellent.

[Caduceus]

It might be in the shrapnel main page, 1998 seems to be the date I have in my mind for founding of Shrapnel.

EDIT: 1999. Just like the classic TV show http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



And so in 1999 Tim Brooks could either complain that the corporate accountants were taking away his passion or he could do something about it. He did something about it. In 1999 he formed Shrapnel Games, headquartered in picturesque Cary, North Carolina.




Shrapnel About Us Page (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/about.htm)

[Horst F. JENS]

thank you Caduceus , i was already looking at the Shrapnel About Us Page.
I could use more precise information (about Illwinter and Shrapnel) founding dates in the form of (Day/Month/Year). That is because strategywiki has categorys for each day of the year. (maybe to make a game-birthday function)

[Annette]

Shrapnel Games opened it's virtual doors July 9, 1999.

[Horst F. JENS]

Thank you Anette !
Updated the strategywiki entry about shrapnelgames:
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Category:Shrapnel_Games

[Nerfix]

I would like to announce that all pages currently appearing on the List of Contents are now filled. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Of course updating will follow in the future. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[DominionsFan]

Nerfix said:
I would like to announce that all pages currently appearing on the List of Contents are now filled. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Of course updating will follow in the future. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif




Ah nice job Nerfix!! Sadly I had no time on the weekend to edit the wiki. Of course we will update it when the game is out, also I think that I had some ideas what to add before the game is out.
I will figure out that what was I thinking about, because I forgot about it on the weekend. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif

[Nerfix]

Ah, it's ok. I'm not putting a bit of stuff to the nations.

[Horst F. JENS]

added link to Sun Zu's "The art of war" in the "things to know" -> "things to read" section.

[Endoperez]

Horst F. JENS said:
added link to Sun Zu's "The art of war" in the "things to know" -> "things to read" section.



Does it have all the wonderful mentions about the age of Spring & Autumn, and history of China, etc? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif I'll have to find my Finnish copy again. I've misplaced it.

[Nerfix]

It does mention chariots. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Kristoffer O]

I've checked out when we were registered as a company here in Sweden. It would seem we have our fifth birthday tomorrow !!!

Illwinter Game Design was registered as a company 2001-09-27

Thanks for making me check it out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Nerfix]

Oooh, this calls for a part. Happy 5th birthday!

What do you think of the Wiki itself?

[Kristoffer O]

It's looking great! Very ambitious.

[Nerfix]

Well, with these projects one needs a bit of ambition don't you agree? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[PDF]

This wiki is very nice! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I edited the Paths and Scales section to add (useful IMHO) informations about the path and dominion strength "cumulative costs" in design points.
I hope it's not too "nitpicky" on such a page ?

[Nerfix]

I have yet to check it, but I don't think it will be. The more the better.

EDIt: Checked it. It's all good, very useful information.

[Horst F. JENS]

PDF said:
I hope it's not too "nitpicky" on such a page ?



No. This wiki is *the* place to go into details.

[PDF]

Thanks !
Maybe I'll soon update the nation list so it'll be the real one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[DominionsFan]

PDF said:
Thanks !
Maybe I'll soon update the nation list so it'll be the real one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



What do you mean on real one?

[PDF]

DominionsFan said:

PDF said:
Thanks !
Maybe I'll soon update the nation list so it'll be the real one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



What do you mean on real one?



Currently the wiki list is off : at least the early era list is wrong, there is no more Man LotT... Maybe it's the only error, but I've only read the top !

[DominionsFan]

Ah I see. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Anyways I am updating the wiki now. I've just added Treasury/Income/Upkeep with informations.
Also I am adding unit attributes right now.

[PDF]

DominionsFan said:
Ah I see. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Anyways I am updating the wiki now. I've just added Treasury/Income/Upkeep with informations.
Also I am adding unit attributes right now.



Hey you're like me, mistaking this place for a chat ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

About unit attributes, Sunray (kind of unofficial Dom beta, occasional poster here..) is currently designing a complete spreadsheet showing all recruitable units attributes (update of the existing one he made for Dom2). Some nations have already been done, it'll be better to coordinate efforts...

Send me a pm so I'll fwd the file and keep you in touch with Sunray http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Nerfix]

I think he ment that he is making a generic list of what the unit attributes like Attack, Defence, Protection etc. do.

[PDF]

Nerfix said:
I think he ment that he is making a generic list of what the unit attributes like Attack, Defence, Protection etc. do.


Ah ok, didn't get it. We aren't working on that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

BTW I've just updated the early era nations list, enjoy ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[DominionsFan]

Nerfix said:
I think he ment that he is making a generic list of what the unit attributes like Attack, Defence, Protection etc. do.



Yeap I've just added those indeed with basic descriptions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Thanks for the corrections in the Eras section PDF! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[Horst F. JENS]

R'lyeh: links to wikipedia and wikisource entrys about Lovecraft (and his books) added.
I could use some help with this {wikipedia template} function. (*If* it works, it makes a pretty white box and a wikipedia symbol).

[Horst F. JENS]

Finally started the wikipedia entry for dominions3 while waiting for the game to appear in my mailbox.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening

[Nerfix]

Good good. =)

[Unwise]

I took a whack at doing a nation summary. Take a gander at Early Era Ulm:

http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Early_Era_-_Ulm%2C_Enigma_of_Steel

Fairly sparse, but I submit it as a potential standard. Be sure to create the category back-links when creating new pages... I failed to do so for the first page, and there is no easy way to go back and fix that.

[BigJMoney]

Hehe, I had to change the DomII reference to "Dominions II" since that is the proper title.

=$=

[BigJMoney]

@Unwise

Your best strategic advice in the whole section is the bit at the end about how to deal with your SO. You must have centuries of experience, master.

By the way, happy 69th post. /threads/images/Graemlins/Balloons.gif/threads/images/Graemlins/Panda.gif/threads/images/Graemlins/Balloons.gif

=$=

[Horst F. JENS]

Hello Unwise,
i admired your work at the strategywiki about Ulm - Early Era. Unfortunatly, the page was not a sub-page of the Dominions3 - page and not linked to it. One of the strategywiki-admins has deleted the page seconds before i was able to move it to the correct position: http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions3:_The_Awakening/Ulm
I contacted one admin and hope he will be able to resurrect your site. (I liked especially the part about the SO).

I know this is very unfortunate, but please don't stop contributing to the wikis.

You maybe want to consider working first on www.wikipedia.org (http://www.wikipedia.org) before diving into strategywiki.

Wikipedia has a better help system, more explained guidelines as well as an 24/7 online-chat-help system.

Wikipedia entry about dom3 that could use more information (specs of the manual, system requirements, SHORT description of the game) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom3

Please make Strategywiki entrys about Dom3-stuff as sub-entrys of http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions3:_The_Awakening

for example, to link from the strategywiki entry about dominions3 to a not-yet-existing sub-page about "Dwarven Hammer" make an link like:
[[/Dwarven_Hammer/]]

sorry again for the trouble.
-Horst

[Horst F. JENS]

strategywiki problem solved, DrBob moved the site to a more correct location: http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening/Early_Era_-_Ulm%2C_Enigma_of_Steel

[DominionsFan]

Why is the table of contents on a new page now? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif
Imho it was better on the starting page.

[Horst F. JENS]

Hi DominionsFan, i moved it to the "correct" position (see also the discussion page) to make the Show/Hide link on the topright corner work correctly. There existed two different Table of contents before (the "official" one with the blue show/hide link and the "false" one on the front page). I tryed to sync those two tables of Content but it was a ugly work. In my Opinion it is better to concentrate on one table of content, the "official" one (supported by the blue show/hide link and also the blue top menu). In this way, every user is able to hide/display the Table of Content from the wiki front page at will. Before, it always eated up a lot of space with redunant information.
Doing so will also help to make strategywiki more streamlined and professional looking. Please try syncing the two different tables yourself and you will see what i mean.

[DominionsFan]

Horst F. JENS said:
Hi DominionsFan, i moved it to the "correct" position (see also the discussion page) to make the Show/Hide link on the topright corner work correctly. There existed two different Table of contents before (the "official" one with the blue show/hide link and the "false" one on the front page). I tryed to sync those two tables of Content but it was a ugly work. In my Opinion it is better to concentrate on one table of content, the "official" one (supported by the blue show/hide link and also the blue top menu). In this way, every user is able to hide/display the Table of Content from the wiki front page at will. Before, it always eated up a lot of space with redunant information.
Doing so will also help to make strategywiki more streamlined and professional looking. Please try syncing the two different tables yourself and you will see what i mean.



Ah finally I've found that show/hide thing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
Yeah this is good as it is now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Unwise]

About a third of the way through my effort I realized that I had not properly made the pages sub-pages of the previous sections, and as I noted in my previous post, there did not seem to be any way to easily fix it without deleting and re-creating everything.

Thanks for your efforts in keeping the stuff, I now know how to do it properly.

[Taqwus]

Hm. Occurs to me that it shouldn't be too detailed -- we want it to be a good description of the game, something for a prospective buyer or for somebody looking for discussion/details, but not a replacement for the manual.

[DominionsFan]

Taqwus said:
Hm. Occurs to me that it shouldn't be too detailed -- we want it to be a good description of the game, something for a prospective buyer or for somebody looking for discussion/details, but not a replacement for the manual.



Hm, why is that a problem if it is too detailed? I think that more details = happier people. In fact take a look at Sunray's site for example. It is excellent because it contains lot of infos about Dominions 2. for example.

[GamerMan12]

I agree, the Wiki should be detailed, just with detail that is not in the manual. The Wiki can explain things that are just glossed over in the manual - it can have various play strategies and reason swhy the game is worth playing.
As well as a general friendly intro to the game

GM12

[Taqwus]

DominionsFan --

Mostly to avoid making it too easy for those who obtain unauthorized copies of the game, that's all.

We might also want spoiler warnings at some point. *shrug*

[DominionsFan]

Taqwus said:
DominionsFan --

Mostly to avoid making it too easy for those who obtain unauthorized copies of the game, that's all.

We might also want spoiler warnings at some point. *shrug*



Hm unauthorized copies? What is that means exactly? You mean illegal copies?
Hm....but wait those people can also read the various PDF files and sites like Sunray's.

[Unwise]

I think if people are going through the trouble of getting an illegal copy and obtaining a CD key through nefarious means, then denying easy access to a site that gives them tips on how to play Pangaea is not going to help or hinder their life of crime significantly.

I think the purpose of the Wiki is to provide an easily searchable resource for generic questions that are not to be readily found in the manual:

What is the best magic item path to take a mage from Earth-2 to Earth-5?

What are the national heroes for late-era Ermor?

What maps has Jason Lutes done?

What is a "Blitz Game"?

What Super Combattant chassis have people had success with?

[Taqwus]

*shrug* True enough.

Although 'best' is going to start fights. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Nerfix]

Hahaha, yeah, but I think that mentioning several different aproaches and their advantages and disadvantages is good. =)

[DominionsFan]

Unwise said:
I think if people are going through the trouble of getting an illegal copy and obtaining a CD key through nefarious means, then denying easy access to a site that gives them tips on how to play Pangaea is not going to help or hinder their life of crime significantly.

I think the purpose of the Wiki is to provide an easily searchable resource for generic questions that are not to be readily found in the manual:

What is the best magic item path to take a mage from Earth-2 to Earth-5?

What are the national heroes for late-era Ermor?

What maps has Jason Lutes done?

What is a "Blitz Game"?

What Super Combattant chassis have people had success with?



Heh true. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Caduceus]

Just a bump to bring this to new players' attention.

[Morkilus]

So now we need some content! We have decent strategy discussions on Golden Age Arco and Kailasa. Who wants to take on another? We have, uh, like fifty left to go. Alternative strategies are welcome as well, I imagine. Here's the link to the nations page so you can navigate. Note that some are subsumed under others, i.e., you'll find Helheim under Vanheim sorta like in the official manual.

Strategy Wiki Dom3 Nations Page (http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening/Nations)

[upstreamedge]

I think that we should get more than numbers in the wiki, for instance I have found that Warriors of the Five Elements (Tien'Chi EA) are very effective as early game anti mages. Basically what I am trying to say is we should get little snipits of info that detail how a unit functions in a practical situation. I know that made no sense, but I tried

[Morkilus]

No, you make perfect sense! This is exactly what I think we should have in the nation section; stuff like recruit lists and castle types are covered in Sunray's excel file and the manual. How to properly utilize Machaka's blessed troops needs to go in the wiki. It is a "strategy wiki" after all, not a substitute for the manual.

[dirtywick]

Morkilus said:
So now we need some content! We have decent strategy discussions on Golden Age Arco and Kailasa. Who wants to take on another? We have, uh, like fifty left to go. Alternative strategies are welcome as well, I imagine. Here's the link to the nations page so you can navigate. Note that some are subsumed under others, i.e., you'll find Helheim under Vanheim sorta like in the official manual.

Strategy Wiki Dom3 Nations Page (http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening/Nations)



I guess I'll try Shinuyama next. This one appears to be a challenge though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Unwise]

I guess I'll try Shinuyama next. This one appears to be a challenge though


Don't be shy about changing the existing stuff too though -- it's a Wiki, the old stuff is not lost and if your changes suck, someone will change it back no harm done.

[Horst F. JENS]

just looked at the "Table of contest" at the wiki frontpage... really impressing. Someone did a great job. Thank you !
i did a red arrow into the screenshot to make it more easy for beginners to use this feature.
http://members.chello.at/horst.jens/pics/dom3wiki_1.png

[Horst F. JENS]

and here is the nation list.
amazing work !
http://members.chello.at/horst.jens/pics/dom3wiki_2.png

[Nerfix]

You want me to put my atlantis/agartha demo guides there?

[Horst F. JENS]

Please !!!!!!

[Nerfix]

Alright. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Horst F. JENS]

I just started the wiki guide for Pangea Early Age... not finished yet.

[dirtywick]

The Shinuyama guide will be ready today or tomorrow depending on if I got time. I'll try to figure out the tags and whatnot for the wiki, but we'll see, it's already a lot of writing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif.

[Horst F. JENS]

ok, the Pangea early age guide is nearly done:
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening/Nations/Pangaea%2C_Age_of_Revelry (http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening/Nations/Pangaea%2C_Age_of_Revelry#Scale_Design)

[dirtywick]

Hey Horst,

I really have no idea how to work the tags at the wiki. I'll look into finding some sites on how to do it myself later, but I've been writing for hours over the last couple of days and don't have the energy now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Anyway, I posted the Shinuyama guide here:
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=461594&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=&vc=#Post461594

So if you could put it up for me, again, I'd appreciate it!

Thanks.

[Horst F. JENS]

It is really no great deal, but i will happy do it for you if you want. just drop me an message.

Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction for a nice introduction.

I still learned something new on the wiki yesterday:
initiate a heading with an semicolon and close it with an colon.

;Bandit Archer:
This unit is very cool.


This will give a nice effect as can be seen at
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening/Nations/Shinuyama

To do big headings and autmatic generate a table of Contents box at the thop of the article, make the equal sign (=) before and after the heading. One equal sign for important level-1 headings, two equal signs for less important headings and so on.

=First very important headline=
==Not so important sub-headline of the first headline==
=Second very important headline=



That is all i do. And messing around with your text, of course :-) But is hard to find something to improve in your guides, because they are perfect.

[dirtywick]

Thanks for the help. I didn't want to mess it up.

I'm glad you like the guides http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif They're actually a lot of work to write, that one was like 8 pages long it Word.

[upstreamedge]

I added some stuff to the Late Era Ulm page, I want to know what people think

[Horst F. JENS]

hi upstreamedge, the stuff you added is not bad, but ...well.. could you expand it a bit ?
Maybe add a unit discussion (take the layout from Pangea early age) or list all the national spells. Or start describing some of the über-cool heroes of Ulm.

The text you wrote so far would fit very good in the genereal page about Ulm http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening/Nations/Ulm
to give people an idea how Ulm changed over the three different Era's.

[Morkilus]

I have added a sort-of template for the nation pages in the page for EA Abysia. Feel free to use it when filling out nation strategies and information. I'll be slowly filling them in, but feel free to help.

StrategyWiki: EA Abysia (http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening/Nations/Abysia%2C_Children_of_Flame)

[Horst F. JENS]

Very cool ! Thank you, Morkilus !

[dirtywick]

That'll be really helpful to me, thanks.

I've decided to do MA Abysia next unless someone has already started that.

[Unwise]

The point of a Wiki is that people add and correct the work of previous submitters and that no one has "dibs" on any particular section. Thus, do MA Abby and if someone manages to beat you to it, add your stuff to theirs.

That said, with so much left to do, I can understand the desire to avoid duplication of effort.

For my part, I have done the base work on EA Ulm, EA Mictlan, Helheim, and MA Ermor. It is all blatantly inaccurate and of dubious quality so I encourage people to go in there and fix it. Plus, I specifically insulted your mother and you really ought to go in and erase that part.

[dirtywick]

Unwise said:
The point of a Wiki is that people add and correct the work of previous submitters and that no one has "dibs" on any particular section. Thus, do MA Abby and if someone manages to beat you to it, add your stuff to theirs.

That said, with so much left to do, I can understand the desire to avoid duplication of effort.




You got it on the second part there.

I'm not asking for dibs, but with more than 50 nations and a handful of complete guides, it'd be really disappointing if I put upwards of 40 hours of testing and whatnot, which seems to be about what's necessary so far(for me), and then spend 5-6 hours writing thousands of words about what I found out, only to find out someone already did it and my time would have been better spent doing a nation that no one has done any work on.

Adding a 30 second sentence to help us all work together is going to avoid headaches for me personally. That's all, I'm not trying to be important or better than anyone or anything like that, I'm just letting people know what's going on.

[Morkilus]

Unwise said:
The point of a Wiki is that people add and correct the work of previous submitters and that no one has "dibs" on any particular section. Thus, do MA Abby and if someone manages to beat you to it, add your stuff to theirs.

That said, with so much left to do, I can understand the desire to avoid duplication of effort.




This is kinda why i separated "objective" information like units, national features, from strategies, so you can write without getting in the way of others. I kinda doubt it would be worth it to rework what has already been done, at least for now.

There's a template {{wip}} that lets people know you're working on a section. Just add it to the top of the page you're working on (be sure to, you know, actually work on it if you mark it). I went ahead and added it to MA abysia so you can see. (it's not that obvious though
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif )

[Horst F. JENS]

Morkilus,
i started using to copy your gems into the not-yet existing nation guides. It is very useful, i was able to make the Atlantis guide more pretty with it. A small suggestion:
What do you think about moving the headline "National Summons" into two seperate Sub-headlines under the "Units" and "Commander" sections ? While most national summons will be units, some summons like Late Age Ulm Vampire Lords are Commanders.
Question: Where to put your wonderful guide template if someone is actually doing an Abysia Guide ?

[Horst F. JENS]

started to clean up the table of contents:
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening/Table_of_Contents
It is still not perfect yet but has more structure now.
Links to "Thugs", "SC", "Prophets" are made but not filled.

[dirtywick]

Thanks for the template, it made it really easy to learn the code and whatnot.

I'd suggest adding it somewhere as a downloadable .txt file though instead of putting it in a nation.

[Horst F. JENS]

I added some "overview" to the wikipedia article about dom3:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening

It could still use some help. The goal is to give people who never played any dominoins game (or any computer game at all) a short description of what dominions3 *is*. And not going to much into detail because that is what the strategywiki http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening is for.

[Horst F. JENS]

Nation description/guide for Marverni done:
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening/Nations/Marverni

I need help with the Strategy section (i figured out just one Strategy)

[Morkilus]

Here's a resurrection from doom:

I've added the new nations to the table of contents and nation list. We need plenty of more content, especially for individual nation strategies.

http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominions_3:_The_Awakening/Nations

[lch]

Morkilus said:
I've added the new nations to the table of contents and nation list. We need plenty of more content, especially for individual nation strategies.


You know what really always bugged me about that page? That clicking on a graphic brings you to the image article instead of the nation in question, for which you'll have to click on the much smaller nation name. That's goddamn counter-intuitive. Plus, why does one need to register in order to make edits? I think without mandatory registration, there would be a lot more fixes to the pages from people.

[Edi]

Without mandatory registration you only need one [censored] trolling for kicks or obsessed with some tiny thing to totally wreck things, as evidenced by wikipedia. The problem with fanmade projects like the Dom3 strategy wiki is that there are few people who want to do any work but hordes of people who will gladly sponge off the work of those few, even if there are ways to add contributions of their own.

And some people, like me, prefer keeping control of what they make completely to themselves, so such individuals can be difficult to convince to join such projects.

[Morkilus]

What's so hard about registering?

I can see if I can get the picture to direct to the nation page instead, but I kinda doubt I can.

[lch]

If I look at some page and see some typo or something missing and I have immediate control to edit that section, then I might do it. Requiring to register myself beforehand and undergo the whole email confirmation shenanigans etc. makes it an effort which is too big to commit to in just that moment.

[Horst F. JENS]

I understand you and feel the same. However if you register once, you can tell (your browser or in the wiki) to auto-login.
This may be a silly idea if you work from a public PC but it can make it more simple to just edit one paragraph.

[Morkilus]

There's been an update to Pangaea! Thanks. Someday someone will transfer the various guides to the wiki... as soon as I run out of things to do at work again, perhaps.