Jinxed Frechdachs (RUNNING 72h QH)

[Bluebird]

Hi everybody,

This game is <font color="red">jinxed</font>. That is why the name of the game has been changed accordingly. The setting still are:

<font color="darkred">We are now using 3.06 ...</font>


Hosting by server, 24h turns at the start, slower later.
Random map with 120 land and 30 sea provinces.
Middle Age.
Victory by VPs (10 out of 25)
Indies 3
Magic Sites 50
Hall of Fame 15
Host: www.fams.de (http://www.fams.de) Port: 8192
<font color="red">Password for all pretenders required.</font>


I am really sorry for all troubles. Somehow it seems to be more difficult to get a game going nowadays. Still, I will not loose my faith in the good of mankind, so I am restarting once more. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Participants:


Bluebird - Man
okiN - Ulm
coobe - Abysia
JaydedOne - Agartha
freykin - Machaka
Bluebird (replacing Fenrrris (replacing KissBlade)) - Ryleh
Stossel - Shinuyama
Ektor - Jotunheim
WraithLord - Pythium
Shovah32 - Marignon
tibbs - Atlantis
Cainehill - Bandar Log
jeffr - Pangaea
Graeme Dice - C'tis


You can check the game status at any time at http://www.fams.de/dom3-game-status.html (that page might get nicer later).

[okiN]

I might be interested in playing as Ulm.

[coobe]

i would like to play vanheim this http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[JaydedOne]

Count me in as Agartha. Might as well try something new. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[freykin]

I'd be interested in playing as Machaka.

[KissBlade]

Ryleh!!!

[Bluebird]

BTW - I will start with quickhost over the first few turns, but later I might switch it off to give the game a more regular structure.

[Bluebird]

Ah - and changed the name as some people thought that we were limited to 3 players ... :-)

[Boron]

Oceania

[Stossel]

Shinuyama please

[Ektor]

Count me in as Jotunheim

[WraithLord]

Pythium please.

[Shovah32]

Marignon please

[tibbs]

Atlantis please.

[KissBlade]

Water's going to be awfully crowded ... =(

[Cainehill]

Bandar Log.

[tibbs]

KissBlade said:
Water's going to be awfully crowded ... =(



Actually it shouldn't matter since the random map generator creates 8-10 provinces per player so land and water should have an equal amount of provinces to conquer.

[jeffr]

Pangaea please.

[Graeme Dice]

Cainehill said:

Bandar Log.



I have to say that this is quite possibly the best named nation ever.

I'll play any randomly assigned nation from what's left over.

[Bluebird]

Ok - I declare this game closed. I will collect all names and setup the server. Announcements will follow.

[Bluebird]

Server is up and running, check above for IP and port.

The map is 30 sea and 120 land provinces, making it 10/player. The random map generator was used, but I have added a couple of extra connections to connect all oceans and to add some land bridges. In general, there is no big secret about his map. The image of the map can be viewed at http://www.fams.de/fd-gb.jpg

The server was started with the following settings:

./dom3 --tcpserver --port 8192 --hours 24 --quickhost --textonly --noclientstart \
--mapfile Dollhouse.map \
--hofsize 15 \
--totalvp 30 \
--requiredvp 12 \
--masterpass http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif \
--renaming \
--statfile \
--scoredump \
--era 2 \
--indepstr 3 \
--magicsites 50 \
--postexec /home/schoelle/bin/dom3-save-game \
Frechdachs_Gangbang

I assume that 12 out of 30 VPs is tough enough with that many players that the game should keep us busy for some time. Indies are weak as I do not want too many players to curse about loosing pretenders to them. Expansion should be hindered by other players soon enough.

The master password will only be used in absolut emergencies. I am planning to disable quickhost once the game is going. Also, with that number of players it will be difficult to respect all absenses. We will see how it works out, but do not be too much afraid of stale turns http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Also, the stat-file will be available globally (if nobody minds).

[JaydedOne]

Very exciting. I'll have a pretender in tonight. Bear with me as I ask the stupid questions as I'm used to playing solely by TCP/IP.

[Stossel]

My pretender is uploaded and ready to rumble

[okiN]

Ditto. The iron fist of Ulm is about to start swinging!

[coobe]

the true god is uploaded http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[WraithLord]

coobe said:
the true god is uploaded http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


Must have been a mistake for the true god has only *now* uploaded http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Ektor]

jot ready

[Boron]

Uploaded. I think i will be the first god who dies http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[jeffr]

pangaea uploaded.

[freykin]

Sorry on the delay on mine being uploaded, thought I had checked to be notified when this thread was updated &gt;&lt; Uploading mine right now.

[Bluebird]

12 out of 15 players have uploaded, the following are still missing:


JaydedOne - Agartha
tibbs - Atlantis
Cainehill - Bandar Log


As soon as everybody is set up, I will start the game (and announce it here).

[Bluebird]

I have just discovered that the top limit of VPs seems to be 25. So I have adjusted the winning VPs to be 10/25.

[tibbs]

I uploaded my pretender. I can't wait for this gangbang to start. I'm always up for a good gangbang!

[Shovah32]

As are we all.

'what do you mean it matters that im under age!'

[freykin]

Fear the venomous bite of my spiders!

And the not so venomous bite of my spears http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Graeme Dice]

I'm sorry, but I feel that I must point out that C'Tis is the true master of poison.

[Baalz]

I'll take Mictlan if you haven't started yet.

[JaydedOne]

Mine is on its way in the next five minutes.

[freykin]

that may be so Graeme, but while you may be the true master of poison, yours doesn't come from 10 ft tall arachnids.

The sun shall burn hot, and the spiders shall come. Oh how they shall come.

[Cainehill]

Rough week at work - (1.5 jobs, the main one being night shift). I have the rough outline of my pretender, but really need a little more testing / refinement. Another 24 hours okay? ( Wasn't a start time listed originally, so I was looking at pretenders for the 3rd game I'm getting into at first, 'cause that one had a start time. )

In a pinch, I'll try to check before going to work in the morning, upload something - but would really be happy for another 24 hours.
'

[Cainehill]

( Oh - just did 10 hours on night shift, and have forklift class at _8_ in the morning, so can't just test and upload like I normally would. )

[Bluebird]

Everybody except Cainehill has uploaded his/her/its pretender. As I think the weekend is not a good place to start the game anyway (and as I don't have Internet at home as I forgot to pay the bill and as I have to go to work for every turn, to use the computer there) I will start the game on Monday 12:00 MET. That will include Cainehill - if he manages to upload until then - or not.

Sorry for these delays.

[freykin]

Sounds good to me, my weekend is packed. This way I can spend Sunday evening perfecting starting strategies a bit too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[tibbs]

Weekends arent good for me either to play. I prefer to do most of the turns during the week.

[Cainehill]

Awesome - I'll definately have my pretender in on Sunday.

[Stossel]

Might not be back in time to play. I have my pretender up but there is no power at my house so I don't know when I'll be able to play. It'll be anywhere from 1-7 days.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

[Dexlyn]

Is it to late to join? If it isn't, I'd like to play ermor in this match.

[Cainehill]

And I have Bandar Log uploaded.

[Bluebird]

Sorry Baalz and Dexlyn: The map is already picked for 15 players, you are too late.

[Bluebird]

Ok, I have started the game as everybody was setup, 3h earlier than announced. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Happy pretending, folks!

[KissBlade]

Bad news ... my ISP at campus doesn't allow me to log on and at the moment my house is undergoing renovations so I can't seem to get online enought ot download the very large map. Is there anyway you can delay the hosting and email map to toreadorflames@yahoo.com or upload map or anything? Thanks

[Graeme Dice]

The necessary map file has been attached. Put it in your maps directory.

[KissBlade]

Thanks!

[Bluebird]

Ok, two nations are still missing: tibbs, who has the problem that he/she/it did forget the passwort for his/her/its uploaded pretender and Stossel who has not done anything at all.

I have switched off automatic hosting. I hope that I can fix the situation with tibbs (is there a way to change a password? Otherwise, if we all trust tibbs, he might go ahead with the master password). I will also PM Stossel to see what the situation is with him.

[Bluebird]

So, tibbs won't remember his PW and Stossel is not answering. So, I assume that we will just restart, probably without Stossel and with a new pretender from tibbs. Please upload again. Was first turn anyway, so not harm done.

Sorry for the noise and the delays, but it is kind of hard to juggle so many players. _IF_ anybody of you expects problems participating this game, please do not join but tell me instead.

The game will restart Wednesday evening or Thursday.

[JaydedOne]

Bluebird,

One decent way to prevent further issues of the sort we had with Tibbs is to require any player using a password on their pretender to e-mail it to you before uploading their pretender. That way you, as the game's host, have a failsafe that doesn't require the master password.

Just a thought.

[tibbs]

I usually use the same PW for all pretenders. Not sure what happened.

Anyway I have uploaded my pretender again. Looks like everyone else has uploaded except Jotunheim.

Thanks for your patience,

Chris

[Boron]

I have made the old fault of joining too many longterm games again. So i take this chance to drop out.
Have fun with the restart of the game guys http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Stossel]

My power is back. If it's too late that's ok. I'll catch another one.

[jeffr]

I connected, but my nation, Pangaea, is not listed.

[JaydedOne]

Likewise, my nation, Agartha, is gone. The list in general looks much thinner.

[Graeme Dice]

I'm also missing, so I figure somebody must have clicked on start game instead of disconnect.

[jeffr]

Isn't there a way (command line switch I think) to not display the Start Game to people uploading pretenders?

[Graeme Dice]

There is. It's --noclientstart

[KissBlade]

err... ryleh not listed ...?

[Bluebird]

Darn ... forgot to add the switch *sigh* Who pressed that damn start button !!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

Please upload again (and hopefully for the last time). Please make sure you have the right pretender. Please make sure you have a safe power supply at home. Please make sure you know the password. Please do not press the (hopefully non-existing) "Start game" button.

Sorry for everyone who is waiting for this game to start. It is sometimes difficult to get a game with 15 players up and running.

[tibbs]

I was wondering why the game had started last night and nothing was posted about it. Uploading again.

[Cainehill]

Bluebird said:
Sorry for everyone who is waiting for this game to start. It is sometimes difficult to get a game with 15 players up and running.



Hah! Starting it is nothing compared to keeping it running! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[WraithLord]

Another restart??? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Oh well, its too late for me to upload today. I'll only be able to upload tomorrow evening.

[Boron]

Is it okay if i drop out Bluebird? I posted 2 days ago already, but so far uncommented:

Boron said:
I have made the old fault of joining too many longterm games again. So i take this chance to drop out.
Have fun with the restart of the game guys http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[WraithLord]

Uploaded my pretender.

Don't recall having that many hiccups starting an MP game, hope this game will start rolling soon.

[Bluebird]

Ok - all pretenders set - game started ...

[WraithLord]

Great work Bluebird. Thanks!!!

[Shovah32]

My turns in and my position (south-west) sucks.

[tibbs]

Turn 1 in. Good luck to all the losers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Bluebird]

I will switch to 24h after the first turn was hosted. Currently, only two players missing: coobe and freykin.

[Shovah32]

So ctis has an awake pretender with decent magic and rlyeh is massing lobo guards?

[Ektor]

new turn is ready

[Shovah32]

wtf? ulm just randomly sent me gold without a message or anything. if you want to negotiate pm me (although i do enjoy bribes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif)

[KissBlade]

I sure wish Ulm would randomly send me gold ...1/5th of my population in my capital decided to vanish after I got a shark attack the previous turn -.-. Someone should check the income graphs for Ryleh for a nice chuckle XD.

PS. WTF?! The scales bug still isn't fixed?! How can no one have stopped this in the beta?!

[okiN]

I have a sneaky suspicion someone's been messing with my turn. Shovah, I'd appreciate it if you sent me back the money. I'm gonna try and get in touch with Bluebird about this.

[Shovah32]

?? How would i even get onto your turn?

[okiN]

Shovah32 said:
?? How would i even get onto your turn?



It's actually very easy. Don't worry, I don't think it was you, but I'm pretty sure someone's been monkeying around with it. I've sent Bluebird a PM explaining the situation and asking what he thinks should be done.

[jeffr]

I had no idea the score graphs were enabled! I thought everybody turned them off.

[Shovah32]

Do you not have a pass/could some-one have keylogged you?

[Cainehill]

okiN said:

Shovah32 said:
?? How would i even get onto your turn?



It's actually very easy. Don't worry, I don't think it was you, but I'm pretty sure someone's been monkeying around with it. I've sent Bluebird a PM explaining the situation and asking what he thinks should be done.



So, sounds like we may have to restart because someone didn't set a password?

[WraithLord]

sounds like it.

This is got to be the *most* hexed game I've been to.

[Bluebird]

Yes, it is really a pity: first that some people (that includes me with the nonclientstart option) do not protect from misbehaving folks and that on the other side there are really folks that do stupid stuff. It is just sad. :-(

[JaydedOne]

Just let me know when we're ready to re-upload again. Let's hope that this is the last time. Still, hopefully this'll be instructive to the other MP games starting out there here in the new era of the game.

[KissBlade]

Argatha and ATlantis hasn't sent their turns in yet. Are we definitely restarting???

[JaydedOne]

I'm Agartha. I haven't sent in my turn because of the uncertainty. Frankly, I'm unsure of whether it's worth the time, esp. since Bluebird seems resigned to restarting.

[Bluebird]

Yes, I have restarted. Also, the game has been renamed to a more fitting description. I am still learning how to get a proper game in a hostile environment going, sorry about that folks. It is just a new twist since the release that I have to get used to http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[JaydedOne]

Bluebird,

Just so you know, no frustration whatsoever where you're concerned. You're doing a great job as host and moving quickly on the problems that arise. I think these are all wrinkles to be expected as many people get their feet wet on MP for the first time (or for the first time in a long while.)

[Graeme Dice]

Bluebird said:
I am still learning how to get a proper game in a hostile environment going, sorry about that folks.



PM your email to the members, get them to send you their pretenders via email. Check each and every one for a password. Put the pretender files in the game directory. Start the game.

[WraithLord]

Yes.no frustration with our host what so ever, on the contrary, you're doing a great job.

[KissBlade]

WraithLord said:
Yes.no frustration with our host what so ever, on the contrary, you're doing a great job.



Yep =). Let's hope it works this time around!

[Bluebird]

Graeme Dice said:
PM your email to the members, get them to send you their pretenders via email. Check each and every one for a password. Put the pretender files in the game directory. Start the game.



Thanks for the hint, but using the server for uploading seems to be much more convenient. I will make a backup of the upload directory, start the game and then test all pretenders for passwords. Also, I will post the MD5 hashes of the pretenders, so that everybody can check for the correct body. Seems more convenient to me.

[Bluebird]

Here is the current list of MD5SUMs ...
<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
ce502e0665daead039cbbc83b5702eb6 mid_abysia.2h
253f79b6bcf637f02a0d7d2e2572e114 mid_agartha.2h
ecdca173ee3ea7069e49b06108970162 mid_atlantis.2h
d341cc7a9d7eed08751c85ed2c66a541 mid_bakemono.2h
2a2931669860397d4305ddae857cd2ce mid_bandarlog.2h
4e5bfeb55eba5351197a034e8e78a6fb mid_ctis.2h
d242014fdd4a626eeca8f2be148d27c7 mid_jotunheim.2h
0b23ba9a9de42abf751d181bf12ce17a mid_machaka.2h
8844f2d5ebae1c03b988f58e8e95cdfe mid_man.2h
2177f120220ab84ee751df92f6e21a8a mid_marignon.2h
7fa5c2f0961082717021701717b760e0 mid_pangaea.2h
54f0eafebad670cff058de29abeefb1b mid_pythium.2h
db302b2f6a95a9ee12d7a4bf9483ef69 mid_rlyeh.2h
7cbafbf52b004d29df3732c48614b960 mid_ulm.2h
</pre><hr />

[Bluebird]

Ok, very funny. I just wanted to start the game and I have discovered that 3 players (freykin, shovah32 and coobe) did have pretenders without passwords. Please upload a pretender again, this time with a password. Thanks.

I am definitely starting the game tomorrow evening (MET), with or without these players. <font color="green">If you want to replace your current pretender with another one, please PM me about it, best with an updated md5 sum.</font>

[JaydedOne]

Wow. Reading comprehension ftw.

[Cainehill]

Bluebird, presume you mean that those three paragons of intellect didn't have passwords, not that they did and everyone else didn't? And that you'll be deleting non-password protected pretenders/nations before starting if they haven't updated them?

[Bluebird]

"I have discovered that 3 players (...) did have pretenders without passwords." is the same as "I have discovered that 3 players (...) didn't have pretenders with passwords."

All other pretenders (thats 11) were fine.

I have removed the corresponding pretenders, coobe has already corrected his.

[Shovah32]

Sorry, could have sworn i protected my pretender. He is now uploaded and fully passworded.

[freykin]

Sorry about that, uploaded with a password.

[Bluebird]

Ok, check the md5 sums, I will start the game this evening ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[calmon]

Is it still possible to join this game? It would be my first dom3 game but i played many dom2 mps.

I could upload my pretender very shortly.

edit: i would play Mictlan if possible

[Bluebird]

Sorry - it is too late. We have already delayed the start for too long.

[Bluebird]

THE GAMES HAVE STARTED (hopefully for good)

[JaydedOne]

Wow. My position and my nation just SCREAM "Most Likely To Be Quickly Steamrolled."

Here's hoping I get to enjoy this one for more than 20 turns. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[KissBlade]

Hmm... an interesting development ... my sea nation has NO bordering sea provinces ...

[Ektor]

is it the cursed game? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Cainehill]

KissBlade said:
Hmm... an interesting development ... my sea nation has NO bordering sea provinces ...



Lol - guess that's one drawback to using the random maps for MP games. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Although actually, the drawback has to do with the horrible mechanism Dominions has always had for placing starting positions - doesn't pay much if any attention to how close nations start, even if half the map is empty, and doesn't pay attention to # of neighboring provinces and whatnot.

[freykin]

My position is like.. VPs? You want VPs? Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to be as far away as possible &gt;&lt;

[Bluebird]

/threads/images/Graemlins/icon45.gif Well - it does not seem to be over yet. So, map starting location on 135 fixed, first turn reseted, game restarted, QH disabled (Atlantis cannot play on the weekend). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

Here we go again ............ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[KissBlade]

Bluebird said:
/threads/images/Graemlins/icon45.gif Well - it does not seem to be over yet. So, map starting location on 135 fixed, first turn reseted, game restarted, QH disabled (Atlantis cannot play on the weekend). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

Here we go again ............ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



Haha much appreciated. =) Though I was willing to simply play it out just for challenge factor. =)

[tibbs]

Ill be gone for the next 48 hrs but I did post 1st turn after the map redo so maybe everyone can get one turn in over the weekend.

Thanks,
Chris aka Atlantis

[Cainehill]

Bloody hades. I'll see how it looks after the first turn, but I suspect I'm going to quit playing games with random maps -- too many unplayable positions, too many restarts, and I'm now looking at a probably unplayable position.

Illwinter? It's be _real_ nice if you made sure no one's starting positions too many, or too few, neighbors, given how important the capitol is now. One hint : If a province has too many neighbors and is chosen for a start/capitol, either look again, or reduce the number of neighbors.

And if someone has too few viable neighbors (something like water province start, 2 or 3 water province, land start, 3 or 4 minimum) either throw out the starting positions, or add a connection to somewhere.

[freykin]

This is the first time I've seen a problem with it.. though this is my first game with this many people.

May the best Machaka win http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Cainehill]

New turn is up, with two stales.

[KissBlade]

Bluebird said:
/threads/images/Graemlins/icon45.gif Well - it does not seem to be over yet. So, map starting location on 135 fixed, first turn reseted, game restarted, QH disabled (Atlantis cannot play on the weekend). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

Here we go again ............ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



Umm... it seems that this is the reason why there were two stales =\

[Cainehill]

You think Atlantis got _both_ stales? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Bluebird]

No, Atlantis just staled once. I had times Atlantis to have 48 hours of time (by restarting the server - which I had to do anyway), but obviously it looked like this was not sufficient. Well - all will be fine, I hope, though "Ag" is still missing and there are only 3h left. I will just continue with 24h, one or two stale turns should not kill anybody and I want to keep this game going.

[JaydedOne]

Is it on 24h quickhost? Because, given that most of y'all are on European schedules and I'm working days, that makes it -very- difficult to time when I need to be available to hand in a turn.

*sigh* I should have paid closer attention when signing up. 48h generally gives me plenty of time to adjust and handle turns. 24h, given my schedule, is a bear.

[tibbs]

Luckily only 1 stale. A few stales will only affect how quickly a noob like myself will lose.

[Bluebird]

Ok - switching to 36h quickhost to make it easier.

[Bluebird]

I have added a status page (see initial posting) where you can easily check the current game status.

[tibbs]

***BREAKING NEWS***

Atlantis wins first Tournament of Champions!

Pretender Nations fear to challenge the might of the Champion of Atlantis.

The reputation of the mighty champion of Atlantis precedes him. The cowardly opposition has failed to field any challengers, knowing that they had no chance of success. This has resulted in a glorius victory for our champion and for all of Atlantis.

All praise the new Tournament Champion!

[KissBlade]

Argatha and Jomon seems to be running into problems. =(

[Bluebird]

I am away Sunday and Monday. As a result, this evening (Saturday) after hosting, I will switch to 72h QH. Also, I will apply patch 3.01 to the server. SO ALL FUTURE TURNS HAVE TO BE COMMITTED USING PATCH 3.01.

[jeffr]

Oops, I just played my turn before reading this. I guess I should patch and then replay my turn? There is 58 hours till the next hosting, so there is time.

[okiN]

Bluebird said:
I am away Sunday and Monday. As a result, this evening (Saturday) after hosting, I will switch to 72h QH. Also, I will apply patch 3.01 to the server. SO ALL FUTURE TURNS HAVE TO BE COMMITTED USING PATCH 3.01.



Are you certain we want to patch in light of the 3.01 bug of doom horrors attacking HoF heroes without horror mark or warning?

[tibbs]

Well, the other 4 MP games I'm playing are patched so I guess I will be submitting 3.01 turns whether the server is patched or not.

[okiN]

tibbs said:
Well, the other 4 MP games I'm playing are patched so I guess I will be submitting 3.01 turns whether the server is patched or not.



I for one am not comfortable with the idea of having a death warrant out for every HoF commander, pretenders included.

I think we should revert the game back to unpatched, especially since JK said a hotfix is not on the way.

[Bluebird]

Ok, after DDD has also decided not to use the patched version of the game, I think it is fair to stay with the unpached version as well. I have no clue what happens if we use turns created with the patched version. I have changed the timer back to 36h QH, please redo your turns 7 with 3.00 !!!

[tibbs]

Ok, so I will probably need to install a second instance of the game. That should take care of the problem.

[jeffr]

I saved my dom3.exe before patching. I patched and created a dom3.exe(this is v3.01), dom3_300.exe and dom3_301.exe. So, you can play some games with v3.00 and some games with v3.01.

[Bluebird]

I know that it is a nuisance, but there is little that I can do. As already said, the game is jinxed and it is just getting better and better. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Ektor]

wait a minute, are we refusing the patch because of one bug ???
when this patch does solve all these bugs :
* Great Lion size 3.
* Atlantian spearmen correct age and darkvision.
* Shark knight have correct resource cost
* Doom horrors less common.
* Indep lizard warriors base prot -&gt;3
* Curse of stones affects only enemies in accordance with the manual
* Wands no longer gives Chest Wounds
* Sharpest tooth has correct stats
* Nagini seduction fix
* Polypal mother no longer ethereal
* Event gives city and not motte-and-bailey
* Mesmerize confuses/enrages target instead of enslaving
* Triton recruitable in coastal kappa province fixed
* Blessing can affect sacred undead.
* All era gians gets longdead giants and soulless with reanimation and similar spells.
* All era caelum soulless fix
* All era ctis undead fix
* Eater of the dead fix
* Darkvision fixed
* Some nation description fixes
* Tungalik dagger -&gt; quarterstaff
* No uw conscription for tien chi
* Mod commands for sites: #gold, #res
* Mod command: #ressize
* Building of cave castle no longer produces simple hillfort
* #castledef, #maxage, #startage, #older mod commands work properly
* #owner fixed. Limit 25 removed
* Weapon modding #cold, #fire, #shock, #secondaryeffect, #secondaryeffectallways didn't work properly
* New weapon mod command: #poison
* Lava warrior also had prec and enc swapped
* Polypal Mother and some more are now female.
* Nethgul no longer tries to kill his wielder.
* More visible up/down arrow for scrolling commanders.
* Fixed bug with cheat detection and alchemist's stone.
* God epitet's could be cut off, fixed.
* Ardmon's Soul Trap didn't work as advertised.
* Tempest would crash the game if used in meele.
* Possible to enter site ou ydon't own, fixed.
* Max possible Dominion victory value increased.
* S?s and Kirke and Kurgi have correct name.
* Alcastor has correct priest lvl.
* No more free kappas in UW fortresses
* Watcher darkvision -&gt; 100
* Hog knight is now mounted.
* Atlantis hero size -&gt; 4
* Flame corpse construction works now.
* Azure mages are amphibious
* Leviathan only castable under water
* No longer possible to recruit city of tombs units if you're not ctis
* Helhirding only recruitable from site (and double display removed)
* Dwarven smith only recruitable from site (and double display removed)
* Stargazer no feet
* Burning one had prec and enc switched
* ***** queen crone shape has nature 1
* Ram's Head got prot 2
* Tribe warriors increased to 10 gold
* Jaguar tribe slinger hide shield
* Druids had low stats and age - stats increased a bit
* Map editor fixes.
* GUI performance improvments.
* Improved spell modding.
* New mod commands #uwfort, #deepfort.
* Modding manual updated.
* Map edit manual updated.
* Guru gets rid of all afflictions when he gets a new body.
* Message for guru reincarnation into new body.
* Lure of the deep was castable over water, fixed.
* Modding command #nratt didn't work.
* When Charcoal Shield is replaced by the Champion's Trident, Fire Shield effect isn't removed. Fixed.
* 't' screen got top right exit button as well.
* On the F1 Nation Overview screen, clicking on a province name with a province number higher than 1000, causes a magic site description to be displayed, fixed.
* The Mummification spell available from Amon Hotep shows as no description available, fixed.
* Windows alt-tab improvements.
* Knights only attack in mid or late age
* 60 gold event -&gt; 100 gold
* Merman scout cost -&gt; 25
* Utg&amp;#23716; cold preference -&gt; +1
* Daidalos got hammer
* 10+ new gold generating events.
* Horror Seed spell could lock up the game.
* Correct game name in credits.
* No more snowfall events under water.
* Gateway fixed.
* VP crowns disappeared at edges, fixed.
* More than 1 VP / province wasn't displayed properly, fixed.
* Glamour ability doesn't give mirror images to PD units or leaders at the start of combat, fixed.
* If you use a 5 digit port for hosting a game the port number is not saved correctly, fixed.
* Starting a new game with a random map but with same name as last game resulted in a bad map, fixed.


I'm sorry but I prefer have one that all these others

[Cainehill]

Um - given that a lot of those "fixes" only refer to documentation / descriptions, sizes, other trivial matters, or things that can't do anything for a game that's already started (all the modding stuff, pretender changes, etc), _yes_? Especially given that some of the "fixes" are lies - "fewer doom horrors (more unique horrors, yay!)".

[tibbs]

My Pretender was just ganked by the Hunter of Heroes. I guess I should have just left it patched afterall! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Shovah32]

Jeffr (pangaea) just had a nasty run in with some fire (he lost 28 f9a9 white centaurs or so).

The moral of the story: dont screw with the inquisition

[Bluebird]

Ui - 28 f9a9 on one side? What was on the other side?

[tibbs]

Bluebird said:
Ui - 28 f9a9 on one side? What was on the other side?



Shadows and Flame?

[Shovah32]

Well i killed 28 units (and 1 commander) and i dont remember any other units being there (but there may have been, it was msotly white centaurs though) so im guessing it was 28 f9a9 blessed white centaurs. On my side i had a bunch of crossbows (pretty poor since the air shield makes most miss and those that hit just make them berserk) and a couple of middle class mages.

[jeffr]

Well, that didn't turn out too well for the home team, did it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Maybe it's time for plan B.

[Shovah32]

Well seeing as it was a battle in MY home province i think it went well for the home team http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Bluebird]

JadedOne is obviously not playing anymore. I will try to contact him. If I do not get an answer, I will turn him to AI starting next turn.

<font color="green"> UPDATE: DONE </font>

[KissBlade]

Hey I have exam week, can I request an extension?

[Bluebird]

As requested by KissBlade, and because we are getting ahead in the game, I have adjusted the turn time to 48h.

[KissBlade]

Thanks! =D

[KissBlade]

Heylo, Fenrrris from irc will be taking over Ryleh for me in this game. =) Thanks!

[Bluebird]

Ouch - looks like coobe got me - Man is just not very well suited to fight against burning troops. It is the wood factor.

[tibbs]

Man doesn't appear to be doign too bad. Yomi went down pretty quick with those large armies of longbows.

[Shovah32]

Somehow the noble nation of marignon is still hanging onto life

[Bluebird]

Ok - now that 3.04 is out, I am planning to switch pretty soon. But I will wait a couple of days to see if any new problems show up, if you do not mind.

[WraithLord]

The server is down http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

I'm afraid it might have happened because of my turn, since I was able to connect to the server and then it went down. Is it possible that the server crashed because I was using an incompatible version (I'm using 3.04)?

[WraithLord]

I read some on the forums and it seems as though incompatible turns does cause the server to crash. so sorry for unknowingly crashing the server. once its up again I'll use 3.01 version to submit my turn.

[Bluebird]

Ok ... I will restart the server. I will disable auto_host, and wait until all turn have been uploaded. Then I will do the hosting with 3.04 and re-enable quickhosting to 72h (as requested by some players).

[WraithLord]

Thanks Bluebird, though the server crashed again when I've tried to upload the turn, this time with version 3.01.
To get a 3.01 exe, I reinstalled the game and applied the 3.01 patch, then submitted the turn, alas the server has crashed again. I'm open to any suggestion how to proceed.

EDIT, ok, my bad, It seems as though I have to redo the turn from scratch, submitting it via 3.01 version doesn't work. I'll do that once the server is up again. sorry for giving you trouble.

[Bluebird]

We are playing using 3.00, not 3.01 ... see the red title line, I really tried to make it clearly visible ;-)

[WraithLord]

LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

ok, thanks for the heads up!

[Bluebird]

Hey - Fenrrris (if you are also reading this forum) - you are also uploading with the wrong client. I will wait for all uploads until tomorrow evening, restarting the server every time somebody uses the wrong client :-/ Everybody else will stall then ...

[jeffr]

We're still using 3.00 until you give the word that it's 3.04, right?

[Bluebird]

As announced, switch to 3.04 after this turn.

[Bluebird]

[double post removed]

[okiN]

It's calling me a cheater. My feelings are hurt. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Bluebird]

Well - I assume that we can ignore this as a usual problem of switching versions http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[coobe]

damn and i hoped my biggest enemy was about to get denied http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

ah well i prefer a good clean fight though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[okiN]

coobe said:
damn and i hoped my biggest enemy was about to get denied http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

ah well i prefer a good clean fight though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



Enemy?! We've never even met! Can't we all just get along?

[Bluebird]

okiN said:
Enemy?! We've never even met! Can't we all just get along?



Hey, what is the point of playing then?

[okiN]

Well, we could, ah, trade magic items, cast globals, collect gems and money, hold bake sales...

[Bluebird]

May I suggest square dancing? That is always fun!

[okiN]

Yeah! We could have a dance-off! Add that competitive element, y'know?

[Cerlin]

Hello All! I am the new puppet master of the god of Abyssa. Just wanted to introduce myself and look forward to playing with you all! I am open to alliances but for man, becuase I hold his capital :p Unless of course he will become my vassal. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

P.S. My followers are kinda mad you just killed our god :O

[KissBlade]

I logged in Ryleh to see how my sub is doing and notice that he's been staling out for (most likely) quite some time? You guys should find a new sub for Ryleh's pretty recoverable position. I submitted a quick turn for the nation but I don't really want to take the game back. Just wanted to give a heads up. Thanks!

[tibbs]

Hello,

Is there any way we can set the game to quickhost without timer until Jan 1st? I'll be out of town for the next 72 hours.

Thanks,
Chris
Atlantis

[Bluebird]

Cerlin said:
P.S. My followers are kinda mad you just killed our god :O



Well - you just killed mine ;-)

Bluebird

[Cerlin]

Well he WAS all cut off there in that province, I couldnt resist such a juicie morsel for an offering to our firey god. I did leave him there unmolested a turn and I was supprised when you didnt fight your way out.

[Bluebird]

Well - I was on vacation and a friend was playing my turns - I might have done it differently, that whatever - whoever takes me down has to suffer, that for sure http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Cerlin]

Well Abysia is good at the whole suffering thing, I mean they sacrifice gorgeous virgins, talk about suffering :O

[okiN]

Some of you may have noticed that the nation of Machaka is no more.

Their leaders are dead. Their people is crushed. Their so-called god no longer exists on any plane, reduced to oblivion.

This is the fate of those who would betray and attack Ulm.

Do not follow their example.

[jeffr]

5 hours to go and 5 nations still haven't taken their turns? How many people stale each turn?

[Bluebird]

Well - it is holiday season - stalled myself (not because of holidays, but because I have a paper deadline *sigh*).

We should not mind too much, the game has had stales all way long. Except for the suprise that I now have a small Abysian army of 470 units standing next to my provinces, nothing important happened.

[jeffr]

Looks like Ulm is getting close to winning this thing.

And hey Ulm, what's the deal with your spies causing unrest in my capital? That isn't very peaceful of you. As a matter of fact, that's downright war-like http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Cerlin]

Ulm has been scaring me as well, from what my spies have told me. Tho Man does not know when to die, which I am attempting to teach him, to mixed success. I have yet to stall on a turn as a sub http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[okiN]

jeffr said:And hey Ulm, what's the deal with your spies causing unrest in my capital? That isn't very peaceful of you. As a matter of fact, that's downright war-like http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Eh? I sent one your way when I was afraid you might invade me. Musta forgotten him in your capital. Sorry 'bout that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

Furthermore, there is little to no danger of me winning. I didn't enter this game to win and nothing has changed since the start. You have nothing to fear from me unless you go the path of Machaka and betray my trust and goodwill, or lead me to believe you plan to do so and make me feel threatened. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[tibbs]

Is anyone playing Ryleh? I think they've been staling for quite a time.

[okiN]

KissBlade said:
I logged in Ryleh to see how my sub is doing and notice that he's been staling out for (most likely) quite some time? You guys should find a new sub for Ryleh's pretty recoverable position. I submitted a quick turn for the nation but I don't really want to take the game back. Just wanted to give a heads up. Thanks!



Apparently not.

[tibbs]

Bluebird, can you set Ryleh AI?

[okiN]

That's certainly not an ideal solution, given the impact it could have on the game. Finding a sub would definitely be better.

[Bluebird]

Hmm - if nobody minds, I will sub for R'leyh - my position with Man seems more or less dead now, and the two nations are so far apart that I cannot help one with the other. If somebody minds, I can also suggest switching Man to AI.

[WraithLord]

I don't mind at all.

[Bluebird]

I will switch Man AI in the next turn, there isn't much left to play here anyway. Great fighting coobe, this has really been fun - though I have to admit that the troops of Man are really no match for Abysia, they are just lacking any defense against fire attacks.

[Bluebird]

I will switch over to 3.06 for hosting the next turn. For that, QH and timeout has been disabled. Still, the deadline is in around 48h (or earlier, hoping that Abysia submits its turn).

[okiN]

Hey, just a little note here: the entire world seems to be howling for my blood, but am I the only one who's noticed that Abysia has just as many VPs and is close behind me in provinces, income, research, dominion and army size? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Also, Bluebird: I tried to re-upload my turn in 3.06 and it appears to have crashed the server?

[Bluebird]

Ok - fixed that bit ... please upload the turn again with 3.04 ... thanks ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[okiN]

Okay, so THIS host is 3.04 and the NEXT one is 3.06?

[WraithLord]

Strangely enough dominions hangs when trying to play the turn?- Does that happen to anyone else?

My py_eye script reports all turns not played with the exception of R'lyeh, so maybe there's an issue with the server.

[Bluebird]

Sorry - hosting worked ok, do not know what happened, but I was able to connect w/o a problem.

Who is still playing? It has been very quiet.

Also, next time there is a problem with the server, please PM me so I get a mail and can response faster, thank you.

[Bluebird]

I have disables the timer. Please, everybody still playing, try to connect and submit you turns.

[WraithLord]

Thank you Bluebird, next time I'll PM you with such things.

I, for one, am still playing, and I'd certainly say Bandar and you as well.

[WraithLord]

I'm sorry but I think if the game won't continue soon it's as good as dead http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Bluebird]

Yes, I will switch on the timer again, but it is a pity that we have Ul- Aby- Atl- :-(

What should I do? Switch them AI?

[WraithLord]

Maybe we can try and contact them and see if they wish to continue, if not we can post a request for subs, they both have good positions so it might be doable. In that case we can wait for subs and in the worst case if can't find ones turn them to AI. does that make sense to you?

[Bluebird]

I am not really sure, I think the whole game is somehow cursed. I rather want to finish this game fast and start a new one, with perhaps somewhat steadier players: the main problems of this game was that there were stall players from the start, without notifying me.

[WraithLord]

I understand, so by all means please go ahead and switch the stallers to AI so that we can get a closure on this one.

[Bluebird]

Ok, Ul- Aby- are missing, I will send a message to the players, if I do not get an answer until the end of next turn, or a negative one, I will switch them to AI at the end of next turn.

[WraithLord]

Very strange that they're both missing as they have great positions in the game. IIRC Ulm had the best position not that while ago. Anyway, I think it's a good call, thank you Bluebird for keeping the game going.

[Bluebird]

Ulm and Atlantis are now computer controlled ... and they do have _lots_ of money! ;-)

[jeffr]

Greetings from Pan!

I'm going to be away from my PC for a couple of weeks, so unless you guys want to wait until I get back (which I doubt), I'm going to set myself AI. Let me know.

If I go the AI route, thanks for the game!

[Bluebird]

If there are any troubles with the server, please PM me. I just upgraded the machine to the latest Debian release ...

[WraithLord]

The server works great for me. Though Atlantis and Ulm AI may be too vicious for my taste http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[jeffr]

Pan here again. Just a reminder that if you want to set me to AI, please do. I'll check the board when I return to see how things are going.

[Bluebird]

ok, we already have so many AI players with good positions that one more will not hurt ;-) We will have a look how it develops ...

[WraithLord]

"And thus came the angels from above with their flaming swords and blazing eyes to lead the righteous armies of Pythia. And the wicked shall tremble and the unbeliever shall cover for the omniscient wrath of Magnific sees unto the depth of souls. And all shall rejoice at the acendence of the true god, the angelic arbiter, the light bringer, Magnific."
From the prophecies of Pythia.

This has been a fun game, I'd like to thank all the players and of course our host Bluebird.

[Bluebird]

Congratulations WraithLord. And thanks to everybody who stayed with us though the game. I probably was the most unpreditable hosting that I ever did, but I still enjoyed my part of it.

I will take down the server tomorrow and start thinking about a new game to host. You will see annoucements coming up soon.