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RicoRico
January 18th, 2007, 11:48 AM
Hi there

List is full, we're playing.

Status:
It is a Middle Age game
Map = medium random (15 provinces per player)
Host = I'll try (first time!)
Rules = standard + 15 Hall of Fame + no graphs + 50 magic sites

Players:
1. RicoRico -------- Machaka
2. Ewierl ---------- Man
3. Teraswaerto ----- Pangaea
4. danm ------------ Agartha
5. GameExtremist --- Vanheim --- eliminated
6. FAJ ------------- Shinuyama - gone AI
7. Sorlakind ------- R'lyeh
8. Frank Trollman -- Ermor ----- eliminated
9. Micah ----------- Abysia
10. johnarryn ------- Marignon -- eliminated
11. Darrel ---------- Pythium
12. Manuk ----------- Caelum
13. Baalz ----------- Bandar Log - eliminated
14. Morkilus -------- Arcoscephale
15. Reverend Zombie - T'ien Ch'i --- eliminated
16. (AI) ------------ Oceania

We're all set.
See my latest posts.

Ewierl
January 18th, 2007, 12:07 PM
I'd love to play, especially such a laid-back game! I don't think I can host, though. I'd prefer MA, mostly because the two MP games I've played so far have both been EA, and I'm sick of Helheim being in the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I would prefer nation choice, but I'd be okay with randomly selected nations too.

Teraswaerto
January 18th, 2007, 12:12 PM
I'd like to play, any age is fine, but I'd like choice of nation so I can try a new one: Pangaea. Random nations is ok if that's what others want.

Dedas
January 18th, 2007, 12:17 PM
Count me in as well! Oh, and this would be my first PBEM of Dom3 if I can join.

Cheers!

Kyosti
January 18th, 2007, 01:06 PM
Count me in please! A turn a day sounds delightful .. I have only played by hot seat until this , so I'm very excited. I prefer early and middle ages , but late will do as well.

FAJ
January 18th, 2007, 01:22 PM
Count me in, Ill choose nation later.

Agrajag
January 18th, 2007, 01:24 PM
I'd like in too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Though Only if it is LA :X
And I don't know much about hosting PBEMs :\

Sorlakind
January 18th, 2007, 01:51 PM
Count me in too.

If it's MA, I'll try Rlyeh.

Best,

P.S: I would lend a hand on hosting, if I had my setup ready. I'm writing a (series) of Python scripts to automatically host a game/send the turns to the players/backup last turn with a few more bells and whistles. But it's still in the very early stages.

Reverend Zombie
January 18th, 2007, 02:03 PM
I'd like in, too, especially if it is LA--I'd like to try Man there.

FrankTrollman
January 18th, 2007, 05:09 PM
Deleted.

Micah
January 18th, 2007, 05:14 PM
I could probably squeeze one more game in, no real preference on nation, especially not knowing what age we're playing in.

-Micah

johnarryn
January 18th, 2007, 08:09 PM
I'd like to play... if we're choosing nations then Marignon I suppose, although I like random nations also.

FAJ
January 18th, 2007, 09:23 PM
put me down for Shinuyama

Sir_Dr_D
January 18th, 2007, 10:12 PM
Put me down. I am not sure which nation , I will come up with one later. I would prefer random nations.

Manuk
January 18th, 2007, 10:46 PM
If you can count me in. Random nations and era is ok to me

Baalz
January 18th, 2007, 11:16 PM
I'll play, I'll take whatever nation is left over. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

RicoRico
January 19th, 2007, 11:44 AM
Hi all

Seems we have enough players. I'll try and host it, but I might need to fiddle a bit because it's a first time, should be OK..

- It's Middle Age game
- I suggest we play a medium random map
- standard setting, except Hall of Fame 15 entries
- pick nations

Those who have not chosen a nation yet, do so now. I can also (random) pick for you if you want.
Just name your nation, who's first is first! I'll update the first post with the chosen nations.
And you can email your Pretender (password protected) + your name & nation to:

secondrico AT hotmail.com

Good luck and have fun!

Oh and, Agrajag and ReverendZombie, are you playing as well, even though it's Middle Age?

Sorlakind
January 19th, 2007, 12:01 PM
What's a medium map, 20 provinces per player? And what will be the amount of water provinces? I suggest using 20 water provinces (or whatever ratio is used in "medium" maps) per water nation.

Since my pretender design depends a little on these type of issues I'll dfelay sending it until we have a more complete notion of the nations that are playing, size of map, etc.

Best,

RicoRico
January 19th, 2007, 12:10 PM
Medium is 15 provinces per player... Latest medium map I checked (for 13 players) had 25 water provinces.

Manuk
January 19th, 2007, 12:26 PM
how do you make a pretender for a random nation???

RicoRico
January 19th, 2007, 12:31 PM
not playing random, so you can choose a nation and post it here. If you see that you are the first, you can send me a Pretender.
If you still want yours to be random, I'll appoint you a nation and update the list on the first post.

Agreed?

Manuk
January 19th, 2007, 12:34 PM
ok. tonight i will choose a nation

Micah
January 19th, 2007, 12:34 PM
abysia here

Reverend Zombie
January 19th, 2007, 01:14 PM
RicoRico said:

Maybes:
- Reverend Zombie - Only if Late Age? (Man)

Let's get going! :-)
See my latest posts.




Seeing as how one of my other games just ended I am able to play this one and still have room in my schedule for a LA game if one starts up.

I'd be up for T'ien Ch'i, if you have the room for me.

Ewierl
January 19th, 2007, 01:17 PM
No chance it can be Large Random instead? I like longer games, less Bless Rush. But I'll play either way http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I've been meaning to play Man some more, I loved them back in Dom2. I'll send my Pretender this evening when I'm home from work.

Manuk
January 19th, 2007, 02:21 PM
I laugh of that sacred cremme

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FrankTrollman
January 19th, 2007, 02:55 PM
Deleted.

Manuk
January 19th, 2007, 03:50 PM
frank, you are a crazy-site addict

Dragonlord
January 19th, 2007, 04:07 PM
Ooh, is there any chance of me joining ? Let me know if someone drops out...I just started my first MP game but one turn per 24 hours isn't enough to satisfy me, so I'm on the lookout for more MP games.

Agrajag
January 19th, 2007, 04:35 PM
Okay, I'll play even though it is MA (I was really rooting for LA though, I'm already in EA and MA games, but no LA).
I choose Oceania, will submit pretender later :X

Sorlakind
January 19th, 2007, 06:35 PM
Rlyeh pretender sent.

I concur with F. Trollman on 50% for magic sites.

Best,

Evilhomer
January 19th, 2007, 07:12 PM
sent an arco pretender

Sir_Dr_D
January 19th, 2007, 09:28 PM
I will play as Pythium.

Manuk
January 20th, 2007, 07:42 AM
Abysia´s pretender sent

RicoRico
January 20th, 2007, 09:06 AM
Manuk, Micah was first first with Abysia.. Can you choose another?

And I'll put magic sites at 50%.

Reverend Zombie
January 20th, 2007, 11:38 AM
Tien Chi sent.

Teraswaerto
January 20th, 2007, 11:47 AM
Pangaea has also been sent.

FAJ
January 20th, 2007, 01:55 PM
Shinuyama sent

Ewierl
January 20th, 2007, 04:52 PM
I did send Man as well, friday evening.

Dedas
January 20th, 2007, 06:27 PM
Sent mine, saturday evening.

I'm playing Agartha.

RicoRico
January 20th, 2007, 06:28 PM
Yup, I'm updating the first post everytime I check

Agrajag
January 21st, 2007, 06:40 AM
Pretender sent.
They way its built... This should be interesting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Kyosti
January 21st, 2007, 09:06 AM
I sent a Vanheim pretender.. the latter is the correct one.

RicoRico
January 22nd, 2007, 06:29 AM
just the Manuk & Baalz pretenders to be sent...
almost there :-)

Baalz
January 22nd, 2007, 11:59 AM
Oops, sorry for the delay guys, forgot I signed up for this. Slim pickings on the nations left, guess that's what I'll get. I'll give the monkey men a try, sending pretender now.

johnarryn
January 22nd, 2007, 03:45 PM
I know that it takes some time to get all pretenders together and start a game, but I do hope the actual turns will run a bit more quickly... I know this is supposed to be a relaxed, casual game, but will there be any deadlines in terms of turns? It always is annoying to wait a day or two on one person.

Dedas
January 22nd, 2007, 03:53 PM
I think there at least should be a deadline of at least 4 days.

Baalz
January 22nd, 2007, 04:01 PM
Yeah, I agree it'd be nice to have a set host schedule, maybe 2 to 3 times a week (or whatever the consensus is of what "casual PBEM" means) that we all try to have our turns in. With a long term game like this and this many people, it's unfortunately likely somebody is gonna be real tardy regularly or just up and disappear on us.

Ewierl
January 22nd, 2007, 04:17 PM
My vote would be for a reasonably prompt baseline schedule (every 2-3 days or whatever), but with lots of flexibility for times when people can't get their turns in on that schedule.

There are limits, though. If one person is consistently being late without warning/explanation, we and our esteemed host may want to deal with that.

Dedas
January 22nd, 2007, 05:03 PM
I agree.

Agrajag
January 22nd, 2007, 05:46 PM
My concept of a "Casual PBEM" is along the lines of no hosting schedule at all, but if everyone agrees that X is taking too long, the turn is hosted anyway. (which figures out to 2-3 turns a week)

Reverend Zombie
January 22nd, 2007, 06:04 PM
I think a set schedule of some sort is best--anywhere from once to 3X per week?

Leaving things indefinite is going to encourage straggling.

RicoRico
January 22nd, 2007, 06:34 PM
Hi all

It's a lot of people indeed, and thus quite likely there will be delays. Just looking at my situation: I could probably play 2 to 7 turns a week, depending on my Real Life activities http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif. But there will definitely be times and can't make a turn for a whole weekend (though that will not be often), and I'm planning a 10-day skiing holiday somewhere in the coming 2 months (but that's just once). That's why I tried to set up the Casual Game.
If the 10-day holiday is problematic, I could transfer control to another player for that period, and skip a few turns. Not so good for my strategic planning of course, but hey, at least I'll save some gold ;-)
I agree with some here that if certain people are consistently delaying the game, we should host anyway, or if it gets really out of hand, replacing him with a computer player, if everyone agrees. I'll set up a master password for such a case (don't worry, I see no fun at all in cheating).

Let's just see how it goes for now and find out what the 'natural' pace is and go from there. For the next 2 weeks, I can probably play a turn each evening.

I'll try and start the game tomorrow evening (GMT). I contacted Manuk by email and personal message some times, but he has not responded yet. He sent a pretender last week but it was already taken by Micah.

Micah
January 22nd, 2007, 06:34 PM
yeah, and the last thing I want to have to worry about while being casual is consensus-building over how long is too long =)

Manuk
January 22nd, 2007, 07:32 PM
Caelum pretender sent.

FAJ
January 22nd, 2007, 07:34 PM
How about it just hosts whenever the host gets all the files; with 3 days being the max for a stale without an excuse/notification?

RicoRico
January 22nd, 2007, 08:03 PM
We can start the game.
As it's my first time, just to be sure:
Which files should I send you now, and then each turn?
I have:
- ftherlnd
- both map files (.rgb and .map)
- all .trn files
- all .2h files

Sorlakind
January 22nd, 2007, 08:08 PM
You must send the .rgb and .map files so that players have the map. You must also send the .trn files (the *turn* files) to all players. We, the players, after making our moves will send you the .2h files which you put in the game folder (by the way tell us the name of the game also). You host, and then send us the .trn files.

Rinse and repeat.

RicoRico
January 22nd, 2007, 08:28 PM
Thx Sorlakind.

I am sending the files to all of your email addresses in a 5 MB ZIP file.
The game name is:
CasualPBEMGame1

Let me know if you did not receive it!

Have fun!

FAJ
January 22nd, 2007, 08:48 PM
Didn't get it.

Baalz
January 22nd, 2007, 08:51 PM
I don't know, my thought is for nice casual game a 10 day break (or whatever) should be fine, no big deal. The idea of having a set hosting schedule is to keep the game moving along at a reasonable pace whenever there is not a reason not to, but we can be pretty flexible as long as we're not just wondering if we're ever gonna hear back from somebody. FWIW, I second the suggestion for a 3 day max turn window without an excuse/reason. I'd also suggest that everbody try to take their turns as fast as they comfortably can whenever they don't have a reason not to...which is to say it'd be nice if some turns took less than 3 days. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

RicoRico
January 22nd, 2007, 08:57 PM
redoing it with gmail account right now.. hotmail was EXTREMELY slow...
I really should sleep now so if this does not work I'll do it in the morning.

johnarryn
January 22nd, 2007, 09:37 PM
I did get your test, just not any files(my email is johnarryn@hotmail.com).

FAJ
January 22nd, 2007, 10:05 PM
I got your "test" e-mail this time

Baalz
January 22nd, 2007, 10:36 PM
ew, you don't want to post your email address like that out in public, bots scan the web for email addys and add you right to spam lists. Its usually a good idea to post something like:
My address is johnarryn at hotmail dot com...humans can read it but bots can't.

Sorlakind
January 23rd, 2007, 12:11 AM
RicoRico said:
redoing it with gmail account right now.. hotmail was EXTREMELY slow...
I really should sleep now so if this does not work I'll do it in the morning.



Received your test email (the one from hotmail) but nothing from gmail.

What do you mean by slow? When sending a file via hotmail, what happens is that the file is uploaded to the server and then delivered to all accounts. If you have a low upload bandwith it will be slow no matter you use hotmail or gmail (or any other method by that matter). But I suspect you know all this.

RicoRico
January 23rd, 2007, 03:51 AM
Yup I know, but my connection is quite fast.
I've now sent the 5 MB file using gmail again, this time it worked. Turn files won't be so large so we should be fine.
Have fun!

Agrajag
January 23rd, 2007, 09:50 AM
I got your Email with the 5mb attachment.
You don't need to send all the .trn files, just the one for the specific nation that player is playing.
If someone didn't setup a password, then someone could use his .trn file to access his nation and get free intelligence. (though I suspect the criminially minded could also do this to a passworded file).

I can see however why it would be easier to just zip it all up and send everyone the same thing. (And since I'm password protected, I'm not that worried http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif)

RicoRico
January 23rd, 2007, 10:03 AM
hmm... It's quite a lot more work to send 16 emails, each with a different attachment, than just one email to all of you, with one zipped attachment. I'd quite prefer to keep sending all of the .trn files.
You all did use a password, right? And you're all sort of grown up enough not to want to cheat, right? :-P

Note to all: please put the game name, nation name and turn number in the subject line, makes it a bit easier for me to keep track later in the game. Thanks! (for lazy people, abbreviations are also fine, e.g. 'Casual arco 1')

Agrajag
January 23rd, 2007, 11:05 AM
Well, I'm no grown up, but I'm also no cheater http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Dedas
January 23rd, 2007, 11:53 AM
I admit that I forgot the password... but I believe that you won't cheat. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Sorlakind
January 23rd, 2007, 11:58 AM
RicoRico, should we send the .2h files to your hotmail or the gmail address?

Ewierl
January 23rd, 2007, 01:59 PM
I sent my turn back in without checking the forums first, so I didn't put nation and turn in the subject line. I'll try to do so for the future, but just hitting "reply" is such a tempting shortcut http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

FAJ
January 23rd, 2007, 02:14 PM
For PBEM games I always just hit reply. i put nation and turn number in the body.

RicoRico
January 23rd, 2007, 03:10 PM
12 of you already sent their turn, all of them to my GMail account. So, let's keep it at that account for now then :-)

Would be nice indeed to have some script to make things faster indeed.. if anyone knows of something useful, it'd be great!

Reverend Zombie
January 24th, 2007, 10:42 PM
Would someone PM me with the host's gmail address, please? I've got my turn, but deleted the email before I took note of the address.

FAJ
January 24th, 2007, 10:43 PM
Post deleted by FAJ

RicoRico
January 25th, 2007, 04:11 AM
Hi FAJ.. Would you mind editing your post and rewriting my emailaddress using 'at' in stead of @... For the spambots ;-)

I got the last .2h file just now. I'll host the turn when I get home from work!

RicoRico
January 25th, 2007, 04:21 PM
Turn 2 is sent..

Something strange though.. How can Arcoscephale have 10 commanders in the Hall of Fame? Weird?

johnarryn
January 25th, 2007, 07:38 PM
I've seen the weird Arco thing before in other multiplayer games in which Arco wasnt even playing. I think for some weird reason when there isnt anyone to put in the Hall of Fame yet, the Hall of Fame is filled by default with guys it says belongs to Arco.
Anyway, Arco (are they even in the game?) doesn't have all those guys in the hall of fame. Its just a strange bug.

Evilhomer
January 25th, 2007, 07:40 PM
I'm playing as arco, I have no idea what units those are, they aren't mine for sure.

RicoRico
January 25th, 2007, 08:10 PM
ah well... just looked strange ;-)

13 out of 16 people's turns are in!

Evilhomer
January 25th, 2007, 08:15 PM
a bit dissapointed, read you mes before I got the turn, was hoping 10 heroes had showned up or something =)

RicoRico
January 26th, 2007, 09:09 AM
:-P bit of a bummer I imagine yes

When Vanheim sends the turn I'm ready to host

Agrajag
January 26th, 2007, 09:56 AM
IIRC Arco has the lowest id number, so that would explain why the mysterious champions belong to Arco (though not why they appear in the first place)

Dedas
January 27th, 2007, 03:58 PM
Any updates?

RicoRico
January 28th, 2007, 07:53 AM
Still waiting for Kyosti's Vanheim turn..
I'll send him an email to check

Kyosti
January 28th, 2007, 09:54 AM
Yes, sorry to keep you waiting. The turn is now sent.

RicoRico
January 28th, 2007, 10:37 AM
Great! I hosted and sent turn 3 to all of you.

Agrajag
January 28th, 2007, 11:30 AM
>_<
I keep getting confused between this and another PBEM I'm in.
I keep forgetting which one I've submitted my turn for and which one I didn't. (I was worried for a second there when I saw you hosted turn 3)

RicoRico
January 28th, 2007, 01:22 PM
:-)
can imagine... maybe keep your Sent Emails, so you can check?

RicoRico
January 28th, 2007, 02:25 PM
15 out 16 have sent turn 3 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Just Oceania and it's go.

Ewierl
January 31st, 2007, 11:16 AM
When should we apply the new patch?

johnarryn
January 31st, 2007, 07:30 PM
Still waiting on Oceania?

RicoRico
February 1st, 2007, 04:04 AM
yeah.. he's not answering my email and PM....

Perhaps we should try and post a message if we know we're going to be late.

RicoRico
February 1st, 2007, 05:43 AM
I'd say apply the patch after you have sent turn 3, so most of you can patch now.. I'm still checking if I should patch before or after I host...

Sorlakind
February 1st, 2007, 11:07 AM
Patch *after* hosting the current turn.

RicoRico
February 1st, 2007, 07:49 PM
I checked the patching question in the manual (sorry I was lazy before).. says all of you should finish the current turn using 3.04, then I should patch before I host, and then all of you should patch before you load the .trn.

johnarryn
February 1st, 2007, 08:01 PM
It really doesnt matter that much if you host with 3.06 and they send in 3.04 turns... it occasionally makes something slightly weird happen, but nothing game-breaking, in my experience

Dedas
February 2nd, 2007, 08:25 AM
What shall we do about Oceania?

RicoRico
February 2nd, 2007, 11:10 AM
We have been waiting since Sunday for him, and he does not respond to emails or PMs. Maybe he's on a holiday or something, but I think it's time to host...
Sorry Agrajag!

Don't forget to update to 3.06! I hosted with with 3.06.

johnarryn
February 2nd, 2007, 01:44 PM
I know this game is supposed to be "casual" and all that, but I think that 48 hours is more than enough time for someone to look at their turn, think about it, and take it. If people need more time than that they should PM or email you. I think that you should just host every 48 hours unless you hear from someone.

Dedas
February 2nd, 2007, 02:08 PM
I concur!

FrankTrollman
February 2nd, 2007, 02:10 PM
Deleted.

Evilhomer
February 2nd, 2007, 02:12 PM
Usually some scaling effect is a good idea, where players get more and more time to play their turns ....

Sorlakind
February 2nd, 2007, 03:54 PM
I have to agree with johnarryn on this one. Having to wait almost a week, and this at turn 4, is too much. If it continues at this pace, people will loose interest in the game. And as the game progresses, slack just tends to augment.

So I suggest something along these lines:

- Give 48 hrs time. If everybody has sent their turn host.
- At the end of this time, post here the names of nations that have not sent their turn. Wait 24 hrs.
- If no justification/request for delay/a sign of life is given until the end of these extra 24 hrs, go ahead and host.


Best,

Teraswaerto
February 2nd, 2007, 04:44 PM
I find that this game has been going veeeery slow so far. Shouldn't be this slow so early, when it takes 2 minutes max to do your turn.

Reverend Zombie
February 2nd, 2007, 05:14 PM
Told ya so!

RicoRico
February 3rd, 2007, 08:57 AM
I think I like Sorlakind's idea!
So we try to keep up the speed some more, while still allowing for 'casualness', but without keeping people in the dark. It was quite slow indeed for such short & easy turns!

Currently 14/16 turns handed in.
Waiting for Pythium and Oceania.

Sir_Dr_D
February 3rd, 2007, 06:32 PM
I got my turn in now.

The only reason I hadn't subitted it earlier was since the last turn was so slow, it felt like we had more time to think.

Only Oceania left now.

FrankTrollman
February 3rd, 2007, 07:39 PM
Deleted.

johnarryn
February 3rd, 2007, 10:21 PM
No offense to the Oceanian player (if they are still playing) but this is a little silly. We're pretty much always waiting on them.

RicoRico
February 4th, 2007, 09:37 AM
I have not heard from Oceania at all since last Sunday, so I am going to host.

FrankTrollman
February 4th, 2007, 02:57 PM
Deleted.

Kyosti
February 4th, 2007, 07:13 PM
FrankTrollman said:
Oh crap, Lion!
Get in the car!

Well... turn 5 it turns out that the reason I could see Black Candles from the get-go is that I am right next to Vanheim.

I've totally seen this movie: Ermor next to a double-bless Vanheim, it sort of has a foregone conclusion. Oh well, at least our war will be short.

-Frank



Hey, what happened to positive thinking? It's only turn 5 , and I've never played with Vanheim before... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

Sir_Dr_D
February 4th, 2007, 08:13 PM
Kysosti,
Trollman is an expert at playing diplomatic games. He might only be saying that to make you think he is vunerable.

But then he might know from experience that MA Ermor has very little chance against Vanheim.

RicoRico
February 4th, 2007, 08:48 PM
Currently 14/16 turns handed in...
Waiting for Pythium and Oceania..

Hmmm Oceania is being set back quite a lot now..
Thinking of what to do.. would feel a bit bad to replace him without having any contact with him... might just be on a holiday or something, thinking he did not need to mention that with a Casual Game...

johnarryn
February 4th, 2007, 08:57 PM
I doubt Oceania would just go on vacation without saying something. And anyone who lets themselves stale this much in the early game really doesn't care much about the outcome.

I say host without Oceania so we can keep the game rolling.

Sir_Dr_D
February 4th, 2007, 09:04 PM
Pyhtium has now been submitted.

My main concern is R'lyeh now has too big of an advantage. Did Oceania send their password so we can find a replacement? If not we will need to set Oceania to AI.

RicoRico
February 4th, 2007, 09:30 PM
Turn sent...
I agree on the R'lyeh part... If I don't hear anything from Oceania before the next hosting, I'll put him on AI.. :-(
Don't have his password.

Sorlakind
February 4th, 2007, 11:36 PM
I am playing Rlyeh and I surely would *NOT* like Oceania to go AI. I do not want to be the unique water nation and in that way, end up having an unfair advantage.

If Oceania doesn't give a sign of life, can't we find a sub or something? Maybe a post on this forum asking for one?

It's the host's call anyway.

Sir_Dr_D
February 4th, 2007, 11:55 PM
Unfortunatly without Oceania's password, setting Oceania to AI is the only option.

RicoRico
February 5th, 2007, 07:36 AM
11 out 16 turns in.
No sign of Oceania yet.

Sorlakind
February 5th, 2007, 11:46 AM
Darrel said:
Unfortunatly without Oceania's password, setting Oceania to AI is the only option.



Hmmm, forgot the password thingy.

It's a shame really - and yes, for anyone out there wondering, I'm being honest here, I'm much more interested in having a fun and challenging game than any advantage.

On the other hand, my initial position is so sucky, that ending up as the only underwater nation probably won't do me much good.

It's a shame really. Oh well.

RicoRico
February 5th, 2007, 02:11 PM
I was thinking... I could try and find a replacement for Oceania, and give him the master password.
If I would then only send him Oceania's .trn files from now on, he wouldn't be able to check on our turns, would he?

Micah
February 5th, 2007, 04:35 PM
my initial reaction is that it would be safe to do so. Plus, at a certain point, you have to trust people not to cheat. The host certainly could be and no one could do much about it...I think a certain level of maturity is expected, the passwords are just an extra layer of security.

RicoRico
February 5th, 2007, 05:08 PM
currently 14/16 turns in. Waiting for Caelum and Oceania.

I'll start recruiting.

RicoRico
February 5th, 2007, 05:16 PM
To those who came for the opened slot:

Our Oceania player has staled the last 3 turns, without giving any reasons, so we want to replace him (we are currently playing turn 6). Know that you will have a tougher time than usual, because of the time lost (well at least you'll have some gold)!
So if you like a challenge:
First to post here, gets the slot.
I'll send the map & password to you when you're accepted!

Morkilus
February 5th, 2007, 05:51 PM
I'm a glutton for punishment. Sign me up!

RicoRico
February 5th, 2007, 06:04 PM
Ok, Morkilus it is! Welcome to our game.

Please PM me your emailaddress and I'll send you the things you need.
I tried to attach the file to this post, hopefully it works!

Good luck!

15 out of 16 turns are sent. We'll wait a bit more for our new Oceania player to be able to get the files he needs and play&send his turn.

Morkilus
February 6th, 2007, 01:19 PM
Hi guys! I'll send in my turn tonight (-8 GMT)

Morkilus
February 7th, 2007, 12:06 AM
Okay, email replied to RicoRico. Looks like I have my work cut out for me!

FrankTrollman
February 7th, 2007, 04:58 AM
Deleted.

RicoRico
February 7th, 2007, 03:10 PM
ouchm that's gotta hurt! even diplomacy can't save you?

11/16 turns in

RicoRico
February 7th, 2007, 06:17 PM
Just so you know:
I'll not be able to play the whole Thursday (unless all turns are in early in the morning, I am at GMT+1), as well as the whole of Saturday and Sunday until the evening.

Kyosti
February 8th, 2007, 05:56 AM
FrankTrollman said:
Heh. Vanheim got a 40 Flagellant Event. Ermor is toast.

Oh well.

-Frank



You shouldn't mess with Vanheim at their mighty capital!

Ewierl
February 9th, 2007, 01:26 AM
RicoRico said:
Just so you know:
I'll not be able to play the whole Thursday (unless all turns are in early in the morning, I am at GMT+1), as well as the whole of Saturday and Sunday until the evening.



I'll be away all weekend myself.

Currently not sent in this turn yet, trying to confirm some diplomacy before finalizing the moves!

RicoRico
February 9th, 2007, 01:15 PM
15/16 turns in.
Waiting for Vanheim.

Evilhomer
February 9th, 2007, 01:23 PM
turn sent

/arco

RicoRico
February 10th, 2007, 08:02 AM
hosted to turn 9..

I'll be gone for the weekend, back Sunday evening..

RicoRico
February 11th, 2007, 02:51 PM
14 out of 16 turns in...

waiting for Vanheim and Agartha

johnarryn
February 12th, 2007, 08:06 PM
Any updates?

RicoRico
February 13th, 2007, 03:10 AM
still did not hear from Vanheim and Agartha..
I'll send them an email.

RicoRico
February 13th, 2007, 12:20 PM
15 of 16 turns in.

Waiting for Vanheim now.
Wouldn't Ermor be at least slightly happy if Vanheim stales? ;-P

FrankTrollman
February 13th, 2007, 03:04 PM
Deleted.

RicoRico
February 13th, 2007, 05:43 PM
Have not had any response from Vanheim.

Just to make sure: Do you guys all accept some kind of rule to be put in place to keep things going, or at least let everyone know if a turn will be late?
So:
- I will send an email and/or PM after you have not sent your turn for about 48 hours.
- Then, if nothing is heard from you after another 24 hours, turn will be hosted anyway.

I have no problem with people having other things to do from time to time, as long as we know what's going on. It just seems that people suddenly stop playing without giving notice (still heard nothing from our initial Oceania player), and I wouldn't want to wait for that...

Agreed?

If I don't hear from Vanheim tonight, I'll host the turn Wednesday morning, around 8 a.m. (GMT+1). Then it would be 4 days since our latest hosting.

Manuk
February 13th, 2007, 05:47 PM
maybe looking for a replacement for them? or even restart for me at least.

Ewierl
February 13th, 2007, 06:04 PM
A total of 72 hours without any word or warning seems reasonable to me. Maybe look for a replacement before they stale a second time? We did let Oceania stale twice, though.

I don't advise a restart; some person flaking hardly seems reason to throw out the weeks we've been playing so far.

Teraswaerto
February 13th, 2007, 06:10 PM
I like a fairly rigid hosting schedule. If someone misses the deadline without prior warning that they will do so, then tough luck. A stale is rarely fatal. Multiple stales, well, usually when someone doesn't do their turns on time it's going to stay that way - until they drop out completely that is.

There are exceptions to this, certainly, but delaying the game a lot is generally bad.

johnarryn
February 13th, 2007, 08:15 PM
I agree... I think 48 hours + 24 hours is more than fair. In terms of replacements, I think staling multiple times (with nothing said) is ground for this. I see no need to start again, however.

Morkilus
February 14th, 2007, 01:31 PM
I'd like to keep the game moving along; I know I tend to start to forget about the game when I go for more than a couple days without getting a turn. That said, I totally forgot to check the "dominions" mail folder last night http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

(Oceania, not Vanheim)

RicoRico
February 14th, 2007, 02:31 PM
yup... well, I am quite excited as this is my first MP game, and I'm hosting it.. so I find myself checking a couple of times a day even (if I'm not out). So, the faster the better of course!

Anyway, 9 of 16 turns in.

FrankTrollman
February 14th, 2007, 02:57 PM
Deleted.

RicoRico
February 14th, 2007, 08:24 PM
that's ok, don't think I'll be hosting this one and the next one before Friday evening..
I am a bit worried about Vanheim, he hasn't contacted me yet.

currently 13/16 turns in.
Waiting for Arco, R'Lyeh and Vanheim

RicoRico
February 15th, 2007, 12:36 PM
Ok all turns are in except Vanheim, and no word from him yet.

johnarryn
February 15th, 2007, 03:24 PM
I feel like it's fairly obvious that vanheim either a) doesnt care or b) went on some trip and is away... I dont think you should wait on him, seeing as how hes staled before and said nothing to you.

Ewierl
February 15th, 2007, 03:37 PM
When was the last time Vanheim showed signs of life? If I read the forums correctly, it was the 9th or 10th. I think it's time to find a replacement.

RicoRico
February 15th, 2007, 05:02 PM
I am going to host the turn tonight... If he won't make the next turn either, we'll find a replacement...
I would feel bad though, if he's on some unexpected trip or something and would come home finding out his game was taken..
On the other hand, I think we had enough discussion about letting all players know if you will be away to conclude that he is no longer interested...
We'll see!

Micah
February 15th, 2007, 05:32 PM
If the guy was called away by something important enough to prevent him from sending an email in to you about having to leave then it's also important enough to justify him losing his spot in the game.

RicoRico
February 15th, 2007, 06:21 PM
got a point
turn hosted

RicoRico
February 16th, 2007, 06:28 AM
Ok, still no word from Vanheim. I'll startlooking for a replacement.

First to post gets the slot. Plze read up on the latest hosting schedule (48 hrs, warning, 24 hrs, host).

RicoRico
February 16th, 2007, 06:31 AM
Vanheim dropped, so we can use another player! Please post if you want in, we are at turn 11, and Vanheim is not doing bad at all.

GameExtremist
February 16th, 2007, 08:51 AM
I'll sub : )

RicoRico
February 16th, 2007, 10:14 AM
Ok, GameExtremist it is.. Welcome!

I sent you a PM with some info.
Please check post #493870 in this thread (5 Feb), it has an attachment with the map file (and perhaps an Oceania turn, which you don't need).

Good luck!

RicoRico
February 16th, 2007, 09:48 PM
11/16 turns in

Ewierl
February 17th, 2007, 01:25 AM
FYI, I'll be out of touch from Saturday night to Monday night. Shouldn't cause too noticable a delay, but polite to let everyone know http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Morkilus
February 17th, 2007, 03:26 AM
Are we getting a turn this weekend?

FrankTrollman
February 17th, 2007, 03:46 AM
Deleted.

DrPraetorious
February 17th, 2007, 04:09 AM
That hasn't been my experience.

Occasionally some particular Archtheurg will get hung up and refuse to cast Unholy Blessing, it's true. But this is not a universal thing - try switching to a different archtheurg.

RicoRico
February 17th, 2007, 06:02 AM
16 out 16 turns in

Could host turn JUST in time before I leave :-) I'll be back monday evening so no more hosting until then.

RicoRico
February 19th, 2007, 05:45 AM
Misfortune can really HURT sometimes...

Anyway, 14/16 trns in

RicoRico
February 19th, 2007, 12:22 PM
15/16 turns in, waiting for Arcoscephale

RicoRico
February 19th, 2007, 02:47 PM
turn 13 hosted

Teraswaerto
February 19th, 2007, 03:52 PM
Pangaea would like to trade for some earth gems. We can pay with nature gems, air gems, or gold. Contact us for details.

FrankTrollman
February 19th, 2007, 03:53 PM
Deleted.

RicoRico
February 19th, 2007, 05:06 PM
Aha, I see you've made good use of Vanheims 2 month nap ;-)

13/16 turns in

GameExtremist
February 20th, 2007, 05:42 AM
Vanheim shall shine once more! ...well if Ermor does something really silly...

RicoRico
February 20th, 2007, 02:26 PM
14/16 turns in, waiting for Arcoscephale and Agartha.

RicoRico
February 21st, 2007, 11:28 AM
just waiting for Agartha now, I'll send him an email and if nothing is heard I'll host Thursday when I get back from work (about 19:00h (GMT +1))

RicoRico
February 22nd, 2007, 03:30 PM
turn 14 sent!

FrankTrollman
February 22nd, 2007, 04:08 PM
Deleted.

StrictlyRockers
February 22nd, 2007, 05:12 PM
Congratulations Frank!

-StrictlyRockers
(Christo)

RicoRico
February 22nd, 2007, 05:23 PM
6/16 turns in

GameExtremist
February 23rd, 2007, 12:55 AM
The Vanherse of Vanheim steel themselves for the assault, and hope that the reinforcements arrive in time.

It ain't over yet ; )

FrankTrollman
February 23rd, 2007, 01:08 AM
Deleted.

GameExtremist
February 23rd, 2007, 01:26 AM
Who says we're not at your capital? /threads/images/Graemlins/Lightning.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif

RicoRico
February 23rd, 2007, 07:54 AM
Interesting developments there with Ermor & Vanheim ;-)

14/16 turns in already! Waiting for Agartha and Pythium

Ewierl
February 23rd, 2007, 12:18 PM
I'm going to be away from tonight (Friday night) to Sunday night, FYI!

RicoRico
February 24th, 2007, 09:57 AM
Turn 15 hosted

RicoRico
February 24th, 2007, 02:56 PM
9/16 turns in

RicoRico
February 25th, 2007, 12:58 PM
14/16 turns in, waiting for Man and Shinuyama.
I'm off now, so hosting will be Monday evening GMT+1 at the earliest.

RicoRico
February 26th, 2007, 05:36 PM
turn 16 hosted (or is it turn 15, and I sent you turn 16... well...)

7/16 turns in

FrankTrollman
February 26th, 2007, 06:21 PM
Deleted.

RicoRico
February 27th, 2007, 04:01 AM
14/16 turns in. Waiting for Abysia and Pythium

RicoRico
February 27th, 2007, 04:04 PM
nice, fast turn!
turn hosted

FrankTrollman
February 27th, 2007, 04:53 PM
Deleted.

johnarryn
February 27th, 2007, 05:20 PM
Frank,

You're not exactly being fair, nor following Sheap's excellent rules of diplomacy (i.e. carrying grudges from game to game, or anyhow trying to impugn my reputation in other games). My diplomacy was conducted in-character, as were my actions in our game. In this game, I had actually pledged to help Vanheim some time ago... and I did employ some misleading remarks to achieve this end and attack Ermor, but that is the way of war. So, I certainly don't mind you accusing Marignon of treachery... however, to say that I, personally, am not trustworthy is both unfair and untrue. This also carries over to other games I happen to be playing in. Just because I chose to mislead someone in one game does not mean I will do so another... I have been a loyal and true ally in many a game.

Actually, now that I look at my message sent to you, i said, quote: "we have no interest in conflict with you at this time... we wish to claim the independant provinces near your great city." Well, I did in fact take those provinces... and my (in-game) protestation of having no interest in conflict with you was rather vague. At no point did I "promise" not to take your capital.

I just was attacked (without warning) by Darrel playing Pythium. While in-game i'm going to whine about not giving me warning etc, etc. I don't translate that into a judgment about Darrel as a player being untrustworthy. I would appreciate the same consideration from you.

thanks for taking the time to read this rather long post - I think the distinction between player and in-game persona is important; I also think deception is a natural part of war and diplomacy.

Ewierl
February 27th, 2007, 05:28 PM
Deception is an important part, but so is a reputation for truth.

There's a difference between carrying grudges and knowing someone's reputation.

In a system like Dominions where diplomacy is only enforced by trust, earning and keeping trust is necessary. If I thought my neighbors weren't going to keep their word, I wouldn't bother much with treaties. If someone is a loyal and true ally in "many" games, that's very different from being one in "every" game.

Of course, there is a difference between lying and misleading. That's why I always ask people to make explicit statements and pacts... if they say "I have no interest in X", that doesn't actually mean they aren't going to do X. But if they say "I'm not going to attack any provinces beyond this line," then you know exactly what they have and haven't promised to do.

Did Marignon explicitly violate their word, break any promises or pacts? What do each of you say? The rest of the world needs to know...

Teraswaerto
February 27th, 2007, 05:34 PM
Like Ewierl said, there is a big difference in saying "I have no intention of attacking you" and "I agree to a NAP for the next 10 turns", etc.

Treaties should be stated explicitly, and then agreed upon. Breaking such a treaty is one thing, and misleading someone with diplomatic communications is another.

johnarryn
February 27th, 2007, 05:38 PM
Well, I agree with you in part, Ewierl. I think having a good reputation is part of a game... at the same time, I feel it is necessary to again stress the difference between a person and their in-game nation/persona... certainly if a person is consistently untrustworthy and just a jerk, other people might mistrust them. However, using deception in a game is not, I think a reason to distrust everything that person does.

I also like your point about explicit pacts... people who have encountered me in other games may have noticed that I make very very explicit pacts most of the time, because I want to be able to say when and how a pact has been violated, if that happens. I deliberately made my diplomacy with Frank vague because I planned to attack him... more importantly, I feel he read into my words and decided I had "promised" not to attack him, when in fact I had done no such thing.

Anyhow, perhaps i'm just being touchy about my pride or somesuch. I will let other people judge as they wish, although I reserve the right to defend myself =)

Dedas
February 27th, 2007, 05:41 PM
I fully agree with Johnarryn in what he is saying. You may ask why I agree? The answer is because I want to role play when playing this game (and others), and that means not involving my real persona. This is a freedom.
Yes, you can get a reputation as a "player" as not being trustworthy. And the most obvious cause of this would be that you do not keep any promises in any games you play. And as people aren't stupid they see a pattern. The solution is of course to not create this pattern. Try different roles in different games. Then people will understand that you are the role playing type and accept that in this game you are trustworthy and in the other you are not.

Cheers!

Manuk
February 27th, 2007, 05:52 PM
Ok, the misleading thing could be it. But next time in this game Johnarryn tells someone he will do something that someone will have a hard time believing him. I personally don't like to mislead or anything because I want to be believed.
I don't think that he breaked a pact but still it's almost the same thing at the end.

FrankTrollman
February 27th, 2007, 06:28 PM
Deleted.

Evilhomer
February 27th, 2007, 06:36 PM
Strictly speaking he said he had no intrest attacking you at that time, he didn't say anything about later turns, not even one turn later.

johnarryn
February 27th, 2007, 06:45 PM
Frank,

When I send a PM to someone saying:

"We have no interest in conflict with you at this time, preferring to engage our enemies on our southern border. However, we do wish to claim the independant provinces near your great city... should you wish to come to some agreement concerning the releasing of these provinces to you at a later date, we would be happy to consider this."

I feel it is fairly obvious that this in an in-character message... generally i dont refer to myself in the plural "we", nor do I have a southern border with any enemies, except maybe people from New Jersey. So I feel like I was making it plain that this was in-character.

As they say "let he who has never told a lie cast the first stone" (or something similar). Im guessing that almost everyone who has played this game has sent a diplomatic message where they have misled someone, or not told the whole truth...

I feel like Frank is making a mountain out of a molehill because I sunk his chances of making a come back this game. I totally understand if he is angry... it sucked starting next to Vanheim, and then having Marignon pile on was the straw that broke the camel's back. So i'm sorry about that, but not only did I promise Vanheim help (a promise which I kept, by the way), but I didnt relish a resurgent Ermor immediately on my border.

Anyhow, I apologize to Frank for the surprise attack, it wasnt terribly nice... but we are playing a game after all. Anyhow, feel free not to trust me in the future if that is what will give you satisfaction.

RicoRico
February 27th, 2007, 07:05 PM
Just my 2 cents:

My ideal game would be that no one in the game would feel cheated afterwards.
Perhaps in new games it should be explicitely stated to what extent written intentions or explicit pacts are binding, to avoid disappointments for players.

I personally prefer pacts to be binding, as it allows for more efficient planning and a more steady growth, even though role-playing wise it might be very unwise to trust a nation that in principle has no other interest than global domination.

Of course, Marignon's role playing as a 'deceptive' nation may very well leave him short of allies this game, be it short term or long term ;-)

Evilhomer
February 27th, 2007, 07:15 PM
I usually try to be somewhat true to the theme that my nation has. For me it would be very hard to be at peace with Ermor as marignon.

johnarryn
February 27th, 2007, 07:17 PM
Thanks, Evilhomer, for bringing up something I had meant to point out... I never promised not to attack Ermor... in fact, I never even said I wouldn't attack him in the next turn. What I said was that "We have no interest in conflict at this time." Boom. That is all.

To respond to RicoRico, perhaps it would be ok to have a game where explicit pacts were binding. Personally, when I make an explicit pact, I follow it - I have never violated a pact that was specific for a number of turns, etc. I think what is important is that players not assume that a pact exists unless it is explicitly said. I also think diplmacy (and deception) is a part of what makes games like Dominions3, Risk, or even Diplomacy the game fun... its why I like playing MP.

And, if we want to get into the nitty-gritty of roleplaying Marignon, my justification is that in terms of the Dom3 world, Marignon has a very good reason to kill Ermor, regardless of if they have to lie to do it...

Cue in-character:
"Ermor is a nation of evil heritics that must be purified by flame. The Grand Masters will do whatever is necessary to purge the world of Ermor's taint, before it spreads and leads to our downfall."

Ewierl
February 27th, 2007, 07:27 PM
FrankTrollman said:It isn't even "in-character" because it's a private message to the person outside the game.



As an important aside, that claim is definitely unfair. "In-game" messages take a full turn to get anywhere, and are therefore useless for in-game diplomacy. PMs are the only viable option, unless email addresses have been publicized.

Generally, I think the "Royal We" and the content of one's signature tend to show quite clearly when a message is meant "in character."

Sorlakind
February 27th, 2007, 09:17 PM
RicoRico said:
Just my 2 cents:

My ideal game would be that no one in the game would feel cheated afterwards.
Perhaps in new games it should be explicitely stated to what extent written intentions or explicit pacts are binding, to avoid disappointments for players.

I personally prefer pacts to be binding, as it allows for more efficient planning and a more steady growth, even though role-playing wise it might be very unwise to trust a nation that in principle has no other interest than global domination.

Of course, Marignon's role playing as a 'deceptive' nation may very well leave him short of allies this game, be it short term or long term ;-)



Personally, I would never (ok, in principle, never) play such a game where pacts were binding.

The distinction between the in-game persona and the actual 3d person behind it *must* be kept. Of course, if some nation goes the cheating/lying route, than this will impact on the reputation of its player and it will follow him through to other games - but there is no way around that. It is a whole different business when someone goes from calling the leader of a nation a liar or that he has a small dick or has bad breath to transfering those insults to the actual person role-playing the nation.

From what I have read, johnarryn acted purely in-game and calling him (the person) a liar and a cheater is bringing down the level of the game. Ermor was (somehow) deceived? Tough luck - it comes with the territory.

FrankTrollman
February 27th, 2007, 10:36 PM
Deleted.

johnarryn
February 27th, 2007, 10:46 PM
Frank,
At no point did I say I was not going to attack Ermor. Stop claiming that is what I said. As Marignon, I said something that misled you, potentially, but I certainly never said that I would not attack Ermor...

We all have complaints about what happens to use in the game. I'm sure Vanheim isnt thrilled you took advantage of him staling for several turns to prosecute a war against him.

I don't really know what you mean by my diplomacy being "suspect", but the other players will be able to make up their own minds, I think.

Anyhow, I would appreciate it if you stopped calling me a liar.

GameExtremist
February 28th, 2007, 04:16 AM
Well, Marignon didn't make any formal binding agreements with Ermor (and please to stop this becoming personal - although it has gone that way a little we should use the nation names). I see the game (dom3) as having a heavy rp aspect to it - but hey thats me, one game I might be your bosom buddy if I think the RP is justified or the exact opposite i'll tuen on you like a stray dog...depending on the "feel" of that nation, the pretender and what my scales are.

As for Ermor being in a tight spot...sheesh! I subbed into this game in two turns I have a large undead force putting my back to the wall,(not ranting - just telling my side of things) Truely I don't think Ermor is in a bad situation at all if things go their way with Vanheim (that would be me : ( ).

Game on and have fun!

Morkilus
February 28th, 2007, 03:10 PM
Frank: I can understand you being upset, but you have absolutely no basis to call a PLAYER a liar. If you feel the need to write insults, suit it up in a sufficient in-character diatrabe, sort of like this:


Originally posted by Ygorl
Ygorl's goodwill towards Suli-Krom, Vlesthrot, and the people of Vanheim had been magnificent. He set aside his own desires in an attempt to protect a path to the sea for the weaker nation, and even ceded to Vanheim one province in exchange for the right to keep another with Suli-Krom's "goodwill". When this campaign was unsuccessful, due to the rapid growth of Ermor, he relinquished his claim on that land as well. He did this even before the passage of the so-called "Safe Territory" amendment, under no compulsion but the compulsion of his generous hearts. Later, he supported Suli-Krom in his bid for Vice Chairwyrm of the Council, still under the belief that this wyrm had hearts to match Ygorl's.

Some time after the emergence of the dwarves of Vanheim, the great Lord Ygorl inquired if he might have a hammer or two from the short smith-folk in consideration of his past efforts and gifts on behalf of the fledgling Vanheim. Instead of the expected joy at an opportunity to repay past kindness, Vanheim sent an envoy bearing ugly words: "Past favors do not buy present gifts", he said. "Your temples on my borders offend me," he said. The entire nation of Man was thunderstruck... Such an entirely foreign notion was unexpected from their neighbors that until that moment had seemed nearly brothers.

When the beneficent Ygorl replied that he was not the only one with temples in the area, and that he needed his temples to ensure belief in his divinity against the potent faith of Ermor and the vile miasma oozing from the cesspool that was C'tis, and that in fact Ygorl's temples could serve to moderate the impact of these other temples on the faith of the questionable Einheres, Vlesthrot seemed able to grasp Ygorl's divne wisdom. He agreed that Ygorl's temples were reasonable. "Remember, though, your past kindness bought you nothing. Your good works mean nothing. If you want hammers, you will have to pay for them!" He offered to sell Ygorl two such hammers for four hundred pounds of gold; certainly a reasonable price, but hardly a just acknowledgement given all that Ygorl had done for Vanheim when Vanheim was still struggling to make it in this world.

Digging into the records, it seems that the magnanimous Lord Ygorl accepted. He had money for only one hammer on hand, and said that he was sending it immediately and would purchase the second hammer a month or two later. The first hammer arrived two months after Ygorl sent the money; two months later, Ygorl sent the gold for a second. The gold was returned, with a note from some insultingly low-placed peon in the Vanheim government saying that the price had gone up.

Apparently, the mighty Lord Ygorl replied in frustrated disbelief that a supposed "friend" could be so disgustingly duplicitous, dishonest, and greedy. Another niggling worm responded (apparently the prophet of Suli-Krom had better things to do than to converse with the "mere" Lord of Man) that we had been too slow in sending the gold, and that other nations been purchasing hammers for more than the price that they had offered us; and so they were rescinding the offer! They might sell some hammers for an increased price, but they wanted us to let them come through the lands we had given them and burn down our temples in our own land because they bordered the land we had given them! This makes me burn for so many reasons that it's not even worth writing them all down! They should be obvious to any decent readers, and any other kind of readers probably wouldn't understand anyway. Who makes a deal and then breaks it out of sheerest avarice? Especially in this manner, and with this kind of history behind it?



Aww.. I had so much fun with this game, though I learned very little about actually playing Dominions http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Manuk
February 28th, 2007, 08:39 PM
It's been an incident so strange in one of my provinces (caelum). Seems that a large group of feminist activists, motivated but a known nation, atacked my province and attempted against the life our deity himself. Not only they dangered the life of that gracious creature but we had our female population reduced.
(the latter is even a more serious offense to many of caelian citizens)
Perhaps such malevolent creatures are asking us to pay them a short visit to civilize them.

FrankTrollman
February 28th, 2007, 09:09 PM
Deleted.

Ewierl
March 1st, 2007, 02:09 AM
Manuk said:
It's been an incident so strange in one of my provinces (caelum). Seems that a large group of feminist activists, motivated but a known nation, atacked my province and attempted against the life our deity himself. Not only they dangered the life of that gracious creature but we had our female population reduced.
(the latter is even a more serious offense to many of caelian citizens)
Perhaps such malevolent creatures are asking us to pay them a short visit to civilize them.



When I first read this, I thought, "Who's playing Sauromatia?" Then I remembered this is MA. Poor Caelians, losing their women to Imprint Souls, I imagine? Or am I still confused?

Teraswaerto
March 1st, 2007, 04:57 AM
They were Maenads, but not sent by the leadership of Pangaea. We are half a world away from Caelum, and have no way of sending such a force there.

We assumed it was a random event, much like the occasional attack by Ermorian cultists, though we are sure most would find Maenads more pleasant to look at, at least, before they are torn to shreds by them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I'll have to make a mental note on the effectiveness of Tangle Vines against high defense creatures though.

Morkilus
March 1st, 2007, 02:36 PM
FrankTrollman said:


Frank: I can understand you being upset, but you have absolutely no basis to call a PLAYER a liar.



Why bother making inane comments like that. Of course you can call another player a liar.



All right, let me fix that for you:

You (FrankTrollman) have absolutely no basis to call johnarryn (the player) a liar outside the context of diplomacy within a game. I'm not sure anyone would agree with you that it's okay to sling mud at a player because you were outwitted and lost a game. Take your beatings and accept it. We have several conventions for "nice play" and your flaming in this thread goes against them.

As for what I understand happened in your diplomacy: This stuff happens all the time. Messages get lost, people make mistakes, and yes, they make attacks of opportunity and use deception to gain the upper hand. If you want to play a game where this doesn't occur, I suggest an Annonymous/No Diplomacy game or playing against the AI.


Actions have consequences. Being a tool when it profits you not is not something that we as a communit should reward.



With this I agree completely. Are you gaining anything with this, or are you being vindictive?

Micah
March 1st, 2007, 06:39 PM
I'm in the market for 100 supply worth of items (2 wine bags or a cauldron) PM me if you can supply such and we can make a deal.

RicoRico
March 1st, 2007, 08:32 PM
11/16 in

RicoRico
March 2nd, 2007, 05:06 AM
14/16 turns in, waiting for:
Marignon and R'Lyeh

Manuk
March 3rd, 2007, 04:54 AM
Frank and Jonharryn argument was one thing
But this is something more. The NEXT turn after asking me for a 10 turn NAP Ewierl (man) attacked me. I won't comment anything else here on the forum. but needless to say this cancels that "NAP". I wish me good luck against him because this makes me feel like the good side.

RicoRico
March 3rd, 2007, 09:19 AM
Did you accept the NAP proposal then?
I know Ewierl asked me for you emailaddress because, he says, other diplomacy attempts were a bit slow?

11/16 turns in.

Manuk
March 3rd, 2007, 09:53 AM
I did, I will send you the details to you, but I expect no actions against him from anyone else (but me). This should be resolved in our current war.

Teraswaerto
March 3rd, 2007, 03:42 PM
The feeble nation known as Tien Chi is being crushed under the hooves of Pangaea. The eunuchs and their offensive ways will soon be a thing of the past, and the world shall be enriched as the way of the wild is spread.

Crack open your wine jars, imbibe the glorious liquid, and await the time when you may join the Maenads in their revels.

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RicoRico
March 5th, 2007, 08:37 AM
Well, congratulations Teraswaerto!
Let's see how the world responds to your expansionism ;-)

By the way, as I mentioned somewhere in the beginning of the thread, there would be a time where I would go on a holiday to do some snow boarding (hence the 'Casual' in the game title). That time will soon come. I will be gone for about a week. So:
- last hosting before my vacation will be next Friday (9 March) afternoon/early evening.
- first hosting after my vacation will be somewhere Sunday 18 March

Hope you won't mind (too) much! After this, it will be months before another vacation so we should be able to continue normally...

Ewierl
March 5th, 2007, 11:12 AM
Manuk said:
Frank and Jonharryn argument was one thing
But this is something more. The NEXT turn after asking me for a 10 turn NAP Ewierl (man) attacked me. I won't comment anything else here on the forum. but needless to say this cancels that "NAP". I wish me good luck against him because this makes me feel like the good side.



Actually, I'd be happier commenting here on the forum, because here both sides can say their piece.

The timeline went like this: Man asks for 10-turn NAP. Caelum responds with a caveat; "Sure, but only if you let me do X." Man replies, "No, I won't accept a treaty with X." Some time (half a day?) after that, I needed to send in my turn, so Man sent a followup message saying "Never mind, offer is canceled." While we were certainly negotiating that treaty, at no point did the two nations ever agree to the same thing.

Much diplomacy was going on that turn, the whole game was waiting for me to send in my turn, and (most importantly, in my eyes) PMs with Manuk were taking a full day to turn around. I may have been abrupt (for which I out-of-character do apologize), but I did so because those negotiations were slowing down the whole game. But regardless of the reason, the fact is that our good-faith negotiations simply didn't work out.

Ewierl
March 5th, 2007, 11:14 AM
RicoRico said:
Well, congratulations Teraswaerto!
Let's see how the world responds to your expansionism ;-)

By the way, as I mentioned somewhere in the beginning of the thread, there would be a time where I would go on a holiday to do some snow boarding (hence the 'Casual' in the game title). That time will soon come. I will be gone for about a week. So:
- last hosting before my vacation will be next Friday (9 March) afternoon/early evening.
- first hosting after my vacation will be somewhere Sunday 18 March

Hope you won't mind (too) much! After this, it will be months before another vacation so we should be able to continue normally...



Conveniently, I will also be gone next week!

My departure/arrival timing will be a bit fuzzy, so there's a small chance I might not be able to get a turn in between 9-18. In the unlikely-but-not-impossible event that that happen, hopefully a delay until the 19th won't make much more difference http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Manuk
March 5th, 2007, 11:19 AM
if you ask for a treaty and I accept, then the treaty is signed. Now it´s broken as a fact.

Ewierl
March 5th, 2007, 11:29 AM
Manuk said:
if you ask for a treaty and I accept, then the treaty is signed. Now it´s broken as a fact.



I clarified/edited my post above....

You did not accept the treaty I offered. You said, "Yes, but only if I can do X," where X was not part of my treaty offer and not something I was willing to agree to.

(Edit: I'm keeping X secret, because it contains information about Manuk's long-term plans. Suffice to say that it was not just some peripheral detail, but required an exception to the blanket "non-aggression" nature of my initial offer.)

RicoRico
March 5th, 2007, 01:56 PM
15/16 turns in, waiting for R'Lyeh

Sorlakind
March 5th, 2007, 04:08 PM
RicoRico said:
15/16 turns in, waiting for R'Lyeh



Uhh... I coould have sworn that I have sent my turn (19 was the last right?) a few days ago. <checking email box> yup, I sent it. Resending it.

RicoRico
March 5th, 2007, 05:37 PM
ah ok sorry.. could only find your turn 18!
anyway: turn hosted

GameExtremist
March 6th, 2007, 03:12 AM
*The few valiant defenders of Fort Vanheim fight desperately against the sheer size of the undead onslaught, to no avail the undead army spills relentlessly into the streets of Vanheim, to wreak unholy deeds upon the helpless populace, meanwhile the Vanheim army gathers to the south, preparing for an assualt to retake the fortress and liberate the people before it is too late.*




OOC - Well looking at this turn things are really screwed up in Vanheim, Ermor takes my capital, yet Marignon takes Ermor's capital. From what I can see Ermor has 1 dominion....thats a very thin red line thread to live on...

jeez...what to do?.....just trying to survive damnit!

RicoRico
March 6th, 2007, 04:13 AM
11/16 turns in

RicoRico
March 6th, 2007, 12:34 PM
13/16 turns in, waiting for
Arcoscephale, Tien'Chi, and Man

RicoRico
March 7th, 2007, 03:27 AM
15/16 turns in, waiting for Arcoscephale

Evilhomer
March 7th, 2007, 12:00 PM
sent ...

RicoRico
March 8th, 2007, 03:42 AM
turn hosted, currently 11/16 turns in.

would of course be great if we can play another before I go on vacation :-)
I won't be able to host today, well, perhaps somewhere in the middle of the night. Most probably, I can host Friday early in the afternoon (+1 GMT).

Evilhomer
March 8th, 2007, 09:50 PM
Going to be travelling during the weekend...So will not be able to do my turns then.

RicoRico
March 9th, 2007, 07:23 AM
15/16 turns in.. waiting for Tien'Chi

RicoRico
March 9th, 2007, 01:13 PM
well guys, I'm off to Austria!

If I still get Tien'Chi's turn within an hour I may be able to host the turn, but don't count on it.

See you around the 18th!

RicoRico
March 18th, 2007, 01:14 PM
Hi all, I'm back! Let's get this game going again! :-)

Turn hosted..
Have to think again what my plan was, but it's getting back to me already.. Don't forget that you all agreed to send me 200 gold this month ;-)

RicoRico
March 19th, 2007, 02:41 PM
15/16 turns in, waiting for Agartha

RicoRico
March 19th, 2007, 06:05 PM
23 hosted!

GameExtremist
March 19th, 2007, 06:12 PM
Damn I'm having a tooth and nail struggle with Ermor...

FrankTrollman
March 19th, 2007, 06:26 PM
Deleted.

RicoRico
March 20th, 2007, 07:40 AM
11/16 in

Teraswaerto
March 20th, 2007, 08:54 AM
The bloated grotesque that Tien Chi called god is dead, spear-pierced and hoof-trampled. It's blood mixes with the earth, which sighs in response.

Still a few battles remain against the final cowering remnants of the so called 'Celestial Empire', but even they know the war is over. Their timid nation of bureaucrats and eunuchs never stood a chance.

Close behind follows a joyous menagerie of dryads, satyrs and Maenads. They will teach the populace how to revel in worship of the true goddess and the earth that birthed her; how to live and how to die.