Eventide - Random Nations, Late Era (Calmon Wins!)

[Velusion]

<font color="purple">Eventide</font>

Eventide Status Page (http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/stats.php?game=Eventide)

Game Type: TCP/IP (static server)
Speed: 48 hours per host + quickhost
Era: Late
Players: 18 (all)
Nation Selection: Random with exceptions
Map: 16.6 provinces per player pre-generated map.
Victory Conditions: 224 out of 300 provinces controlled
Graphs: On
Magic Site Freq: 50
Hall of Fame: 15
Renaming: On
Everything Else: Defaults
Masterpass: There will be one
Length: If you aren’t eliminated this game might last 6+ Months. Be prepared!

Ermor – Velusion
Ulm – Meglobob
Utgard – FAJ
Mictlan – Lch
Pangaea – Shovah32
R'lyeh – Reay
Jomon – Manuk
C'tis – PashaDawg
Agartha – Ramshead
Caelum – Uninspiredname
Abysia – CyborgMoses
Patala – Micah
T'ien Ch'i – Baalz
Atlantis – Terasaerto
Man – Fal
Marignon – Calmon
Midgard – Folket
Arcoscephale – Hadrian II

Due to the fact that the virtual server which runs these games has timekeeping issues I will be manually forcing this game to host every 48 hours. Eventually the game will move to another machine. Quickhost will be enabled. It is hoped that players will normally be able to play every 24 hours, with the occasional missed day.

Players who wish to surrender (resign) should simply turn their nation to AI or have a substitute take over. Failing to do you turn twice a in a row without letting anyone know will get you put on AI.

[Meglobob]

I would like to play.

The 2 nations I do not want to play are LA Caelum and LA Agartha, bcause I have already played those in MP.

Cheers and thanks for hosting a LA game.

[FAJ]

Im in, no Ulm and no Caelum please.

[Shovah32]

Im in. No marignon or jomon please.

[Reay]

Total newbie here..

I'm in, no Midgard please anything else is ok.

[Manuk]

im in
no vanheim, no man

[PashaDawg]

I'd like to play.

No Ulm or Ermor for me.

Thanks.

Pasha

[RamsHead]

Sign me up.

No Jomon and no Caelum.

[UninspiredName]

I would like to play as anyone but R'lyeh or... Actually, anyone else is fine.

[CyborgMoses]

I would like to get in on this, provided that you're okay with my being new at multiplayer. I'd prefer not to play Jomon or Patala.

[Micah]

I'll give it a go, anyone is fine

[Jazzepi]

I'd like to play, I'm very new, and any nation is fine. I haven't played a PBEM before! I'm really interested in getting in on some multiplayer.

Jazzepi

[Velusion]

Jazzepi said:
I'd like to play, I'm very new, and any nation is fine. I haven't played a PBEM before! I'm really interested in getting in on some multiplayer.

Jazzepi



Glad to have you. FYI though this is a TCP/IP game where you have to connect at the minimum of every 48 hours to do your turns (the server will always be on) - not technically PBEM.

Of course the speed of the game is comparable to most PBEM games out there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Jazzepi]

I appreciate the heads up. I'm extremely computer literate, I'm getting a computer science degree in Information Systems and I build them all the time. Keeping up shouldn't be an issue.

What does quickplay mean exactly? I'd hazard to guess that it means that if everyone has finished their turn ahead of time, it begins the next turn right away.

Jazzepi

[Velusion]

Jazzepi said:
What does quickplay mean exactly? I'd hazard to guess that it means that if everyone has finished their turn ahead of time, it begins the next turn right away.




Yep - you got it!

[Teraswaerto]

I'd like to play. No Mictlan, no R'lyeh.

[Meglobob]

Has the trash talk started already?

Its M E G L O B O B not Megloblob!

[Teraswaerto]

What was that, Megablob? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Fal]

Count me in please. Any nation's fine.

Would love to see the graph disabled and renaming allowed.

[calmon]

Please take me in. I'll play anything you pick.

[Folket]

I prefer not to play C'tis or R'lyeh.

[Meglobob]

Teraswaerto said:
What was that, Megablob? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



Who started this? Oh yea that short sighted honeybadger! Looks like I am stuck with .....blob on the dom3 forums. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I will just after slaughter you all...then you might get my nickname right. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Hadrian_II]

I'd like to join. I suppose i like every nation http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Sandman]

I'll play. I don't want Mictlan or Marignon.

[Kyosti]

Count me in. Any nation is fine.

[Baalz]

I'll play, any nation.

[calmon]

Player #4 – Ich




Who is that?

In german 'Ich' means 'I' but you're player #1 so that can't be.

[Baalz]

Its M E G L O B O B not Megloblob!



He he he, as you seem to be in all my MP games, you have now been permanently dubbed in my mind.

[Strages Sanctus]

I would like to join, anything is fine.

[Velusion]

Fal said:
Count me in please. Any nation's fine.

Would love to see the graph disabled and renaming allowed.



Renaming will be allowed (forgot about that) Graphs will stay on (personal preference to identify the leader).

[Velusion]

calmon said:


Player #4 – Ich




Who is that?

In german 'Ich' means 'I' but you're player #1 so that can't be.



He is from another gaming forum.

[Velusion]

We are full... sorry to all those after Hadrian II. (there are only 18 nations available in the Late Age).

I'll start assigning nations later today.

[Velusion]

Nations are posted. Get those gods ready and them them (along with the password!) to velusion(@at@)sbcglobal(dot)net. I'll respond back with the IP/port of the server and eventually (unless you specify otherwise) send out a complete email list to everyone and add everyone to get hosting notifications.

First assignments went off without any conflicts!

I must admit I kind of took a double-take when I got Ermor as I already play them in 2 of the other 3 MP games I'm in (though not the late "Ashen Empire" version). On the one hand I know I'm going to get stomped (they don't have the best rep in MP it seems)... on the other hand at least I'm familiar by now with undead nations http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif.

Commence whining and wailing concerning your nation assignment now... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[UninspiredName]

Caelum... I suppose raiding and battle-magic will be today's forecast. I definitely won't be able to take the resource-heavy troops, and will need to rely on random magic to get the more powerful thunder spells... A site-searching Pretender will come in handy for getting it started. I've never had any success with Caelum's archers, not even when wind-guided, so I suppose military might comes second.

[Teraswaerto]

Coming up next, attack of the frog Eskimos!

[Meglobob]

Ulm eh?...ultimate warrior time...he could have been a contender...don't push me...I'll be back.

[calmon]

Marignon, thats interesting.

Can anyone explain me the use of Missionaries? They are Lv1 Priests, costs more than the indy priests (60) and have no stealth. For that i got ultimate sailing. Do they have any hidden abilities?

[Hadrian_II]

Arcoscephale will rule this world http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Now will we use our Elephants, our broad spectrum of magic or will we just rule using the superior Infantry of arco?

[CyborgMoses]

Oh no. I shall have to burn everyone in the infernal pits of Abysia. Woe is me.

[Manuk]

I knew it, Jomon. Pretender sent.

[Velusion]

calmon said:
Marignon, thats interesting.

Can anyone explain me the use of Missionaries? They are Lv1 Priests, costs more than the indy priests (60) and have no stealth. For that i got ultimate sailing. Do they have any hidden abilities?



Sailing is very handy for mobility if you are on the coast. Not sure what "ultimate" sailing is. Since two nations have sailing in this era I tried to ensure the map would hopefully allow sailing to be actually useful.

[calmon]

Sailing is good in some situations, but mainly for commanders/mages and marignon have some of it.

At least if i find some islands on your map i could send a missionar to build up a temple to convince the nonbelievers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

[PashaDawg]

C'Tis Pretender emailed.

Pasha

[Shovah32]

Pangaean Pretender Sent

[Teraswaerto]

Atlantis sent.

[Velusion]

There is no big rush, but as an update we are waiting on:

Pangaea – Shovah32: I still haven't seen your pretender... perhaps its just a mail delay though. You might want to send it again to be sure.

R'lyeh – Reay: He messaged me and said he should have it in by tomorrow.

Midgard – Folket: Haven't heard from Folket yet.

FYI... if you haven't done so yet go ahead and make sure you can connect to the server. I'll start once everyone is "human controlled".

[Folket]

I will play around with Midgård a little and mail my pretender in a couple of hours.

[Folket]

What is the email I should send it to?

[Velusion]

velusion(@at@)sbcglobal(dot)net

[calmon]

Because some slots on the server are still empty and people could missed it:

Velusion mailed you the server ip/port. You have to connect and upload your pretender.

As far i understand velusion don't use the emailed pretenders for that.

[Velusion]

calmon said:
Because some slots on the server are still empty and people could missed it:

Velusion mailed you the server ip/port. You have to connect and upload your pretender.

As far i understand velusion don't use the emailed pretenders for that.



More likely I just put them in the wrong spot!

[Velusion]

Ok I have almost everything... I just need the following:

R'lyeh – Reay to connect to the server (I just sent you the address)
Midgard – Folket to connect and upload your pretender (I never got an email so I'm sending you the server address in a PM)

I must have been putting the god files in the wrong spot... but everything seems to be uploaded and almost ready!

[FAJ]

Did you use the god files sent to you in the e-mails? the one I uploaded is different than the one I originally sent; just want to make sure I am using the right one.

[Velusion]

FAJ said:
Did you use the god files sent to you in the e-mails? the one I uploaded is different than the one I originally sent; just want to make sure I am using the right one.



Apparently I didn't correctly... its fine to upload a new one if you haven't changed your password.

[Manuk]

we all should upload. When I did it told me that someone else was filling my slot.

[Velusion]

Manuk said:
we all should upload. When I did it told me that someone else was filling my slot.



Interesting. I simply put the pretender files in the Eventide savegame folder. Perhaps it was the god you sent me that was filling the slot?

[Reay]

I will connect to the server tonight (Australia time). Hopefully we can get underway.

[Reay]

Done.. only Midgard (Folket) left to upload.

[Folket]

Ready to go now.

[Reay]

BTW there is a new patch 3.06 so I guess we should all patch before we start?

[Velusion]

We have started!

Server has been updated to 3.06 before start. Make sure and update your client before connecting.

There will be a stats page available soon.

[Velusion]

Stats [http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/stats.php?game=Eventide]Here[/url]!

Note: I'm not sure why it's marking some people has having missed turns - as we haven't played any turns yet I'm not really concerned. I pretty sure it will be correct after the first turn is hosted.

[Meglobob]

That stats page is jazzy.

My (Ulm's) starting position is sooo funny.

[Teraswaerto]

Very jazzy, except that my name is spelled wrong. Must be karma. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

*edit*

I can't connect, hangs on "Waiting for game info"

[Fal]

Beautiful, Job well done Velusion!

You did an excellent job hosting our last game (shame I couldn't finish it), but this one seems to be massively improved, let's hope nothing goes wrong this time.

Kinda feel guilty not paying you for this...

[Velusion]

I can't connect, hangs on "Waiting for game info"



Try it now... it looked hung

[Velusion]

Meglobob said:
That stats page is jazzy.



Thank LCH, he created it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[PashaDawg]

Very nice stats page!

Why does it say that some players "missed" at turn?

Pasha

[Velusion]

PashaDawg said:
Very nice stats page!

Why does it say that some players "missed" at turn?

Pasha



Don't know really... but they are able to do thier turns it seems... I bet it will be correct after the first host.

[Velusion]

The game again appears hung on the server. Not sure why - but I'm going to leave it alone for now. If you run into connectively problems please let me know. Unfortunatly I can't really test it from work.

[CyborgMoses]

I'm trying to connect to play my turn, but I'm stuck at "Receiving turn file". It's just sitting there.

[RamsHead]

Twice I have been in the process of downloading the map, and both times when I am just over half way through, I get a nagot gick fel. It says something about a bad sever packet. I will try later.

[Meglobob]

The map takes a long time to download, 10 minutes or so for me.

Also if you get a bad packet, just keep trying. Had this in another MP, can take 3-4 goes before you get it. Fortunatly you only after download the map successfully once.

[Velusion]

Ok... made some changes to the switches (how they are ordered) and I was able to connect, end my turn, and then reconnect (I wasn't able to do that before). The application is also not grabbing tons of memory and holding it (100MB+) as it was earlier.

I'm not sure it's fixed for good, but go ahead and connect.

BTW I made a back of the game with the pretenders all loaded before I upgraded to 3.06, so worse comes to worse we can go back to that.

[Velusion]

Yea.. it might just take along time to download the map making it harder for others to connect. I'm not going to mess with it again until later tonight.

[CyborgMoses]

All right, I managed to get through and play my turn. Thanks for the quick fix.

[Teraswaerto]

Worked for me too now.

[RamsHead]

Meglobob said:
The map takes a long time to download, 10 minutes or so for me.


You think ten minutes makes it long! Try using dailup, then you can complain. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Anyways, as that saying goes: Children taste good when grilled. No, that's not it. Third times a charm. Yeah, that sounds good.

[calmon]

From the host: "It is hoped that players will normally be able to play every 24 hours, with the occasional missed day."

At least the first 10 turns should be go a little faster, so Reay and Shovah32 please do your turn.

[Reay]

I did my turn around the same time you created your message.

Looks like only Shovah to go.

[Shovah32]

And i did mine when only around half players were done, server just didnt seem to notice http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Meglobob]

Cannot connect to server.

[Meglobob]

All ok now, done my 2nd turn.

[Jazzepi]

I really wanted to play in this game, but I'm having fatal issues with the 3.6 patch. Until that's resolved, I don't want to hold up everyone else's fun. Feel free to delegate my empire to computer or anyone else who wants to play.

Sorry guys http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Jazzepi

[Velusion]

Jazzepi said:
I really wanted to play in this game, but I'm having fatal issues with the 3.6 patch. Until that's resolved, I don't want to hold up everyone else's fun. Feel free to delegate my empire to computer or anyone else who wants to play.

Sorry guys http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Jazzepi



I've been in communication with Jazzepi. This sucks, but I'm going to go ahead and get a replacement for him so we can keep things going.

Looks like there are more games forming every day so hopefully he can get in one soon once his problem is fixed!

[Jazzepi]

I think... I might have fixed it. I can get into the server now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I'm gonna play a round and cross my fingers.

Jazzepi

[Velusion]

Cool!

[CyborgMoses]

Oh, good. Unfortunately, it seems that Reay was hit by a bus or something.

[Velusion]

Reay is in Australia - so expect a time zone difference. As long as he gets in one a day lets all be thankful http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Reay]

Yep just finished my turn now. I get home around 6pm Perth time which is about 14-17 hours ahead of US time. So I guess most of you would be sleeping, 1am to 4am. It would be morning in Europe aswell.

[calmon]

Maybe you're able to do your next turn as well. Its quickhost, just in case you don't know its hosted as soon the last player did his turn. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Velusion]

Jazzepi is still having issues, so I'll be getting a replacement http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif.

[Baalz]

Heh, since I didn't get in the first time I signed up, I guess I'll sub for T'ien Ch'i. Geeze, when I said I'd play any nation, I figured I'd at least get to design a pretender. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[CyborgMoses]

That makes sense. Screw you, bus! Your victim has escaped!

[Meglobob]

Baalz said:
Heh, since I didn't get in the first time I signed up, I guess I'll sub for T'ien Ch'i. Geeze, when I said I'd play any nation, I figured I'd at least get to design a pretender. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



Oh no! Not Baalz! I thought I'd escaped that pleasure... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

Hope you are on the other side of the world. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Velusion]

Ack! I created another thread and already got a response... but Baalz was faster... so he gets it. Sending you the port/ip and passowrd Baalz!

[Baalz]

Meglobob said:

Oh no! Not Baalz! I thought I'd escaped that pleasure... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

Hope you are on the other side of the world. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



Heh, well this is my first LA game, and my first time taking T'ien Ch'i since Dom 2, so you might be quite happy if we're next door as you'll probably have a chance to paddle me pretty good as I try and stand up on shakey Bambi legs.

[Reay]

calmon said:
Maybe you're able to do your next turn as well. Its quickhost, just in case you don't know its hosted as soon the last player did his turn. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif



Yeah I'll get two turns in if I can. On weekends I can play earlier. Only Shovah/Pangaea to go.

[PashaDawg]

Is the timer working? It seems that it has been on 28 minutes or so for the past 20 minutes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Meglobob]

PashaDawg said:
Is the timer working? It seems that it has been on 28 minutes or so for the past 20 minutes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Showing - 1hr+ now, so I guess not.

Perhaps we are all waiting for Pangaea?

[Velusion]

Meglobob said:

PashaDawg said:
Is the timer working? It seems that it has been on 28 minutes or so for the past 20 minutes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Showing - 1hr+ now, so I guess not.

Perhaps we are all waiting for Pangaea?



From the front page:


Velusion said:
Due to the fact that the virtual server which runs these games has timekeeping issues I will be manually forcing this game to host every 48 hours. Eventually the game will move to another machine.




Just woke up, so the turn was just hosted. If Pangaea doesn't respond in the next 24-36 hours I'll start looking for a replacement. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[PashaDawg]

Thanks, Velusion. I forgot about that.

[Shovah32]

Sorry guys, went away for the weekend and didnt have time to tell you all. Hopefully the one early stale hasnt hut me too much.

[Velusion]

The Eventide status page has been moved to here (http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/stats.php?game=Eventide)!

[Manuk]

is quick host enabled then?

[Velusion]

Manuk said:
is quick host enabled then?



Yes. The only time I manually force the game is if someone hasn't done their turns in 48 hours.

[calmon]

Something is wrong with the status page.

I just opened the turn and leave the game with "exit without save". On the stats page my status was "Turn complete" in the game i had the right status (no uploaded 2h file).

I did my turn now but its the same to mictlan. He didn't do his turn but the stats page says he does.

[Velusion]

Go by what the game says... not the status page for now.

I'll get with LCH (who is Mictlan!) and see whats up.

[Velusion]

BTW it appears I've fixed the timekeeping issue on the server - so I get to put all of the games I'm running back on auto-48 hour hosting (with quickhosting enabled of course! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I'll do that after the next host.

[Manuk]

server down?

[Velusion]

It was for a moment. Gave it some more RAM.

[Manuk]

turn played

[Velusion]

Some Updates:

R'lyeh accidentally submitted his turn before he was finished and he won't be able to access the game again for a few more hours. I've turned off quickhost until he fixes his error. The turn will host in about 5-6 hours probably.

I'm also going to use this opportunity to employ a backup script, so we can go back to turn "X" if something gets hosed up.

The main host machine got a RAM update (not that dom3 really cares). But hey... I'm pretty damn happy!

Finally - due to the issues with the Status page I'm going to take it down for a little while. We'll be running some tests and hopefully it will come back soon! Email notification is, of course, still in effect.

[Velusion]

I would like someone who hasn't done thier turn yet to do a little test for me if possible.

1) Connect to the server and download your turn
2) Issue a few orders
3) Click "Options" =&gt; "Save Game and Quit"
4) Close Dom3 and then open it back up
5) Connect to the server again and see if it shows you have submitted your turn.

It has always been my assumption that the server only marks your turn as submitted is if you click "End Turn". This is currently the problem R'lyeh has.

[RamsHead]

It appears that it counts your turn even if you save game and quit. My suggestion would be to connect to the server to download the turn, then exit out of the server instead of issuing any turn orders, do your turn out of the server, then reconnect to the server to upload your now completed turn. That way you can finish the turn at your leisure instead of leaving it half done. You have to remember to hit save game and quit instead of end turn though when you are doing your turn out of the server.

[Velusion]

RamsHead said:
It appears that it counts your turn even if you save game and quit.



Next question: I was under the impression it wasn't suppost to work this way. Think this is a bug or a problem with the Server? Any expereinced players want to confirm how it is "suppost" to work?

[Micah]

The dialog on "save and quit" when you're connected to a server indicates that it is certainly not working as intended. I'm guessing it's a game bug, but if anyone is playing a game on another server give us a quick check if you would.

[Velusion]

Micah said:
I'm guessing it's a game bug, but if anyone is playing a game on another server give us a quick check if you would.



That would be very helpful, if someone could replicate this test on another server.

[Velusion]

Micah said:
The dialog on "save and quit" when you're connected to a server indicates that it is certainly not working as intended. I'm guessing it's a game bug, but if anyone is playing a game on another server give us a quick check if you would.



After some testing (thanks LCH) it has been determined that when you "save and quit" the game DOES mark your turn as completed. If you "Quit without saving" it will not. So keep that in mind FYI. If this is a bug or not is debatable, but it seems to be reproducible on other servers.

Soooooo.... because of this quickhost will be disabled again today for R'lyeh to get home and finish their move.

Thanks for your patience people.

[Reay]

Yeah the game says that it will not upload the 2h if you just save and quit. It then goes back to the screen with all the flags and it says you have completed your turn.

I think they should at least change the "will not upload" message you get if this is the intended behavior.

Oh well as Ramshead suggested I will just disconnect from the server until I have actually finished my turn and then just reconnect to upload.

Thanks guys.

[PashaDawg]

I will be out of town Thursday - Monday. I believe that Jurri will be filling in for me. Anyone looking for diplomacy with C'Tis should contact him or wait until I return. Thanks.

Pasha

[Manuk]

there must be something wrong. everyone played and didnt autohost

[Velusion]

Velusion said:

Micah said:
The dialog on "save and quit" when you're connected to a server indicates that it is certainly not working as intended. I'm guessing it's a game bug, but if anyone is playing a game on another server give us a quick check if you would.



After some testing (thanks LCH) it has been determined that when you "save and quit" the game DOES mark your turn as completed. If you "Quit without saving" it will not. So keep that in mind FYI. If this is a bug or not is debatable, but it seems to be reproducible on other servers.

Soooooo.... because of this quickhost will be disabled again today for R'lyeh to get home and finish their move.

Thanks for your patience people.



See above http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Jurri]

Pardon for being the slowest by far! You guys are fast, despite having a lenient timer http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Velusion]

Eventide Status Page (http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/stats.php?game=Eventide)

Scripts courtesy of LCH! This is new and improved. If anyone notices any problems with it - please let me know.

[Teraswaerto]

Would Caelum like to explain what that was all about?

4 Harab Elders and 70 other birdmen suddenly plummeted from the sky, impaled themselves on the ice lances of our province defense, and the then fly off into all directions to die in hostile lands.

Was this some bizarre sacrifice to appease mighty Chungaat?

[PashaDawg]

I am back. Thanks to Jurri for filling in for me while I was away.

Pasha

[calmon]

Could someone add the mapfiles of the game as a attachment here. I'm on a laptop in moment and the firewall doesn't allow me to connect to the game and download the map.

I copied the turnfile but forgot the map.

[Reay]

Calmon, here are the Eventide.map and Eventide.rgp files zipped up.

[calmon]

Thanks Reay, it works fine! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[CyborgMoses]

They probably just wanted the lances back.

[UninspiredName]

Um... It was a pitiful attempt at an attack? This is my first time as Caelum, and I'm still getting used to the fact that Raptors don't know how to fight.

[Teraswaerto]

A gambit of mad bravery, or perhaps just madness. We don't mind, our coast always has room for more bones. So, we do not consider Caelum our enemy at this point, if you are content to consider this a lesson learned, and not a reason for future hostilities.

[UninspiredName]

I can't seem to connect for some reason. Did the server change?

I'm trying at 67.66.187.69, port 5555, but no luck.

[calmon]

ip adress is correct. Connection works fine to me at the moment.

[Velusion]

Works fine for me from work. Also I logged onto the server and it appears to be up and someone is connected...

[Baalz]

Hmmmm, for anyone wondering why I staled it looks like I was the victim of a bug. I took my turn, but apparently it didn’t register and showed me as still connected to the game (I had no dominions instance running at all). Oh well, I guess taking over after the first two staled turns wasn’t handicap enough, I’ll go ahead and fight ya all with one mage tied behind my back! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[lch]

Baalz said:
Hmmmm, for anyone wondering why I staled it looks like I was the victim of a bug. I took my turn, but apparently it didn’t register and showed me as still connected to the game (I had no dominions instance running at all).


Yeah, I was wondering WTF you where doing, since you seemed to be connected for at least the last five hours of the game before it autohosted. I thought you wanted to desperately do your turn before the host timer reaches zero, but then fell asleep or something, but I didn't knew what was keeping you that long in such an early game, too... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[Velusion]

From the server it showed a little link symbol but it didn't show any active connections. I typically see that when someone disconnected in the middle of doing their turn.

[Baalz]

Hmmm, maybe I somehow neglected to "end turn" before closing it. Frustrating thing is I got a reminder notice, and hopped on to check mere minutes after the game had hosted (hadn't even got the email notification yet). Oh well, anyway, I'm still here and playing! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Velusion]

You might have hit end turn and for some reason were already disconnected from the server at that point.

[Folket]

I'm looking for earth boots. Willing to trade 15 earth gems for them, or best offer.

[lch]

It seems like T'ien Ch'i is having the "still connected" bug here again.

[Velusion]

lch said:
It seems like T'ien Ch'i is having the "still connected" bug here again.



Yep, but in this case he actually submitted his turn (or saved + exit), so it will still process. The "connected" indicator symbol will go away next time he connects and properly leaves the game.

[Manuk]

so the usual ending of the turn is with the "e" key, not save and exit.

[lch]

The "End Turn" button, yes.

[Baalz]

Hmmm, not sure what's happening here as I don't have this problem in any of my other MP games. I'm doublechecking every turn (reconnect to make sure it shows I already took my turn), just to be safe so hopefully this won't be a problem even if it shows me as still connected.

[lch]

The problem is that it won't autohost while you're still connected, I think. Can you try to do your turn again and use the "End turn" button, then Disconnect when you have the server screen again?

[Baalz]

Sure, but I won't be home for another 6 hours.

[Velusion]

lch said:
The problem is that it won't autohost while you're still connected, I think. Can you try to do your turn again and use the "End turn" button, then Disconnect when you have the server screen again?



I'm pretty sure it will autohost even with someone connected.

[lch]

Whooo, it's only turn 18 and one player is already... terminated. And I don't think he'll be back. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[Meglobob]

lch said:
Whooo, it's only turn 18 and one player is already... terminated. And I don't think he'll be back. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif



I'll be back, just not in this universe. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Rushed and crushed by Patala with a army of elephants btw. I was on the island.

The irony of calling my god Terminater and then being the 1st to be terminated is very funny. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Velusion]

So Patala will control all of the island eh?

I can't imagine having 100+ provinces and still playing the Ashen Empire. Turns already take me 3x longer than any other game... I feel like a garbage man - I manage and collect trash (units) and transport it somewhere quickly to get incinerated.

[lch]

Velusion said:
So Patala will control all of the island eh?


No, not all of it, for there is a small little village left which still holds out against the Patalian invaders ... err, no, what I meant is: Marignon is supposedly looking for some sunny vacation island for their nation, too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

[Micah]

Well, given the extreme oppression that the Terminator was inflicting on his populace when I liberated them from his cruel rulership I think I have done the island people a great favor.

We hope Marignon's tour group enjoyed their stay, but as we just told them, mating season is starting, and sometimes the apes get a little...violent. They will hopefully be leaving the island peacefully, as we would hate for any accidents to occur. I doubt a war would be profitable for them, given their presence and thus vulnerability on the mainland, whereas my monkies would welcome a diversion from their poop-flinging, since they don't have much else to do at the moment.

[Micah]

Marignon seems to be investing a good deal of effort and money into maintaining his island resort, in case anyone on the mainland happens to want to remind him where his priorities should be.

[CyborgMoses]

I think "keeping any one player from completely controlling a landmass" is a pretty good priority, personally. Calmon! Calmon! he's our man, if he can't do it, well then that's one less nation I'll have to fight my way past in the end game, I suppose. Wait, that's not terribly supportive, is it?

[calmon]

Your apes are really grazy.

First our friendly expedition corp was welcomed with an accepted peace. You use the time to defeat ulm. After conquering the last province, the first thing you did is to declare war and attack in the same turn. Your elephant mob got a bloody nose by attacking my corp.

In moment you control ~75% of the island, but you ask for support on the main land? We've only a fraction of your troops on the island.

I begin to think that your abilities are so useless that you're not able to kick some random troops back in the sea. I don't know how you manage to defeat ulm, all i can think is you also surprise-attacked them. However that won't work anymore, all be warned about the 'honor' of the apes.

[Micah]

So you'd rather have Calmon have both a solid foothold on the mainland AND complete control of the island? That certainly seems to be the greater of two evils.

Even with the damage I've done so far he's still in or tied for first in 4 graphs, with a 2nd and 3rd place to round it out, so again, I think everyone else is a lot better off with me having the island instead of Calmon.

[Micah]

Calmon: I'm merely being prudent...I assume you wouldn't be massing more troops to pursue a lost cause, so I'm guessing you have some sort of nastiness planned. I gave you warning so you could take your troops and leave, instead you decided to sink 700 or so gold into PD to kill off a few of my elephants. Again, if you're so confident that you'll lose you wouldn't have done anything of the sort.

I also never said I wanted peace per se, I just said I didn't want any trouble with you, which is perfectly true. I could have really launced a surprise attack on you and taken out your expedition team and a province, but I gave you warning beforehand so you could withdraw peacefully...you did not.

And you have more than a fraction of my income, and excellent PD to sink it into. Letting you dominate the graphs and kill me down the road at your leisure because I have nowhere to expand to wasn't my idea of a sound strategy.

As to Ulm, well, trample is a gross mismath for them early game, and I simply abused that fact. It wasn't particularly skillful, but it was effective, and given their central location on the island it was again a case of kill or be killed. Not attacking straight away before he got paralyze would have left me with inferior recruitable troops, less provinces due to our forts' spheres of influence, and much, much, much worse PD.

[Baalz]

Hrumph. The horselords view your squabling with amusement. After the chaos caused by the brief tenure of the mad king (staling the first few turns) our empire must have appeared weak for the palid Agartha slugs attempted a sneak attack, only to find that mere infantry has no chance against the might of the horselords. As the dust kicked up by our mighty riders decended on thier capitol, the overgrown goblin lovers thought they also spied a weakend neighbor and tried to snatch the jewel of the Agartha nation away from us only to find as the slugs before them that even overgrown infantry cannot stand against the pounding hooves of our ancestrial riders. The giant king snivelingly appologized for the attempt, backing away with his tail between his legs after recieving grevious giant casualties. Asking for forgiveness, while with his next breath suggesting that lack of swift retribution would allow him to build a more serious threat for the future. Should you desire a peace after trying to snatch our prize Manuk, you must offer more than words in ransom. Your offer to mount a stiffer attack in the future is not compelling enough to stall my wrath.

Even the undead attempt an appologetic manuever into our territory! Alas Velusion, your appology and promise to remove all troops next turn is rejected as all your troops are slain. Let the lessons of these three nations serve as a warning to all the other feuding fiefdoms, the borders of T'ien Ch'i are agressively defended, and the horselords are not to be trifled with.

[lch]

I believe it is more likely the intervention of Abysia, who is giving the Agarthans a good beating at the moment, than the (undisputable http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif) might of your horselords that the giants are rushing away from your territory, Baalz...

[UninspiredName]

Okay, I'll bite. Why is it that my Harab Elders refuse to cast Summon Storm Power?

[RamsHead]

My guess would be that a storm is not going on when you try and cast it.

[CyborgMoses]

I've never figured out how Summon Storm Power is supposed to be useful, since there doesn't seem to be a way to predict whether a given battle will have a storm or not.

[Velusion]

Two thoughts:

You can make it rain with a low-level water spell... would that be good enough?

Isn't there a high level ritual spell that will make it storm everywhere?

[FAJ]

staff of storms garuntees a storm too.

[Teraswaerto]

Rain does not let you cast Storm Power.

Perpetual Storm is a global echantment that makes all battles to be fought under a storm (and some other stuff too), evocation 6.

There's also the battle enchantment "Storm", evocation 5.

[Folket]

There will not be a storm in a battle unless someone makes a storm.

[CyborgMoses]

Huh, I had thought that the random weather that showed up sometimes was sufficient. Okay, thanks for all the help, everyone.

[lch]

Rain or Snow are random weather conditions, but Storm isn't, it seems. I didn't know this myself before, too.

[UninspiredName]

Oh... I guess I should've paid attention to the spell discription a bit more. And all the good combat magic starts at level three, too...

[Velusion]

For those of you that will wonder why the server timer might increase slightly on my games.

Forum thread detailing the issue here: here (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=498715&amp;page=0&amp;view=collap sed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=1).

This will NOT stop my games from progressing. The game will continue with a 48 hour hosting (though the server will read 54 hours). I'm not sure if this affected anyone else in the past (I don't think it affected anyone recently)... if so - my apologies! Eventually the IP will change and these games will move to a different box.

[Teraswaerto]

The fall of old Atlantis has been avenged. The Void Gate has been shut, and the Starspawns of R'lyeh eradicated. Rejoice! The dreams of the dreadful void will plague us no more! Praise Chungaat!

Yet, even in defeat the beasts of R'lyeh spread their evil. With terrible powers they have driven mad the leader of Man, with whom we had a treaty of non-aggression. He claims we declared war. It is not true, there was no war, until his recent words made it necessary.

They would do to us what they have done to Caelum, but we will not tolerate it! The leader of Man has been corrupted by the beasts of the Void, and must be taken down, or he will spread the madness.

We will abide by the rules of the agreement we had, and they have still 2 months before the armies of Atlantis rise from the waters. Any nation that joins in this war against the final evil outpost of evil R'lyeh, Man, will be considered a friend of Atlantis.

[Fal]

Teraswaerto said:
The fall of old Atlantis has been avenged. The Void Gate has been shut, and the Starspawns of R'lyeh eradicated. Rejoice! The dreams of the dreadful void will plague us no more! Praise Chungaat!

Yet, even in defeat the beasts of R'lyeh spread their evil. With terrible powers they have driven mad the leader of Man, with whom we had a treaty of non-aggression. He claims we declared war. It is not true, there was no war, until his recent words made it necessary.

They would do to us what they have done to Caelum, but we will not tolerate it! The leader of Man has been corrupted by the beasts of the Void, and must be taken down, or he will spread the madness.

We will abide by the rules of the agreement we had, and they have still 2 months before the armies of Atlantis rise from the waters. Any nation that joins in this war against the final evil outpost of evil R'lyeh, Man, will be considered a friend of Atlantis.




Perhaps Atlantis did not declare war on us, nonetheless they have been intentionally spreading unholy dominion in our land, spying on our capital, and immediately cancelled NAP after we peacefully handover the ownership of a province. With R'lyeh cruelly destroyed, Atlantis is capturing independent sea nations and spreading evil dominion with great speed, the monopolization of the ocean must be stopped before it's too late.I call for your support and all allies will be richly rewarded.

The nation of Man will also abide our agreement with Atlantis. Our skilled archers and defeners shall send the icy sea critters back to the depth of the sea.

Delenda est Atlantis !!

[Micah]

I'm gonna be very sad if Marignon's province losses are due to a couple of events in a row, who's taking a chunk out of them? We should talk.

Also I'm retarded and somehow managed not to take a heat scale. Severe mental deficiency is the only explanation for that, really.

Edit: Hey Abysia, I'll totally give you some money if you cast second sun, what do you say? =)

[CyborgMoses]

What about gremlins? I find that gremlins make a great excuse.

[CyborgMoses]

Haha, why not? Just toss me a dozen or two sages and I'll get right on that.

[Micah]

So, umm, does anyone have any good strategies for dealing with 400 archers with flaming arrows and a pissed off, geared up cyclops?

Anything involving "good armor" "shields" "air/fire magic" "Province defense" or "archers that could hit the broad side of a barn" will not be workable.

[lch]

Micah said:
So, umm, does anyone have any good strategies for dealing with 400 archers with flaming arrows and a pissed off, geared up cyclops?


Ask Ermor to send some of his gazillion undeads who just took C'tis down south. Oh, and flying elephants, obviously...

[CyborgMoses]

With that many targets, you shouldn't need the kind of pinpoint accuracy necessary to hit a barn.

[Folket]

Arrow fend works very well against archers.

[Micah]

For those with air mages it does, yes =)

[Velusion]

Micah said:
So, umm, does anyone have any good strategies for dealing with 400 archers with flaming arrows and a pissed off, geared up cyclops?

Anything involving "good armor" "shields" "air/fire magic" "Province defense" or "archers that could hit the broad side of a barn" will not be workable.



What goes around comes around! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

(P.S. Can the solution revolve around fielding 1K+ undead per battle?)

[CyborgMoses]

Weren't we doing 24-hour turns, with the host set to 48 hours in case someone needed a little leeway because of circumstances? It just seems a little weird that three people all had to go rescue the president's daughter from ninjas simultaneously.

[calmon]

Speed is 48 hour + quickhost. I try to do a turn every 24 hours but on weekends its sometimes more difficult especially together with girlfriends birthday http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[CyborgMoses]

Now THAT is a good reason to need a little longer. I hope that she had a good time.

[lch]

Since there are still alot of players in the game, it's natural that at least one of the players needs 32-48 hours for his turns. But I think the pacing is still good.

[Velusion]

When I started this game I assumed most hosts would be around 36-48 hours with the occasional quicker one (I'm a pessimist - ask for the best expect the worst). My main concern was to avoid stales.

I've been pretty happy with the lack of stales and the relatively consistent 36 hour host times. We are doing better than I thought we would http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. This turn has been the exception, but seeing as how I'm in 3 other games it doesn't bother me. Right now it's taking me about an hour to do a single turn here (I take my time managing my trash I suppose) so sometimes I just have to put it off until the next day.

Edit: Wait a second... it hasn't even been 24 hours yet! This turn is going just fine so far http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[CyborgMoses]

Well, that's odd... the game tracker was showing Caelum as the nation that hadn't registered a turn, but now it's Arcoscephale that staled?

[Teraswaerto]

Abysia has forced us to retreat under the waves, as continuous war against first R'lyeh, and then Man and Abysia was too much even for the proud Atlanteans.

Any nation that goes to war with Man or Abysia in the future will have us as an ally, our only requirement being that we may claim back our coastal home.

[lch]

CyborgMoses said:
Well, that's odd... the game tracker was showing Caelum as the nation that hadn't registered a turn, but now it's Arcoscephale that staled?


True, not only the script said so, but the ingame tracker showed the same. I guess because of the timer trouble that Velusion has with his VMware hosts that it showed Arco as "missed a turn" (he must have done it immediately after hosting last turn, and the script only checks if that is more than 48 hours ago). When I had a look some hours ago the ingame counter showed 48 hours remaining, too, maybe it has been reset. Why Caelum is shown as only "Turn pending" I don't know, I guess he made his turn in time and that's why the game hosted?

[Velusion]

Caelum staled last turn. If it looks like he is going to stale here again I'm going to put him on AI. His position is apparently not that great, so I'm not going to bother with a replacement.

[Velusion]

Hmmm... so whats the largest amount of troops you can have on a battlefield before the game crashes? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Hadrian_II]

Velusion said:
Hmmm... so whats the largest amount of troops you can have on a battlefield before the game crashes? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



something about this
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/502607-ermor.jpg
btw. this army is way too big

[CyborgMoses]

Haha, wow. That is one hell of a lot of dead guys.

[Manuk]

something dunny actually happened this turn. Acrocephale, my western neighbour said my actions (???) have upseted him and he wants to attack me.
Bad news for him, the armies like the picture above are already attacking me and you will meet them instead.

[Hadrian_II]

Manuk said:
Acrocephale, my western neighbour said my actions (???) have upseted him and he wants to attack me.



this is just MOO2 style diplomacy (when there the AI wants to attack you they say almost exactly this) so you havent really done anything, but as you say, ermor is crushing you, and it would be bad, if ermor gets all of you, would it not?

[calmon]

If i would be the next neighbour of ermor i wouldn't be that relaxed. But maybe you have an arrangement with the dead. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[lch]

Hadrian_II said:

Manuk said:
Acrocephale, my western neighbour said my actions (???) have upseted him and he wants to attack me.



this is just MOO2 style diplomacy (when there the AI wants to attack you they say almost exactly this) so you havent really done anything, but as you say, ermor is crushing you, and it would be bad, if ermor gets all of you, would it not?


Or you could, like, help Jomon against Ermor!? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif God beware! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Baalz]

Indeed the walking dead grow close to critical mass and all living men should fear them. They expand like a cancer in all directions and with blood flowing in their veins would do well to oppose them. Our squabbles will come to aught when we all serve the lord of the dead.

[Velusion]

Baalz (Tien)just wants a free hand to crush Utgard, one of the few nations that have been civil to the dead. His concern revolves around keeping me busy so he can plunder my more civil neighbors.

"Crushing Jomon"?!? When did I start doing this? Sure I can raid his lands but if anyone has scouts in the northern wastes they will see 2 large "anti-undead" armies advancing deep into Ermor territory.

And any "crushing" I one day get around to is totally justified... I offered Jomon peace and he tried to force me to pay a ridiculous bribe. Wanting to "rest in peace" I reluctantly offered to give him what I could, but still Jomon rejected it and attacked me first! I think Jomon sensed he could take advantage of C'tises misfortune (who, btw, attacked me first as well) and now that someone is taking advantage of him he wishes to complain!

The Dead Laugh!

P.S. Everyone knows that my huge armies can be almost completely wiped out with combination of priests and anti-undead spells... The graph is impressive, but ultimately misleading.

[Baalz]

Oh ho ho, the lord of the dead speaks out the back side of his skull. The horselords do not prance around to attract sympathetic bystanders, we simply let one and all know that we stand with any who stand against the legion of dead and their necrophilic giant companions. Let those who stand on the sidelines not complain when thousands of frozen dead begin tearing down their walls as the Ermor/Utgard unholy alliance conquers the world. You claim the score graphs are misleading, I claim my scouts have sighted an undead army numbering several thousand and growing every day. There are naught who can stand alone against that.

Thrice you have breached our borders, and thrice been flung back bloodied. Twice have the giants attacked us, and twice had cause for regrets. Enough I say. Let the hands of men send these abominations back to the grave for good before it is too late.

[Hadrian_II]

lch said:
Or you could, like, help Jomon against Ermor!? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif God beware! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif



you could say that i help jomon against ermor, as my armies are walking in ermors direction. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif
But jomon seems to be death already, so everything of jomon i get will hurt ermor on the long run.

btw. glamour sucks, its somehow bad to invade an empty province, and then to discover that 100 vans are sitting inside.

[calmon]

Jomon is dead? They've a lot of provinces and second most troops. I've no scouts there but the graph says something else.

[Velusion]

calmon said:
Jomon is dead? They've a lot of provinces and second most troops. I've no scouts there but the graph says something else.



They most certainly are not dead... I can tell these things. My death-dar is quite accurate. Large scary hordes of Samurai Archers are at my doorstep, and they aren't knocking.

[Hadrian_II]

calmon said:
Jomon is dead? They've a lot of provinces and second most troops. I've no scouts there but the graph says something else.



Jomon is also a nation, that is pillaged by barbarian hordes and has now provinces being indy for quite a long time. On the graph he looks stronger but i feel like he will fall soon.

[Hadrian_II]

By diplomatic pressure from our friends, Arcoscephale decides not to attack Jomon and to let all his provinces fall into ermorian hands.

[CyborgMoses]

Has Micah stopped playing? I think he's staled the last 1-2 turns, and he hasn't taken this turn yet.

[calmon]

He didn't stall, thats for sure.

[CyborgMoses]

Ah, okay. During the last turn, I checked the tracker and saw that he was the last one who hadn't played; when I went to play this turn, I saw that nobody had played yet, so I figured that there was a stale, since normally the last person will play their turn first, and the game had hosted right around when the counter would have hit zero. I guess he must have played just at the buzzer, and was running his new turn right then.

[Velusion]

I think he's been on the road traveling this weekend.

[lch]

Yep, check the Radiance thread and a few others where he is playing.

[Micah]

Yep, I didn't take my 2nd turn in a row due to the fact that it would have cut into the 3 hours of sleep I got that night =)

Trying to stay on top of everything, but it's a busy weekend for me, about to run my turns now though.

[lch]

Baalz seems to be suffering from the "always connected" bug again.

[Baalz]

I reconnected, re-uploaded my turn, and re-finished it. Let me know if it's still showing as hanging.

[lch]

Yep, you're still shown as connected. But since you uploaded your turn file, I guess it shouldn't matter. It's still strange that it always happens with you, and with you only. What OS are you using, again? Do we have any other people with that OS on here?

[Baalz]

Oh, Windows XP. Is it holding up the hosting? Nobody has mentioned anything in the other MP games I'm in, and it doesn't seem to effect my orders....

[Velusion]

Baalz said:
Oh, Windows XP. Is it holding up the hosting? Nobody has mentioned anything in the other MP games I'm in, and it doesn't seem to effect my orders....



Nah, it doesn't matter. Usually I see it if you just close Dom3 instead of hitting exit (even after you submit your turn) but it doesn't affect the game - so don't worry about it.

[lch]

I got the email from the server that a new turn was hosted but I can't connect to the server at all at the moment. Am I the only one with this problem? I am now in Italy and I had some problems to get my net connection up here, but I could connect to my own server and download the turn just fine...

[Velusion]

Server needed to be restarted. Should be up and going now.

[CyborgMoses]

My internet service has disappeared; depending on the reason, it might take a day or two to get reconnected. If you folks would be willing to wait, I'd appreciate it.

[CyborgMoses]

Okay, the problem's fixed.

[CyborgMoses]

Would anyone be interested in selling a water booster item or two?

[FAJ]

PM me for water boosters.

[CyborgMoses]

Okay, water is taken care of. Thanks, folks.

[Velusion]

Man missed the last hosting. I'm hoping he wont miss the next one, but if he is about to I'll be looking for a replacement.

[Teraswaerto]

Atlantis would like to trade for water gems. We offer earth gems in return, one earth for one water.

[Baalz]

When will the filthy giants learn that their fetid bulk is not enough to allow them to stand against real cavalry? Utgard again brought all the strength it could muster to the field against our warriors, this time bringing their idol to prance around for our amusement. Spies and scouts were thick as fleas in this province, the giants had employed an assassin and our responding patrols turned up nearly a dozen spectators waiting to see our troops clash. Here is what transpired for those who had their eyes removed.

The great giant host drew up around their false goddess, a hugely fat great mother. Our heavy cavalry pawed the ground eagerly, relieved to have a break from the monotony of seiging the onetime capitol of Argatha. The giants had been thoughtful, and brought more than enough of their kin for every of our mighty warriors to blood themselves.

Having felt the sting of the giant’s frost magic in the past, our Celestial Masters began the battle by enchanting all of our forces with a winter ward, fortifying them against the chilling arts. Meanwhile, our great hero Li T’ieh-Kuai summoned a group of valkyries to harass the giant’s spellcasters, while some of our ancestor guides sent waves of shadow blasts into the giant’s ranks. Then our warriors charged forward screaming for blood, the towering forms of Celestial Soldiers hot on their heels in a second wave.

Seeing their fate glinting on the end of 12 foot ashwood lances, the cowardly earth mother summoned up the powers of the earth in a great earthquake, attempting to drop our battlemages before the battle was truly joined. This first attempt caused only mild damage for our army is uniformly dextrous, but the earth mother seemed inclined to cast this all day which could have caused a problem, so one of our Celestial Masters quickly paralyzed the fat figure to put an end to that. Our wave of thundering doom broke over the giant ranks and scores of giants were skewered in a bloody, screaming impact that cracked like the thunder our Celestial Masters rained down in the giant’s back ranks.

Such was the ferocity of our warriors that our ancestor smiths scarcely had time to finish their enchantment of them before the majority of the giants lay unmoving in the shallow snow. Stellar Cascades rained down among the giant sorcerers, and those who were not quickly paralyzed found that even their ineffective frost spells could scarcely be cast as their energy was leeched out their skin.

Our third wave of water elementals never even had a chance to join the fray as the few remaining giants ran for their lives, abandoning their paralyzed false god, prophet, and sorcerers. Not one in ten giants lived through the day, and not a single of their spell casters walked off the field. Their false goddess was drawn and quartered, her paralyzed body torn limb from limb to prevent it from regenerating and show one and all her true lack of divinity.

Having slain the only leadership the giants know, it is only humane to continue through and finish them. Let it not be said that the horselords would leave a lame horse to shuffle around in pain!

[FAJ]

Hehe, if I knew I was attacking a role-player I would have held off :/

I have never played with the giants before (I don't play SP) so I am kind of just throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks. I didn't realize that there was a defense check for earthquake or I would't have bothered. I feel as though it might be worth it just to bring out all the death casters and drop 20-30 shadow blasts and see if its worth the gems.

[Velusion]

I officially give up trying to storm castles with anything but lots of sacred undead calverly. 2.5K troops demoloshed by 100+ defenders. *sighs*

It's going to be a long, slow, painful, cruel, grind for me.

Meanwhile Marignon continues to roll over the rest of the world... *sighs*. Is anyone even fighting him?

[Manuk]

I still don't understand why in the other fight your undead commanders routed. Plenty of skeletons still to fight and they did let them dissolve.

[Micah]

Patala just donated a few hundred gems to Calmon (Marignon) to speed his inevitable win, I save scorched earth for wars I don't start.

I asked for help against him a long time back and none came. I think it's too late now to do anything about him. As I said, it would be a lot better for the world to have Patala having a whole island than Marignon with an island AND the mainland foothold.

[Velusion]

Micah said:
Patala just donated a few hundred gems to Calmon (Marignon) to speed his inevitable win, I save scorched earth for wars I don't start.




Wonderful. *sighs* You know you could have picked another weaker nation that doesn't even border Marignon and donated your gems to them...


Micah said:
I asked for help against him a long time back and none came. I think it's too late now to do anything about him. As I said, it would be a lot better for the world to have Patala having a whole island than Marignon with an island AND the mainland foothold.




While I completely understand wanting to get back against those who didn't help you, annoying those that don't even border Marignon probably isn't helpful for future games...

[CyborgMoses]

You seem to be under the impression that other players are obligated to protect you. Considering that it is necessary to destroy you to win the game, this does not seem like a reasonable expectation.

[lch]

Micah said:
I asked for help against him a long time back and none came.


Pfft, a sore loser, turning bitter. Has the thought crossed your mind that he attacked you on the island exactly because nobody else could? And it's not like everybody else is not already fighting their own wars. If I'd been you, I'd put those gems to use to summon whatever I can and throw it against him. It really can make a difference. And even if you're still going down, you can say that at least you gave it all you got.

[Velusion]

lch said:

Micah said:
I asked for help against him a long time back and none came.


Pfft, a sore loser, turning bitter. Has the thought crossed your mind that he attacked you on the island exactly because nobody else could? And it's not like everybody else is already fighting their own wars. If I'd been you, I'd put those gems to use to summon whatever I can and throw it against him. It really can make a difference. And even if you're still going down, you can say that at least you gave it all you got.



Eh, after a certain point the gems wouldn't have helped him - plus he would need the research and casters in order to be able to use them. I don't think he was throwing away stuff he could use. Micah isn't a fool - I've played with him before http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif.

I agree with him that someone should have helped him as it is quickly growing apparent that Marignon is the super-power to beat (if it is even possible anymore). If I was in his position I would have probably thrown the gems to a weaker empire that was completely removed and isolated from Marignon with the hope that they would one day have revenge against Marignon and all of his neighbors that never helped.

I do disagree with the thought that you should punish everyone else in the game by giving up everything to the current leader.

Is anyone even fighting Marignon now? I don't border him so I don't know...

[lch]

Velusion said:
Eh, after a certain point the gems wouldn't have helped him - plus he would need the research and casters in order to be able to use them. I don't think he was throwing away stuff he could use. Micah isn't a fool - I've played with him before http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif.


Oh, I don't think he is a fool, but he seems to be having a fit. Gems always help, and if only by transmuting them to gems you can use. And lots of summons really can make a difference, I really speak from my own experience here. If he is expecting doom then research would be neglible anyway.


I agree with him that someone should have helped him as it is quickly growing apparent that Marignon is the super-power to beat (if it is even possible anymore).


Marignon has shown to be the super-power here as soon as during the first ten turns. Since then, he only had to make sure that he stays on top. If anybody else would really be fighting him, it would show in the other nations' army size graph. (read: nope) I do not think that anybody can take the price away from him since some 5-10 turns already, save a purely hypothetical situation in which all others would stop their quarrels and attack him together. But I'd not even like and support that, Calmon did well, and there's still fun enough for everyone else in this game. And of course, there can still be surprises.

[Teraswaerto]

Everyone is free to do what ever they want with their gems. There is nothing wrong with giving them to Marignon.


annoying those that don't even border Marignon probably isn't helpful for future games...

Carrying grudges from game to game? Classy.

[Micah]

Thanks Tera.

Marignon didn't start the fight on the island, I did. I was hoping to get rid of him before he got too established. But, between Marignon's best-in-the-game PD and what seemed to be archer indies in every single one of the provinces Calmon had, combined with flaming arrows and my shieldless troops, I failed. I don't think waiting would have helped any though, since he was already in a fairly dominant position.

Ich: I spent my research going after arrow fend, and not anything I could dump massive amounts of gems into. By the time I got it I'd lost too much territory to recover, owing to Patala's amazingly bad PD and Marignon's financial/research dominance. I managed a couple of inspiring battles, including killing their pretender, but I was doomed to a phyrric loss. Alchemy wouldn't have helped me, I was doing alright until the bottleneck broke. I went from viable to near-hopeless in the space of 2 turns, it wasn't a gradual thing that could have been stopped with some gold...I needed arrow fend, and you can't alchemize research.

Moses: I don't think people are obligated to protect me. I told people that they should attack Marignon while I had them distracted. They didn't, and now it's too late to stop Calmon from winning. My expectation was not that I should be protected, but that people should look to their long-term interests.

Why should I hold a grudge against Calmon for beating me in a fight that I started? I fought until there was no hope left, and then a little longer to be sure, but the loss of half my mages and my pretender sealed the deal. Patala was done and I had a pile of gems to give out. Giving them to a nation that beats me fairly seems a pretty good choice to me. Here's why:

Assuming that meta-gaming happens: If I can provide a precedent that a nation might get a couple of hundred gems by waiting the last turn or two before attacking me to let a NAP expire instead of jumping the gun I will be gaining a few turns of advantage from that. Whereas if I insist on punishing everyone I fight and going scorched-earth all of the time it just encourages people to try to surprise me so I have less time to make my empire implode. As I said, I save that for the times when I get backstabbed.

If you're more of a role-player: Not having an ally to evacuate their magical treasures to, Patala's store of gems was left inside their jeweled city, and was found and looted by Marignon when they successfully stormed the castle.

On top of that, as I said, I'm pretty sure the game is done at this point. Marignon leads all of the graphs, by far, and also has blood magic, which isn't reflected in any of them. The arch devils he has running around count for a bit more than 6 size points on the army graph, trust me. If Calmon doesn't win at this point I'll be VERY surprised. I honestly believe that I'm merely speeding the inevitable along with my donation so people won't get stuck playing out a foregone game for quite as long. I'm sure people will take exception to such a deterministic view of the game, but Marignon's lead at this point is just too big.

[lch]

Micah said:
Ich: I spent my research going after arrow fend, and not anything I could dump massive amounts of gems into.


You could have tried to trade your gems for Staff of Storms from air-magic nations like Man or Midgard.

I don't resent your choice of giving your gems away, but you just seemed to be angry about something that can't be helped.

[Velusion]

Teraswaerto said:
Everyone is free to do what ever they want with their gems. There is nothing wrong with giving them to Marignon.


annoying those that don't even border Marignon probably isn't helpful for future games...

Carrying grudges from game to game? Classy.



Everyone is free to do what ever they want with their grudges. There is nothing wrong with holding them against other players. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Edit: Note that I didn't say that *I* would carry over this grudge, only that Micah's actions might create one.

[Micah]

You're right Ich, I should have checked about some staves, but it didn't look like either of them was anywhere close to cons 6 from the research graph, so I took the lazy route.

I didn't mean to come off as angry, I was just trying to be matter-of-fact. Tone is a casualty of the internet though.

[Velusion]

I have created a thread concerning the server that hosts this game. Please check it before posting that the server is down.

Velusion's Game Server Update Thread (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=d3maars&amp;Number=507308&amp;fpar t=&amp;PHPSESSID=)

[lch]

Velusion said:
Update: due to complications The server will not be up for another 2 hours.


So, how much time is left on Eventide? There are quite a few nations that have to do their turns...

[Velusion]

Should be about 42 hours left...

[lch]

Velusion said:
Should be about 42 hours left...


That means I missed the hosting by about 6 hours? That's pretty bad because I had the turn prepared, just no time to upload. And I was using the counter on the status page to manage the time when I had to do my turn. Seriously, you should either fix it or disable the counter. Oh well... on Friday my hectic schedule will finally be over. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif

[Velusion]

lch said:

Velusion said:
Should be about 42 hours left...


That means I missed the hosting by about 6 hours? That's pretty bad because I had the turn prepared, just no time to upload. And I was using the counter on the status page to manage the time when I had to do my turn. Seriously, you should either fix it or disable the counter. Oh well... on Friday my hectic schedule will finally be over. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif



The timer was reset about 6 hours from your first message. The turn did not host... You should be fine.

[Fal]

I'm curious, I played the last turn, and the in-game message tells me I had a stalled turn, wonder what's going on...

[calmon]

Always check the status page: http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/stats.php?game=Eventide
You were marked with 'Turn Pending' at least 1 hour before hosting.