obat53 Switzerland

[Pats]

I have modified obat53 (swiss army) with many changes.
Tried to touch the original not to much (except some better or realer names for them) but added lots of real units, possible units and some "unreal" or future units. Also added them to the formations.
Any interest?

Here a short list what I changed:
-Several names e.g. AMX-13 is better known as Pz 51
-G13 Hetzer is just known as G13 and as I know the swiss version didn't have a MG; but not so sure here, so I left the original in the place and added a swiss version.
-added some 30/40 tanks for the early stage of the game (Renault M17 and PzW34 Vickers)
-added the original german/tchechish Version PzKpfw 38(t)(as far I know they were also in use, only some were changed with the swiss 24mm Gun)
-correctet the version names (55a into 55, 55 into 55/60, 55/60 into 55/60 AA2 and so on)
-Pz 68 and 61; added Prototyp (Pz58)and some other version numbers (Pz61 AA7/8, Pz68/75 AA3 und AA4, Pz68 AA5; the old Pz68AA3 and AA4 stayed as they represent the refited Pz68 with the smaller turret! The Pz68/75 actually had a bigger turret but the same version no. AA3 and AA4)
-Name change Leopard tank into Pz87 LEO -> it's the 2A4 Version; the newer Version is called Pz87 LEO WE (=Werterhaltung)
-Name change of the SP Guns, APC's and so on (e.g. 10.6cmPAK58Jeep, Spz2000(CV9030), TransportPz T16, PAL BB65 Hafl.)
-AT Guns / Inf AT (10.6 cm PAK 58, 20mm TB Solo Tm, 8.3cm RackR 50, PAL BB65 Bantam etc.)
-Jaegers -> Fuesilier!
-Engineers -> Genietruppen
-Sniper -> Scharfschuetze
-Grenadier -> PzGrenadier (and added Fallschirmgrenadier, Gebirgsgrenadier and Gebirgsinfanterie)
-added "new" Commando tanks (FO) Pz87 is used as it, also KdoRadSPz 93/99 and Kdo Pz 2000 (also Kdo Piranha 6x6 sooner or later)
-SP Artillery (mod. M109!) is called Panzer Haubitze 88 (PzHb88) with diferent Versions. Added /99 and /01 with modern Ammo.
-added some Trucks (e.g. Duro)
-added Dauphin EuroC and some Pilatus Aircrafts
-BISON! web page[/url] http://www.ruag.com/ruag/juice?pageID=87631
-and more...

edit:
New attachement; formation names translated...

[cbreedon]

yes. I'll check it out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Pats]

As I can see there are some downloads. So please post your comments here!

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I added a new version... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[cbreedon]

What did you update? I like your effort. I had modified my obat originally to add airborne as well.

I haven't had time to play a game with it yet but I have looked over the first version that you did.

I will try it out this weekend.

[RecruitMonty]

I checked through your OOB, Not bad at all! I will download your update and have a look through that one too.

[Pats]

Didn't change much, but when I played I found some "bugs" (like wrong dates for some units or spelling faults etc.)

Added a few more units (like a special force "A Aufkl Det 10" similar to the British SEALS and the "Grenadier A XXI"; there are no more diferent Grenadiere in the "Armee XXI")

[RecruitMonty]

Thats good to hear. Hope you fix those bugs alright. When will you post up the new OOB?

[Pats]

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[Pats]

I modified the newest version (from patch 3.0).
Here is a complete List:
Number / name / better designation / date / description
001 **Switzerland** Flag is Square
002 Pz 51 Pz 51 (AMX-13) better LBM 7099
003 Pz 55a Pz 55 no 55a known, better LBM 8012, Centurion ~Mk3
004 Pz 55 Pz 55/60 60-82 1st refit, better LBM 8012, Centurion ~Mk5
005 Pz 57 Pz 57/60 61-82 1st refit, Centurion ~Mk7
006 Pz 55/60 Pz 55/60 AA2 83-92 2nd refit, was actually longer in service then Pz 57/60 AA2
007 Pz 57/60 Pz 57/60 AA2 83-90 2nd refit
008 Pz 61 63-82
009 Pz 61 Pz 61 AA9 83-85 last version of Pz 61
012 Pz 68 AA2 77-82 through the earlier date poss. still Weapon 90 (105mm L7 UK73) in use
013 Pz 68 AA3 was at least the same as Unit 006/007 -> Vision 30, Fire control was even better -> 20
014 Pz 68 AA4 again Fire control would be better then 013 -> 25
016 Pz 68/88 89-104 Had the same equipment as the earlier LEO (unit 018), so vision and fire control 40
018 Pz 87 H1 Pz 87 LEO (2A4) 87-95 no H1 known, 1st refit in 96 (minor see unit 875), total of 42 rounds not 40, newer MGs -> MG87 and MG71
019 Pz Haubitze M66 Pz Hb 66 no M
020 Pz Hpze M66/74 Pz Hb 66/74 no Hpze, no M, had already weapon 114 (155mm M185 FH), better LBM 12041
021 Pz Haubitze M74 Pz Hb 74 + 79 2nd lot in 79 (same as 74 but named 79)
022 Pz Haubitze M88 Pz Hb 79/88
023 Mw Pz 64 64-79 newer versions
024 Pz Hpze M88/95 PzHb 88/95 KW I 95-120 first of three refits (KAWEST, 99 and 101), manly minor change -> intelligent ammunition
025 Pz 39 Pz (LTH) Why is weapon slot 3 free?
026 Pz 87 H2 Pz 87 LEO WE 07 107-120 this ('07) and '08 years refit! poss FT HEAT armor to high -> change down to 150, new MGs/gun/ammo as well
027 Pz 87 H2 Pz 87 LEO WE 01 101-120 refit was delayed, poss FT HEAT armor to high -> change down to 130, new MGs
030 106mm RCL Jeep 10.6cmPAK58Jeep
031 106mm RCL Jeep 10.6cmPAK80Jeep
032 Bantam Truck PAL BB65 Hafl.
033 Piranha-AT 6x6 TOW Piranha PJ (PJ is for Panzerjaeger -> to long here), date is poss. wrong too, role as SP ATGM has changed to SCOUT already
034 Universal T16 TransportPz T16
035 SchutzenPz 63 SPz 63 Schutzen -> Schuetzen!
036 Schutz. Pz 63/73 SPz 63/73
037 Schutz. Pz 63/89 SPz 63/89 89-110 will be soon replaced completely
039 Staghound Staghound was actualy NEVER in service used only as target for training
041 SchutzenPz 2000 Spz2000(CV9030) Schutzen -> Schuetzen
046 Field Car Gelaendewagen
050 106mm Recoiless 10.6cm PAK 80
051 Field Car Gelaendewagen
059 Piranha 8x8 RadSpz Piranha
060 Puch Haflinger Puch Haflinger 60-98 there might be one or two still in use
061 Pinzgauer 4x4 69-104 replaced by Duro
062 Pinzgauer 6x6 69-102 replaced by Duro
063 Light Truck Carry 113, otherwise no carrier for Inf
064 ATR Team 20mm TB Solo Tm TB is for Tankbuechse
067 M50 Team 8.3cm RackR 50
068 M58 Team 8.3cm RackR 58
069 M80 Team 8.3cm RackR 80
070 Pzfaust3 Team PzFaust 3 Tm Capital F
071 106mm Recoiless 10.6cm PAK 58
072 Bantam Team PAL BB65 Bantam
073 Dragon Team PAL BB77 Dragon
074 Dragon II Team PAL BB77 DrII
075 Dragon II Team PAL BB77 DrII90
076 2x60mm Mortars 2x60mm Moerser
077 2x81mm Mortars 2x81mm Moerser
078 2x81mm Mortars 2x81mm Moerser
079 2x120mm Mortars 2x120mm Moerser
080 2x120mm Mortars 2x120mm Moerser
081 2x120mm Mortars 2x120mm Moerser
082 20mm AA-Gun 44 20mm Flab 44 Flab -> Flugabwehr
083 20mm AA-Gun 57 20mm Flab 57
084 20mm AA-Gun 54 20mm Flab 54
085 34mm AA-Gun 38 34mm Flab 38
086 35mm AA-Gun 63 34mm Flab 63
087 35mm AA-Gun 90 34mm Flab 90 weapon slot 2 -> Stgw 90
088 35mm Radar AAA Flab 75 Radar
089 35mm Radar AAA Flab 75/95 Rad.
097 Fuesilier Fuesilier 11
098 Fusiliers Fuesilier 11 u -> ue, no s for plural / Index 11 -> Rifle
099 Fusiliers Fuesilier 31
100 Fusiliers Fuesilier 31
101 Fusiliers Fuesilier 57
102 Fusiliers Fuesilier 57
103 Fusiliers Fuesilier 57
104 Fusiliers Fuesilier 90
105 Fusiliers Fuesilier 90
107 Engineers Genietruppe 31
108 Engineers Genietruppe 57
109 Engineers Genietruppe 90 also PzSap -> Panzer Sappeur
110 7.5mm M51 MMGs 7.5mm M51 / 57
111 7.5mm M51 MMGs 7.5mm M51 / 90
112 Sniper Scharfschuetze
113 Sniper Scharfschuetze
114 Sniper Scharfschuetze
115 Sniper Scharfschuetze
116 Sniper Scharfschuetze
117 Sniper Scharfschuetze
118 Sniper Scharfschuetze
119 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 31 no s for plural / Index 31 -> Rifle
120 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 31
121 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 31
122 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 57
123 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 57
124 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 57
125 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 90
126 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 90
127 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 90+
128 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 90+
129 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 31 Index 31 -> Rifle
130 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 31
131 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 31
132 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 57
133 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 57
134 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 57
135 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 90
136 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 90
140 Super Puma better LBM 7093 and Icon 914
147 Hunter Mk 58 Speed is 1 -> 10
150 EFW Mirage III 66-102
153 EFW Tiger II 82-110 not replaced yet
154 FAF Hawk *FAF Hawk 90-105 Was in service only as training aircraft
155 FAF Hawk *FAF Hawk 90-105 Was in service only as training aircraft
161 EFW Mirage III 93-105 last lot of Mirage gone
162 12.7mm HMG 12.7mm HMG / 57
163 12.7mm HMG 12.7mm HMG / 90
165 Dragon 98 Team PAL BB77 DrII98
166 Dragon 2000 Tm PAL BB77 DrII00 104-120 not 'til 97
168 PAH-2 Tiger UHT *PAH-2 Tiger poss. but I dont think so
169 PAH-2 Tiger UHT *PAH-2 Tiger poss. but I dont think so
173 2x81mm Mortars 2x81mm Moerser
174 2x120mm Mortars 2x120mm Moerser
175 2x60mm Mortars 2x60mm Moerser
179 47mm AT-Gun 4.7cm PAK 41
180 90mm AT-Gun 50 9cm PAK 50
181 90mm AT-Gun 57 9cm PAK 57
182 90mm AT-Gun 50 9cm PAK 50/80
183 90mm AT-Gun 57 9cm PAK 57/80
184 2x120mm Mortars 2x120mm Moerser
188 Scout Sec Aufklaerer 31
189 Scout Sec Aufklaerer 57
190 Scout Sec Aufklaerer 57
191 Scout Sec Aufklaerer 90
192 Scout Sec Aufklaerer 90
210 KommandoPz 63 Kdo Pz 63
211 Kdo Pz 63/73 Weapon Slot 1 -> no 20mm cannon only 12.7mm MG (Weapon 16)
212 Kdo Pz 63/73 Kdo Pz 63/89 90-106 Weapon Slot 1 -> no 20mm cannon only 12.7mm MG (Weapon 16)
213 Kdo Pz 63/73 Kdo Pz 63/97 Weapon Slot 1 -> no 20mm cannon only NEW 12.7mm MG (Weapon 228)
214 Alouette III AT *Alouette III Might be poss. If it would have been necessary
215 Dauphin EuroC EuroCopter 135 108-120 LBM 14270, Vision 40
216 Dauphin MG EuroCopter 635 108-120 EW 3, Vision 50 etc.
217 Alouette III
218 Alouette III MG Super Puma TH89 89-120 wrong Helo
219 Super Puma MG Super Puma WE 107-120 only one LMG
220 Spotter Plane
221 Dauphin AT *EC 635 AT 110-120 Might be poss. If it will be necessary
222 Puma AT *Cougar AT 110-120 Might be poss. If it will be necessary
223 Alouette III AT *Alouette III Might be poss. If it would have been necessary
224 Alouette III AT *Alouette III Might be poss. If it would have been necessary
225 M113 DIRA MLRS
228 GeniePanzer 63 63-88
253 FO Team SchiessKdt 31
254 FO Team SchiessKdt 57
255 FO Team SchiessKdt 90
256 FO Team SchiessKdt 90
257 FO Team SchiessKdt 90
258 FO Team SchiessKdt 90
259 FO Car SchiessKdt GelW
265 7.5mm M51 AAMG 7.5mm MG51 Flab
300 G-13 G-13 - Pz 38(t)
311 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 57
312 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 57
313 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 57
314 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 57
315 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 90
316 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 90
317 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 90
318 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 90
596 Ammo Container Mun. Container
597 Ammo Wagon Munitionswagen
598 Wagon Pferdewagen
599 Pack Mules Packesel
601 **new rael**
603 Kdo Pz 87 LEO 2 Tank in use as FO Vehicle
604 Kdo RadSpez93/99 Light armored FO Vehicle for light troops
605 Kdo Pz 2000 new APC -> new FO Vehicle
606 Kdo Piranha 6x6 ATGM Vehicle without TOW-Tower in a new role
607 PzHb 88/95 KW-2 refit in 99
608 PzHb 88/95 KW-3 new ammo in 2001
609 3x PzHb 88/95-2
610 3x PzHb 88/95-3
612 Bucher Duro THE light truck now
613 Unimog
614 Saurer 6DM instead of generic Medium Truck
615 Saurer 8DM instead of generic Heavy Truck
616 Saurer 10DM instead of generic (Very) Heavy Truck
619 RANGER UAV THE unmaned FO Aircraft, with RADAR
620 PC-6 B2 FO Aircraft
621 PC-7 FO Aircraft
622 PC-9 FO Aircraft
623 ADS 95 earlier Version of UAV Ranger
624 PC-6 B2 THE transport Aircraft for Paratroops
626 BISON THE mountain keep with a big gun
627 2x BISON** always comes in pairs
628 Antitank Bunker just an other bunker
630 Kdo Pinz 4x4 unarmed FO Vehicle
631 Kdo Puch 4x4 unarmed FO Vehicle
632 Kdo Duro 4x4 unarmed FO Vehicle
633 Kdo Duro 4x4 unarmed FO Vehicle
634 Entp Pz 65/88 replaced GeniePanzer 63 (unit 228)
635 Mirm Pz 63/00 Mine clearing tank, based on a M113
636 BergePz Bueffel Engineer tank, based on LEO 2
637 Kran Pz 63 Engineer tank, based on a M113
638 Entp Pz 65 Engineer tank, poss. it is unit 228
639 KODIAK (AEV3) Engineer tank, based on LEO 2
640 KODIAK (AEV3) Mine clearing tank, based on LEO 2
642 Condor 650 / 31 Motorcycle with sidecar
643 Condor 650 / 57 Motorcycle with sidecar
644 Condor 350 / 57 Motorcycle
645 Condor 350 / 90 Motorcycle, I drove it at my service!
646 BMW 650 F / 90 Motorcycle, I drove it at my service!
647 BMW 650 F / 90+ Motorcycle
648 Pontoniere 31 Marine Engineers
649 Pontoniere 31 Marine Engineers
650 Pontoniere 57 Marine Engineers
651 Pontoniere 57 Marine Engineers
652 Pontoniere 90 Marine Engineers
653 Holzboot Wooden boat, not real good ICON for it
654 Pononierboot A bit mor stable boat, not real good ICON for it
655 Sturmboot generic boat, not real good ICON for it
656 Patroullienboot armed patrol boat, ot real good ICON for it
657 Patroullienboot armed patrol boat, ot real good ICON for it
658 Patroullienboot armed patrol boat, ot real good ICON for it
659 Sandbag MG / 31
660 Sandbag MG / 57
661 Sandbag MG / 57
662 Sandbag MG / 90
663 Sandbag MG / 90
664 Sandbag MG / 11
666 Geb. Inf. 31 Ski troops (Gebirgsinfanterie)
667 Geb. Inf. 31 Ski troops (Gebirgsinfanterie)
668 Geb. Inf. 57 Ski troops (Gebirgsinfanterie)
669 Geb. Inf. 57 Ski troops (Gebirgsinfanterie)
670 Geb. Inf. 90 Ski troops (Gebirgsinfanterie)
671 Geb. Inf. 90 Ski troops (Gebirgsinfanterie)
673 Genietruppe 31 with rifle grenades
674 Genietruppe 57 with rifle grenades
676 Geb. Gren. 31 Heavy Ski troops (Gebirgsgrenadiere)
677 Geb. Gren. 31 Heavy Ski troops (Gebirgsgrenadiere)
678 Geb. Gren. 57 Heavy Ski troops (Gebirgsgrenadiere)
679 Geb. Gren. 57 Heavy Ski troops (Gebirgsgrenadiere)
680 Geb. Gren. 90 Heavy Ski troops (Gebirgsgrenadiere)
681 Geb. Gren. 90+ Heavy Ski troops (Gebirgsgrenadiere)
683 PzFaust 3 T Tm missing unit
684 PzFaust 3 IT Tm missing unit
688 4.7cm PAK 41 Weapon Slot 2 different
689 9cm PAK 50 Weapon Slot 2 different
690 9cm PAK 57 Weapon Slot 2 different
691 24mm TB 41 Tm 24mm version
692 4.7cm IK 35/41 IK -> Infanteriekanone
694 Sch.sch.SIG550 Stgw90 with Sniper targeting system
696 Fuesilier 57 with rifle grenades
697 PzGrenadier 57 with rifle grenades
698 Radfahrer 57 with rifle grenades
699 Aufklaerer 57 with rifle grenades
700 Fuesilier 90+ with PzFaust 3T DC
701 Radfahrer 90+ with PzFaust 3T DC
702 Aufklaerer 90 with rifle grenades
704 A Aufkl Det 10 THE elit unit (Commando scouts, poss. ranger)
705 Gren. A XXI PAL THE new Grenadier (Commandos) with ATGM-Weapon
706 Grenadier A XXI THE new Grenadier (Commandos)
707 Grenadier A XXI THE new Grenadier (Commandos)
710 Funk Puch 4x4 instead of generic Scout vehicle
711 Funk Jeep instead of generic Scout vehicle
713 Jeep Utility vehicle
714 Puck 4x4 Utility vehicle
720 3x60mm Moerser tripple Mortars
721 3x60mm Moerser tripple Mortars
722 3x81mm Moerser tripple Mortars
723 3x81mm Moerser tripple Mortars
724 3x81mm Moerser tripple Mortars
725 3x120mm Moerser tripple Mortars
726 3x120mm Moerser tripple Mortars
727 3x120mm Moerser tripple Mortars
728 3x120mm Moerser tripple Mortars
729 3x120mm Moerser tripple Mortars
731 4xM50 FH 155mm Howitzer come in packs of four
732 4xM-35 105mm Howitzer come in packs of four
733 4xM-46 105mm Howitzer come in packs of four
734 4xM-42 155mm Howitzer come in packs of four
735 4xPz Hb 66 Artillery come in pack of four
736 4xPz Hb 74-88 Artillery come in pack of four
737 4xPz Hb 88/95 Artillery come in pack of four
738 4xPz Hb 88/95-3 Artillery come in pack of four
863 Rpe Trsw 68 poss. It is unit 236
865 Personenwagen Utility vehicle
866 M37 Dodge 4x4 Utility vehicle
868 PC-21 the new OP Aircraft and trainer
869 Polizei Police
870 Polizei Police
871 Polizei Police
872 Piranha 6x6 Piranha 6x6 without TOW used as armoured car
873 TOW Piranha PJ+ EW 3 (VIRSS 1 shot) if used as ATGM
875 Pz 87 LEO (A4+) the same as unit 018 but with refited gun / new ammo
876 Pz 87 LEO WE+07 the same as unit 026 but with VIRSS 1 shot
877 Pz 87 LEO WE+10 THE newst refit of LEO 2 is planed (~A6) with VIRSS
879 RadSPzPiranha+ the same as unit 059 but with VIRSS 2 shots
880 RadSPzPiranhaAC the same as unit 879 but with 20mm cannon (~ASLAV)
882 Mw Pz 64/74 SP Mortar with newer Mortar then unit 023
883 Mw Pz 64/87 SP Mortar with newer Mortar then unit 882
884 Mw Pz 64/91 BH SP Mortar with newer Mortar then unit 883 and refited M113 base
886 Flab Pz 68 a few were built and in use for about six years
888 Trial Truppe 11 cavalry
890 ITOW Team TOW is in use since 1986
891 TOW 2 Team
893 MOWAG Eagle IV+ in use as APC with VIRSS 2 shots
894 MOWAG Eagle IV in use as APC
896 RadSPz Piranha in use as armoured car
897 MOWAG Eagle in use as armoured car
899 TOW Piranha AU Piranha 6x6 used as Scout vehicle, TOW as self defense weapon
901 Bunker Heavy fortifications - Mountain cavern
902 Pz Shelter Heavy fortifications - Mountain cavern
904 Festung 31 Heavy fortifications - Mountain cavern
905 Festung 57 Heavy fortifications - Mountain cavern
906 Festung 90 Heavy fortifications - Mountain cavern
907 Bloodhound SAM still in use after refit until 1999
908 Rapier SAM Mk2 improved Rapier since 2004
909 Tracked Rapier+ improved tracked Rapier at 2014
911 Crew 90 Never leave your personal weapon
912 Crew SMG Never leave your personal weapon
914 Pz 68 AA5 90-99 latest version of Pz 68
915 Pz 68/75 (AA4) 83-95 bigger turret then Pz 68 AA4
916 Pz 68/75 (AA3) 79-93 bigger turret then Pz 68 AA3
917 Pz 61 AA7/8 76-82 2nd last version of Pz 61
918 Pz 58 (61) 58-64 prototype of Pz 61, several built and in use for ca. 6 years
919 G-13 - CH vers. G-16 without MG
920 PzKpfw 38(t) original from Pz 39 (unit25), in use before rebuilt
921 Renault M17 FT 46-48 early tank
922 PzW 34 VICKERS 46-50 early tank
924 Vickers HMG 46-56 Haevy MG Team
926 Patroullie 31 Marines, patrol boat crew
927 Patroullie 57 Marines, patrol boat crew
928 Patroullie 57 Marines, patrol boat crew
929 Patroullie 90 Marines, patrol boat crew
931 KC 57 guards squad / military police
932 KC 57 guards squad / military police
933 KC 90 guards squad / military police
934 Sappeur 11 commando engineers / demolition squad
935 Sappeur 31 commando engineers / demolition squad
936 Sappeur 57 commando engineers / demolition squad
937 Sappeur 90 commando engineers / demolition squad
938 Sappeur RL 96 commando engineers / demolition squad
939 PzArtillerieK68 73-85 105mm artillery cannon
941 LPz2000 (CV90) 110-120 possible light tank based on CV90 with short 120mm gun
943 MOWAG Eagle V possible next generation scout vehicle
944 MOWAG Eagle V possible next generation armoured car
946 JAS39 Gripen 114-120 possible for replacing Tiger II
947 Eurofighter 114-120 possible for replacing Tiger II
948 Eurofighter 114-120 possible for replacing Tiger II
949 Rafale Air 114-120 possible for replacing Tiger II
950 F/A-18F Hornet 114-120 possible for replacing Tiger II
952 Bulldozer
955 *unreal past*
957 2x 81mm LLRS M113 with long range rocket launcher
959 PC-7 (FB) PC-7 as Fighter-Bomber
960 PC-7 (LB) PC-7 as Level Bomber
962 Staghound 60 fills gap
963 Pz 57 / 88 Centurion modern
964 Pz 57 / 120mm Centurion modern
970 *unreal future*
972 RadSPz TOW 8x8 ultimate heavy APC
973 TOW Piranha 8x8 why not 8x8 instaed of 6x6
975 Pz 68 ERA what if…
976 Pz 87 LEO ERA what if…

if wished I can send a Excel sheet...

[Pats]

see post above

[Pats]

With replacing the Hunters (units 147/148) in 1994 the Swiss Air force hasn't an air-surface aircraft any more. The Replacing Mirage III (149/150/161) and Tiger II (151-153)as well as the F/A-18 (156-158) are or were only in the role as air-air or recon missions air crafts. All three are theoretical capable of Air -Surface Attacks, but the Swiss Air force never bought any Weapons to do so!
In Future when the Tiger will be replaced (~2015) the new Aircraft will be possible equipment with air-surface weapons.

So will it be what could be (have the air crafts with possible air to surface missiles) or should it be "realistic"? In that case the Tigers, Mirages and F/A-18 should be removed.
The Mirage could then only stay as a air OP aircraft...
In case of the game balance (you need air-surface supporting air crafts) remove at least the Maverick and CBU and use only Swiss weapons (that would be quit realistic)

[PlasmaKrab]

Pats,

I have no idea how the Swiss air force works, but don't they have some kind of stocks of basic air-to-ground weaponry that could be brought up in case of extended conflict? Like dumb bombs or rocket pods? I have trouble imagining F-5s serving as interceptors only.
In the worst case, even interceptors can strafe ground targets with their guns...

[Pats]

That's probebly exactly what they would have to do if they had to strike ground targets. But old rockets and dumb bombs wouldn't do much damage to an Abrams or Leopard tank.
A far mor effective way to destroy tanks "en mass" is a good artillery; and the swiss is not the worst artillery you can have. In fact I would say it's probebly one of the most effective in the world. So what you need bombers for, if you can strike everything that crosses your border with 5-10m precission several times each minute with intelligent ammunition and from the top? All you need to do is protect your artillery with a realy good air defense. And that's exactly what the Swiss Air Force (that includes by the way the air defense systems like the Rapier (Mark Two - where is that in the game any way?) as well) is trained for; intercept and destroy hostile airplanes.

[DRG]

"Pats".. are you still checking this forum?

Don

[Pats]

ah, yes why, did I miss something http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
oh, I just noticed the message, but I couldn't reply http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

I'm still working on the OOB; espacially the weapon names. Some more trucks and other vehicles.
And I'm still trying to get the Para troops right - they are mainly para scouts (Fallschirmaufklärer) and heavy para infantry (Grenadier)

How can I send you my "details" if I can't replpy the message?

[DRG]

Just click on my name ( DRG ) then, when the new screen appears click on " Send a private message " then send me you home email address and we'll get started

If that doesn't work let me know and we'll go to "Plan B" The OOB is very good but there are "problems" we need to deal with

Don

[Pats]

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[DRG]

OK, Try again. I reset that option

Don

[Pats]

there will be an updadet oob in the 3.5 patch, that's why I don't post any new verions at the moment...

[Pats]

Thanks a lot Don (and Andy) for the new version.
Good job!

Never less, I keep checking, testing and modifying the OOB; so I have already "four differences" made out.

My mistake:
- Unit 731 - there should be 4 NOT 3 155mm M-50's!
Two new Units:
- Unit 974; Pz68 with a 120mm Gun (Prototype in the 90')
- Unit 978; Mowag SAM with Rapier MkII (build for export but theoretically available. Also with Stinger?)
Radio Codes:
- Lots of rare units had code 92, means AI chose those. Changed them to 91. Easy available units or standard units I changed to 92, so AI chooses them.
Indirect firing Fortifications:
- n.a. Fortifications can't fire indirect, only Mortar and Artillery can (right?)
- So Units 760-765 (Mortar Bunkers) must fire indirect -> change them to what? Mortars?

********************

new Version... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Pats]

1st
Anyone has a idea how to "create" fortification units with indirect fire capability like mortars?
If I mix fortification icons with mortar the game produces some strange icons in the game; like a mortar on top of a bunker http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
In the MOBHack isn't an Icon at all... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif

2nd
Any Ideas, what could be added next to the swiss oob?

[Marcello]

"Anyone has a idea how to "create" fortification units with indirect fire capability like mortars?"

What I have done is classing them as SP mortars (with zero speed of course). In its basics it seems to work but I never did more than a couple of tests.

[thatguy96]

On the first point I would agree that you should try a SP indirect fire class with 0 movement. Also, what happens if you give a mortar front, side, and rear armor? I did this in one of my OOBs for a mortar pit, but never tested it out. I get the feeling Andy has said before that this creates issues in game.

On the second point, I was thinking about doing this myself for my aircraft pack at a point, but figure I'll just post it here.

This link (http://www.vectorsite.net/avhunt_2.html) mentions a so-called "Hunter 80" program that gave Swiss F.58/A Hunters an AGM-65B capability. Might be interesting to put that in.

[Pats]

1st
Thanks, works fine... put it online after testing a bit more.

2nd nice link, sounds interesting; I'm working on it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Pats]

Some more changes done so far:

/threads/images/Graemlins/Bomb.gif Unit 884 and 765 getting AP ammo so the Weapon 218 (BIGHORN Mortar)

/threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gif Unit 941 LPz 2000 (CV90120-T) gets a 120mm L50 gun not L42
Weapon 242 changed for that

/threads/images/Graemlins/icon02.gif Unit 626 BISON (Art Bunker ON the map) gets new class 130 (SP Howitzer not used other wise yet) at speed 0
I also think Icon 408 fits better

/threads/images/Graemlins/icon02.gif Units 760-765 (Mortar Bunker ON the map) are now SP Mortar with speed 0 as suggested
Formation 093 has to be earlier dated ('46) to be able to purchase them

/threads/images/Graemlins/Lightning.gif Unit 034 has a <font color="red"> wrong ROF </font> (0) changed that to 9

/threads/images/Graemlins/PointRight.gif Formations 320-324 added (realistic tank companies etc. / "PzKp14")

Unit 225 only available 'til 67 (Unit 740 starts at 68)
/threads/images/Graemlins/icon02.gif Unit 740 and 225 get new class 137 (SP Rocket launcher)
New Formation to cover that change 330/331

I decided to add for now some new Hunter Aircrafts; for that I needed a heavier bomb;
so added Weapon 197 (750lb Bomb) to fit the heavier warload for the Swiss hunter.
New Hunter version are
Units 831, 832, 834...836 and 838...840 (eight / 8!) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Pats]

Some of the newest changes:

New (or better old) Anti Aircraft Units
Unit 887 SP AA Quad AMX-13 (20mm)
Unit 757 7.5cm AA fort.
Unit 758 7.5cm AA

Weapon 063 + 064 (Quad 20mm AA + 7.5cm AA)

And more.. but to many to list them all ;-)
Just download and enjoy...

[Pats]

I have a version with completly reworked order of units, weapons and formations.
I supose it's not compatible with the original pick list, but to play with the swiss army against the computer works fine and it's easier to find units especialy in the Enzycopedia.

EDIT: I just thought I post a new version of this reorganised obat http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Pats]

I've done some of the trucks and utility vehicles.

Units 202 - 222
Unfortunately most of the LBMs are not even very close to the real pictures.
But as I'm not able to generate LBMs I had to use what was there...

[Pats]

Does anybody might help and could possible convert those pictures (bmp) into LBM - Files?

[thatguy96]

There's a plugin for Paint Shop Pro (and I think no other program) to convert to LBMs. If you have them otherwise in the proper format (color, size, etc), someone with that program should be able to help you out.

[DRG]

Pats said:
Does anybody might help and could possible convert those pictures (bmp) into LBM - Files?



Here you go Pats. Please don't use photos that leave a blank white space on either side . It looks like crap in the game and it's a PITA to retouch when the photos are sized to 160x80

Don

[Pats]

thanks a lot http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Pats]

And here it is. The package with the "new" pictures... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/beerglass.gif

(pm24985.lbm - pm25000.lbm / as close as possible to other "Swiss" pictures)

[PlasmaKrab]

By the by, I have totally forgotten to post these for the last weeks...
Here are some other Swiss .lbm pics I have come up with for the Cold War mod, if you're interested.

[Pats]

cooool!

[Pats]

ok, I quickly put some of PlasmaKrab's pictures in my obat... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif

(lbms are 24966 - 24983)

[DRG]

Pats..... is this OOB compatable with the existing game or is the ...."version with completly reworked order of units, weapons and formations."

??

Don

[Pats]

No, it's "my" version. I didn't want to change the v3.5 too much without talking about. But I could also change the pictures at"your" version, with pleasure (and anything else you're suggesting).

P.S. I'm playing with both. The reworked when I play the swiss, and the v3.5 when I play against the PC.

[Pats]

Here is the original v3.5 with the same pictures I put in the "version with completly reworked order of units, weapons and formations"...

[DRG]

OK.. does this OOB have the changes you put in 06/20/07 ( before you posted the reworked version )

Don

[Pats]

no only 'til the one in #517212 - 02/05/07 02:11 PM

and some from #518746 - 06/05/07 09:03 PM
The Formations 320-324 and 330/331 are somehow misssing (sorry) also some of the weapons and the hunter80 I added.
Unit 887 Unit 757 and Unit 758 are in - but without Weapon
(Weapon 063 + 064 (Quad 20mm AA + 7.5cm AA) and the 750lbs bomb)
I'll fix that and post that later if you like..

[DRG]

Yes please

Don

[Pats]

here we go...


still to come, formations for following units:

331 - Fsch Sniper (143 - Para Sniper)
332 - Fsch Sniper (143 - Para Sniper)
334 - Fsch Hvy Sniper (143 - Para Sniper)
356 - Fsch PzF-3 (142 - Para Inf-AT)
357 - Fsch PzF-3 (142 - Para Inf-AT)
358 - Fsch PzF-3 (142 - Para Inf-AT)
360 - Fsch 12.7 HMG (144 - Para MG)
361 - Fsch 12.7 HMG (144 - Para MG)
363 - Fsch MG51 / 57 (149 - para MG Section)
364 - Fsch MG51 / 90 (149 - para MG Section)
366 - Fsch Moerser (173 - Para Mortar Team)
367 - Fsch Moerser (173 - Para Mortar Team)
369 - Fsch PAL BB65 (207 - Para-ATGM Team)
370 - Fsch PAL BB77 (207 - Para-ATGM Team)
371 - Fsch PAL BB77 (207 - Para-ATGM Team)
372 - Fsch PAL BB77 (207 - Para-ATGM Team)
373 - Fsch PAL BB77 (207 - Para-ATGM Team)
374 - Fsch PAL BB77 (207 - Para-ATGM Team)

[Pats]

How would work a version with the formation from v3.5 but with reworked weapons and units?
The AI chooses only formations, doesn't it? Or is it picking more complicated?

[DRG]

If you move the units and/or weapons it buggers up any scenario or save game using the OOB

Don

[Pats]

Could you please name one scenario with obat53?
I couldn't find one... :-)

[Pats]

Copying this files into the
"WinSPMBT/Game Date/Text" - Folder
allows you to read the remarks for some of the units of Obat 053.

There will be more...

[DRG]

Pats said:
Could you please name one scenario with obat53?
I couldn't find one... :-)



In this particular case, you may have a point. I will consider this option and weigh the pros and cons.

If ANYONE knows of a sceanrio posted anywhere or that anyone has built that has Swiss units let me know. It doesn't just have to be Swiss as either P1 or P2....... it can also be a scenario with units taken from the Swiss OOB as "captured".

I'll also take this oportunity to do an informal poll

Who ( besides Pat and sometimes me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ) plays as the Swiss either generated games or PBEM ?

Don

[whdonnelly]

Gentlemen
I have set up a few battles, either as part of UN, or Warsaw Pact, but nothing published, saved, or PBEM
Will

[PatG]

If the Swiss OOB has those "Hogan's Heroes"-esque 120mm mortars disguised as tree-stumps, it might bring me back to MBT http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Pats]

@PatG - if you think of the fortified mortars - yes they in...

[Pats]

more... txt

more and edited text...

[Pats]

This is the Version 3.5 of the 053 Obat.
But with some corrections.
The Formations 22 + 23 had a wrong end date (new is 2020)

The Unit with the Vehicles MOWAG Eagle have been changed.
Eagle IV for example is not in use (yet). The Version Eagle III is a special concept as a FO Vehicle.

Units No changed:
052, Speed 25 (less hp), Named: Aufklw 93 Eagle
259, Named: KdoF Eagle III, Vision: 50 -&gt; needs new LBM, (this one is the Eagle II)
260, is now KdFz Eagle (not Eagle IV)
262, Named: Aufklw 93/97, introduced 1999 (=Eagle II)
263, is now Aufklw Eagle III (not Eagle IV)
270, is now Aufklw Eagle III (not Eagle IV)
893, possible introduced in 2010 (Eagle IV)
894, deleted
897, Speed 25 (less hp), Named: Aufklw 93 Eagle
943, possible Named: Aufklw Eagle IV
944, possible Named: Aufklw Eagle IV

Formations(334 - 349)for the missing para units have been added.

The ZIP File includes some LBM to be added into the PIC Folder of the game.

[Pats]

This is "My" Version with reordered Units and Weapons...

I prefer to play this one :-)

[DRG]

Pats, why does the "My" version have 8 photos converted to LBM but not numbered?

Contact me off list. I need to re-add your email to my address book anyway.

Don

[Pats]

accidently...?!

Here is also a BMP - File of an Eagle III

[Pats]

This ZIP file contains two folders.
Both with new/more text files.
One folder for the obat053 V3.5 and the other one for "my" reordered version...

[Pats]

he, he http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
The ZIP folder contains two sub folders.
One with a new obat053 V4.0 with some changes and a xls-file which lists those changes... (Eagle and Stgw90 and so on...)
The second folder has some bmp-files I would like to use in my obat (as lbm files). So if someone could please http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

Don't get me wrong, the new version is <font color="red">fabulous </font> and there is NO need to download or even install this updated version. But maybe somebody likes to see what I changed for my self... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

edit:
By the way. this changes are already in "my" reordered version.

[Pats]

Ok, minor fault:

Unit 731 should have only 70 ammo not 90 (HE) shouldn't it?
(155mm Off Map Arty)

Some Units with mounted AA guns have 120 instead of 90 ammo...

[Pats]

This is my new obat53 version based on the 4th update.
:evil:
But carefull it's a reorganized and NOT campatible Version. Only used IF you like to play the Swiss Army. It also contains some LBM files. If you don't no what's to do NOT change your current installation!
:angel

[cbreedon]

thanks Pats... I always like to use your OOBs.

[Pats]

In v4.0 of the Swiss :swit obat is a minor "fault".:doh:
Unit 952 Bulldozer (Engineer Tank) is available from 1946 - unfortunately the formation 077 Engineer Tanks only from 1963. It should be changed to 1946 otherwise it's not possible to purchase any engineering tank before 1963.

This is corrected in this attached and REORDERED and NOT Compatble version of the obat053. It also contains a new picture and therefore a new Unit (and some changes with the armored cars as I found out they have their units on the outside and not like apc's inside the vehicle). This Unit 007 GMTF(DURO IIIP) is called "Geschuetzter Mannschafts Transport Wagen" based on the DURO truck. But it's armoured and armed and will be ordered next year an introduced to the troops aprox. 2010.

[iCaMpWiThAWP]

This is my new obat53 version based on the 4th update.
:evil:
But carefull it's a reorganized and NOT campatible Version. Only used IF you like to play the Swiss Army. It also contains some LBM files. If you don't no what's to do NOT change your current installation!
:angel
NOT compatible with what?

[Pats]

PBEM, Scenarios, campaigns saved games etc. made BEFORE this download...

[iCaMpWiThAWP]

PBEM, Scenarios, campaigns saved games etc. made BEFORE this download...
Ah, got it, also WHERE's the download link!?

[Pats]

PBEM, Scenarios, campaigns saved games etc. made BEFORE this download...
Ah, got it, also WHERE's the download link!?

about 4 posts above...:smirk:

[Pats]

UNIT 037 SPz 63/89 (M113) should have two smoke dischargers.
(see attachment)

[Pats]

I have here a nice picture of a 20mm AA Gun (already converted into LBM format) that would be nice to have for Unit 82 in the original obat53 (v4.0).

Maybe the developer like to use this in the next Update.

I named it pm27555.lbm (used in my very own version of the Swiss obat - unit142)

[Mobhack]

UNIT 037 SPz 63/89 (M113) should have two smoke dischargers.
(see attachment)

And that is one S/D in the game - the number has nothing to do with the physical mountings. There are but 6 tubes in that total array.

Andy

[Pats]

UNIT 037 SPz 63/89 (M113) should have two smoke dischargers.
(see attachment)

And that is one S/D in the game - the number has nothing to do with the physical mountings. There are but 6 tubes in that total array.

Andy

OK, one would be ok. But there is none at the moment...

[Pats]

Here is my obat53 :swit(reordered version) for 4.5 (I had to change some of the pictures).

Later in the year (before the next patch in fall) I'll send some information ("error" report) on the actual patch 4.5

Thanks again to the developer.

:nono:
**Warning: DO NOT copy this File into your oob folder if you have a pbem running or using any game involving the Swiss obat!**

[DRG]

I'm not quite sure where this "Next patch in fall" came from but that's the second time I've read it today

We have NO PLANS to issue any further patches for either game this year. What I said in another post is we wouldn't be thinking about STARTING WORK on another patch until the fall.

OK everyone????

Don

[Pats]

I'm not quite sure where this "Next patch in fall" came from but that's the second time I've read it today

We have NO PLANS to issue any further patches for either game this year. What I said in another post is we wouldn't be thinking about STARTING WORK on another patch until the fall.

OK everyone????

Don

That's actualy what i ment:doh:. If wished I can send datas in fall (or later) when you start thinking about a new patch :angel

[Pats]

Here a list of things I found so far in a nearly perfect game :up:

Formations
Formation 023 - end date has to be 120 (2020)

Units
Unit 913 Pz57 was a year later introduced Start date 1 of 58 (not 57) and did have still the 20lb Gun (Weapon 86 instead of 89). The vision should also be only 10 (not 15)
Unit 918 Pz58 (61) The vision should also be only 10 (not 20)

Unit 692 - <4.7cm IK 35/41 (class 2 Inf-AT) is assigned to nation 0 Unknown – I can see why; it’s actually a bit a silly picture for it…it’s more like LBM 684 – I’ll try to find a better one.

Add Formations 336…351 for Orphaned Units - see attached obat53

Weapons
054 - 7.62 Hughes ChG – UNUSED – could be deleted

Suggestions
Unit 034 TransportPz T16 – change Weapon in Slot 1 to 13 instead of 11

Unit 655 Pontonierboot – change name to Motorboot P46
Unit 656 Pontonierboot – change name to Motorboot P46
Unit 657 Pontonierboot – change name to Motorboot P80
Unit 658 Pontonierboot – change name to Motorboot P80

Add a new Unit 501 GMTF(DURO IIIP) – see attached obat53 (NEEDS Picture)
Add Weapon 065 12.7 Mg93 ATMG- see attached obat53 – used by unit 501

Add new Units 502, 503, 504 Motorcylces with SMG’s - see attached obat53
Add new Units 505, 506, 507 Flamethrower teams – see attached obat53
Add new Units 508…520 Infantry with TI vision - see attached obat53
Add new Units 522, 523, 524 Hunter with 1000lbs bombs - see attached obat53
Add Unit 526 Centurion Mk3 from the British for a few month - see attached obat53
Add Unit 528 Motorboot P46 (Variant wit AT-Gun) - see attached obat53

Add a new Unit 530 Armeetaucher (Diver) – see attached obat53
Add Formation 354 for Armeetaucher (Diver Section) – see attached obat53

Add Weapon 063 Langgewehr 1911 - see attached obat53 – used by units
Add Weapon 064 Stgw 90 kurz - see attached obat53 – used by units

Weapon 231 Stgw 90 Swat change Accuracy to 6 (not 1)
Weapon 232 Stgw 90 Cmdo change Accuracy to 6 (not 1)


Pictures (LBM’s)

Gmtf.lbm should be used for the new Unit 501 GMTF(DURU IIIP)

G-13.lbm can be used instead of 25065 (for Units 923, 919)
Pz 39 (LTH).lbm can be used instead of 25094 (for Unit 025 only)

Motorboot P80.lbm can be used instead of 1955 (for Units 657, 658)
Motorboot P46.lbm can be used instead of 13190 (for Units 655, 656)

Stgw 90 Swat.lbm can be use instead of 25087 (for Units 328, 515, 704,711)
Stgw90 Cmdo.lbm can be use instead of 25087 or 45020 (for Units 329, 514, 517, 530, 703, 708, 709, 869)

Hunter1.lbm can be used instead of 8128 (for Units 830, 831, 832, 833, 834, 835)
Hunter2.lbm can be used instead of 8128 (for the new Units 522…524 Hunter with 1000lbs bomb)

And thanks once more to the team!

[Pats]

FASTBOAT TOUGH wrote in his thread "MRAPs and a couple of general questions":
>> 4. Switzerland, Denmark & Germany/MOWAG DURO IIIP/2007/C2 P10/Remote 7.62mm or 40mmAGL/IU/
http://www.military-today.com/apc/mowag_duro_iiip.htm

>>I had in this thread:
Add a new Unit 501 GMTF(DURO IIIP) – see attached obat53 (NEEDS Picture)
Add Weapon 065 12.7 Mg93 ATMG- see attached obat53 – used by unit 501
Gmtf.lbm should be used for the new Unit 501 GMTF(DURU IIIP)

that's the same light apc...


@Don
to answer your question...

> Can you give me some links to information on the LPz 2000 please.
> All I can find is it's a private venture AKA "CV90120-T". I can find no
> information indicating it's in service anywhere

>> used to be here http://www.ruag.ch/Land_Systems/Heavy_weapon_systems, but seems to be removed a while ago and the project cancelled.

[DRG]

Yep. It's been removed from the OOB

Don

[Pats]

It's still listed here:

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/cv90/

quote:
CV90120-T tank
The CV90120-T is a light tank which has a Hagglund turret mounted on the latest CV90 chassis. RUAG Land Systems of Switzerland has developed the fully stabilised 120mm high-pressure smoothbore CTG 120/L50 gun, which has a rate of fire of up to 14 rounds a minute.

Saab Systems of Sweden has developed the fire control system, UTAAS, and the panoramic low-signature commander's sight which give the tank hunter / killer capability.

The tank's battlefield management system is based on fully integrated, scalable and open electronic architecture and a video network with displays at each crew station...

...but not in service or even purchased anywhere.

[Pats]

obat 53
unit 075
the crew no of 3 should be reduced to 2
(like all other Dragon teams)

[Pats]

ok, I have some isues with lbm-pictures in the Swiss oob.

Units 501 (lbm 32001), 522, 523, 524 (lbm 32002) are missing the pictures.
Also Units 830-835 (lbm 32003).

For Units 858, 859, 860, 861 and 839, 840 I would have this picture (attached).

[DRG]

Those photos were done and are in my working game but were not copied into the patch. I'll need to double check if any more were missed

Don

[DRG]

There were four photos missed all in the Swiss OOB.

Here they are. I've put them in the next pach folder as well

Don

[Pats]

First thanks (once more) to the developer.

Here is my obat53 (reordered version) for 5.0 - enjoy

**Warning: DO NOT copy this File into your oob folder if you have a pbem running or curently using any game involving the Swiss obat!**

It might be necessary to download the pictures from DON's post (above)

I hope there are not to many faults ;)

[Mobhack]

Don't even think about copying any modified OOB into your OOB folder directly.

Create a sub-folder to unzip the modified OOB(s) into, and use the OOB swap utility to load the mod when needed, or to reload the official one when required from the backup set of official oobs included for that purpose. ( Located in Game Data\OOBs\Default OOBs).

Photos will go in the usual folder - cannot be swapped in and out, but do not affect game play (but weirdness can occur if the OOB modder has overwritten stock pictures!).

However, if the mod has a changed AI pick list then you have problems as AI picks cannot be swapped and they will affect any AI purchase if you try swapping the default OOB back in - see the sticky at the top, ie basically create a brand new game installation for such AI mods.

See the Game Guide -> Game Installation -> Manage OOB Sets for the default case (modified OOB with no AI pick list changes)

cheers
Andy

[Pats]

By the end of 2009 all the Sp Mortar (12cm) are out of service.

Unit 883 should have a end date of 12/109
Units 884 & 971 can be deleted

Formation 322 get also end date 12/109 (last service in April 2009)
Formations 93/94 need also end date 12/109


The 120mm Mortar (Infantry) Units 174 and 729 were phased out off service sometimes arround 2004-2006

There are discussions going on to bring them back (the officers didn't were very happy to loose such powerful support...)


source (in German):
http://www.infbat70.ch/default.asp?V_ITEM_ID=4665

[Pats]

Hi everyone
Based on my investigations on Swiss (obat053) artillery here some sugestions for the next release:

:)First on-map field guns:

unit 047 and 048; 155mm howitzer - didn't found any evidence they were ever used by the Swiss army - could be removed
unit 090 10.5cm Kan 35 with Weapon (Slot 1) 110 10.5cm Kan42 - see Weapon entry below (Kan35)
unit 091 10.5cm Haubitze with Weapon (Slot 1) 111 10.5cm Hbz46 - Date 1/46 - 12/79 (not until 12/105)
unit 092 155mm Howitzer with Weapon (Slot 1) 112 155mm M-42 FH - change name in 15cm Hb 42 and enddate 1/79

create new units:

clone from unit 090 - but change date: from 1/65 until 12/94, and Weapon 005 in slot 2 into Weapon 007
clone from unit 091 - name it 10.5cm Hb 42; Weapon 111 in slot 1 should be changed to the clone of it (10.cm Hb42 see weapon entry below); Date 1/46 - 12/79
clone from unit 091 - name it 10.5cm Hb 46; change date: from 1/65 until 12/94, and Weapon 005 in slot 2 into Weapon 007
clone from unit 091 - name it 10.5cm Hb 46; change date: from 1/80 until 12/94, and Weapon 005 in slot 2 into Weapon 007, and vision to 10
clone from unit 091 - name it 10.5cm Hb46/91; change date: from 1/91 until 12/94, and Weapon 005 in slot 2 into Weapon 007, and Weapon 111 in slot 1 into Weapon 109,
and vision to 10, and HEAT ammo to 0
clone from unit 091 - name it 10.5cm Hb46/91; change date: from 1/94 until 12/94, and Weapon 005 in slot 2 into Weapon 008, and Weapon 111 in slot 1 into Weapon 109,
and vision to 10, and HEAT ammo to 0
clone from unit 092 - name it 15cm Hb 42; change date: from 1/65 until 1/79, and Weapon 005 in slot 2 into Weapon 007

The crew numbers for unit 91 and 92 (and their clones) could be increased by 1 (total of 7 and 9)



Therefore following weapons need to be adjustet (manly new names) or looked at:

109 10.5cm Hbz46/91 is correct
110 10.5cm Kan42 must actually be 10.5cm Kan35
111 10.5cm Hbz46 is correct it's the same as Hbz42 (wich should be added as a clon from Weapon 111 and named as 10.5cm Hbz42)
112 155mm M-42 FH should be 15cm Hb 42 L28 - that seems to be the correct name for the only ever used heavy (over 105mm) field gun.
140 155mm M-50 FH I would leave it in for the PzArtK68 (SP Artillery) prototypes.



:)Second off-map field guns:

unit 049 M-50 155mm as before - could be removed
unit 053 10.5cm Kan 42 - see Weapon entry above (Kan35)
unit 054 10.5cm Hbz 46 - correct
unit 055 M-42 155mm FH - End date 12/79

unit 267 10.5cm Hbz+ - End date 12/94
unit 268 10.5cm Hbz+ - End date 12/94

unit 731 M-50 155mm as before - could be removed
unit 732 10.5cm Kan 42 - see Weapon entry above (Kan35)
unit 733 10.5cm Hbz 46 - correct
unit 734 M-42 155mm FH - End date 12/79


Formations:

End dates might need to be adjustet


source:
http://www.sieber-online.ch/artillerie/frauenfeld/goodbye/entwicklung.htm


next I'll look at the AA-guns

When that's done I will upload a new reordered version of my own.:D

[Pats]

There are ore were three classes of the Swiss AA guns (called Flab = Fliegerabwehr), light, medium and heavy (=sch).

The haevy flak after WWII was the 7.5 cm Flab (Unit 758) which could do with a new LBM (24964 attached) and with Icon 61.
Also name it 7.5cm Sch Flab
This heavy AA was often used fortified (unit 757) but with end date 12/68

Later the 7.5cm Sch Flab was replaced by area SAMs Bloodhound and then Rapier wich is still in service under the heavy AA
(no change here as I cheked those earlier).

The medium flak is covered by the 34mm Flab 38 (unit 085) wich ended not before 12/65. I think Icon 1981 fits better too.
(Radio code might be better of with 30 too)
It even needs a clon that last from 1/63 until 12/89 (!) but with weapon 007 in slot 2
Units 086 - 089 and 755 are the newer medium flak (35mm KDB) They seem to be ok.


Now with the light flak it seems to need the biggest adjustment.
An other typically fortified flak was the 20mm Flab 54/60 wich needs to be created.
It has two 20mm AA-Guns (which weapon isn't existing yet) and is mounted on a concrete socket.
It could be cloned from unit 757 but needs lots of adjustments (mod original 5.0 obat53 is attached).

The three existing 20mm flak in the obat might be expended to 16 units (!)
Unit 082 20mm Flab 44 thats actually not to bad, but it must be 20mm Flab 43 (also the weapon 068 is 20mm AA-Gun 43), end date 12/57.
Unit 083 20mm Flab 57 must be the 20mm flab 43/57, end date 12/69, maybe Icon 411
Unit 084 20mm Flab 54 end date 12/69
That leaves us with 13 new units, wich are mainly modifications (clones) from unit 083 and 084.

new unit 20mm Flab 38 from 1/46 - 12/65 with new weaopon 20mm AA-Gun 38 Weapon 5 in slot 2, Range finder and Fire control 3
new unit 20mm Flab 38 from 1/63 - 12/72 with new weaopon 20mm AA-Gun 38 Weapon 7 in slot 2, Range finder and Fire control 3
the radio should be 41 or 31 (mod original 5.0 obat53 is attached).

new unit 20mm Flab 43/50 earlier variant (clone) of unit 083. Dating from 1/46 - 12/59, Radio 41, Range finder 3

new unit 20mm Flab 54 clone of unit 084 Dating from 1/63 - 12/74, weapon 007 in slot 2
new unit 20mm Flab 54 clone of unit 084 Dating from 1/70 - 12/74, Fire control 6, weapon 007 in slot 2
new unit 20mm Flab 54 clone of unit 084 Dating from 1/74 - 12/97, Fire control 7, weapon 007 in slot 2
new unit 20mm Flab 54 clone of unit 084 Dating from 1/75 - 12/97, Fire control 8, weapon 007 in slot 2
new unit 20mm Flab 54 clone of unit 084 Dating from 1/77 - 12/97, Fire control 8, vision 10, weapon 007 in slot 2

new unit 20mm Flab 43/57 clone of unit 083 Dating from 1/63 - 12/74, weapon 007 in slot 2
new unit 20mm Flab 43/57 clone of unit 083 Dating from 1/70 - 12/74, Fire control 6, weapon 007 in slot 2
new unit 20mm Flab 43/57 clone of unit 083 Dating from 1/74 - 12/83, Fire control 7, weapon 007 in slot 2
new unit 20mm Flab 43/57 clone of unit 083 Dating from 1/75 - 12/87, Fire control 8, weapon 007 in slot 2
new unit 20mm Flab 43/57 clone of unit 083 Dating from 1/77 - 12/87, Fire control 8, vision 10, weapon 007 in slot 2

and other new interesting units would be
7.5mm Doppel Mg (double Mg) with 7.5mm (2) AAMG which needs to be added to the weapon list.
One dating from 1/46 until 12/65 and the other from 1/63 until 12/72 (change the second weapon from 5 to 7), Icon 634?

the 20mm SP flak (unit 043 - 20mm AA dodge) from the austrian obat46 could be added as well (1/61 - 12/67)

I also found some pictres but nothing realy usable in the game due copyright isues or low quality.
I've put some in as attachemnt anyway for some impressions.

source: http://www.amicale-dca.ch/kalter_krieg.htm

[DRG]

Pats, has this OOB been altered ONLY with these changes you noted and nothing else ?

Don

[Pats]

Yes I used the default obat to add those artillery and flak and changed the existing (Arty and AA). But nothing before that (the mortars for example). But to be on the save side you might just copy/paste the ones out you'd like to.
Same with the weapons.

The formations though need to be checked!

(I did change a lot more in my "reordered" version but nothing "important", mainly names and radio codes...)

[Pats]

Modified oob (Switzerland).

enjoy :)


File includes two LBM's (Pictures) for the attached oob.
Only recomended for expirienced users :angel


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[DRG]

Pats, is this modified from the official game OOB or your re-organized one ?

Don

[Pats]

Pats, is this modified from the official game OOB or your re-organized one ?

Don

"highly altered" means in this case also re-organized :rolleyes:

[cbreedon]

Pats

I enjoy your OOB's and play the Swiss a lot. Your renaming, etc brings authenticity to it.

Thanks

[Pats]

v5.5 - obat53

Unit 801 has no Weapon 1 should be No 112
Unit 802 has wrong Weapon 1 should be No 110

Some Weapon mix ups for units 775-792 deatails later when I checked.

[Pats]

v5.5 - obat53

Unit 776 Weapon 1 should be 79
Unit 779 Weapon 1 should be 69
Units 785,786,787,788,789 should have Weapon 1 No 69 (tripple 20mm)

[Pats]

Is it possible that the Picture LBM 12041 has been altered?

It is more likely the M109A7 or Paladin Unit 042 in obat12 (PzHb88 in obat53) then M109A1 or A2 Units 040 + 041 in obat12 (PzHb74+79 in obat53), what it used to be (at least in the swiss an us OOB).

A Good picture for all A1 and A2 variants would be LBM 8013 (Unit40 obat12) I think. Or the old LBM 12041 ...

The difference you can recocnize at the back of the tower (The Icon shows that nicely).

[Pats]

This is my reorganised and altered obat53 for the Swiss army.
(The final one for this version...)
In the basics it's the same as the original but some of the units have different names and dates.

The ai picklist works fine but any campaign or scenario started with the original obat won't work proper any more.


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[Pats]

As usual biggest thanks to the team first.:up:
Here what I think could be seen as minor "Hickups" to a otherwise (for me) nearly perfect oob :D

Unit 025 had, according to this page, http://www.militaerfahrzeuge.ch/unterkategorie_13_10_44.html, 1 mg 7,5 mm Lmg 25, 2 mg 7,5 mm Pzw Mg 38.
So The 7.5mm LMg 25 LMG (Wepon 10 in slot 4) is missing.
Unit 020 seems to have still the LBM (25070) from Unit 024 instead from Unit 021 (8013) (back of turret)
Unit 026, without the extra armor it still should use Icon 1417 and 2587
Unit 057 has still the LBM 12041 instead of LBM 24977
Unit 075 Dragon Unit, Why are there 3 crew members, all the others Dragon units in the oob have a crew of 2.
Unit 094 Machine Gun Section, this is the only one with size 1
Unit 118 could still use LBM 25036
Unit 201 wrong LBM should be 25088 like other bunker
Unit 216 and Unit 219 need a ROF
Unit 231, Unit 908 and Unit 909 crew 10 and size 3 recommended
Unit 291 Weapon 2 still 5 not 215
Unit 618 avaiability recommended from 1/48 until 12/59
Unit 619 and Unit 623 don't need ROF
Unit 635 according to this page http://www.militaerfahrzeuge.ch/unterkategorie_13_17_56.html no weapon
Unit 637 obsolete it hasn't a blade attachet, it's useless in MBT, only has crane.
Unit 639 should have a 12.7mm MG (according to http://www.militaerfahrzeuge.ch/unterkategorie_13_17_55.html) better Icon 2091
Unit 741 from 1/63 but Weapon 13 instead
Unit 922 Swiss version didn't have the 0.5 TMG (AFAIK)

[Pats]

"This mod contains highly altered or additional files that may or will cause interference with the master game files and it is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED that this mod be installed and played ONLY in a separate copy of the game and NOT run from the master game"

:up: The Version 7.0 is, as it is nearly perfect and clearly enough for most poeple to play the Swiss OOB. So again thanks a lot to the developers.

:D I still prefer to have my own "personalized" Version - so if there is anyone who finds this more enjoiable use this Version of the obat53 (SWISS).
Is there any LBM missing please let me know here, and I will upload it as well.

Major differences are, some Dates (avaiability), Units (names) and wapons (Designation). A few new Units. Formations shouldn't be different at all (AFAIK).

[Pats]

This Time I revorked ALL the planes :angel
based on this page http://saf.hermannkeist.ch/
and others,
and some of the helos.

~Units 582 - 664 & 720 - 742 & 810 - 834

If someone knows better Icons or LBMs please let me know...

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[Pats]

I have noticed that in my oob the sounds didn't match due to the changes in the weapon tap (see patch 7 notes)

Here is the corrected oob - for now with mostly the Standard values.
I will use however the new option and change the oob in a while.
:D

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[Pats]

ERROR in OBAT053 (Switzerland) official Patch Version 7.0
(I think they would be wrong)

Unit 236 - Weapon Slot 1 has wrong Sound (208) it hasn't a .50 cal MG (it's a 0.3 cal MG)
Unit 638 - the same as above
Unit 659 - Weapon Slots 1 AND 2 as above
Unit 662 & 663 - Weapon Slots 1 AND 2 have wrong sounds too
Unit 760 until 765 - Weapon Slots 3 AND 4 have wrong sounds
Unit 790 - Weapon Slot 2 has wrong sound
Unit 904 until 906 - Weapon Slots 3 AND 4 have wrong sounds

Never payed much attention to the sounds before...:angel

[DRG]

ANY custom OOB made before this last release WILL have sound problems unless the OOB designer goes through every weapon and zeros the new Weapon sound data field.

It's easier than it sounds but it depends on how many problems exist and every OOB is different....from what I can see looking at an old copy of your Swiss OOB there are quite a few to change to zero. I would suggest starting with weapon #1 then using the down arrow on your keyboard check for any entry in the weapon sound data field and make them ZERO........ the game will then pick up any sound file changes you made to the UNIT WEAPONS data. The only weapon that should have a number in the weapons sound data field right now is a heavy sniper rife gets sound 30....... that will change over time but for now that is the only weapon that uses this new system. I didn't want to complicate things any further on the first go but evenetaully when I add new sounds to the game it will be with the weapons sound data NOT unit sounds

[Pats]

Unit 002 (Pz51 = AMX-13) isn't quite align with the French (obat06) Unit 005 (AMX-13).
Therefore I would suggest changing unit 002 in the Swiss obat53 to the same as the French.

Survivability 4 -> 3 (it is in the end only a light tank)
Smoke Dischargers 1 -> 2 (there were 12 Smoke grenades aviable, plenty for two discharges)

At least this early version shouldn't be any different from its origin. There were made some improvements later, but i haven't found any details yet.
If I can find any informations about those improvements and if they could be game relevant i'll post them here.

[Pats]

Unit 002 (Pz51 = AMX-13) isn't quite align with the French (obat06) Unit 005 (AMX-13).
Therefore I would suggest changing unit 002 in the Swiss obat53 to the same as the French.

Survivability 4 -> 3 (it is in the end only a light tank)
Smoke Dischargers 1 -> 2 (there were 12 Smoke grenades aviable, plenty for two discharges)

At least this early version shouldn't be any different from its origin. There were made some improvements later, but i haven't found any details yet.
If I can find any informations about those improvements and if they could be game relevant i'll post them here.

I stay (half) corrected, it seems the French AMX is out of the role... e.g obat01 (Unit008) is the same as the Swiss Version also obat16 (Unit005) but the Austrain (obat46 - Unit004) is like the French again... there might be more.

[Pats]

Ok, this one confuses me.

Units 290 & 291 (90mm Mecar PH)
I have absolutley NO idea what they are :confused:

They are classed as Pack Howitzer (196)
The Weapon (100) is classed as medium gun (6)
The Picture Looks like an american 75mm AT-Gun
And they are in Formation (187 & 188) with Pack Animals (Unit 599 - Packesel)

Fact is: The only 90mm (AT-) guns in the Swiss army are represented with Units 689, 690 & 180 - 183

Guns transported by Pack Animals (horses) were usualy Howitzers, but 75mm (7.5cm Gebiergsgeschuetz - Mountain gun).
Or later the normal 105mm field guns (like unit 803 for ex.)

For the existence of those 90mm Mecar I couldn't find ANY source.

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Cavalry troops shold have a end date of 72 (Units 888 & 889) and be renamed into "Kavallerie"
Pack animals (Unit599) end date extended to 120 (Needs poss. clones with newer weapons or so). Units could be named "Train Truppe" (Horse troop)

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Is it possible in any way to simulate non Projektile weapons? I don't talk about Lasers ;) I mean Sabers... (for cavalry)

[DRG]

The Mecar is a Belgian gun. I have NO idea when that was added in but it's on the list to investigate


Don

[Mobhack]

a quick google shows up an old Tanknet post - see e.g post #5 in the thread. Apparently used as a mountain gun.
http://208.84.116.223/forums/index.php?showtopic=25248

The Swiss Pak 50 and 57 (units 689,690), although also 90mm are different beasts from the Mecar/Cockerill and were primarily for anti-tank work

Andy

[Pats]

I should have written "For the existence of those 90mm Mecar in the Swiss army I couldn't find ANY source".

[Pats]

I have some TXT files (in the right order) for v7.0

[Pats]

Suggestion for adding two Prototypes (early 40's).
An assault gun (Nahkampfkanone II) and a self propelled gun (Nahkampfkanone I - three versions).
The weapon number has to be changed according to Version 7.0
from 214 to 168 (75mm Hbz)
from 105 to 172 (105mm Hbz)
and
from 92 to 85 (75mm M40)


what do you think?

(http://www.militaerfahrzeuge.ch/Raupenfahrzeuge_13_30.html)

[Mobhack]

Suggestion for adding two Prototypes (early 40's).
An assault gun (Nahkampfkanone II) and a self propelled gun (Nahkampfkanone I - three versions).
The weapon number has to be changed according to Version 7.0
from 214 to 168 (75mm Hbz)
from 105 to 172 (105mm Hbz)
and
from 92 to 85 (75mm M40)


what do you think?

(http://www.militaerfahrzeuge.ch/Raupenfahrzeuge_13_30.html)

These 2-5 prototypes were never proceeded with, the Hetzer doing the job post WW2.

They are there in my "Swiss Blue" WW2 OOB (as prototypes only): http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=49787

Cheers
Andy