What are the best units to turn into Prophets?

[FrontalAssault]

Playing MA Jotun and have a dormant Pretender. Should I turn a Skraggi or Gygia(sp?) into a prophet? is it worth it? Can they still research?

Thanks alot!

[quantum_mechani]

You would be better off propheting your starting scout or herse, since being a mage doesn't realy help a lot with prophet duties anyway.

[Meglobob]

FrontalAssault said:
Playing MA Jotun and have a dormant Pretender. Should I turn a Skraggi or Gygia(sp?) into a prophet? is it worth it? Can they still research?

Thanks alot!



You may as well just turn your starting commander into a prophet really...however given a choice between the two you mentioned I would turn the Skraggi (thats the werewolf shapechanger, right) because he can be a stealthy SC, especially if you have a strong bless.

[Dedas]

If you intend to fight AND cast holy spells like "holy avenger" do not turn a unit like MA Ulm Commander into a prophet. His encumbrance is massive for spellcasting and he just end up getting a lot of critical hits once in battle.
Just turning him into a prophet and then using him like a normal "thug commander" works quite well though.

[thejeff]

There are a few basic options for early prophets.

Use your starting commander, for divine bless and smiting.

If you have a recruitable H3+ priest, prophetize one to get access to H4+ spells.

If you have a non-sacred thug and a good bless, prophetize one for a more serious thug/SC. The Skratti would fall in this category, if you've got a good bless.

Use a stealthy commander to preach behind enemy lines.


I wouldn't research with a prophet. They can, but there are usually better things for them to do. (Though I did have mage prophet in an SC game who picked up the Heroic Researcher ability after his first fight. That was too nice. I pulled him off the front lines and got him a cushy lab job. I missed the prophet, but an extra ~15 rp early on was too tempting.)

[Xietor]

I choose a prophet that has decent hps, is not a mage or old,
and does not have too much spell casting encumbrance.

I like my prophet to cast courage in battles and smite. I do not like giving my melee thugs the prophet bonus, because when you push deep into enemy lands, his hp reduction will get him killed.

And if i am playing a race with crappy priests, the prophet may be needed to cast courage. If you are playing a race with decent priests, the stealth unit prophet may be the way to go.

[Manuk]

is there any point in h4? if im not mistaken there's only a spell that paralyzes one unit each casting.

[Dedas]

All priest spells with a "+" in range, damage etc (as banishment) gets boosted by level. Also, you can preach to higher levels (depending on whether there is a temple in the province or not, of course).

[Velusion]

Manuk said:
is there any point in h4? if im not mistaken there's only a spell that paralyzes one unit each casting.



For nations that use a lot of undead (Ermor, C'tis, etc...) they have national priest 4 spells that are "entire battlefield" spells which increase the attack of all undead units. That is one very, very good reason. There might be other nations that have level 4 priest spells...

Also put a level 4 priest with a temple and turn on the preaching and you'll see the domain shoot up (it won't fail it's domain spread check).

I'll always try to prophetize a level 3 priest if it can be done without screwing up my first few turns too badly.

[Managarm]

Another usage for a first turn Prophet is for Sermon Of Courage casting.
This is specially useful in Nations which have very low morale troops, like EA C'Tis.

[Sandman]

FrontalAssault said:
Playing MA Jotun and have a dormant Pretender. Should I turn a Skraggi or Gygia(sp?) into a prophet? is it worth it? Can they still research?

Thanks alot!



Turn a Jotun Jarl into your prophet. It transforms him into a different, rather better unit with a crown and golden armour.

[HoneyBadger]

Make a hoburg gardener your Prophet, it turns him into a giant 3-headed immortal golden dragon that breathes lightning-bolts and has Fire 9, Astral 9, and Death 9.

[Sandman]

No it's correct. There are a few commanders that transform when prophetised. The Jotun Jarl is one of them.

[Dedas]

Give me a list. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[HoneyBadger]

The hoburg gardener is another really good one. You should try it sometime, that three-headed golden dragon is the best SC in the game, in my opinion, especially since he produces one lightning-breathing golden drake every year.

[HoneyBadger]

I know there are some units that when prophetized turn into better units, but is there a way to mod this? Could I, for instance, make a mod where prophetizing a Niefel Jarl-different from a Jotun Jarl-changes him into a unit that's a Niefel Jarl mounted on an ice drake (a really big one)?

[Ewierl]

In Dom2, there were some Abysian units that changed identity when prophetized; the Anathemant Dragon just got a cooler sprite IIRC, but the Warlord definitely changed to a version with better weapons.

[Nick_K]

One of the Ctissian clerics changes as a prophet... I can't remember if it's the lizard king or the high priest. The new version has a purple robe, but I don't know if it has any real advantages.

[PvK]

The C'tissian improves a little in abilities, but not by a whole lot.

[Morkilus]

The C'tis Lizard King (at least in MA) gets blue trim on his robes and a fancy new hat when prophetized. Neat touch! Too bad I'll never be able to try them all. By the way, how do you get Hoburg Gardeners? The Hoburg poptype I've found only lets you have commanders, militia, guards, and crossbows.

[HoneyBadger]

You get hoburg gardeners by casting "Gift of Gaia" or "Gaia's Gift"-I'm pretty sure it's one of those, on any province which produces hoburgs, and then having atleast 3 hoburg commanders set on "patrol" That will allow you to recruit hoburg gardeners in that province, but only in spring.

[mivayan]

HoneyBadger said:
You get hoburg gardeners by casting "Gift of Gaia" or "Gaia's Gift"-I'm pretty sure it's one of those, on any province which produces hoburgs, and then having atleast 3 hoburg commanders set on "patrol" That will allow you to recruit hoburg gardeners in that province, but only in spring.


You really sound like you are trolling, or just mumbling nonsense because it's fun.

[Edi]

The EA Hoburg poptypes have a unit called Horticulturist, a N1 mage with a small chance to get random EW.

[Morkilus]

You got me, HoneyTroll. Damn me for not reading the subject and being a gullible ***.


HoneyBadger said:
You get hoburg gardeners by casting "Gift of Gaia" or "Gaia's Gift"-I'm pretty sure it's one of those, on any province which produces hoburgs, and then having atleast 3 hoburg commanders set on "patrol" That will allow you to recruit hoburg gardeners in that province, but only in spring.