mid_Unlucky game on Gandalfs server (started)

[Gandalf Parker]

ERA 1 (early age) game on a 200 province map (15/player)
map image (http://game.dom3minions.com/games/mid_Unlucky/mid_Maze.jpg)

Quick Turns: on
Turn Timeout: 24 hours
rename: on
mods: none
independents strength: 5
Hall of Fame: 15
Magic Sites: 65
Master Password: xxxxxxx
automated backups: on
full web dir: game.dom3minions.com/games/mid_Unlucky
will contain rolling stats file and rolling scores.html amoung other things
Max Players: 13
no client start (but it will auto-start at 13 signups)

server: game.dom3minions.com
server IP: 63.199.8.157
game port: 9876

The last mid-sized game on my server ran for 91 turns. The "Turn Timeout" setting can be changed during the game if the players agree to it.

When you join please mention here what variable you would accept other than 13 players. What is the number of players you would accept for starting the game if it goes to Friday without 13 signups? If only 5 people have joined then would you prefer starting (40 provinces per player?) or continue waiting for more players.

edited: new check page for mid-sized games
http://game.dom3minions.com/bin/mids_chk.cgi

Gandalf Parker

[jimkehn]

Joined as Abysia. Everything else looks ok to me. Are graphs on or off?

[Gandalf Parker]

in-game graphs are on.
And the games scores will be public, kindof like this..
http://www.dom3minions.com/games/mapAI-f_scores.html

[jimkehn]

OK, cool. Anxious to get started.

[UninspiredName]

I'm for Agartha, and six or more players is fine by me.

[thraveboy]

Joined as Lanka. Any number is fine with me.

[jutetrea]

Joined as T'ien Chi. I've only played PBEM so far so a couple of questions:

How do I know when the game starts? This thread?
What are quick turns? I'm assuming if everyone finishes their turn it advances?
How do I know when a new turn is ready? Just keep checking or notification on this thread?

edit: even 7+ players is fine.

Looking forward to it

[Gandalf Parker]

There is a utility on the stickied tools thread which can check servers without you having to keep bringing up Dominions.

But some servers also have check pages. Here is a new one for mid-sized games on my server.
http://game.dom3minions.com/bin/mids_chk.cgi

If you want to see what it looks like when turns are up then check the blitz page
http://game.dom3minions.com/bin/blitz_chk.cgi

You are right on quick turns. The game will host every 24 hours, or instantly if everyone turns in their turns. The last person turning in a turn can usually wait a couple minutes and do another one right away.

[Saint_Dude]

I am in as Niefelheim.

I would prefer to play with as many other players as possible. If we play with a small number of players on a map with 40 prov/player, I would suggest increasing the strength of the independents to 7 or 8.

[CyborgMoses]

Well, I have signed up as Atlantis, and I would be fine with fewer players; the folks who sign up at the last minute are usually also the people who constantly slow down the game once it's started.

[BandarLover]

Why? Why can I not stay away from monkeys!! I'm in as Kailasa. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

And I'm with Saint_dude. If less people, a bump in indies would be nice.

Fewer players does atleast allow for some breathing room and actual kingdom conflicts when players start to find eachother.

[jimkehn]

BandarLover.....Maybe same reason I seem to be Abysia????


Maybe I like the names of their leaders!!!

[vfb]

I'll give Mictlan a try.

[LoloMo]

I'm in as C'tis.

[Eressil3]

I'm in as Yomi.

[jutetrea]

Any chance of including the worthy heroes mod?

[Gandalf Parker]

Some fun mods like that, including some of my own such as Chaos or SingleAge, might be included in games on my server at a later date. But not yet.

[Blofeld]

Hello. I'm in as Ermor

[jimkehn]

Thanks Gandalf. I don't necessarily like mods.

[Kojusoki]

OK, Im in as Icy Hellheim http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Blofeld]

OK, we've got 13 players but I can't connect to the server

[CyborgMoses]

Crud, I made some last-minute changes to my god and went to upload it, but it looks like the game's not there anymore. I'm getting no response from the server and the tracker page Gandalf so kindly set up shows nothing.

[jimkehn]

I can't log in either

[Gandalf Parker]

Oops. my fault. Thats what I get for messing with the map right up to the last minute. It should be generating now.

[jimkehn]

Thanks, that helped. Abysian turn complete.

[Gandalf Parker]

CyborgMoses said:
Well, I have signed up as Atlantis, and I would be fine with fewer players; the folks who sign up at the last minute are usually also the people who constantly slow down the game once it's started.


Thats part of why I posted on Monday and planned to start if Friday even if we didnt have enough. No offense to the weekend crowd but I wanted to catch the people who spent abit more time here than just weekend surfers.

[Kojusoki]

thanx CyborgMoses http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Gandalf Parker]

A slight change to the chk page. It now shows the time left before hosting.
http://game.dom3minions.com/bin/mids_chk.cgi

Also in the games web directory is a windows link.
http://game.dom3minions.com/games/mid_Unlucky
mid_Unlucky.lnk
(or gamebutton.zip if you need it zipped to download it)
If you put that on your desktop then clicking it should take you directly into the mid_Unlucky game. If you play multiple online dom3 games then this will save you having to put in the server and port each time.

You can also copy it, and paste it again to your desktop. Then right-click it and go to "properties" to edit it to your other games. I think Ive had as many as 5 of these on my desktop at a time.

[Blofeld]

And waaaiting for Agartha. Uninspiredname, where are you?

[Blofeld]

Server seems to be down

[Blofeld]

OK, I was able to connect

[vfb]

The Nation of Mictlan proudly announces an addition of six pachyderms to its city zoo! However, due to the enormous appetites of these gentle giants, we are having difficulty balancing our budgets this season.

If you are in the market for 10 fine Water gems, on a cash basis, then PM vfb and make an offer! Offers to trade Earth gems, Fire gems, or Astral Pearls for Water gems would also be appreciated. Please be aware that due to excessive celebrations at the opening ceremonies, we currently do not have any virgins available to sell or trade.

-- The Prophet of Mictlan

[Saint_Dude]

The way this game is shaping up, it appears that many players are playing their turns within the first couple hrs of the turn clock, while a few others are playing very near the end of the clock. Of course that is the way these games go - very normal.

I would like to make a suggestion though. It would be nice if the last person to turn in their turn, ran 2 turns a once. That way the game would not always be hanging up on the same person/people, and it would tend to move a bit faster. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Simultaneous turns later in the game could be a bit cumbersome. But at this early stage, turns are likely to only take a couple of minutes.

[jutetrea]

Part of that was my fault, apologies. Boston beat the yanks last night and I was in a forgetful haze of euphoria. (Plus the wife has guests staying over, so distractions abound) I shall be more attentive in the future!

Someone (not I!) needs to develop a taskbar app that monitors turn basis, red for no turn, green for go. Have it check 1/hr or whatever and be a pie chart with segments = nations, nations that have taken a turn go green and when full new turn. I almost wish I could code...anything.

[Saint_Dude]

Wasn't really trying to point the finger at anyone in particular. Just tying to think of how we can move things along a bit more.

I like Jutetrea's idea of a taskbar app. Thought I read about something like that in one of the other threads?

[Gandalf Parker]

There is an app in the tools stickied post over in the Dom3 map/mod subforum

The chk page does tell you if your turn is ready. And most browsers have a way to refresh it on a regular basis.

Some people actually wait to be last so they can do two turns in a row. Sometimes its handy. Im still going to iron out that "musical chairs" game version (last person to do their turn always stales)

If someone really wants it, they can pm me an email address and I will have the game send an email when it hosts. Thats part of what the post-exec command switch is for. Ive also looked into IM, IRC, text messaging, and voice mails.. but lets hold it to emails for now.

[Arghaii]

Snif, the title of the game has is blahblah ( OPEN) which is not the truth http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

I was dissapointed when I tried to join http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[CyborgMoses]

Oh, apparently that isn't the way to fight Aboleths. My mistake. (It still sucks that everyone involved in the battle fled... EXCEPT for the enemy prophet.)

[vfb]

It seems that Mictlan's announcement of our willingness to trade some magic gems was a bad idea. We unfortunately attracted the attention of a Master Thief, who proceeded to clean us right out. We regret that we will be unable to complete any of our pending trades.

-- The Prophet of Mictlan

OOC: Grrr, Luck 3 has really been letting me down in MP.

[BandarLover]

Arghaii said:
Snif, the title of the game has is blahblah ( OPEN) which is not the truth http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

I was dissapointed when I tried to join http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif




True, maybe the post should be changed to started instead of open.

[Gandalf Parker]

Sorry about that. My fault. I have now changed it to (started)

Now if you guys check the directory you will see some of the advantage of a webdir for each game.
http://game.dom3minions.com/games/mid_Unlucky/
I will maintain rotating copies of scores and stats.

And so far I have only received one request for email on turn. PM me or email me at dom3minions.com if you want notification when the turn processes.

Otherwise you can keep an eye on the check page at
http://game.dom3minions.com/bin/mids_chk.cgi
A red asterisk means we dont have a turn from you yet. And the check page now lists the countdown timer also.

Gandalf Parker

[BandarLover]

I personally like the check page myself.

[UninspiredName]

Yeeeah, the delay was also sort of my fault for two of the turns... Really sorry... I'll be good from now on.

[jutetrea]

Out of town for 3 days, will possibly be able to play late evenings..but highly doubtful. Is it possible to auto stale me if I don't play by 12pm EST?

[Saint_Dude]

Three consecutive stale turns would be highly damaging. Any way we can find a sub?

[jutetrea]

Agreed, but plans were made late and I don't really have someone available. Leaving for the airport in 5 hours, won't have internet access till about 8pm EST tomorrow... and that depends on the hotel. I'll bring my disk with me and try to install on the work laptop, pretty sure it will work - if it does, and I have access, I should be able to sneak time to do turns.

[Saint_Dude]

Make sure to write down the CD key. Otherwise the disk isn't much good (personal experience). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Eressil3]

Does Atlantis got a stale turn ?

[Saint_Dude]

Guess so.

Atlantis looks to be in rough position. But then again, so are us giants. What the heck is to be done with the rapidly expanding plague that is Ermor?

[Gandalf Parker]

Eressil3 said:
Does Atlantis got a stale turn ?


http://game.dom3minions.com/games/mid_Unlucky/

Check the stats.txt
I think I have it setup to rotate the stats for 5 times. So you can easily check and see if someone has staled multiple times. (stats.txt and 1.stats.txt are the same turn. I should work on that)

[Saint_Dude]

O.K. Atlantis did not stale.

Ermor is still a plague though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Foodstamp]

CyborgMoses said:
Well, I have signed up as Atlantis, and I would be fine with fewer players; the folks who sign up at the last minute are usually also the people who constantly slow down the game once it's started.



Irony strikes again.

[vfb]

stats.txt: Atlantis didn't play this turn

That means they staled. But I'm sure it wasn't intentional, since CyborgMoses did post that he was worried about people slowing down this game. I dunno, maybe something came up IRL. Happens to everyone sometimes!

Back in character: Helheim, would you kindly please hire some mages to do some research for you. You are making the nation of Mictlan extremely nervous.

-- Ministry of Education, Nation of Mictlan

[Foodstamp]

Aye, probably is an unexpected real life issue, but it is still ironic anyway! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Kojusoki]

vfb - you got email;)

[Saint_Dude]

It looks Atlantis is going to stale again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

I am not sure about reading those stats files (not sure if the file numbers correspond to turn numbers). But it looks like Atlantis has already staled several turns.

I realize that real life can intercede, but all these early stales are more than just slowing down the game, they are dooming Atlantis' chances (unless Cyborgmoses has some bloody brilliant stratagems up his sleeve). Perhaps (groan) it would be a good idea to switch Atlantis to AI if this turn is also stale?

[Saint_Dude]

Who is playing R'lyeh by the way?

[Foodstamp]

Saint_Dude said:
Who is playing R'lyeh by the way?



I R

[vfb]

Saint_Dude said:
Perhaps (groan) it would be a good idea to switch Atlantis to AI if this turn is also stale?



I second the motion. Looks like irony triumphs over real life once again.

[Foodstamp]

I may eliminate him next turn. I would suggest setting Atlantis to AI either way because he has been in an impossible position in our war since about turn 5. I don't think a substitute or a new player will change the inevitable and it should speed up the next few turns.

[CyborgMoses]

I am really sorry for the delays of the last few days; my internet service, which is sketchy at best, completely cut out for a full three days. It just started working enough for me to post about how much Comcast sucks and run a set of turns, but I would suggest finding a substitute to take over my position, as I don't know how long this respite will last. Again, my sincere apologies for the inconvenience.

PS: plz 2 be laughing @ me now, I sur am

[vfb]

PMed to Gandalf: Since Atlantis is dead in the water (sorry ha ha bad joke) in any case, could you please just AI Atlantis in mid_Unlucky.

[Gandalf Parker]

OK its done.

[jutetrea]

Back from traveling... wasn't able to install on my work laptop, but could remote desktop to my home PC. Unfortunately my laptop has a hamster wheel in regards to video power so it was like playing in molasses. Click...wait for it to redraw, click...wait for it to redraw, etc.

What is the address for the public scores for this game? a la "in-game graphs are on.
And the games scores will be public, kindof like this..
http://www.dom3minions.com/games/mapAI-f_scores.html" (http://www.dom3minions.com/games/mapAI-f_scores.html)

What's up with Ermor? Seems like he has rapidly gained major momentum.. anyone else worried by this?

Also, Gandalf - any chance of editing the first post to include a list of players and their nations?

[Saint_Dude]

The game score/stats can be found at:
http://game.dom3minions.com/games/mid_Unlucky/

And Yes, Ermor is starting to look like a nasty beast - expanding rapidly with an active pretender. Ermor now has a big income, a big army, and is on cruise control. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

[vfb]

Nation of Mictlan admits it is a Techmologically Deficient nation. We are insanely jealous of our Lanka brethren, who seem much smarter then us, and have done Dangerous Levels of research. Whereas Mictlan still has not figured out what is 99999999999999 times 99999999998999.99999tententenhundredhundredhundred . We must be the true masters of blood!

We hereby declare war on the Lanka nation, who is now at our border. We will immediately begin commencing defensive manoeuvers in Lanka territory to disrupt any further Lanka scholarly visits to libraries, museums, colleges, or universities.

[jimkehn]

Whereas: Remembering the wars of our Fathers, when the unholy Primate Beasts ridden with fleas took our northwestern lands.

Whereas: The Primate beasts have been given unnatural intellect by an unknown power from the pit of darkness.

Whereas: Lucifer's Apes are a plague upon the earth and need to be exterminated as one would exterminate cockroaches in one's cupboard.

Abysia hereby declares war on the scourge known as Lanka.

(damn....I hope this works....)

8^)

[thraveboy]

The fair people of Lanka have shown no hostility toward their border brothers and sisters, and wish no harm to them over the next year. We have been attacked when these nations could have expanded in unclaimed lands as we have in order to avoid provoking those of the lands around us.

What has been said is the fair plea.

Also, let it be known that the people of Lanka have many, many alliances with those that do not share our borders but do share borders with those around us. These that we have alliances with are in no threat of colliding with our forces for many years when the pack has been thinned.

So, you have a choice. To leave us alone and join with the strong and many, or.....

[vfb]

The Nation of Mictlan admits to feeling guilty about attacking Lanka unprovoked. But while Lanka was busy concentrating on improving their research, our nation has been pursuing more martial avenues of development. It is not the fault of Mictlan that Lanka's army is weak.

The Prophet of Mictlan has consulted our God. He responded this way:

"Is it good blood sport when Centeotl brings Metzlti to fight together against Nanauatzin in the arena? When 100 fight against 50, then the blood of 50 will be spilt. But when 50 men of Centeotl fight 50 men of Nanauatzin, the blood of 100 may be spilt in a glorious and fair battle."

We are chastened by this parable. And we also look to the justice shown earlier to Mictlan, by the honorable nation of Helheim.

Mictlan will keep the single province of the Were Wood as a lesson to Lanka to keep its army as well maintained as its schools. Other than that Mictlan will commit no further aggressive acts against Lanka without just cause.

If Lanka disputes the strength of our armies, then we urge them to come meet us in Were Wood this month on the glorious field of battle. We are positive Lanka will be completely destroyed. As we write, both army groups of Mictlan converge on Were Wood.

Mictlan has no control over the actions of the nation of Abysia. But if Lanka chooses to fight Mictlan in Were Wood, and Abysia takes unbloodsportsmanlike advantage of the destruction of Lanka's army, then Mictlan will march North on Abysia in pursuit of greater blood sport!

If Abysia wishes to continue its war on Lanka on even terms, that is not our concern. And if Lanka makes peace with Abysia, and sends their army to die in our fields, we will build a great temple in honor of the courage of their dead warriors.

Signed in Blood,

Zotz, Prophet of Mictlan

(ooc Edit: Added the bit about no further unprovoked attacks on Lanka, since Zotz was kind of silly not to be clearer about that.)

[jimkehn]

The common ancestry that binds the hearts of Mictlan and Abysia, along with a common faith that dates back millenia has stricken the hearts of Abysians as well. Through messengers of lands with evil intent, Abysia was deceived into thinking Lanka had ill will at heart. Now it grieves the souls of the Lords of Abysia, that we raised hand against the peace loving neighbor that is Lanka. Abysia admits that it moved with far too much haste against his friend, and repents of this deed. Abysia offers its hand in peace, and as a token of good faith hath sent a gift of no small measure to the Lords of Lanka. In addition, Abysia concedes the northern passage provinces of Bergamum (196) and Pivotal (192) to allow Lanka's needed expansion east. Abysia further declares she will vacate the Great Plains without plunder, without pillage and without demanding tribute, having raised no militia. In addition, Abysia declares, if Lanka accepts, a pact of mutual defense. Whosoever attacks Lanka has attacked Abysia.

Let the world witness this day the ammends Abysia makes to Lanka. Let the world witness this day the contrite spirit and penitence of a nation who wrongfully believed the lies of others that hurt the innocent. Let the world judge who's heart is true. Abysia will not war with Lanka in future days, save Lanka be the first to attack. Let the world judge who shall be upright.


So say we all.

[thraveboy]

The Kings of Lanka bow to the peaceful gestures of Michtlan and Abysia and accept theirs pacts.

At the session of the large alliance, all of the nations have also agreed to accept the terms that Michtlan and Abysia have put forth, even though three nations thought that the actions against us were unjust. We have convinced them all that we are happy with the gestures that were made in the name of peace.

[jimkehn]

Abysia agrees that her actions were without cause. Save the mailicious rumors spread to put enmity between Lanka and Abysia. Let our hearts be true. Let us endeavor to right the wrongs caused by the true oppressors of the world. Let us go forth and make war with those who would spread bile and hate, and rid the world of their evildoing and whoremongering. (wait....sometimes whore mongering aint that bad!!).

[vfb]

When the council of Mictlan saw that Abysia had offered peace to Lanka, a burden of guilt was lifted. Our warriors could engage in glorious battle with a free conscience, knowing that at least the balance of Nations was fairly matched, even if our armies were not!

However, Lanka has accepted our offer of peace, on the terms we proposed, so peace it will be.

We have no choice but to entertain Necocyaotl with some circus clowns, instead of the blood sport he prefers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif Gulp http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

[vfb]

Mictlan desires a trade. We are quite interested in obtaining a Dwarven hammer. In return for this level 2 item, we will negotiate to supply you with a level 4 item, excluding items that need earth to be crafted. And if you have a Dwarven hammer to trade but are not interested in items, we are certainly open to any other trade you may suggest.

Reply in confidence using a PM to vfb.

[jutetrea]

who is Ryleh?

[Foodstamp]

I am

[jutetrea]

Think theres any chance of getting two more full turns in today? Maybe have everyone try to take turns between 8PM EST and 11PM EST?

Know it probably won't happen, but why not ask http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Seems we're about half done for this one.

[UninspiredName]

I can't seem to connect to the game, so two today is sort of unlikely unless it get worked out. Sorry...

[jutetrea]

I had initial problems as well, might take a couple tries to get in. Just connected though so it should be up

[Foodstamp]

I can't connect, I will try again a bit later. I think it is just me and one more person holding the game up.

[jutetrea]

Weird, having any other internet issues? (probably not since you've posted http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif)

Just connected again, think you're the only one left foodstamp

[vfb]

I cannot connect the first time I try to get in either. But if I try to connect, close the window, then try to connect again, it works.

[jutetrea]

72 hr till next turn on the status page?

[vfb]

Gandalf restarted the server, and the problems connecting are gone (for me at least). He may have decided to increase the timeout to avoid unfairly staling Foodstamp.

[Gandalf Parker]

ARGH
I used an old script to restart the game. The 72 hours was in there. Your call, leave it or switch it back?

[jutetrea]

I vote switch it back

[Saint_Dude]

I vote for switching it back. I hope is not too much trouble though.

[Foodstamp]

I can connect now, I will get my turn done asap

[BandarLover]

72 hrs. a little long right now. I vote for back as well.

[Foodstamp]

My turn is in, I apology for the delay. Resetting the server seemed to make it where I could connect.

[Foodstamp]

FFS, can't connect again. I hope this is due to Gandalf switching the server back and not an issue that I am going to encounter all game QQ

[jutetrea]

Turn done - kind of like crack, just want more http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

That sucks foodstamp, got a router? Done the whole reset/reboot thing? I wonder if it would help to port forward to your PC if you have a router and other machines.

[jimkehn]

I had trouble too. But I connected ok when I used the lnk file Gandalf provided at the website. I haven't rebooted the router. I know that will do weird things. One time it wouldn't let me on my aol mail. I could do everything else online.....just not aol. I chatted with an aol techie too. Then I thought just for the helluvit, I rebooted the router and the problem was gone. I may try that later.

[jutetrea]

Tried and true method of any techy geek, reboot everything, then diagnose http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif (some rarer instances this gets you even more problems, but the symptoms are generally major enough to avoid it)

[LoloMo]

It seems to me that I can't connect the first time, but then connects easily if I close the game (I had it in windowed mode) and reconnect. This has happened the last 4 times I tried. Always the first time hangs but the second attempt immediately afterwards gets through.

[vfb]

Same here LoloMo, that's what works for me. I can't actually close the first window either, I have to kill the process. But then it always connects the second time.

[thraveboy]

I also vote for a 24 hr cycle. Looks like most people are getting a turn done very quickly and then we're usually waiting for one person.

[Gandalf Parker]

I cant think of anything I changed at my end to cause a problem. Other than that 72 hour thing. I will fix that now

[Foodstamp]

It is working again. I have narrowed the issue down as a problem occurring somewhere along the line between my mouse and your server. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[BandarLover]

Now I can't get in. It is connecting to the server fine, I'm getting hung up on the 'Getting Game Info' part. And by hung up I mean can't Alt-Tab or Ctrl-Alt-Del out unless I reboot my comp.

[llamabeast]

That's the part I've often had it stuck on as well. Running the game in windowed mode makes it less serious when it dies, you can just open another window. If you End Process from Alt-Ctrl-Delete on the first one it will go away eventually.

Um, hello everyone by the way. I'll be back on my way now...

[Saint_Dude]

Like many of you, I have experienced the game locking up during the 'Getting Game Info' stage. However, I run the game in windowed mode, so it has never caused any serious problem. I can easily terminate the game process, re-open the game, and reconnect to the server (the second time is always fine).

That said, I just did my turn and didn't notice any problem at all.

[Foodstamp]

This issue is not a huge deal, as long as I am able to squeeze my turns in before the deadline. The only thing that really annoys me about it is the fact that when my game hangs up like that, it is a PITA to try to exit out, it takes it a few minutes to close out on my computer, and sometimes I have to listen to a tiny piece of the song loop, so I have to shut my sound off.

[Gandalf Parker]

OK this might be at my end. Some traceroutes are showing me some very strange numbers. Not exactly at my end but up the line of my providor (sbcglobal.net)
Thinks like this usually shake out after awhile

[vfb]

Thanks for looking into the problem, Gandalf.

[BandarLover]

Works fine for me now.

Have I thanked you lately for the servors, Gandalf? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[jutetrea]

Are you guys using the IP or game.dom3minions.com? Just wondering if its a routing issue the DNS dodges. I've been using the shortcut from the web dir and have had no problems.

(other than the game crashing if i use the -fawcd tag, which I had to remove)

[Saint_Dude]

I have been using the game.dom3minions.com shortcut. I have not had significant problems, but the game did hang up for me on a couple turns (when the turn clock was switched to 72 hrs). Now that Gandalf has moved back to the 24 hr turn clock, the problem has been resolved from my reference point.

[Eressil3]

Stuck in the "waiting for game info" too. I tried with the IP and game.dom3minions.com.

[jimkehn]

I'm stuck right now. Using the other computer to post this.

[Eressil3]

C'tis, Atlantis and Abysia played their turns...

May be I'm just unlucky in my attempts to connect to the server !!! This game deserves well his name http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Please Gandalf name the next game :"ImsoluckyIjustwonwithoutfighting" !!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[LoloMo]

I tried 4 times I think before I got it. Yomi was last online before it ran the new turn. Maybe someone got the beta version 3.07 on their system?

[Eressil3]

I managed to enter the server.

[jimkehn]

Using windowed mode and "X'ing" out of it when it hangs, then going in a second time has been working for me. But, it is a pita to have to do that.

[Kojusoki]

New patch has come - what is the situation on server? Is it already patched?

[BandarLover]

My question too. I've already, in my haste, installed new patch. Now I'm afraid to connect to my games for fear I may screw something up. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[jutetrea]

I'm assuming that no-one else can connect as well?

[Foodstamp]

I am scared to. I want to get word from Gandalf on what version to use http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[vfb]

I connected and downloaded the turn file, then exited immediately. It took me a few attempts to connect.

Can we go back to a 72 hour clock on this game while we are waiting for the 308 patch updates to be sorted out?

Edit: On another note:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif The Nation of Mictlan tires of wasting the blood of our virgins, protecting our nation from the misfortune that oozes from the dominion of the False God of Lanka. We hereby declare open war on Lanka. Friends of Mictlan in the North, we would not presume to acquire an unjust share of provinces from the monkey demons. Mictlan marches to engage Lanka's army on the glorious fields of battle. The weak Lankan colonies are up for grabs.

-- Zotz, Prophet of Mictlan

[thraveboy]

Dear Nations of the World..

Currently, the humble nation of Lanka has an alliance with six other nations and wishes to find one more to create the majority alliance in the land.

The people of Lanka have been a peaceful nation with very few borders and have never initiated war with any other nation. We ask for you support against the Mictlan invaders as they attempt to breach our borders. They will be weak in the Southern and Eastern borders that they leave unguarded as they initiate an attack to their North on our peaceful nation.

Any nation who joins us in the fight against Mictlan and attacks their weak borders will have our bond in blood with us for many years and we will split all of the treasures that we gain from the vanquishing of the Michtlan forces. We have many nations that can vouch for the generosity of the Lankan Nobles.

Please call out your bond with us and know that we are the more trustworthy ally.

Our counsels have said that they would especially honor the great nations of Helheim and C'tis to make our pact a supermajority.

[vfb]

Ah, this must be the "dangerous super-alliance" the Niefel Giants warned Mictlan about. But are they not included in this alliance themselves?

Pray tell, whom have the great Lanka allied themselves with? Do you know what happened to the previous group of nations who joined forces with Niefel against Ermor, only to find themselves betrayed? Your other friend, C'Tis appears hard pressed to hold on to the provinces they rule, and is fleeing into independent lands. We would welcome them to hasten their own destruction by entering into the lands of Mictlan.

Mictlan counts four nations among Niefel, Ermor, C'Tis, and Lanka. Who are the other three in your unholy cabal, since you claim six allies? Or is it that Niefel, Ermor, and C'Tis are so big compared to Lanka that you count each of them twice?

Know that the free nations of this Unlucky world are honorable, fair and noble! Lanka's weak attempts at bribery will not succeed.

OOC: Anyone know if we're going to be able to submit a turn, and what version to use?

[Eressil3]

- I've just completed my research in the conjuration's school at level 9. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif
- All my mages are well equipped with all kind of magic boosting items. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/beerglass.gif
- They're all in communion together and spend all my gems in a desperate attempt to summon a legendary creature : I name Gandalf Parker ! /threads/images/Graemlins/icon40.gif

Please tell us what is the state of the server ! What should we do ? Play our turn with 3.06 or 3.08 ?

[llamabeast]

My suggestion: Play with 3.06. That's the standard thing to do at this stage, and it can't break the server. In fact, keep playing with 3.06 until the server sends you a turn that you can't open using 3.06 - at which point you know you have to upgrade.

Actually I've been thinking quite hard about this stuff in trying to sort out my own server, so I'm pretty certain that's the correct thing to do.

[jimkehn]

It's too late...I already patched up and didn't make a copy. I think there are others in this boat as well. I will either have to wait until the server updates to 3.08 or go AI. And with the trouble I am having logging on, I may have to go AI.

8^(

[Blofeld]

Ermor had no contacts with Lanka nor Mictlan. We'd rather nobody implied that Ermor is in alliance with either of them.

[LoloMo]

C'tis has no contacts with Lanka or Mictlan either.

[vfb]

Mictlan sends its apologies to Ermor and C'tis. The slippery chatter of the Lankan monkey demons deceived us into believing that you were allied with them. Would Lanka's allies please identify themselves to Mictlan, for we have a great store of toads we would like to rain down on you. The Lankan monkey demons would only enjoy it, so we won't give them the pleasure.

OOC: I'll submit this turn with 3.06 if I don't hear from Gandalf.

[vfb]

llamabeast said:
My suggestion: Play with 3.06. That's the standard thing to do at this stage, and it can't break the server. In fact, keep playing with 3.06 until the server sends you a turn that you can't open using 3.06 - at which point you know you have to upgrade.

Actually I've been thinking quite hard about this stuff in trying to sort out my own server, so I'm pretty certain that's the correct thing to do.



It's possible to have both 306 and 308 working together on linux:

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=517876

[Saint_Dude]

What is this chatter about Niefel being allied with the monkeys? It is insulting. We have we have not had any contact with Lanka, and in fact have been warning Mictlan about Lanka's claims of a super alliance.

We are very interested to find out if this super alliance is in fact a reality or merely a smoke screen put up by the monkeys to deter aggressors. If real, it poses a significant long term threat to all the other non-allied nations and steps must be taken to counter that aggregation of power.

We hereby declare: Assuming that there are indeed other nations allied with the Lanka, but they too cowardly to come forth and admit their devious agreements. We fully support Mictlan's efforts to wipe this earth clean of the monkey filth. Any nation that intercedes on Lanka's behalf in this struggle will be considered to be part of the hidden super alliance, and will find themselves the enemy of Niefel (and hopefully many other conscientious non aligned nations).

[vfb]

So Mictlan has been tricked by the demon Lanka monkeys, not once, not twice, but four times! Oh, woe be use dwellers of the forests with our fierce animals, but limited understandings of techmologies and diplomatics.

Mictlan sends our sincere apologies to Niefelheim too, for believing them to be part of a conspiracy commanded from Lanka headquarters.

-- Zotz, Prophet of Mictlan.

OOC: Just in case you haven't yet noticed, Gandalf has updated his servers to 308. Yay! Thanks Gandalf. The connection problems seem to have gone away too. Yay again!

[Saint_Dude]

Some strange incongruities with the version change.

The Niefel giants just had a major battle with the Agarthans. In the battle replay we defeated the large province defense and killed 13/14 enemy units and 10/12 enemy leaders; at the same time we lost a handful of units and no leaders (and did not experience any afflictions to any of our leaders).

However, the battle stats presented in the messages box indicates that we killed 14/14 enemy units along with 7/12 enemy leaders, and conversely we lost a leader of our own. When I look at the army that is left over, it looks as though we did indeed lose a leader, and that one of our leaders picked up an affliction that he did not have in the last turn of the battle replay.

I rather prefer the battle replay version of events. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I am thinking that the turn was generated prior to the patch (using 3.06 rules), but that the battle replay incorporates the patch and the new rules (blade wind is less effective with the patch). Should have waited a turn before picking that particular fight. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Foodstamp]

I hope the super alliance is a joke. If not why don't all you superfriends delete Y E S and go play sim city.

[thraveboy]

For those great nations who know the meaning of this the word has been agreed upon and the following message has been whispered across the land:

"The Shadow March has begun."

Take actions accordingly.

[Foodstamp]

lol

[vfb]

In Mictlan, we have no cities, or sims, or other advanced techmologies. We believe R'lyeh has gone 'round the bend. This is somwhat confusing to us, since our prophecies indicate that R'lyeh should not lose all its marbles until both this age and the next have passed. Perhaps our calendar needs to be revised. Or perhaps it is as simple as a lack of oxygen. Come out into the fresh air and feel the wind in your face, starspawn.

The super alliance claimed by Lanka has proven to be a figment of their imaginations. Now they call all the wicked shadows to come tramp, tramp, tramp. Mictlan laughs to know that Lanka thinks shadows are something to be feared.

On a completely different topic: Niefelheim, the Agarthans you are munching on are somewhat stale. No complaining allowed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Kojusoki]

is the server down?

[jimkehn]

I couldn't get on.

[jimkehn]

The word of Tuucreepious hath arrived to the Prophets of Abysia. Thus saith His Majesty:

Lanka has been weighed on the balance and has been found wanting. Doth my brother, Mictlan, have a grievance against thee? So does Tuucreepious, Lord of the Flame. I have these three things against thee, O Lanka:

1. Thou hast trampled all over my flowers in my rest areas

2. Thou hast left thine empty banana peels on my sidewalks causing our young maidens to slip and fall.

3. Thou hast left Monkey Doo on my grass wherever thou walkest.

Surely the wrath of The Most High One will be visited upon thee and thy little monklings. Great and small shall fall.

Here endeth the revealing of the word.

So say we all.

[Saint_Dude]

vfb said:
On a completely different topic: Niefelheim, the Agarthans you are munching on are somewhat stale. No complaining allowed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.



Stale or not the Agarthans are powerless. They have few leaders, and they cannot recruit as their caves are under siege. Their forces are impotent and their time in this world is limited regardless of the strategy that they employ. We would just as soon finish them off quickly before they grow more stale.

As for complaining. . . I was just commenting on the strange goings on with the version shift mid-game. I thought it amusing that the battle results had little to do with the battle replay. I would have thought that if some of the other nations were out fighting last month, they would have observed similar quirks. However, it is possible that the battle in question was particularly quirky due to all of the blade wind spells being cast (as this spell was specifically downgraded in the new version).

BTW - I had no problem logging onto the server, so if it was down, it appears to be back up.

[vfb]

The jests of Mictlan's emissary to Niefelheim have been misunderstood. We have sacked him for incompetence, and now search far and wide for a replacement. Said replacement will be sure to use triple smileys, since his jokes are unlikely to be any better.

[Saint_Dude]

No problem with Mictlan's ribbing. Just trying to emphasize that there have been some strange incongruities with the battle replays lately.

I had thought the incongruity was due to the version shift mid-game. But I was playing a new blitz today and experience similar oddities (the battle replay had nothing to do with the actual results). I was told that it may be because I am playing on a mac.

I wonder, is there anyone else in our group using a mac? And if so, have they experienced any odd behavior with the battle replay?

Please continue with the antics. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Gandalf Parker]

These symptoms have shown up before. A game save (if its not on a host) would help the devs pin it down. But on my server Id suspect its the update catching up.

[vfb]

OOC: Well, this is totally weird. I got exactly the same events this turn as last turn. 3 random events, in the same provinces, all the same, and one of them pretty much sucks. Did this happen to everyone?

Mictlan would know if anyone desires two implementor axes, both in mint condition. Hopefully will we not be finding one of these every turn.

[Kojusoki]

Hellheim proudly announces that snakes has been beaten in two great battles. There will be no more illness and diesieses on our lands. Our witches can finally go back to their labs and start researching... The might of C'its has been finally broken and all the Nations of the Unlucky World can now live in peace. This is the day we all shall remember...

Kojus Maximus, Hellheim

[LoloMo]

The Council of Sauromancers had a good laugh at the misguided proclamation of the Senile Kojus in the weekly Toastmasters Meeting.

This will be the day we all remember as the day the Witches of Hellheim runs back to their Capital with their brooms between their legs as the remnants of their shattered invading army scatter into the hills of C'tis heartland.

Perhaps the messengers of Hellheim are so ashamed of their defeat in which near a hundred of their glamored infantry and Knights were slaughtered by the C'tis Heavy Infantry.

To the world at large, here is the truth. There were two battles, aye. The main Hellheim Invading Army was crushed before it even reached the C'tis Capital. The second battle was 4 provinces away in the direction of the Hellheim heartland, and was composed of independent missile troops. Merely a diversion consisting of poorly trained chaff.

Any illnesses or diseases surely did not come from C'tis lands. Perhaps the nation of Hellheim should look into what their witches are brewing right under their noses instead.

OOC: Did you patch? My war battle replay and the actual army count after seems to tally. And it shows me as owning the province where the battle occured.
OOC: Can someone check the graphs if it shows C'tis gaining a province and Hellheim losing a province?

[Kojusoki]

The world can check the stats....

OOC1 I have patched - that is why your missiles units were so good againts my troops. But I agree it is strange that it was YOUR province we were fighting (the one next to your capital)
OOC2 It is ok - I lost one you gained one.

[jutetrea]

Now I'm getting the "waiting for info" thing repeatedly.

For the last couple of turns its been random, try once or twice then the next usually gets in. Tried 6 times so far, will keep trying

edit: Figures, next time I tried, no problem

[jimkehn]

Well, I tried 4 times in a row and came here to post that this is getting old. The I saw your post, so with hope unbounded, I tried again only to fail.....again. I am about an inch from advertising for a sub, or worse.

[jutetrea]

keep at it, even with the annoyance of trying 6 times it still only took like 5 minutes.

I use the shortcut on the web directory
double click
see "waiting for info"
ctrl-alt-delete, task manager
don't do anything other than right click, close the dom tab
wait a sec
click end task
wait a few secs
click don't send
close task manager
repeat
takes maybe a minute or so on my comp

The first 6 times I also had firefox, outlook up and closed them for the time it worked. I really think it was coincidental, but you never know.

[Gandalf Parker]

Still not sure what the problems are. But keep in mind one difference that this game has over the blitzes on the same server. It takes half an hour to host.

Again, if someone wants to PM an email address I can have the game send you an email each time it finishes hosting

[jimkehn]

Gandalf...thanks for the offer, but don't want to inconvenience you that way. Knowing this game takes a half hour to host helps put things in perspective.

[Eressil3]

jutetrea said:
keep at it, even with the annoyance of trying 6 times it still only took like 5 minutes.

I use the shortcut on the web directory
double click
see "waiting for info"
ctrl-alt-delete, task manager
don't do anything other than right click, close the dom tab
wait a sec
click end task
wait a few secs
click don't send
close task manager
repeat
takes maybe a minute or so on my comp

The first 6 times I also had firefox, outlook up and closed them for the time it worked. I really think it was coincidental, but you never know.



Ctrl+alt+del is boring, I added "--window" in my shorcut. When it hang I just close(X) the window.

Here is my shortcut line :
"C:\Program Files\dominions3\dom3.exe" --ipadr game.dom3minions.com --port 9876 --tcpclient --window

[Gandalf Parker]

Heehee. Its not inconvenience. Im totally lazy. Thats why I had pre exec and post exec added to the server commands. The post exec for this game has a section that sends the stat file to a list of email addresses. Its all automated. If I cant automate something, it doesnt tend to get done more than once. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[jimkehn]

HAHAHA....I followed jutetrea's method and it hung once then it logged on.

Problem is this computer is approaching ancient..circa 2003 and very slow. It takes about 4 full minutes to cold load Dom3. And getting out of the hung game takes more like 2 or 3 full minutes per occurance.

[jutetrea]

I hate anything windowed.. but then again I guess I could just hit alt-enter(?) right?

alright, you win. windowed is way easier http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Gandalf Parker]

OK I cleared off a DoS attack. Let me know if that helps

[jutetrea]

Traveling for the next 2 nights so turns will be slow. I should still get them done as long, just won't be till late EST.

[Gandalf Parker]

So is anyone still having the connection problem?

[jimkehn]

I did last nite, Gandalf. It took the third try using your .lnk icon on my desktop. Haven't tried it this morning, yet. But I did it last nite after you posted the DoS attack message.

[vfb]

thraveboy said:
For those great nations who know the meaning of this the word has been agreed upon and the following message has been whispered across the land:

"The Shadow March has begun."

Take actions accordingly.



From --The Prophecies of Mictlan-- :

"And accordingly, so was a shadow sent forth. And the shadow did battle with another shadow, under cover of darkness. And there were great gnashings of teeth, and crunchings of bone, and rippings and tearings of wriggly fleshy bits. In the end, one shadow stood over the other. But behold! The spirit of the fallen shadow was not vanquished, only banished to its home."

Mictlan will return to the land of Lanka one day, and the shadow prince will be destroyed for good.

[Foodstamp]

I apologize for holding up the game. I am unable to connect.

[Foodstamp]

Is it possible the hang up issue has something to do with the ultra detailed turn reports? I still can't connect QQ

[Foodstamp]

I was able to get my turn in, and I think I may have found a trick to doing it. I won't know if it worked or was just coincidence until next turn. What I did was I doubleclicked my shortcut for the game, it hung up and I doubleclicked the short cut again while the hung up instance was still hung up. The second instance of the exe I launched went straight to the game with no hesitation or hang ups.

It may have been coincidence, but if your hanging up, its worth a shot http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Eressil3]

There are still connecting issues, but I can live with. It takes me usually a couple of time to connec to the server.

[Foodstamp]

I just tried it again, the method I listed has worked two times in a row now. Just double click the icon, let it hang up, double click a new instance, bam your in.

[jimkehn]

Thanks Foodstamp!!! Worked perfectly for me, too!!!

[Gandalf Parker]

Its strange that all of the blitzes on this same server are having no problems.

[jimkehn]

Weird, Gandalf. I don't understand why it is just this one that is so......ahem......unlucky.

[vfb]

Mictlan offers our respects to the fallen warriors of Lanka, who fought honorably and valiantly on the field of battle. Many of Mictlan's most wondrous creations were destroyed at the tips of Lanka's swords.

And were it not for a minor miracle and a less than perfect combat AI, there would be far fewer jaguars on the Western plains today, and far more of the tiger demons.

In a strange coincidence, Mictlan heard tidings this month from the East, regarding the demise of the Ancient Ones who had only recently emerged from their caves deep beneath the surface of the earth.

[Foodstamp]

The Mindlords of R'lyeh have found ourselves in surplus of several gem types. We have stockpiles of fire gems and earth gems we would like to trade for death gems. If you are interested, send me a PM and we will work out a deal. We are willing to trade on a 1 to 1 ratio on the gems.

[Saint_Dude]

The great Giants of Niefelheim have been couped up in their labs for many months, and have grown restless for adventure. At this very moment, they are sharpening their weapons and gathering their supplies to prepare for a march on Ermor.

Ermor is clearly a worthy adversary, and we expect that they will provide considerably more resistance than the docile pale ones. Nevertheless, our warriors would much rather die in glorious battle than to whither in old age in some dank and dusty lab.

[jutetrea]

Master Kardash has returned from Beaurocracy Hell and will be able to attend to his dominion much more efficiently.

After many hours of meetings with his advisors he has determined that information technology shall be banned within the realm. Standardization is the work of the devils and orderly workflows are much overrated, turmoil shall be the order of the day. Beer and virgins shall be dispensed amongst the realm, hopefully drawing out the random maenead.

Finally he gives thanks to his air mages for the early flight home, just in time to avoid missing his anniversary with the Empress.

[BandarLover]

lol Sounds like somebody had an "Office Space" day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Foodstamp]

We need to talk about your TPS reports.

[jutetrea]

My sea dogs ate them

[Foodstamp]

Yeah well, did you get the memo? All TPS reports are requiring a Sea Dog proof cover sheet. If you could start using the cover sheet, that would be great, thanks Peter.

[jutetrea]

Master Kardash summons Red Stapler of building incineration





oops

[Eressil3]

The Yomi's demons are bored too. They are growing and there is no more to eat. They're starting to stare at the properous ermorian empire with envy.

A Yomi's slave human legist told them that there is NAP with three month warning between them and Ermor. *Sliiing !* The head of the legist rolled on the ground... Then our prophet claimed :

"Ermor we put an end at this truce ! We respect though our previous pact. Therefore you have three months to prepare yourself for WAR ! We'll send our demons hordes in the middle of winter of the year three of ascension war !"

[jutetrea]

Just joined a random game, nice setup for a status page

http://valhalla.omni-forums.net/stats/stats.php?game=Newbies

Clueless on HTML, so not sure how difficult it is to implement

[LoloMo]

Seems that the pattern for the unable to connect is that one has to be currently connected, or attempting to connect before the other gets through. Foodstamps trick was to have one attempt at connection then immediately follow up with another attempt.

I also notice that on those occassions where I was able to connect on the first try was when someone else was connected.

[jutetrea]

On behalf of Master Kardash, I would like to submit a request to the heavenly beaurocracy to PLEASE STOP SENDING troops!!!, ahem. As I was saying, please divert all fanatics and militia willing to join the glorious cause into the department of fisheries and farmland where they may do some good. Further deportments will continue to strain our economy by providing extra mouths to feed.

We regret the loss of the previous weeks TPS reports and will have our scribes working diligently to catch up. Please stop. We promise to fill out all forms in triplicate, with the required seals and signatures. Master Kardash himself will be on hand to shuffle paper tomorrow.

***4 luck events, yay!, 4 troop events, boo, 200+ upkeep eek!. Anyone want to kill off a few hundred useless troops? luck my #$%3*.

[Saint_Dude]

We Giants would be happy to help if we were in the neighborhood. We are adept at the business of squishing useless little people. Although we have some trepidation that given Kardash's exorbitant gem income, any helpful party may find that the rumored peasants are in fact a horde of summons; perhaps celestial warriors?

[jutetrea]

We wish, ahem, alas the sudden appearance of a few hundred celestial soldiers would have been a boon indeed. As it is we shall start filing the forms for the inclusion of a dismiss command and in the meantime put the peasants to work.

[vfb]

T'ien Ch'i is not the only nation to suffer from an over-enthusiastic populace.

The southern jungles of Mictlan overflow with young warriors seeking to prove themselves in battle. We have no funds to support these recruits, and our our god has deemed them unacceptable sacrifices.

Mictlan has no choice but to send them off to war.

Helheim, you have been an honorable neighbor. It is with great sadness that we hereby cancel all pacts with you. Our armies march, so make your preparations accordingly. We would be overjoyed if you would agree to engage in battle earlier! Please just send us a message -- either a messenger or an invading army will do. According to our agreements, if you do not accept an earlier start to hostilities, then you may expect the first wave of young Mictlan soldiers to die on your spears in three month's time, Early Spring.

-- Zotz, Prophet of Mictlan

[lch]

jutetrea said:
Just joined a random game, nice setup for a status page

http://valhalla.omni-forums.net/stats/stats.php?game=Newbies

Clueless on HTML, so not sure how difficult it is to implement


Thanks. The script is already in the vaults of this forum (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Number=496923) and the attachment gets changed whenever it is updated. A web server with PHP is needed, no database required. You'll have to fiddle around with the starting commands for the game server to workaround some problems, but it's all described in the ReadMe...

If anything's unclear, feel free to ask in the thread.

[Kojusoki]

Nation willing to join our crusade againts Mitclan are welcome. Also we have gems for sale, all kinds. Price depends on quantity. PM please.

[vfb]

Mictlan is looking forward to viewing your fine collection of Gems during our vacation in the southlands.

We do not expect to be staying long. We are mainly interested in previewing a small amount of real estate surrounding the famed Hot Waters. We would like to acquire perhaps 5 or so provinces in that vicinity. Oh, and Morn too. You do remember that Morn was once Mictlan's long ago ? It's time to pay the rent. With interest. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Kojusoki]

As you probably have seen in our catalouges, we have already bulit up our infrastructe so we are ready to welcome additional guests. According to our archieves, you "were happy" to "give as back" this province so we are a bit confused. But we do belive that when we meet everything will be clear. As our goodwill, we would be happy to build up in that province a huge graveyard of Mitclan warriors. There will be more death gems then;)

[Gandalf Parker]

OK testing a temp-fix on the connect problem.
Let me know if it helps.

[jutetrea]

connected 5 times on the first try, what'd you do?

edit: tried a bunch more times and got in first try as well.

[Gandalf Parker]

Someone verified that it was a problem on other servers than mine so I stopped looking for server problems.

The fixes people give seem to be along the line of "first connect bombs and second connect works if you slip in while its still resetting something".

So now I have my desktop is connected to the game and sitting on the "Waiting for game info" screen provinding everyone with a second-connection. Its only a temp fix for some of the larger games Im hosting. I dont plan to do the same with all of the blitzes. Ive reported the problem in the beta group to the devs.

[jutetrea]

Cool, thanks

[BandarLover]

Shocked me when I connected first try as well. Was just getting used to connect, back out, connect again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Eressil3]

Gandalf Parker said:
OK testing a temp-fix on the connect problem.
Let me know if it helps.



It does help for sure ! No more connecting issues for me since your new fix.

[Saint_Dude]

No problems here as well. And I wouldn't worry about the blitz games, as they don't have this problem.

[jutetrea]

Hoping we get a turn in tonight, have to travel (again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif() and won't be back till about midnight EST Sunday. Won't be taking the laptop as its family this time, so access is pretty much impossible.

[BandarLover]

Pssh...putting family before gaming! What kind of person are you?! Oh, right, a good one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Only need 3 more people to do their turns before you get your wish Jutetrea.

[jimkehn]

Sorry guys...i have been holding up turns. I do some farming along with my real job and on the days I farm, they are very long. In addition, yesterday family rolled in from out of town. Should move a lot smoother now.

[vfb]

No problems here. If Gandalf can increase the timeout this weekend I'd be very happy. Don't want to get in trouble with the wife! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

[Gandalf Parker]

Is that a general request? To lengthen the timer?

[Foodstamp]

This game has been running very fast. We have lucked out and collected a fine group of people that get their turns done well ahead of time.

That being said, if anyone needs the timer lengthened because of real life stuff, I have absolute faith that those people really need the pause/extension just because of how good all the players have been getting their turns in this game.

[Eressil3]

It will be sad for jimkehn to stale. I don't think he deserves that. I agree to lenghten the timer over this week end.

[jimkehn]

OK with me.
Thanks for the thoughtfulness, Eressil3, but now I am done farming and should be able to get more than one turn per day.

[vfb]

Gandalf Parker said:
Is that a general request? To lengthen the timer?



I don't know if anyone else besides jutetrea and me still needs a little bit of extra time this weekend. I sure do!

I managed to get in the current turn, but if we could please have a 48 hour timer for the remainder of this weekend, I'd appreciate it.

[BandarLover]

I'm cool with extending the time as well. Foodstamp is correct, we've all done exceptional on our turns (minus the rough start we had) and I think we've built up enough good will to know noone hwere would intentionally keep us waiting. In other words, if someone needs an extension, that's cool. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Gandalf Parker]

OK its on a 48 hour now

[vfb]

Thank you!

[jutetrea]

Yes thanks, although I caved in and took the laptop with me. I had a neighbor with a key available for a pinch, but he scared me. "So, I can attack the yellow guy?" "No", "pink guy" "no, that's you".. "er, this game sucks". Yeah, a bit slow on the uptake.

But if the rest of the turns come in I should be able to get mine in tomorrow morning.

[jimkehn]

Sure glad it wasn't the "red" guy you were contemplating attacking, jutetrea

[jutetrea]

Anyone else notice anything wierd with the update site/turn last night?

Got off the plane, got home, checked update page - Mictlan still needs to play. Checked again before going to sleep, Mictlan had played turn (little red asterick gone) but there were now zero little red asterick's.

Figured it was hosting, checked back a bit later..same thing.

Logged on with the laptop (cuz it seems that until the turn is uploaded each action is stored locally...so if I log on with my desktop before a turn is hosted I lose all the actions) and the game itself says Ermor hasn't played.

Signed,
confused

[Foodstamp]

The asterisk will be gone on the update page if the player downloads the turn. So my guess would be that Ermor downloaded his turn last night but did not play it. All you have to do is view your turn for it to show as played on the update page.

[Gandalf Parker]

I "touched" Ermors .2h file so that the web-check will properly reflect the games status.

[vfb]

If all you do is:

Connect
Download the Turn
Immediately Disconnect

then the turn status does not get hosed by strange timestamps. But if you:

Connect
Download the Turn
Look at the map while connected
Exit without saving

then the files get touched and the timestamps get out of whack.

Anyway, thanks for the extensions. Who wants to go back to 24 hours, and who would prefer to stay on 48?

It's taking a bit longer to shuttle units around. Not that Mictlan has any units of course, except for the militia I am trying to kill off. Expect if you are contemplating invading Mictlan. Then I have lots and lots of horrible, evil, dastardly units who will try to eat you for breakfast.

Myself, I'd prefer to remain on the 48 hour clock. I'll still try to do 2 turns a day though, of course! Sleep is for the people without Dom3.

[jimkehn]

I prefer 24 hours, but usually can do 2 turns a day. If they are spaced right. One in the morning and one at nite. I can almost always do one. I take my laptop out of town with me. Very rarely do I not have internet.

[Saint_Dude]

I would vote for going back to the 24 hr clock. It is a bit early for a slow down.

The turns still do not take much time, or at least they don't for us Giants as we have simple minds and simple plans (must crush Ermor). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/firedevil.gif

[Foodstamp]

24 hours for me kthx

[jutetrea]

Same here, 24 hours... ok, I'd really like 12 hours http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif but can live with 24.

I gotta say, for an MP newbie this is like crack... I'm always checking the status page or jumping back in to make a useless tweak. I know its unfounded, but I have a sneaking suspicion the server notification takes like 10 minutes to get sent out. Which is 10 wasted minutes before I can see my turn results!!! Yeah, I need help.

I'm in the mid/late game of a newbie game as Atlantis, and its a complete 180 from this game in terms of size, complexity and fun. Then I made the mistake of jumping in two other MP games... one with trying a bless strat with LA TC (sucks) and the other with picking the exact wrong scales with Pangaea (sucks)... so those will both be early defeats http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

so, ramble off... 24 hours is good.

[Gandalf Parker]

jutetrea said:
I gotta say, for an MP newbie this is like crack... I'm always checking the status page or jumping back in to make a useless tweak. I know its unfounded, but I have a sneaking suspicion the server notification takes like 10 minutes to get sent out. Which is 10 wasted minutes before I can see my turn results!!! Yeah, I need help.



Hmmmmm good point.
Im glad that the status page is being useful. I see many of the other servers coming up with versions also.

But come to think of it, I did put the email notification at the end of the post.sh (after hosting) and with all of the zipping and moving and swapping files it might have gotten abit long. OK Ive moved the email notification to the beginning of post.sh which should get the emails out immeadiately after the turn finishes hosting. They dont get sent to any major ISP mail server for sending. I am my own mail server so Im pretty sure that they do get sent pretty instantly.

[jutetrea]

Yes, very useful and thanks.

I'm probably on the more rabid edge of turn checking (since I work from home) but thanks anyway!

[jimkehn]

I dunno Jutetrea. When I AM home, I am the same way. The game surely should be outlawed. At least for married folk.

[lch]

To beat that addiction, sign on to the Dominions IRC channel and have some blitzes. Then do some MP games. Once you have played a couple, you're developing a more laid back personality about it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Kojusoki]

We, the glamour people of Hellheim are almost finished... We do need support as fast as possible. Our lands are rich so if we will be beaten by Mitclan and Cits, they will get a huge amounts of gems... Others will loose and become slaves.. Stop them or they will win... We have plenty (400+) of gems so if we start loosing, we will tranfer them to the strongest nation (doesnt counting Cits or Mitclan of course).

[LoloMo]

The High Council of Sauromancers are glad that they will not be the recipient of cursed treasures. Those cursed gems would bring ruin upon the strongest of nations, as the world unites against the suddenly overwhelmingly dangerous opponent.

We would, however, gladly take the hen that lays the golden eggs as compensation for the scores of our lizard kin that were slaughtered in the foolish Hellheim rush against the C'tis Capital.

[vfb]

The Nation of Mictlan desires only a small amount of puddlefront property (well, it looks like a lake). C'Tis has borne the brunt of the Helheim assault through many months, so they deserve the land they will be getting. It is a hard fight, battling scores of glamorous heim warriors. C'Tis has done well, and deserves their reward of the Helheim capital.

There is no alliance of C'Tis and Mictlan that threatens the world. We are united in this fight by our common history of conflict with Helheim, though Mictlan chose to pay in land rather than battle Helheim, when first threatened.

That said, Helheim has been an honorable neighbor, and respected our pact once they received payment for their peace. We are sure their remaining warriors will defend their lands valiantly and bravely against our hordes and hordes of militiamen.

[Foodstamp]

Looks like I am holding this game up. I have a few more things I have to do this afternoon, then I will get my turn in, I am sorry for the delay http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Kojusoki]

...we will hold just for a few days more... those will be probably the last words the world will hear from us as a Nation...many refuges are looking for their new homes... The High Council deicided to give all the money and gems to the Choosen nation, closest to our hearts... We belive they will free our people from jungle people... We belive that we will rise again... soon...

virgins: run away!!!! Mitclan is coming http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[vfb]

Mictlan has found many beautiful women in the (former) lands of Helheim, but unfortunately none of them were virgins. So now we know what all your mages were up to when they should have been researching or summoning or crafting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif. That's why you have so many gems left over to donate to your mystery ally!

And anyway, honestly, it's true, we're only paying a visit to the South. The remains of our armies will soon be heading back to our jungles in the West.

[jutetrea]

Gandalf - are we staying on a 48 hr timer or can we still move to a 24 hr timer?

[Gandalf Parker]

Up to you guys

[jutetrea]

Saw 4 votes for 24 hrs, 1(2) for 12 hrs http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif and didn't see any for 48 hrs.

Anyone have a problem with switching back to 24 hours after the next turn?

[jutetrea]

The nation of TC regrets to inform all that we have sacked our marketing and business development VPs and will be discontinuing the previous pricing model. It proved wildly...unpopular.

Two mildly abused and previously overpaid executives are available for hire. We'll throw in their detached bits for free.

In the future we will be willing to purchase/trade for gems or trade/construct items on an individual basis at any time.

[Foodstamp]

R'lyeh once again has found itself in possession of more gems than we need. Currently we have massive stockpiles of Fire, Air and Earth gems we wish to trade for Death gems on a 1 to 1 basis.

If you are interested in such a trade, PM me and we will discuss the quantities that R'lyeh can exchange.

Mindlord-mart thanks you for your patronage!

[Gandalf Parker]

ok game back at 24 hours

[jimkehn]

DAMN!!!! I can't connect at this motel with my computer. Using a friends to post this. I guess I'll just hafta stale.

Will keep trying

[Gandalf Parker]

If you want to email your turn to gandalf at dom3minions.com I will slip it into the directory for you.

[jimkehn]

Can't email. Can't get online.

[Saint_Dude]

Can you transfer 2h file to your friends computer?

[vfb]

I think he can't download the current turn either. Would it help to get the current turn for Abysia in an email? Or does that not work if it's a network game?

[jutetrea]

Well you still got 19 hours and 2 other people to go before you have to stale.

[Kojusoki]

It was a great game - thank you. Im under impression vfb - next time when we meet together at the begining I will change my strategy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Congratulations vfb (hope you like our tourist infrastructure built especially for you;)

[vfb]

Good game Kojusoki!

You are right, if you had attacked early on instead of letting me capitulate and buy you off, I would have been toast. I'm actually scared to death of Helheim (and Vanheim), otherwise our nations could have remained friendly much longer.

[Kojusoki]

Well Hellheim as a nation with water bless should be banned in my opinion. I was negotiating with you simply becouse I had no money http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I had a large production, good scales but... provinces were poor so I couldn't produce as much as I nedded... That is why my research was so low - I cannot afford for mages. In normal cicrumstanes, with moderate provinces (not hills, wastelands and forests only) Hellheim is unstoppable for the first 20 turns I belive. Movement 2 or 3, glamour ability (cut a bit in new patch) makes all other nations in an early stage an easy prey. Anyway - game was nice:)

[jutetrea]

Random Q: Can we removed Atlantis and Agartha from the check/status page? Or different font/color? Very minor, just curious.

[LoloMo]

Yup, good game Kojus. Those legions of yours are just too tough! Good thing you didn't have enough income to make more, although I would say 100 galmored cavalry is quite big already =)

[Kojusoki]

LoloMo, you had quite a good strategy againts them - maybe not in the first battle but in the second one:)

[Eressil3]

Yomi heard something about a black lamb roaming somewhere in the unlucky realm. A dark night may fall on this realm. Tartarians may come. We don't care !

It's a human matter since humans eat lambs.
Humans are Yomi's matter since demons eat human's flesh.

This month one of our army tried to eat a big two headed snake, but scales seems to cause severe injuries to the delicate stomac of our demons... The next time we should try to roast it before biting it even if it taste bad this way http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif

[Foodstamp]

R'lyeh is now managing your retirement accounts free of charge! This month and for now on, expect the incomes in all your provinces to be increased. R'lyeh is willing to take donations for our services, but it is not required at all. If you do wish to make a donation, we will accept gold, gems, magic items and even blood slaves, though we have no use for them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

[vfb]

Mictlan salutes the brave warriors of Helheim, who fought valiantly in their last stand against the forces of the Jungle.

[jimkehn]

Moving to a different motel tonite. Nervous cuz I don't know what if any internet I will have. I am suspicious of the new laptop's wireless capabilities. It doesn't work at this motel, but I am plugged into ethernet. I will have my old laptop, so maybe I can get on with it. What will happen if I have played a couple turns with the new laptop, but the turns have been skipped with the old. Will it just download the new turn on the old laptop and all is well?? OR will something be amiss?

[jutetrea]

Its only turn by turn. i.e. the .2h file uploaded by one laptop will overwrite an existing, but only for the current turn.

If you start a turn on one, then go to another without transferring the .2h file you essentially start over.

I think http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif