The Quick and The Dead [ Calmon WINS!! ]

[Ironhawk]

Tired of month-long build ups of 5 minute turns, just to get to the meat of a long term dominions game? Always get killed off before the awesome late-game magics come out to play? Then this is the game for you! We will be playing this game with a special accelerated start designed to bypass the intro part of the game and jump straight into the action. Due to the speedy nature of this game we will only be having 10 players.

Server:
IP: 24.18.113.45
Port: 7501

Age: Late Age

Map: Urraparrand

House Rules
1) No dual-blessing. Max of one level 9 bless.
2) All nations will be given 10 sages at thier capital to simulate the research-base of a normal game
3) Initial 3-turn cease-fire. No nation can launch any attacks till turn 3.

Settings:
Starting Provs: 9
Indy Strength: 9
Magic Sites: 65
Gold Mult: 150%
Resource Mult: 150%
Graphs: On
Hall of Fame: 15
Research: Easy
Renaming: On

Victory Conditions:
Capital VPs Only
4 VPs to win

Mods:
Conceptual Balance 1.0
Worthy Heroes 1.6

Hosting Schedule: 24hr Quickhost

Players
1. Ironhawk - Midgard
2. Msew - Abysia
3. Kissblade - Patala
4. Morkilus - Ulm
5. Calmon - Ermor
6. FAJ - C'tis
7. GameExtremist - Arco
8. Solo - Utgard
9. Rathar - Agartha
10. Kydorias - Caelum

[Ironhawk]

Oh, i think Morkilus wanted in too?

I can't remember who all wanted in on this game. Just post with whatever nation you want below.

[Evilhomer]

R'lyeh....hmm do I get sages then =) ?

[calmon]

Ok, i would like to try this out. Ermor please

4 VP to win please, thats like 40% and shouldn't be to much.

[FAJ]

Im in with C'tis

[FAJ]

Also, what are we doing about the conceptual mod problems?

I believe one of the issues was with seige golems being free. The mod was a bit buggy is other cicumstances as well (super cheap indie-shamans etc). Are you positive you want the conceptual balance mod? Have the issues been fixed?

[Ironhawk]

Evilhomer said:
R'lyeh....hmm do I get sages then =) ?



Hrrm... actually I dunno if we should allow water nations. With such a small map and wars likely to start almost immediately I doubt people will have time to build specialized equipment to enter the water. Plus all your sages would drown the first turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Do you have a second choice evilhomer?

[Ironhawk]

calmon said:
4 VP to win please, thats like 40% and shouldn't be to much.



Yeah but you have to remember that VPs are located only in capital provinces. Perhaps the hardest provinces to take in the game. I'm really torn on whether it should be 4 or 3 vps. Conquering one player should be relatively easy. But once you have that vp, all the other players would turn against you, making your 3rd vp very difficult to get. Dunno.

[jutetrea]

Love the idea, but still an MP noob and would probably be pitiful. I'll check back in case you're in need of "filler" players.

[Rathar]

I wanted into this game. Agartha if possible.

First dom 3 MP for me so forgive me for taking a bit to get up to speed~! Like.. where are the god files? I cant seem to find em..

Rathar

[KissBlade]

Jomon please. Also I'd like to vote no water nations with this sort of start.

[llamabeast]

Oh, I'd quite like to join in with this. Man please!

Edit: Actually sorry, I think I'd better not start another game right now. Need to do more studying!

[KissBlade]

edit: Actually nm I'll try Jomon anyway.

[Ironhawk]

FAJ said:
Also, what are we doing about the conceptual mod problems?




FAJ, I believe that the problems you listed have been corrected already in Conceptual Balance version 1.0 (the version we will be using). Even so, I will look over the mod again to make sure there are no glaring errors.

[solo]

I'd like to join as Utgard

[msew]

I am playing for certain. Need to check out which races are avail in Late Age and such.

[Kydorias]

I'd like to try Caelum. I think they're Return of the Raptors or somesuch in LA?

[GameExtremist]

Please count me in. I am new to MP and have just started in another game. I'd like in on this accelerated startup game too.

Need to pick a race....

[Ironhawk]

Decided to go with 4VPs for the victory condition. Will be better that way in case a winning player cause someone collapse next to him and gets a VP for "free". So, it now means that you have to conquer 3 capitals in order to win. Not a small feat!

[msew]

I will play Abysia

[Morkilus]

I'll take Ulm if it's not too late.

[KissBlade]

Actually disregard this, I think I want to play after all. But switch my nation to Patala?

[Evilhomer]

I will leave my spot for one of the subs, gl you all

[Ironhawk]

Ok, I will contact the subs and see which is interested.

[jutetrea]

I'm in if there's still space

[jutetrea]

Actually, I apologize - after playing the CB mod for a few hours I don't think I like it much. Might be that I'm just now getting used to the spell/summons/construction pathways and the change is bad, dunno.

[Ironhawk]

GameExtremist has opted in and asked for a random nation. I have given him Arco.

I will be playing Midgard - long live the Vaniir!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ironhawk]

Ok, now that we have all our players, what do you guys think for a map? We need about 150 provinces. Just looking over the standard list I see that Urraparand has 145 provinces. Unfortunately, it also has 35 water provs - dunno how you guys feel about that. Instead of dragging out an extended debate, just post in the thread if you want to:

1) Use Urraparand

or

2) Have me generate a 150 province random map

[KissBlade]

Hah! Makes no difference to me. I have one of THE WORST Pretenders in mind ever!!! XD

[calmon]

Urraparand is good, i never played this map and i like wraparound.

Even the 150% money multiplayer suggesstion of the map works fine for us.

[Rathar]

I think we should use a random no water map because water provinces cut down on possible independent/buffer expansion.

I've run a few tests on the map with 10 nations 9 provs each and we get stuffed together quick heh..

Rathar

[calmon]

I did tests too, 10 nations needs 90 provinces and there are only 60 left. I had no nation without any neutral provinces as neighbour. I'm not sure this works with every random map.

Maps without water are probalby boring. No strategic points, just land after land after land.

[Kydorias]

I vote for random with no water.

[Ironhawk]

I tend to agree with calmon on this one. Additionally, I think that water provinces might actually result in better distributions of starting provinces for all nations. Since no one else has voted this makes it 3-2 in favor of Urraparrand.

I have sent the map to Sheap (a trusted 3rd party and experienced dominions player) to place capitals and add Sages. That way I wont have any foreknowledge of the positions.

[Ironhawk]

Ok, the server is now up for pretender uploads...

IP: 24.18.113.45
Port: 7501

Game will begin Saturday or Sunday night, depending on how fast you guys get your pretenders in. I've zipped up the mods for this game and attached them to the first post in the thread. Make sure you have them enabled before you create your pretender!

[Ironhawk]

For any players who have never done this before, this is the protocol:

Open Dom3 on your computer
Make sure the mods for this game are enabled!!
Create a Late Age pretender for your nation
Connect to the IP and Port listed above
Click your nation (it will switch to Human Controlled)
Exit

When this is complete, your pretender will have been automatically uploaded to the server. If you have any questions please ask in the thread. It is MUCH better to get this all right the first time rather than having to restart several times.

[calmon]

To be fair the voting for the map is 2-2. Maybe you count my 2 posts as 2 different.

[GameExtremist]

Done and done - Arco ready.

[solo]

Done and Utgard ready.

My preference is for a larger map. Wraparound seems best, else those starting in the middle are most likely to be targeted and those near corners would have an unfair advantage.

(Note: I was not asked for my Pretender's name, so will assume that the Pretender file created earlier using these mods was loaded.)

[Ironhawk]

calmon said:
To be fair the voting for the map is 2-2. Maybe you count my 2 posts as 2 different.



No, I was the tiebreaking vote. 3-2 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ironhawk]

solo said:
(Note: I was not asked for my Pretender's name, so will assume that the Pretender file created earlier using these mods was loaded.)



Solo, I believe if you only have one pretender created for the nation and age in question, dominions will just automatically use it without prompting you to pick. If you had had more than one, you would have made a selection.

[FAJ]

Ctis up

[Ironhawk]

Three pretenders already! At this rate we might be able to start tonight or early tomorrow http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[calmon]

Ermor is ready and up

[solo]

Yes, I only had one Pretender file, so hopefully it loaded okay.

The reason I asked is because in SP games you are asked which file to load, even if there is only one there.

[Kydorias]

Caelum done. All shall fear the wrath of the birdbrain.

[calmon]

Tried to connect to the server to reupload my pretender but it seems the server is down.

[Ironhawk]

Yeah sorry about that. Had some people over last night and one of them tripped over my network cabling. Took until now to get everything back up again.

Server should be available now. Lets try and get all the pretenders in by tonight.

[calmon]

Ok, my new pretender is up.

We're waiting for Abysia, Ulm and Agartha pretender.

[msew]

abysia in

[Ironhawk]

I'm in also

Just waiting on Morkilus and Rathar, now

[KissBlade]

.

[Morkilus]

Sorry about the wait, guys. I'm ready now.

[Ironhawk]

KissBlade said:
Well I think I have to drop out this game. Real life drama, eating up time and mood to play. *frowns* Ironhawk you can close Patala and allow someone else in if they wish. Sorry.



Ok kissblade - sorry you are having troubles man. Hope it gets better.

[Ironhawk]

So, I'm considering cutting Rathar from the lineup. We've been waiting for uploads for three days without hearing from him. No response to the PMs I've sent, either. I think what I will do is just wait until the map prepared by Sheap (which should be later today) and then if he hasnt gotten in by that time, we will just start without him. I hate to do it - but then I hate to make 9 players sit around for only 1. :/

[FAJ]

People who are slow to start tend to be slow during the game as well.

[solo]

Good idea, since anyone delaying the start is likely to just cause more delays as the game progresses.

We are The Quick and The Dead, and hopefully not Dead in the Water.

[Rathar]

Eep. I work a lot on the weekened! If not too late I'll shoot something up asap!

Rathar

[Rathar]

Hmm I knew this was going to happen.. I create a god connect to the server, try to upload and it says I haven't created a god. Done it three times now.. Any clues?

Patched to 3.04 got cb and worthy up and on.. Ermm?

Rathar

N.M. I knew I was being an idiot and I figured out how. Pretender uploaded, sorry for the wait.

[calmon]

We use patch 3.06 just in case you didn't do a typing error http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[mivayan]

I talked to Ironhawk, who let me join in the last minute as pangea. Pretender uploaded.

[Ironhawk]

Indeed. All pretenders are now accounted for. I have relayed the pretenders to Sheap (who is unfortunately at work today http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif ) and he has told me he will have the map ready by tonight. Whenever I get it, I will start the game.

So look for your first turn tonight or tomorrow morning http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ironhawk]

Ok guys - server is started! Game on http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Good Luck to everyone. Remember you can't launch ANY attacks for the first three turns

[Kydorias]

By ANY attacks, I assume you include indy provinces?

[calmon]

In the 'pretenders of the world' list there is still KissBlade as Patala.

Did he change his mind and play now?

We are 11 pretenders in the game, announced were 10.

Just to clarify http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[FAJ]

By the looks of the start, this is going to be a hectic game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Ironhawk]

Yep, you can't attack players OR indies for the first three turns.

Kissblade did indeed decide to play again. Additionally, I also allowed Mivayan in at the last minute since he had offered to play as a replacement when we were one player down.

This is definitely going to be a hectic game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[FAJ]

I am starting to regret having a dormant god D:

[Ironhawk]

Oh wow, yeah you are in trouble. I was talking to another player who said he was also worried because he had a "weak" pretender. This game definitely benefits a strong, awake, combat pretender, thats for sure!

But on the brighter side, with the 3-turn cease fire, you only need to survive 9 turns before your pretender wakes up.

[FAJ]

True, but if I can survive the initial mayhem, my choice of good scales may pay off!

maybe http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Rathar]

I share that hope FAJ! Well.. For me that is, not you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

I'm just hoping my game plan for this game doesn't turn out to be made of tissue paper as oh so many of them seem to be..

Rathar

[Morkilus]

Turn 2 up!

[mivayan]

Turn 3 is up. No attacks this turn!

[Ironhawk]

Ughhhhhhhh

One of my sages was just assassinated by a Ninja http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

So much for these fortune tellers preventing bad events!!

[Kydorias]

I find it very odd that I already have 4 commanders in the Hall of Fame.

To my neighbors, beware. If you find your food stores broken into and your barnyards raided after a dark night, know that one of my scouts apparently has an insatiable gluttony problem and is now unequaled in his obesity.

Assuming he can still lift his bulk off the ground, I'll demand he fly back to my capital and undergo gastrointestinal bypass surgery.

[mivayan]

Turn 4 is up. Should we announce it every time? Seems usefull to do.

[Ironhawk]

Yeah I have a random mage I bought in the hall of fame for no reason as well.

Feel free to announce the turns as you see fit. For my part as the host, I will announce this:

Turn 4 has been reached and the global cease-fire is over. Feel free to now attack indys or other players. Good luck to all!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ironhawk]

Has anyone declared war already? I saw some big dips in troop numbers this turn.

[Kydorias]

I'm not at war with anyone, but my big fat scout fell out of the sky and squished 3 Ermorian Legions.

[KissBlade]

Pan lost a province from what I saw ...

[Ironhawk]

Yeah. Impossible to tell if someone took it from them or if they lost it to indies tho. Any comments, Pan?

[mivayan]

KissBlade said:
Pan lost a province from what I saw ...


Curse those scales having an effect the events!

[calmon]

Are you sure this game has 65% magic sites? Not a single death site in my whole glory empire http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[mivayan]

turn 7 is up. Ermor's castles are breeding! So sayeth the graphs.

[Ironhawk]

It should be 65 sites, yeah. Tho I just searched a mountain prov myself and found absolutely nothing which was a shock.

Guess if you want those death gems you will have to go to war with your neighbor!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[calmon]

mivayan said:
turn 7 is up. Ermor's castles are breeding! So sayeth the graphs.



Rocks have a longer lifespan than flesh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Ironhawk]

calmon said:
Rocks have a longer lifespan than flesh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



Geez, you weren't kidding!! Ermor must have like 5 forts now?? How can you afford that AND have the biggest army?

[mivayan]

I dont think ermor: ashen empire is putting gold into armies...

also, turn 8 is up.

[calmon]

Thats weird. I was in the game 2 hours ago and the only turn missing was that from agartha. Now agartha finished his turn but c'tis apears as 'not played'. I'm nearly sure his state was 'played' 2 hours ago.

However c'tis missed his last turn too...

[FAJ]

Im not in the same state as my computer. I will play my turn tonight when i get back.

I hope nobody attacked me while i was stale!

[Ironhawk]

mivayan said:
I dont think ermor: ashen empire is putting gold into armies...

also, turn 8 is up.



Actually, sheap has informed me that LA Ermor is broken. They recieve extra gold to counterbalance thier death dominion. But that dominion is broken in dom3 and their population doesnt die off nearly fast enough. So the result is that Ermor effectively has a gold bonus compared to other nations http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Ironhawk]

So, my grandmother has died and I must return to CT for the funeral. I'll be away until Wednesday but should hopefully be able to play my turns remotely most of the time. Sheap has offered to cover for me if need be. Unfortunately, the server is running on my home machine - so if it crashes I wont be here to restart it until I return.

[Rathar]

Oh Drat.. C'tis was staling. Hmm What to do what to do..

Rathar

[calmon]

A gold bonus? I didn't see any gold bonus playing ermor. I've 200% tax (and high patroller) in home and ~110% taxes in other provinces and sometimes higher with patrollers, its all totally normal. Income is going down very fast with every point of dominion killing your people.

Look at the graphs. Did you see any bonus?

I'm not sure about die rate of population, maybe they die a little slower then in dom2.
But income/resources got a huge increase in dom3 overall and ermor do benefit from that only a small fraction (at the start of the game). So this could be a small compensation.

[Ironhawk]

How long has C'tis been staling? Do we need to find a sub?

[KissBlade]

C'tis mentioned something about not being in the same state as his computer. Did he only stale two turns?

[FAJ]

I only staled once afaik.

Was away for one weekend.

[Ironhawk]

Ok cool

[mivayan]

I staled once beacuse I played my turn offline, then apparantly forgot to upload it.

[Ironhawk]

LOL!!! I cant believe none of you even sent a commander to the deathmatch! I won by default http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Long live the warriors of Midgard I guess hahahaha

[KissBlade]

The enlightened ones of Patala finds such things as "Deathmatch" too barbaric for our tastes. Good day sir!

[solo]

Ironhawk said:
LOL!!! I cant believe none of you even sent a commander to the deathmatch! I won by default http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Long live the warriors of Midgard I guess hahahaha



Darn, I was meaning to equip a weak commander with a Bane Venom Charm and send him in, but forgot!

[FAJ]

I was too busy getting my *** handed to me by Tien Chi to send a contestant.

[KissBlade]

FAJ said:
I was too busy getting my *** handed to me by Tien Chi to send a contestant.



Who??? O_o

[msew]

surprised ermor didn't send like 10 commanders in

[Morkilus]

Alright, Caelum has a RIDICULOUS amount of PD on their capitol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

And Mammoths beat the crap out of Rangers.

[msew]

I want to see a mammoth

[Kydorias]

Morkilus said:
Alright, Caelum has a RIDICULOUS amount of PD on their capitol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

And Mammoths beat the crap out of Rangers.

My Mammoths didn't even get a chance at your Rangers before they routed. You thought you had a soft target and you attempted to take advantage of it. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried, but the battle came out well for me.

Arco met a similar fate, although his massive amount of War Elephants did quite a bit of damage against my defending forces.

And forgive me if I had to ramp up my PD to ridiculous amounts. That's what happens when Ulm, Arco, and Utgard all gang up on me at once.

Now be prepared to feel the wrath of the Birdbrain.

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum

[GameExtremist]

The Elephants did pretty good huh? Before they routed.

Your twelve commanders can spam a lot of lightning bolts...my Bandar guys were dropping like flies 'cos of that that is what cost me the battle ahh well : )

[Ironhawk]

Heheheh. Sounds like Caelum is putting up a stiff defense! Good for him - VPs should be hard to take http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[msew]

12 commanders from PD?! HOLY MOLY

[Morkilus]

Yeah, I'm done with this "police action". The thralls of Ulm are painting rainbows and peace signs on our ramparts and throwing buckets of poop on our Zweihanders from the Blackiron Gate Bridge.

[GameExtremist]

Is the server down?

[msew]

The fire burns within. We must release the flames. We must BUURRRR *connect timed out please try again*

[msew]

I guess along with the no server being up and the well of misery being up. It is just going to be a bad bad night.

[Rathar]

oh jeez the server is down?

Well I am on vacation in San Francisco and my abilities to reach a Wi-Fi spot are limited so... Not to mention that tomorrow I go to Taos for skiing and... Etc etc..

Not asking for special favors but do understand that if I stale for 4 days in a row I am doing my best.

Rathar

P.S. I have no xp with servers being down and Dom3 Do they still count down the hours? If so I have ummm 3 to get in a turn.! Again no excuses just reasons for why I may suddenly seem to suck!

[KissBlade]

There's a well of misery up?? O_o

[Kydorias]

GameExtremist said:
The Elephants did pretty good huh? Before they routed.

Your twelve commanders can spam a lot of lightning bolts...my Bandar guys were dropping like flies 'cos of that that is what cost me the battle ahh well : )

Your durn Elephants absolutely mowed down most of my non-PD defensive forces. It was a costly victory for me.

And no, my 12 commanders were not PD. I can't imagine the amount of gold one would have to pump into PD in order to get 12 commanders.

So what's the ETA of the server coming back up?

[KissBlade]

Heh, you should probably not give away your military secrets when you're in a 1v3 situation. =) Where are your other neighbors anyway? I'd send help if I even had a clue where to para some in.

[GameExtremist]

KissBlade said:
Heh, you should probably not give away your military secrets when you're in a 1v3 situation. =) Where are your other neighbors anyway? I'd send help if I even had a clue where to para some in.



We are his neigbours http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif although somewhat belligerent ones at that..

[quantum_mechani]

Kydorias said:

And no, my 12 commanders were not PD. I can't imagine the amount of gold one would have to pump into PD in order to get 12 commanders.



You can only get two PD commanders, no matter how much money you put in.

[KissBlade]

quantum_mechani said:

Kydorias said:

And no, my 12 commanders were not PD. I can't imagine the amount of gold one would have to pump into PD in order to get 12 commanders.



You can only get two PD commanders, no matter how much money you put in.



Exams are over soon o_O. NEW CB PLZZZZZZZ

[Morkilus]

Is the server down?

[Rathar]

Having just checked at 1:29 pst yes is the answer. Sleeping now, will check in the "I am on vacation" morning I.E. noonthirty

Rathar

[solo]

Server appears to be down now.

Well of Misery already?

Isn't it enough misery to have over 300 undead and a Wraith Lord suddenly appear on one's doorstep?

Ermor has really figured out how to take advantage of the way this game was set up. Nice going!

[Morkilus]

I'm guessing Ermor is the Quick, and you are the Dead. Sorry. Besides, we all know Ermor sucks in the late game, so give him a break.

[Kydorias]

KissBlade said:
Heh, you should probably not give away your military secrets when you're in a 1v3 situation. =) Where are your other neighbors anyway? I'd send help if I even had a clue where to para some in.

I have lots more surprises up my sleeve. So Ulm, Arco, and Utgard don't have to fret about knowing a couple small tidbits of intelligence on Caelum.

Expect the tides to turn soon.

[Rathar]

See you all wednesday when ironhawk returns!

[Ironhawk]

I'm here. The server is up but apparently you guys cant connect to it, which is baffling me. I will restart it now... ok its back up. I did have a network interruption yesterday, maybe that effected the server somehow? Let me know if you guys can connect.


As for the Well of Misery: Yes, ermor just cast the well this turn. So, he now now top in Forts, Army, Research, AND Gems. I am betting its only a handful of turns until the Tartarian Factory and the GR bombing begins in earnest http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[KissBlade]

I won't get home until another two hours or so, will I be able to get my turn in time >_<

[Rathar]

Hrmm Still can't connect for some reason.

Leaving to go skiing in a few hrs, hope tis up!

Rathar

[calmon]

I can't connect to the server too (Still the same IP adress, right?). I'm around for ~2 hours before i go sleep.

And i'm not ready to bomb anything beside dark knowledge http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif. Did you guys know how (gem)expensive a Ghost Rider or Tatarian Gates casting mage is for LA ermor? Ghost Riders needs a Level 6 death mage now. Not to mention that conjuration 9 still needs some time to research.

edit: and tatarian gates are modded to cost 25 death gems now (death 7). I'm not sure i'll ever cast it here.

[solo]

Nope, still can not connect. Getting stuck at "this may take some time" using ipadr 24.18.113.45 port 7501

Can you check these to see if either have changed?

[Morkilus]

Or firewalled?

[KissBlade]

Can't connect either =\

[Ironhawk]

Let me recheck the IP... yeah its right. Grrr

Ok, I am going to turn the quick timer off until we can get this sorted out. Hopefully tonight - apologies for the delay guys I dunno what is wrong

[Kydorias]

No sweat.

[Ironhawk]

Server is back up! With msew's help I was able to determine that the problem was due to internal routing on my LAN. All your game connection requests were being routed to my Tivo, not the server computer http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif This has been corrected. Restarting the server now with 24hr quickhost back on.

[msew]

Anyone have a dispel handy?

[msew]

How are people's mages and sages doing?

Old age is rough! LOL *comfort oldies*

[Ironhawk]

Hahahha yeah the Well of Misery has me spooked also. Ermor is topping almost all charts. Scary.

[msew]

Where the heck is ermor even? I (thankfully) have not come into contact with the dark one.

[KissBlade]

151 I believe?

[calmon]

Its funny that the leader of Midgard is scared about ermor. Especially the graphs.

Didn't midgard has more than the half troops of ermor? I think this guys aren't banishable, has more hipoints, most of them better attack/defence values and the vans have the glamour ability which is even unblessed a real pain.

Besides this midgard has with patala the most provinces and together with agartha and patala the best income.

I would be by far more alerted if i were a neighbor of midgard.

The only thing i would fear from ermor would be the population killing dominion, the rest can be banished.

Don't overrate LA ermor. They always best in army size graph on the start of the game and should be best in gems too because they couldn't maintain any other army than a casted one.

And for the giants: you appeared on our doorstep. You decided to attack caelum and we decided that 3 to 1 against caelum isn't fair.

[FAJ]

Hey, 3 against me isnt fair either! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[solo]

I'll confirm that Ermor's capital is in 151.

It's hard to muster enough banishers quickly enough, but things went better last turn with about 220 less undead to worry about. However, not much of a dent was made in the total number of Ermorian troops.

I agree that 3 to 1 vs. Caelem was unfair. It should have been 4 to 1, to give all of us attackers a fair chance!

Meanwhile, if anyone has made any agreements proposed by Pangaea, they are worthless! He won't hesistate to "interpret" the wording of his own proposals to suit his treacherous intentions!

[KissBlade]

May I request that because of recent server problems, hosting be delayed till everyone gets their turn in? I know Argatha specifically stated that he can't get his turn in time because of some trip he had to take?

[mivayan]

solo said:
Meanwhile, if anyone has made any agreements proposed by Pangaea, they are worthless! He won't hesistate to "interpret" the wording of his own proposals to suit his treacherous intentions!


Pangeas proposal during turn3, which was accepted during the same turn: "I wonder if you are interested in a 5-turn non-aggression pact after the ceasefire with pangea? If so I'll stay on my side of the water, so province 83 is yours."

Pangea interpreted it thus: all parts of the agreement end after 5 turns, and the border drawn up is only to clarify which indeps goes to whom.

Utgard interpreted it as: pangea promise never to attack province 83, even if we are at war later on with utgard attacking from province 83.

Pangea finds utgard's interpretation ridicolous, but notices that the message might have been slightly unclear.

[solo]

It's not an interpretation! It's simply just what you said.

If I agree to your desired NAP, then you agree to stay on your side and leave #83 for me.

The proposal might have been ridiculous, from your point of view, but you were its author! I had to laugh and immediately agree!

Of course I could surmise your evil intentions, but even if your promise was counter to them, shouldn't you be bound by what you put in writing and agreed to?

[Kydorias]

Very odd. With the last turn generation, one of my Sages decided to stop researching and take a jaunt over to one of my other fortresses. I've never seen that happen before.

I've asked him to kindly return, then I'll flog him and toss him back into the laboratory where he belongs.

[FAJ]

for some reason half my sages dissappeared. No messages.

[solo]

I have heard of odd things happening in other games on servers that were interrupted and then restarted.

[KissBlade]

Eh one of my naga's vanished when I ordered her to build a lab. Not sure if anything else weird happened. At first I dismissed it as a fluke but now that you guys brought it up ...

[Kydorias]

Well I guess I got off light then. I didn't actually lose any of my commanders, one just disappeared and reappeared somewhere else.

You lost half your Sages FAJ? Ouch, that really blows, sorry to hear that.

[KissBlade]

Hey my 450 nagas need love too =(.

[Ironhawk]

Missing commanders? I havent noticed any yet. But like half my sages are ready to die from disease, thats for sure. Is there any pattern?

[KissBlade]

Given that Rather has communicated his inability to connect to wi fi till Wednesday, I'd seriously like to request we pause the server till then. Especially because he had made an effort to try to at least get a turn but couldn't due to the server being down. With such an accelerated start, it is a pretty heavy disadvantage to stale.

[Kydorias]

Ironhawk said:
Missing commanders? I havent noticed any yet. But like half my sages are ready to die from disease, thats for sure. Is there any pattern?

Hmm..not one of my Sages has any ill effects yet. Are you heavy on Death scales?

[msew]

anyone have a soul door to block up the soul gate? :-)

[Rathar]

I am back and will get a turn in asap. Sorry I couldn't get one in sooner but well.. I couldn't!

Rathar

[Rathar]

Eeeeeww... How many turns did I miss? heh I have 7k gold lol and the map has changed changed changed..! Fun fun..

Rathar

Edit well guess I'll settle for owning all the mercs fora while?

[KissBlade]

2 turns from my estimate.

Recoverable if you just spend it all on forts + labs + temples .

[Rathar]

Yah I should be just fine except for a bit of strategery change-up! Definitely amused to start a turn with 7k gold~!

Rathar

[GameExtremist]

Ironhawk said:
Missing commanders? I havent noticed any yet. But like half my sages are ready to die from disease, thats for sure. Is there any pattern?


Nope, all my commanders where they should be, and my sages not even showing signs of having afflictions yet...lucky me : )

[solo]

Same here in regard to sages and commanders. I think I'll be needing them!

[FAJ]

ok, I am an idiot. The missing sages were half dead from disease and the other half I had to scroll down to see http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif. No corrupt files or anything.

[Ironhawk]

Hehehe, good to hear http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

So, what are you guys thinking of this game so far? Personally I think this game concept is working out smashingly! We are on what... turn 12 or something? And the Well of Misery is already in play. So we know that high magic is under research on all sides! And the sages have worked out really well, too. They arent unbalancing and they are allowing me to free up my good mages for more useful tasks. Really liking this game/concept so far!!

[msew]

yeah I love the game concept and how it is playing out so far.

We need to get to the mega battles to see how it works. But so far so good. I want to play another game like this once this one ends!!

[KissBlade]

I'm having fun. =) Feels like the opening bits of WWII already.

[Kydorias]

Yes, this is certainly a fun game. Very well thought out and set up.

[GameExtremist]

Yeah I'm enjoying it too : )

[Rathar]

Very fun and fast paced beginning! I think its great how we can use our national spell casters to do our "thematic" stuff.

The only thing I lack is truly sufficient amounts of gems/slaves etc to fuel my theoretical capabilities.

A slight modifier to Ironhawk's concept for this game might be to include X amount of each gem type per player.?

I'm building lots of indy priests how 'bout you?!

Rathar

[calmon]

This setup makes fun and i would try another one after finishing this.

I'm not sure playing with starting gems makes sense. It would help the nations with magic diversity very much (for example finding most of the sites very fast) and nation with only a few magic paths not as much.

[FAJ]

Even when triple-teamed I am enjoying this game.

i would definitly like to do another one after this. Maybe middle aged?

[solo]

Yes, I like the concept, too. It's been a lot of fun so far.

[Ironhawk]

Rathar said:
The only thing I lack is truly sufficient amounts of gems/slaves etc to fuel my theoretical capabilities.



Yeah I am finding this also. Its so odd, with 65 sites I thought that I would be swimming in magic sites. But my gem income is only average. Perhaps we should push it up to 70 (can you even go to 75?) in the next game.


I'm building lots of indy priests how 'bout you?!



Hahahah yeah I just built my first temple in an indy province. The indy priests will be coming soon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Rathar]

Yikes! Looks like I may be the first to go down..

Midgaard just boated in 585 troops to my capitol.! Anyone with artillery is greatly encouraged to test it out on region 146!!

Oh and his wyrm god is all alone underwater in 161.

Rathar

[Ironhawk]

I agree with calmon about the starting gem idea. It might unbalance things somewhat. But if bumping up the sites number doesnt fix it, it seems worth exploring the idea a little.

So, you can't directly mod gems into a player's starting treasury as far as I know. But, there are a couple of things you could do tho. The first thing that springs to mind would be to give each player one or more gem-generator items.

Another idea would to mod in a special magic site that produces.... say 1 gem of each type? And add that to each players capital.

[FAJ]

I like the relitivly low gem count. Puts more emphasis on building different troop types and using combinations of archers, infantry cavelry etc instead of all your strategy going into a handful of mages and their abilities.

[Morkilus]

Ugh... How did Caelum make the comeback of the century? That army of mammoths and seraphs (or whatever) is ridiculous.

[Kydorias]

Arcoscephale and Ulm will burn. They chose that path over a year ago. Both nations shall experience the same mercy I faced.

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum

[Rathar]

Dear Midgaard,

On this side of the ocean there is only starvation, disease, and death.

Please to go home.

Rathar

[Ironhawk]

Hahaha, no chance rathar http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I was hoping for a short, brutal war - but I will settle for a long bloody one. You put up a smashing defense at your capital, for which I salute you. But it was your walls that saved you. When you face me on the field I will crush you, Wailing Winds or not.

[Rathar]

Bah, my walls did nothing as my valiant troops marched right out of the gates first thing! Sigh.. So hard to time/space a gate defense..

Rathar

[GameExtremist]

*Rumours of a large cage being built for Arkolaos's new "songbird" is nearing completion*

Caelum has chosen their path, they have been offered a merciful truce so that we may gather our strength to counter the threat that gathers to the west of our lands - Ermor. Let it be known that Arcosephale declares a blood feud with Caelum. Our phalanx's and seers shall not rest till one of us has been vanquished, may we meet in glorious battle on the field.

So sayeth Arkolaos, protector of Arcoscephale.

[Morkilus]

The Dread Goddess Morkana speaks:

Ha! You are being fooled, friend from Arcosephale. Caelum offered us a deal as well, such that we would become enemies. I also was subject to ridiculous demands to which I could never agree. Our only option is to fight to the end. Yea Caelum, you've made quite the comeback, but your string of victories is about to come to a decisive conclusion.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

[Ironhawk]

Heheheh, looks like the war in Caelum lands is raging.

And meanwhile... The Ermorian army grows out of control. Provinces, gems, research... Can we guess who is going to win this game? Ermor.

[Kydorias]

Let me clarify this. Arcoscephale offered Caelum a truce. Caelum's reply to Arcoscephale was something along the lines of "Burn in Hell".

Then Ulm offered Caelum a truce. Caelum replied with admittedly heavy terms for a truce between Ulm and Caelum. Caelum felt the terms honorable given Ulm's blatant past aggression and the fact that Caelum is one province away from Ulm's capital.

Ulm refused Caelum's terms for a truce. And so they choose to burn.

At no time did Caelum ever offer or ask for peace between Arcoscephale and Caelum.

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum

[Morkilus]

Ah, my vampire eyes don't read well in the daylight http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Kydorias]

Ah, so Ulm's pitiful band of dilinquents chased off my Mercenaries next to his capitol. No matter, they had outlived their usefulness. I hope you have the funds to raise a strong garrison. That or you have a strong army behind your advance force.

No matter, since Arcoscephale seems to languish in indecision and do much of nothing, the pitiful band of Ulm shall all meet an immediate death, trampled under the mighty wings and feet of the armies of Caelum.

It would have behoven you to take the truce.

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum

[Morkilus]

Dude, spoiler tag! I'm not home yet! I like good news, though.

[Kydorias]

Ack, sorry :p

I usually try and stop checking the boards right around turn generation time so I don't read a spoiler.

[Morkilus]

Kydorias said:

Ulm refused Caelum's terms for a truce. And so they choose to burn.

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum



http://www.allhatnocattle.net/bushs%20bring%20em%20on.jpg

[GameExtremist]

Ironhawk said:
Heheheh, looks like the war in Caelum lands is raging.

And meanwhile... The Ermorian army grows out of control. Provinces, gems, research... Can we guess who is going to win this game? Ermor.




I am thinking a grand alliance must be formed against the Ermorian threat, that was my intent in sending a diplomatic envoy offering a ceasefire to Caelum (they are neighbours with Ermor - possibly even recieving aid from Ermor in the form of gold) so that they might ally with Ermor's neighbours and remove the vile undead threat, alas it was not to be. Caelum's short sigtedness means they seek a crushing defeat on the battlefield instead.

Who else shares a border with Ermor? It is time to settle your petty differences and unite against the undead threat!

Arkolaos, divine benefactor of Arcoscephale.

[KissBlade]

I am need of water gems and would trade other types for them on a 1:1 ratio. Voice is Tiamat is yielding such low results at 8 water a pop >_>

[Kydorias]

GameExtremist said:

Ironhawk said:
Heheheh, looks like the war in Caelum lands is raging.

And meanwhile... The Ermorian army grows out of control. Provinces, gems, research... Can we guess who is going to win this game? Ermor.




I am thinking a grand alliance must be formed against the Ermorian threat, that was my intent in sending a diplomatic envoy offering a ceasefire to Caelum (they are neighbours with Ermor - possibly even recieving aid from Ermor in the form of gold) so that they might ally with Ermor's neighbours and remove the vile undead threat, alas it was not to be. Caelum's short sigtedness means they seek a crushing defeat on the battlefield instead.

Who else shares a border with Ermor? It is time to settle your petty differences and unite against the undead threat!

Arkolaos, divine benefactor of Arcoscephale.



Ermor has provided Caelum no direct aid other than the mutual exchange of magical gems. However, the Noble Calmon of Ermor has relieved Caelum greatly by removing Utgard as a direct threat.

I am proud to call the Ashen Empire an ally. Let Ermor rule the lands and seas of our enemies, while Caelum claims dominion over the mountaintops and skies. Those who are neutral or eventually claim friendship may share in the spoils of war.

Those opposed to these claims shall burn.

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum

[Kydorias]

Morkilus said:

Kydorias said:

Ulm refused Caelum's terms for a truce. And so they choose to burn.

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum



http://www.allhatnocattle.net/bushs%20bring%20em%20on.jpg

And so I shall "Bring it on". But the difference is great. Unlike your so-called Bush idol, you are not facing a disorganized group of disparate insurgents. You face a highly disciplined war machine.

If only the Rangers and Zweihanders of Ulm had such a decisive, resolute leader, you may actually win out in the end. Fortunately for Caelum, this is not the case.

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum

[calmon]

GameExtremist said:

Ironhawk said:
Heheheh, looks like the war in Caelum lands is raging.

And meanwhile... The Ermorian army grows out of control. Provinces, gems, research... Can we guess who is going to win this game? Ermor.




I am thinking a grand alliance must be formed against the Ermorian threat, that was my intent in sending a diplomatic envoy offering a ceasefire to Caelum (they are neighbours with Ermor - possibly even recieving aid from Ermor in the form of gold) so that they might ally with Ermor's neighbours and remove the vile undead threat, alas it was not to be. Caelum's short sigtedness means they seek a crushing defeat on the battlefield instead.

Who else shares a border with Ermor? It is time to settle your petty differences and unite against the undead threat!

Arkolaos, divine benefactor of Arcoscephale.



First you join a 3 to 1 against caelum. Now you request an all vs ermor alliance. How honorable!

I'm not even bordering you and i'm still not sure which troops you sighted in your post before. Maybe you mix-up the different undead players in late era.

[Morkilus]

Kydorias said:
I am proud to call the Ashen Empire an ally. Let Ermor rule the lands and seas of our enemies, while Caelum claims dominion over the mountaintops and skies. Those who are neutral or eventually claim friendship may share in the spoils of war.

Those opposed to these claims shall burn.

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum



The Dread Goddess Morkana speaks:

Perhaps this is where Caelum got its gold for the Troop Surge of mercenaries. I see that the feathered fiends are too weak to do their own dirty work. No matter, the mercenaries have broken like water against the rocks, and so shall any other invasion force. As unreasonable as Caelum seems, I would make the suggestion that any alliance with Ermor can only end in the death and zombification of its people. Perhaps its people, as bird-brained as they are, will one day see this and smash the false idols of "Gabrielle" before it is too late.

[Ironhawk]

Kydorias said:
I am proud to call the Ashen Empire an ally. Let Ermor rule the lands and seas of our enemies, while Caelum claims dominion over the mountaintops and skies. Those who are neutral or eventually claim friendship may share in the spoils of war.

Those opposed to these claims shall burn.

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum



Are you mad?? Have you lost all sight of the victory, Caelum?

[Kydorias]

Ironhawk said:Are you mad?? Have you lost all sight of the victory, Caelum?

Ermor provided the bastion from which I was able to brace myself against the early, furious simultaneous assault by Arco, Ulm, and Utgard. Unlike those three aggressors, I do have a sense of honor and feel bound to aid he who stood by me since the beginning dark days of this war.

And Ulm really needs to read better. I've already stated that Ermor has never directly aided Caelum except through a mutual exchange of gems. That means no gold.

And the Pretender Arkolaos might need a new set of britches. I believe I witnessed him stain his current pair this last month. I think I also heard the *ping* of a birdcage bar breaking.

By the way, Midgard isn't looking too shabby either. Don't let his forked tongue take all the attention away from his steady gain of power.

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum

[Ironhawk]

Kydorias said:
By the way, Midgard isn't looking too shabby either. Don't let his forked tongue take all the attention away from his steady gain of power.



Yes, I am King of the Beggars. Less than 50% compared to the topmost player in every useful end-game stat. Midgard FTW!!!

[Rathar]

Well, as long as the person you attack keeps doing stupid things like hit end turn after having taken a peek and stales himself well... (and thus had the turn run before he could do anything doh!)

I am so annoyed with myself, staled damn near a quarter of the game, only once preventable.. At least I can give myself a lame reason for losing.

Rathar

[Kydorias]

Ironhawk said:

Kydorias said:
By the way, Midgard isn't looking too shabby either. Don't let his forked tongue take all the attention away from his steady gain of power.



Yes, I am King of the Beggars. Less than 50% compared to the topmost player in every useful end-game stat. Midgard FTW!!!

All graphs taken together, I'd put you in 2nd or 3rd place. What I don't understand is why you insist on only possessing one fortress. A few more fortresses and you'd have much more research done, easily putting you in a solid 2nd place.

But I'm sure there's a reason for this.

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum

[Ironhawk]

Just FYI:

Ermor has the Air Queens

[GameExtremist]

Kydorias said:

Ironhawk said:Are you mad?? Have you lost all sight of the victory, Caelum?

Ermor provided the bastion from which I was able to brace myself against the early, furious simultaneous assault by Arco, Ulm, and Utgard. Unlike those three aggressors, I do have a sense of honor and feel bound to aid he who stood by me since the beginning dark days of this war.

And Ulm really needs to read better. I've already stated that Ermor has never directly aided Caelum except through a mutual exchange of gems. That means no gold.

And the Pretender Arkolaos might need a new set of britches. I believe I witnessed him stain his current pair this last month. I think I also heard the *ping* of a birdcage bar breaking.

By the way, Midgard isn't looking too shabby either. Don't let his forked tongue take all the attention away from his steady gain of power.

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum




Indeed if this is the case then we shall brace ourselves for the dead when they begin to arrive, for the Ashen Empire stands for only one thing and that is death, like a vile plague it spreads from their lands, Honour has been mentioned recently - most notably an attack on my good name, but what can the dead know about honour?

We call all nations to do what they can to halt the Ashen empires rise to power.

...and you lapdog of a liche,your recent victory was fortunate, had your Seraphs and yourself fought like honourable foes you would not have hidden behind your magical "fog". No matter we shall be better prepared for your magics , no doubt when your vile necro-loving pretender returns with more air gems.

Arkolaos, friend and protector of the living.

[Kydorias]

GameExtremist said:
...and you lapdog of a liche,your recent victory was fortunate, had your Seraphs and yourself fought like honourable foes you would not have hidden behind your magical "fog". No matter we shall be better prepared for your magics , no doubt when your vile necro-loving pretender returns with more air gems.

Arkolaos, friend and protector of the living.

Majiks which aid my forces in battle are dishonorable? I did not know that. Well in that case I shall not use any more "dishonorable" tactics. Not.

Look closely and you'll see that my Storm Generals wear red tunics. Recently one of my Raven Guard asked why. The Storm General replied that wearing a red tunic prevents his troops from seeing the blood pouring forth when the Storm General is grievously wounded.

Rumour has it that the Pretender Arkolaos wears yellow pantaloons for similar reasons.

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum

[FAJ]

C'tissians don't wear pantaloons http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

We use our majiks to make sure our robes don't open http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Rathar]

One pretender dead..

Who is next?

Rathar

[Ironhawk]

Heh. Cocky, arent you? Killing a 43hp pretender isnt too much of an accomplishment http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Tho routing me again was. My Vans are really proving to be a disappointment.

[KissBlade]

Ugh... I made a BIG mistake with my research. Curse spells that I thought I had but didn't! >_< I'm growing rusty in my old age ...

[msew]

If you are the last the turn please turn twice.

Been a lot of every one is in cept one dude and then they don't play twice and we end up waiting again for them :-(

[Morkilus]

They're probably staling, then.

[GameExtremist]

Arkolaos hears reports of a thousand strong undead army of Ermorian leigonaires approaching through the narrow sea straights of #78 soon to be in #102. His aides notice he seems rather jumpy and irritable after reading the reports.


OOC - *swats Rather with a large mullet for stalling so often, & points to IC post above - gg guys, thats going to be a tough nut to crack, It has been very challanging up against Caelum despite the IC flame war, OOC'ly it has been a lot of fun more - cheers : ) .....it ain't over yet though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[solo]

FAJ said:
People who are slow to start tend to be slow during the game as well.



An accurate prediction!

[msew]

1000+ :-( time to get spying mechanics in place to watch the carnage

[Rathar]

I have staled 3 times all while I was out of town thanks very much..

Rathar

[FAJ]

your welcome!

[Kydorias]

GameExtremist said:gg guys, thats going to be a tough nut to crack, It has been very challanging up against Caelum despite the IC flame war, OOC'ly it has been a lot of fun more - cheers : ) .....it ain't over yet though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

OOC: Yes, it has been a very fun game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Tough and challenging opponents really make this game shine.

IC: Burn in Hell Ulm and Arco.

[msew]

yeah can't wait to play this type of game again (either LA again with a modified ermor hehe) or EA or MA.

[mivayan]

IC: Oh holy harpyclaw. A lesser horror drove off our 8 trologdytes and some pd. How annoying. We'll have to add 'guard retreat ways better' into the ancients songs of strategy. These so called jotun woodsmen are clearly an affront to nature. Much prettier as pigs. But too many to change them all.

ooc: Earlier I thought my gorgon would kill tons of jotun woodsmen once it was ready, in practice not so... the times I sent it solo utgards force of flyers was with the army and she fled at 8 hp. Ah well.

Ermor using their 15 gems/turn for well of misery was pretty brilliant.

Fun game, fun to try unusual settings.

[solo]

mivayan said:
IC: Oh holy harpyclaw. A lesser horror drove off our 8 trologdytes and some pd. How annoying.

Ermor using their 15 gems/turn for well of misery was pretty brilliant.

Fun game, fun to try unusual settings.



Lesser horror was very lucky. For some reason, it did not annoy the Jotun!

Next game, special rules needed if Ermor plays! Still a fun game.

[Rathar]

special rules needed if Ermor plays! Still a fun game.

Seems to me you folks let Ermor become what they are and didn't prepare for the event. Before three nations jumped on me 5 turns ago I had 20 indy priests and I didnt even have an undead neighbor.

Shrug, I know I made mistakes in other areas!

Rathar

[KissBlade]

I had 30-40 odd priests with herald lances in the unlikely event of an Ermorian invasion across the sea. Of course, that /across/ the sea makes it rather difficult to effect Ermor too. Heh XD

[GameExtremist]

*gets home from work - cracks open a beer - checks latest turn....*

"doh"

*gnashing of teeth*

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Rathar]

Gets home from work, cracks their 10th beer,..

Is not sober enough fo4 the Gnashes teeth but realizes that 3 territories suffices..

/gnash /gnash

Rathar

[calmon]

Ermor isn't that good some of you may think. LA Ermor is primary undead hordes. Every simple mage needs gems to get it. The game settings may help ermor to get armies fast but it also helps every other nation to research counters very fast. I'm always pleased in a LA mp game when the ermor player and no other rocks the graphs because there are so many counters in late game to defeat them.

The hosting settings are more and more a problem for me. Is it possible that we go to a 48 hour qickhost? Coordinating so many undeads needs very much time. You've to make sure your armies are seeking arrow save, etc. Its really not easy!

[Kydorias]

GameExtremist said:
*gets home from work - cracks open a beer - checks latest turn....*

"doh"

*gnashing of teeth*

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

That battle should absolutely not have been that decisive. I was frankly quite surprised by the outcome. I outnumbered you but with far less quality troops.

I have two suggestions which I think would have won you victory, but I'll hold off for now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

--Gabrielle, High Avatar of Caelum

[Ironhawk]

FYI, I'm in San Francisco at the moment. Sheap is subbing for me until I return.

[KissBlade]

Sheap needs to make a turn ASAP. =\

[KissBlade]

Well, since Ermor decided to invade me, I'll throw my lot into the alliance.

I hereby call into order, the full smash of Ermor through magics. As many of you may have noticed, I am very capable in the research and most of the gem department. If nations pool together their astrals gems for my nation, I shall power a dispel /per/ turn to crush the Well and throw down the Soul Gate within the next two turns.

If you supply me with information regarding his mage locations, I shall target them with one to two Earth attacks PER turn.

If any locates provinces where he has non astral mages, I shall supply that location with mind hunts.

I am also able to trade herald lances/flambeaus/gate cleavers if provided the gems to create them. I guarantee, if our nations all joins together, we can crush the Ermorian menace off this map within 10-15 turns.

[KissBlade]

calmon said:
Ermor isn't that good some of you may think. LA Ermor is primary undead hordes. Every simple mage needs gems to get it. The game settings may help ermor to get armies fast but it also helps every other nation to research counters very fast. I'm always pleased in a LA mp game when the ermor player and no other rocks the graphs because there are so many counters in late game to defeat them.



Eh, I find the map situation better for Ermor though. It's rather hard to attack you without mass sailboating since there's a lot of water on this /wraparound/ map, which conveniently enough seperates my land forces from yours while allowing you to pretty much control the water ways since we have no water nation. =(

[Morkilus]

You still working on that Well of Misery, KB?

[KissBlade]

Notice it recasted -.-.

[GameExtremist]

Does this mean Patala's declaration of war extend to Caelum who have made it clear that they are Ermor's staunch ally?

Even now the three undead legions rage through my lands working in concert with the Caelian Army which lays seige to my capital.

I also call on Pangaea and Utgard too come to a ceasefire agreement, the two of your nations are in a splendid position to carve up the lands of Ermor and Caelum, as your nations currently weaken each other by fighting, who do you think will win in the end? Neither of you....one will fall but the other shall be so weak that the unholy Ermor alliance shall swoop in for easy pickings....

I also call on C'tis, Vanheim and Abyssia to lend whatever aid they can, I can offer plenty of targets should you wish to strike at the Unholy alliance remotely.

Arkolaos. Commander of the free living armies of Arcoscephale.

[KissBlade]

IF all nations do not set aside their differences and stand against Ermor, there is no question that he will win the game. Even though I hold an alliance with Vanheim and Abysia against him, he has impunity to roam the water ways as we have no way to traverse our forces across it. So far, I can only hold against him with my land forces but our nations are separated by the waters. Though my research speed is high, it will be still some time before I'm able to bring Thetis Blessing into play to allow our nations to counter attack against Ermor. Meanwhile his gem count and army growth is going unchecked ...

Lastly, I require all allying nations to send me at least 5-10 astral gems per global that ermor casts so I can toss a dispel to counter them.

[FAJ]

I figured Abysia would kill me before Ermor got the chance to, but it appears as though he may get me after all.

Anything C'tis can do against Ermor in battle? is wither bones worth it? I only have maybe 15-20 casters who can use it.

[msew]

Ahh so ermor is making its move!

[Morkilus]

Noooo! Just when I was about to... make some vampires...

Ulm sucks.

[GameExtremist]

Actually, having seen the makeup of the Ermor armies (3 I think) that are rampaging through my lands, I can say that they arn't that impressive....only the numbers are impressive.

Caelum's main force on the other hand is a lot more of a handful to deal with.

I believe Kissblade when he says when we can win this.....I emphasize "we" .

[msew]

Midgard just *** raped the ermor army which looked to be trying to attack the Argatha VP.

Which other VPs are under attack?

[calmon]

1000 undeads, an once great ermorian army were going into the dust it was created from.

In the depth of Shark's Maw they waited for the air queen Nephele which should bring the order to attack the sieging army of Midgard in Dry Reach. The meeting was short and interrupted. Out of nowhere a mighty pretender appeared. The Destroyer of Worlds KissBlade equipped with mighty unique items attacked our army.

After a longer fight the most of our etheral front units and our valueable cavalery was slain.
Our airqueen Nephele which was in the back of the army felt by a mysterious lifeloss. After we lose a third of our army the Destroyer of Worlds fled.

However the rest of our army has the order to attack the sieging army and orders have to be obey. So 600-700 souls and souless raise out of the seas and storm the camps of midgard in Dry Reach. Without the sacred cavalry and the ghost frontline it was a massacre. At the end of the day our army was history and midgard lost not even 100 vans, huskarls and barbarians. But several of the melees fled in fear.

We don't have an information what happened after this battle. We can only speculate that the remaing midgard forces tried to storm the castle and got a bloody nose. Anyway Dry Reach is controlled by Argatha again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I'm not sure why the air queen died. Maybe her own mistform or the soul vortex was responsible. However she was never adjacent to kissblades pretender and always behind my army so soul vortex shouldn't damage her.

[Rathar]

I wish I was able to do as well in expanding, diplomacy and the other components of Dom3 as I am doing with keeping my capital.. And only my capital..

Btw Midgaard hasn't stormed my capital in 8 or so turns, We keep throwing them out.

Rathar

[KissBlade]

Ermor would do well to realize that is only the tip of the ice berg, Patala will lead the crusade against the unholy nation for it's attack. If other nations will stand with me, I shall crush Ermor beneath my heel.

[solo]

I think you meant heel. If you heal him, you'll help him.

[KissBlade]

Nah, he's undead. =)

Oh crap, is he going for a VP grab btw??

[KissBlade]

I need astral gems to throw down the burden of time, Once I get 40 in total from other nations, I will match it with my own and dispel the global.

[Ironhawk]

Rathar said:
I wish I was able to do as well in expanding, diplomacy and the other components of Dom3 as I am doing with keeping my capital.. And only my capital..

Btw Midgaard hasn't stormed my capital in 8 or so turns, We keep throwing them out.

Rathar



Hahahah, yeah. My tactics this game have been HORRIBLE. Just plain horrible. Tho honestly im not sure how you won that last battle, Rathar. My vans were only up against skellies, of whom they should kill at least 3/turn per van. Since there was only a handful in your backfield they should have quickly overrun them and your mages but somehow failed to do so?

Anyway, it appears that our war is over as I must return home to defend my lands from the undead menace. You fought really well tho. To my amazement I couldnt beat you in the field and had to settle for beating you by economy. Not really what I wanted to do but you left me few options which speaks to your abilities.

[GameExtremist]

KissBlade said:
I need astral gems to throw down the burden of time, Once I get 40 in total from other nations, I will match it with my own and dispel the global.



No Astrals to give sorry, will possibly lose my capital province to Caelum in the next turn. Meanwhile I've only a handful of provinces left. I believe Ulm's capital is also under siege by Ermor too?

Once Caelum and Ermor have us out of the game - C'tis would be an easy kill for either of them.

Pangaea and Utgard really need to have a ceasefire and attack Ermor and Caelum.

Will give a bitter fight to the end!!!

Arkolaos

[KissBlade]

Sorry guys, I should've got moving against Ermor earlier. =)