Version 3.08 Newbie game (finished)

[lch]

Since my server is patched to 3.08 now and I plan to host more games soon, I'm opening another multiplayer game. This game is supposed to be for newbies. If you already have had lots of multiplayer experience then please leave the slots open to new players. I won't play myself, but I'll watch the game as a spectator. /threads/images/Graemlins/icon10.gif TCP/IP game, not PBEM.

These are the rules:
Host interval will be 48 hours, quickhosting enabled. The first dozen turns shouldn't take that long, though, see if you can play one turn every day.
If you are going to have to take a break from the game for whatever reason, then inform me about it. If you are going stale for two turns, I will search for a substitute player for you.
If you want to set yourself to AI, then ask here if somebody else wants to continue playing for you before doing so.
Everybody has to prepare his pretender offline and send me that file via email, including his password.
Make sure that you set a password for your pretender! If I have everyone's pretenders, I will start the game.
Talking about the game in this thread is encouraged, people who try to roleplay get bonus points. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif
Don't take this game too serious though, it's supposed to be fun.
Now for the goodies:
Vanilla game with the 3.08 version, everything set to default. No Mods.
We will use the Parganos map, so I'm looking for 6-8 players. I will make sure that nobody will start on that island unless his nation is amphibian or has commanders with the sailing ability.
The game will be in (early age or) middle age, to see the new 3.08 nations (Tír na nÓg and) Eriu in action. Edit: It will be middle age
The game will have auto-notification via email when a new turn starts.
The game will have a status webpage where you can see who has already done his turn, who hasn't, and how much time is left.
If you're interested in joining then post here with the age (early or middle) you want to play and the nations you'd want to play for both of the ages (can be different nations). I expect that the game will fill up over the weekend and I hope that I get your pretenders by Wednesday at the latest. I'll update the main post later on.

[lch]

The players so far:
Eldanesh: voted MA, Lanka (EA) or Marignon (MA) - pretender received
Bluebird: voted MA, Eriu (MA) - pretender received
Mow: Abysia (MA) - pretender received
Lily: voted MA, Mictlan (EA) or Machaka (MA) - pretender received
jutetrea: voted EA, Tir na n'og (EA) or Pangea (MA) - pretender received
Siever: voted MA, T'ien Ch'i (MA) - pretender received
cupido2: R'lyeh (MA) - pretender received
Horst F. JENS: Man (MA) - pretender received

[Eldanesh]

My vote is for mid age, no desicion on teams just yet. Maybe Magrinon.

[Eldanesh]

Alright, I'll say Lanka, land of demons for early age, and Magrinon for Mid Age. Ry'leh my favorite but I don't feel I can play them well enough in DOM3 just yet.

[lch]

Okay. You can playtest a little till we start the game and if you feel like playing R'lyeh instead and nobody took it then you can still switch. As soon as we have 6 people together I'll make preparations for the game. If somebody else drops by this thread then and we get 8 players in total, even better.

[Bluebird]

Hi, I have a friend who I want to get addicted to the game. He is an utter newbie. May I register two players for the game? For him and me?

[Eldanesh]

U'd have to use the same comp, I've tried it on lanning and u can't use just 1 key.

[lch]

I expect that Bluebird does have two copies. I will check the game for duplicate keys before starting it to prevent it from getting screwed up.

[Bluebird]

Sure - to be precise: I have purchased 4 copies and resold one of them to the friend - so there should not be any key colision, but thanks for the warning. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[lch]

Hmm, I expected this game to be already filled up with players, maybe I was too restrictive. So, instead of requiring that you're not playing in other games already, now I'll just ask that you only join if you can really consider yourself still a newbie to MP gaming.

[Lily]

I'm currently playing in my second MP game so I'm not a complete newbie. I'd be keen to play in this game, but feel free to say no if you'd prefer people who've played less.

[lch]

Nah, that's fine by me. Just say which age you want to play and a national preference for both of the ages.

[Lily]

Cool, thanks. I'd like to play EA Mictlan or MA Machaka, I don't mind which.

[jutetrea]

Same here, in my first 2 MP right now. So up to you.

EA Nief or Tir
MA Pan or Arco

Pref EA

[Lily]

I've heard that EA Niefelheim can be quite overpowered. Trying to fight against an early rush with blessed Niefel Giants sounds like it might not be much fun for new players. Personally I'd vote not to have them in the game. If jutetrea is happy to play Tir n'a Nog I think that might be better. It'd be good to see one of the new nations in action anyway.

[jutetrea]

Kind of agree, but I've never played a bless strategy and wanted to try one. Also, one of the game I'm in I think I'll be facing them soon *shudder*

S'all good though I'd love to try out the new nation in MP. Only played them a few times in SP so far.

[lch]

Okay, I've booked you with Tir now. I'd like to see how the new races are going to fare, too, after all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Since I never heard anything back from davegg I'm still waiting for one or more players. Could we already fix the age in which the game is going to be, EA or MA? Then you could already start designing your pretenders and playtest a little.

[jutetrea]

Vote EA

[Lily]

I've been playing SP Machaka today so now I'm keen on playing the game in MA. That said, if I'd been playing Mictlan I'd be all keen for EA so I guess it doesn't make too much difference to me which era we play.

So that's a vote for MA but not a particularly strong one.

[Bluebird]

I vote for MA, as EA is more tricky for newbies with weak troops and magic as a very important factor. So, my vote is for MA, too.

BTW: I would prefer Eriu - and if that is not available - then Man.

[Siever]

I'd like to play. This is my 2 MP.
I vote MA and I prefer T'ien Ch'i or Vanheim

[lch]

Okay, it looks like this is going to be a game set in the Middle Age. Bluebird, can I get a confirmation in this thread from your friend that he's going to play, and his preferences?

[Bluebird]

Oh - forgot the name of my preferred EA nation. That would be Tir na n'Og ...

[Sensori]

I was told I'm not newbieish enough due to me having played Dominions (1) 5 years ago. :p

[Willburn]

If anyone has a suggestion to what I can play that wouldnt be unbalanced / not taken then I would be interested in joining.

[lch]

Sensori said:
I was told I'm not newbieish enough due to me having played Dominions (1) 5 years ago. :p


... and because disagreeing about going 1on1 after Bluebird. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Bluebird]

Hey - first, I am not a really good player, because I never invest enough time in my games. Second, I am just joining because I want to play together with that friends of mine (whom I have to kick today to make a statement about his preferred nation), and third, I will play an easy, non-agressive game, trying out some new stuff, so please be gentle.

[cupido2]

Oh my! Why does this game doesn't fill? If you need another player, I would give MA R'lyeh a try. If it will be EA give me a random nation.

[lch]

The godfather, now operating under the banner of the Mindlords? Well, it seems like we have enough people now and I don't want to stall the start any further. It looks like this will be a middle age game, so I will emphasize the nation that have been chosen so far. Please design your pretender and send it to me by mail. I'll PM you my email address.

[lch]

Everybody who signed up should have received a PM now. Those who haven't specified yet which nations they want to take, please do so now. No more underwater nations available!

[Siever]

I take T'ien Ch'i and soon I will send my pretender.

[Horst F. JENS]

I will take MA Man and send my pretender to Ich. This is my first multiplayer game with dom3. At least i know how to loose from dom2 :-)

[Horst F. JENS]

pretender sent to Ich's email.

[HermesHand]

I am a true newbie. Played the demo briefly. I would like to give multiplayer a shot. I would like to try Argatha.

[lch]

Sorry, we're full. I waited half a week for players, now that I've forced the start lots of new players want to hop onto the game, strange. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

In case somebody drops out of the game I will contact you.

[Eldanesh]

I'm not sure I know what you mean by sending my pretender. Please explain.

[lch]

Create your pretender in the game, "Game Tools" -> "Create Pretender God", then when you are done (don't forget to set a password!) look in the "newlords" folder in your savedgames directory. Send me the file which was created for your pretender, mid_marignon_0.2h or something like that.

[cupido2]

You have to create a pretender god in the "game tools". Once you created it, send the file (it is in the savegame/newlords folder) to the e-mail-adresse you received. Don't forget to create it for the right age and your nation you're playing and give it a password.

[cupido2]

Ich was a tad faster than me...

The Godfather II The revenge from the deep. This time he doesn't just put fishheads in other pretender's bed.

[Bluebird]

When testing the map, I was locked a couple of times with a non-water nation on province 31. Can you make sure that this does not happen?

[lch]

Yes.

lch said:
We will use the Parganos map, so I'm looking for 6-8 players. I will make sure that nobody will start on that island unless his nation is amphibian or has commanders with the sailing ability.


I now have all the pretenders except for your friend, Bluebird. Is he going to join the game or is the slot open?

[Mow]

Hi,

I'm the Friend of Bluebird.

I'd like to play Abysia.

I will send the pretender to "Ich" this evening when I'm back home.

[lch]

Okay. When I have your pretender I'll prepare the game. I will start it on Thursday because jutetrea is travelling at the moment. You'll receive an email from the host when the game starts.

[Bluebird]

Oops - must have overread this point about the island in the game description. Sorry about the noise. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[cupido2]

Please note that I will be out of town til friday evening. It might be possible that I'm a bit late for the first turn... sorry

[Sensori]

Ich, you said that I'm not newbieish enough for having played D1 five years ago, and now you let Bluebird AND Horst who've played D2 in the MP sense in? ...

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[lch]

Yeah yeah yeah, I knew that this would come... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Sensori, I'm sorry for telling you that my game is "supposed to be for newbies" and letting those others in, and I'll never do it again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

Honestly, I can't know for sure if other players are newbies or not, and even people that only kept playing SP constantly may be better than other players who did MP before. Siever and Eldanesh might be qm and Gandalf Parker in disguise for all I know, I have no idea. So I have to trust others when I ask them to "only sign up if you can call yourself a newbie". I'll start another game soon for Saint_Dude and you are especially invited to join that one.
Can we be friends again, now? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

[Horst F. JENS]

sent god again to karsten because i forgot to correctly set password for the last god.
As for the newbie-only debate, i play single-player (since dom PPP) but have only played two or three times multiplayer, and never with dom3. So if i this mean i am not a clean newbie please remove me from the game and let some of the more true newbies take my seat.

[Sensori]

No, it's not that, it's just that Ich told me that I'm not newbie enough to join the game and let others who've played the games too join. I'm not saying that anyone who's already in the game should be dropped now because I've been so horribly wronged by Ich. ;ppp

(And yes, I'm being somewhat sarcastic here lawl)

[Siever]

I'm not qm, but admit I look like Gandalf Parker: gray beard and hair, glasses and probably the same age.

[lch]

Sensori said:
No, it's not that, it's just that Ich told me that I'm not newbie enough to join the game


Actually, if I'd want to be nitpicking: what I said in the IRC channel was "Sensori, the game is supposed to be for newbies" - no more and no less IIRC... You then quickly decided on your own to remove your request to join the game, so I assume that you don't consider yourself a real newbie!? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Sensori]

That's not true. I decided to remove my request after this:

<lch> Sensori, Bluebird isn't a newb, I know, I don't know why he signed up for this... but as he adds two players to the game and I'm still looking for players, I can't refuse

AND THIS!

<lch> or maybe I let you in and you restrict to a 1on1, Bluebird and you :3

You said that Bluebird isn't a newbie, but you'd put me to duel with him, so you pretty much claimed that I'm not a newbie in the process as well. :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[lch]

Dayum, a' been found out now fo' shizzle!

[Bluebird]

Hmm - ok, because Sensori is making so much noise: I was looking for a game where Mow and I could join. Mow is a real utter newbie, having just maintained a single game of mine for 2 turns while I was away. So, I was just about to create an own game when I discovered Ich's offer and asked if we could join.

I do fully understand that this is a newbie game, where I participate mostly because I want to play with Mow and I can do a little bit of coaching for everybody: I will give feedback to the other players and play defensive.

This is Ich's game, and I do not think that there is a reason for him to justify himself. The set of players has probably developed over time, and there is not consisted rule to justify it anyway.

If he thinks that I am unbalancing the game, he could tell me any time and Mow and I would withdraw, no hard feelings. But the goal of this game is to learn Dom3 and to have fun for everybody, and that is the way that I will play http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[lch]

As Sensori wrote, he's just pulling a leg here. I just hoped that Newbies could enjoy their first MP game and have some fun and success even with "weak" MP tactics without being pummeled to death by turn 5-10. As long as that's the case, I don't mind. Should you start a savage bloodbath among them I might emulate LA R'lyeh's insanity and change some of your orders before I host a turn, maybe. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

We're waiting for Mow's pretender, then I'll start the game.

[Mow]

Hmm.. I had problems to download the update. Sorry for the delay.

My pretender is on the way.

[lch]

Okay, the game has started now. Everybody should have received a message from the host with the info how to connect to the server etc. - if you have not received the message then please check your Spam folder and add the email address of the host to your Whitelist. If you can't even find it in your Spam folder then report it here.

The timer is set for 48 hours per turn, if you all are done before that then it will automatically host the new turn even before that. So better check back on the game once per day. In case you won't have time to do your turns in time because you'll be travelling or for whatever other reason, please leave a message here in the thread in advance and send me an email (you can just reply to the host messages).

Have a good game and have fun, everybody!

P.S.: In case some other game already uses the same name, please tell me about it and I'll change it.

[Mow]

Hmmm... I've greylisting on my mailserver. And your mailserver tried to deliver the mail only once (10:31:45) and then never again.

Might it be that the mail server you use do not handle RFC correct?

[lch]

I'm using nbSMTP (http://nbsmtp.ferdyx.org/) over a smtp relay server for the turn notifications. It is only called once, that's correct. I could switch back to sendmail if you prefer that, although I don't trust it that much.

[lch]

Actually, it seems as if even nbSMTP is resending emails:

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>################################################## ##################
# THIS IS A WARNING ONLY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. #
################################################## ##################

Your message could not be delivered for 24 hour(s).
It will be retried until it is 4 day(s) old.

For further assistance, please see (german lanuage only):
http://www.arcor.de/hilfe/neu/index.php?sid=&amp;aktion=anzeigen&amp;rubrik=006001002&amp;id =198

The Postfix program

&lt;Kxxxx@Exxxxx.de&gt;: host xxxx.Exxxxx.de[xx.xxx.xxx.xx] said: xxx-xxx.xxx.xx.xx
is not yet authorized to deliver mail from 451 &lt;xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxx&gt; to
&lt;xxxxx@xxxxxx.de&gt;. Please try later. (in reply to RCPT TO command)</pre><hr />

Looks like this game is having a good hosting frequency so far.

[Mow]

Hmmm...

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
2007-05-10 15:40:07 1Hm8sD-0001DJ-HN SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:&lt;nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx&gt;: host mx00.uxxx.de [62.146.106.39]: 450 4.7.1 &lt;nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx&gt;: Recipient address rejected: You are greylisted for 300 seconds...
2007-05-10 15:40:07 1Hm8sD-0001DJ-HN == nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-44): SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:&lt;nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx&gt;: host mx01.udag.de [62.146.106.40]: 450 4.7.1 &lt;nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx&gt;: Recipient address rejected: You are greylisted for 300 seconds...
2007-05-10 15:53:55 1Hm8sD-0001DJ-HN == nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx routing defer (-51): retry time not reached
2007-05-10 16:23:56 1Hm8sD-0001DJ-HN =&gt; nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=mx00.uxxx.de [62.146.106.39]
2007-05-10 20:34:39 H=mail-in-13.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.53] F=&lt;nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx&gt; temporarily rejected RCPT &lt;Kxxxx@Exxxxx.de&gt;: greylisted.
2007-05-11 02:30:38 H=mail-in-13.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.53] F=&lt;nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx&gt; temporarily rejected RCPT &lt;Kxxxx@Exxxxx.de&gt;: greylisted.
2007-05-11 10:31:45 H=mail-in-13.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.53] F=&lt;nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx&gt; temporarily rejected RCPT &lt;Kxxxx@Exxxxx.de&gt;: greylisted.
2007-05-11 15:27:10 H=mail-in-05.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.45] F=&lt;nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx&gt; temporarily rejected RCPT &lt;Kxxxx@Exxxxx.de&gt;: greylisted.
2007-05-11 18:28:00 1HmXyK-0000L0-KR &lt;= nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx H=mail-in-05.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.45] P=esmtps X=TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32 DN="C=DE,ST=Hessen,L=Eschborn,O=Arcor AG und Co.KG,OU=Arcor Online GmbH,CN=mx.arcor.de" S=1602 id=2xxxxxxxxxxxxx.Cxxxxxxxxxx@mail-in-05.arcor-online.net
2007-05-11 22:04:28 H=mail-in-02.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.42] F=&lt;nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx&gt; temporarily rejected RCPT &lt;Kxxxx@Exxxxx.de&gt;: greylisted.
2007-05-11 22:30:29 H=mail-in-13.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.53] F=&lt;nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx&gt; temporarily rejected RCPT &lt;Kxxxx@Exxxxx.de&gt;: greylisted.
2007-05-12 00:27:45 1HmdaT-0000gB-2N &lt;= nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx H=mail-in-02.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.42] P=esmtps X=TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32 DN="C=DE,ST=Hessen,L=Eschborn,O=Arcor AG und Co.KG,OU=Arcor Online GmbH,CN=mx.arcor.de" S=1603 id=2xxxxxxxxxxxxx.3xxxxxxxxxx@mail-in-07.arcor-online.net
2007-05-12 10:30:18 H=mail-in-13.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.53] F=&lt;nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx&gt; temporarily rejected RCPT &lt;Kxxxx@Exxxxx.de&gt;: greylisted.
2007-05-12 14:06:27 H=mail-in-01.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.41] F=&lt;nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx&gt; temporarily rejected RCPT &lt;Kxxxx@Exxxxx.de&gt;: greylisted.
2007-05-12 16:39:23 1Hmskl-000236-J1 &lt;= nxxxxxx@kxxxxxx.nxxx H=mail-in-01.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.41] P=esmtps X=TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32 DN="C=DE,ST=Hessen,L=Eschborn,O=Arcor AG und Co.KG,OU=Arcor Online GmbH,CN=mx.arcor.de" S=1603 id=2xxxxxxxxxxxxx.Cxxxxxxxxxx@mail-in-09.arcor-online.net
</pre><hr />

seems that arcor has a bit buggy mail setup. They seems to send out every mail only after more than 4 hours. Then the greylisting ticket is not valid anymore. Also it seems to use different senders for the same mail.

Well, anyway, I got the information from Bluebird as you could see.

[Eldanesh]

We should organize some time when we all get online at once and get a whole bunch o turns done.

[lch]

Mow, I can switch back to the local sendmail if you like, I just thought the smtprelay by arcor might be more reliable.

Eldanesh, that's what I wish for all the games that I'm in, too, but I don't think it's too easy. Most of the times people are living in different timezones (US/Europe/Asia) and have duties and ligations which conflict with those that others might have. Waiting for the host to hand out the next turn can be very boring during the first 10 turns where nothing much happens, but you'll have to live with that. As soon as you get in contact with your neighbors it's going to get interesting. If the game moves too slow for you then you should join the #Dominions IRC channel on irc.gamesurge.net and look for people who want to play a blitz game with you.

[Lily]

I found it a bit hard to see where the boundaries lines between the provinces were drawn on the map as they were pretty faint, so I had a go at changing the contrast on the tga file. It seems to have worked quite well and the boundary lines are much clearer. I've attached the modified file in case it'd be of use to anyone else. You'll want to back up the existing parganos.tga so that it doesn't get overwritten by the new version.

Edit - the site seems to be really slow and I don't think the attachment works. It took about 10 minutes to get the post to appear so I'll try and fix the attachment when the site's running quicker.

[Bluebird]

Because of Ascension, I leave tomorrow morning and will only be back on Sunday evening. Probably some other will, too.

[lch]

Okay, in case the game hosts I will disable the timer until Sunday then.

[Eldanesh]

Ironically, I'm away for a while as well, probably until tuesday. Ich, Pm me about this, but could you cover for me?

[lch]

D'oh, could you download and play the turn while you're travelling? Otherwise I'll sub for you, I guess.

[Mow]

&gt; Mow, I can switch back to the local sendmail if you like, I just thought the smtprelay by arcor might be more reliable.

Its on you. I can just tell you that this setup is, well, not optimal.

Other: Seems that cupido2 is out of toun. I hoped to just can play one turn before I well be out till sunday too.

[lch]

I already switched to sendmail, in case you didn't notice, because the messages over the smtprelay to your server bounced back.

I haven't heard from cupido that he's going to take a time out, so I assume that he'll play his turn in time.
If that is in 30 hours then I won't turn off the timer, if it's today I'll extend the timer to allow the people that are out of town till Sunday to get their turns in.
I'll play for Eldanesh in case he isn't able to play the turn himself before the timer runs out.
I think the turn frequency in this game was quite good so far.

[Eldanesh]

If I don't have my turn done by the time it's needed to be done then ok, but I may be able to jack a 56 dial up LOL.

[lch]

Unless Eriu gets his turn in during the next couple of hours I'll extend the timer by 24 hours like announced earlier.

[lch]

Sorry, I forgot that it's my father's birthday today so I didn't get to stop the server before it hosted when returning home today.
But I have now restored the game to the turn before and restarted the server, so that Bluebird / Eriu has time to get his turn in.

[lch]

As per Eldanesh's request I will play his turn for Marignon unless he's going to do it himself in the next couple of hours.

[Eldanesh]

Yea, thanks for the turn, I'm back now.

[jutetrea]

Greetings all,

The board is quiet. Seems like some wars have already started, the southeast seems to be very active.

The north is tense as well.

Pangaea is praying mightily for the return of their God. A critical strike of 74 damage laid her low, the elite heroes led by Bogus are not to be trifled with. They have been banished from our realm with a stern talking to.

[Eldanesh]

I would just like to announce that I have a crapload of money.

[lch]

Uhh, spend it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif You're last on research and lacking in the other graphs other than income, too. You'd better buy some mages and go researching, site searching, forging etc. ...

[Eldanesh]

More like more priests. I'm magrinon for Pete's sake.. I want a 400 hit point god and 10 dominion in every province!

[Eldanesh]

It would seem that Eriu has been destroyed...

[Horst F. JENS]

I stopped to write a game-log and taking screenshots for an AAR... to much happens, and i spend far enough real time just writing diplomatic messages.

This is my first multiplayer game with Dom3, and i must admit it feels far more "real" than singleplayer... and also far more stressfull.
Wow. amazing game.

[Siever]

Horst F. JENS said:
This is my first multiplayer game with Dom3, and i must admit it feels far more "real" than singleplayer... and also far more stressfull.
Wow. amazing game.



I agree. Diplomacy gives a lot of satisfaction but is very difficult to manage and requires a lot of time

[lch]

I'm sorry to have to announce a bad thing (in my opinion): My host is changing from Linux based to Windows based. Not my decision and I can't do much about it, but let me tell you that I don't like it at all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif While it should be theoretically possible for me to get all the nice things back that I have right now (sendmail, webserver, don't know about cronjobs and multiplexers like screen) my trust in Windows as a serious multiuser system is quite low. I don't expect that it would be possible to login graphically (or otherwise?) with more than one connection, I have no idea. I will either try to get my stuff on the Windows system or else use a linux box that I am administrating at my office, or something.

If for some reason you can't connect to the game server anymore (because the DNS records will prolly be changed) then try the current IP: 88.198.59.162

If that doesn't work anymore, too, then I guess the game is on hiatus... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
I'll try to sort it out ASAP but as I wrote before, I'll be busy aswell.

If I know anything definitive I'll let you know.

[Bluebird]

Well - thanks for the game. Sat in the middle, played really bad and then also had a number of cases with bad luck. Have fun everybody ...

[Siever]

I will be on holidays for the whole next week, from monday 18th, and will be back on monday 25th.
I don't want stop the game, so if you can't wait me, I'll ask Ich if he can play my turns.

[lch]

Sorry, I'll be extremely busy during that time, too, so it'd be better if you get another person to sub for you. I'll create a post about it.

[lch]

Okay folks, the server switch is finished. The game is now up and running at valhalla.techno-mage.com with everything else staying the same. The timer has been reset, and I'm using nbsmtp instead of sendmail for now, so if you don't get the turn notifications via email anymore then send me a PM.

Big thanks to Gandalf Parker who is providing the host.

[Siever]

Well, nobody wants to sub me for a week.
I'll try to play my turns, but I don't know if I'll be able.

[lch]

Unless we find a sub, I can just turn off the timer for the week. Then the game will host when all the turns are in, including yours. I guess that'll be okay because usually the people do get their turns in in time in this game.

[lch]

I have stopped the timer for the game now. Siever, please put in your turns whenever you got time to do them, and report back when you're back from your trip.

[Siever]

I'm back and I put my turn.
Thanks for your patience.

[lch]

Okay, so I can turn the timer back on, I guess?

[Siever]

lch said:
Okay, so I can turn the timer back on, I guess?



OK

[lch]

Okay, the timer is on again. The first player has been eliminated from the game! I certainly didn't expect that Bluebird would be the first one out. Good luck to the others!

[Bluebird]

Ok, I am out - the first one to go. So much for a bonus for my side as being more experienced than the rest. I probably took the game to easy from the start.

Thanks for hosting, Ich, it was a pleasure. And everybody else, have a nice game. It was a lot of fun (and some frustration as well) for me.

[Mow]

Ich: Seems that the status page has a small problem...

[lch]

oops, yeah, thanks for telling me!

[jutetrea]

I may have asked previously, but I cannot find a link. Could someone please post the status page address.

Thanks

[lch]

It's sent to you with the email auto-notification on a new turn every time... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
http://valhalla.techno-mage.com/stats/stats.php?game=Newbies

You got about 8 hours left to do your turn.

[jutetrea]

er, duh? I also have a sneaking suspicion that I asked this question before and got the same answer. Deja Vu!

Thanks

[lch]

About 4 hours left on the timer with Machaka left to move. Should I reset the timer so that Lily can get her turn in? Her position seems rather futile, being overrun by three other nations, but she can still wreak some havoc before she goes down. And she might even make a miraculous comeback. (I've seen that happen in another game I've been in)

In case you don't want to play anymore and your position is helpless, please set yourself to AI. And if you need more time to do your turns, since you've arrived at turn 40 now, I can extend the timer a little bit. To 52 hours, for example.

[lch]

Nevermind, the game just hosted. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Lily]

I've just set myself to AI. Thanks for the game, all. Two of you I could just about hold off, but three... I think I did you all a fair bit of damage though on my way out. Pangaea probably took the least damage and gained by far the most though. Sneaky Pangaea.

[lch]

Hi, I noticed that three players staled last turn: Man, Pangea and R'lyeh. How come? It seems like the email notification is busted at the moment, is that the reason?

I got an email from one of my games some days ago which was dated over a year ago. Since this was odd I checked the server time, but it was okay. I think I am missing a number of turn notifications from the other games that I am hosting. Can't tell what it is exactly, I have no idea, sorry.

Should I prolong or turn off the timer for this game?

[jutetrea]

Yeah, somethings messed up. I could have sworn I submitted a turn. Shrug. I made one leetle error (sneaked when I didn't want to sneak) and now I'm disappointed with the whole game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Got my god killed...again.

So no worries on my part

[lch]

jutetrea said:
Yeah, somethings messed up. I could have sworn I submitted a turn.


Are you sure about that? I'll check my backups and redo the turn if necessary. Although that often leads to complications.

[lch]

Hmm, according to the backups you three played your last turn on Wednesday, while there was a hosting on Thursday. I don't have any trace of new turns from you, sorry. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[jutetrea]

I may have done it and just not submitted it, again, no worries at least on my part

[jutetrea]

as an FYI last turn I had and believed I submitted was 44. Thought I submitted it Friday.

I take it back, kind of a bummer as I'd set all my priests to call god, so missed a turn of priestly whining for their savior.

[Eldanesh]

Your God's corpse shouldn't be able to be revived because there are about 60 crossbow bolts stuck in her. It should work like the vampire and stakes...

[Eldanesh]

Err, we're at -8 hours now on the turn, and only Mow hasn't gone. I'm pretty sure he's never going to go anyway, please host.

[lch]

I'll contact him and ask if he wants to go to AI.

[Mow]

Sorry Foks, I missed the notifikation for the new turn.

Unfortunate I can only play this evening. Well, it will be one of my last turns.

[Eldanesh]

Aight.. I still don't have the new turn hosted though.

[lch]

I believe that he's at work now and will play his turn in a couple of hours.

[Horst F. JENS]

Dear fellow players,
i have no internet access at the moment (i sit in the public library) and will maybe miss some turns until internet get fixed in my home. please don't switch me to A.I.

[lch]

Okay, since I'm missing the turns from two other players, I'll reset the timer once today. Since Mow/Abysia only controls one unit, I have set him to AI now, too. In case your situation is this helpless please make yourself become computer controlled.

[Mow]

Hey, moment, I controll 3 units!

Well ok, I have no change to grow again. But I will stay there several rounds. :-)

Ok, was a short and nice game. Maybe I should not try to play a god as it is designed.

Thanks for the game.

[Eldanesh]

So did teh turn actually go or what? I'm confused.

[lch]

I had reset the timer for Man / Horst F. JENS so that he can take care of his internet trouble. I'll get a one-time sub now and hope that he finds back into the game after that.

[Eldanesh]

Aight, I may have to consult about a sub for next week.
oh and for the record having your prophet get too old sucks.

[Eldanesh]

Is it just me or is auto host off completely now? Sorry for complaining 8D. We are all done but it hasn't hosted. also Ich I would ask you to play another turn or 2 for me if you don't mind.

[Eldanesh]

Pm'ed u ich.

[lch]

Quick hosting is still on. Any news from Man?

So Eldanesh, you have not found a sub for you? I think I could play some turns in case you haven't.

[Eldanesh]

Yes, as I said before, I pm'ed you with some general instructions, thanks a million!

[lch]

Cupido staled last turn and could stale another one. Does anybody know what the trouble is? Is anybody with him in some other game? If he stales again I'm going to look for a sub. Man seems to have made it back into the game, at last.

[jutetrea]

I will be doing this turn and then possibly staling for the next. Wife is in labor, probably have the kid early tomorrow morning and then have to stay at the hospital for 2 days with no internet. Hopefully back Sunday.

Ich if you want to sub, go ahead or we can do whatever.

[lch]

Whoooooo, good luck with that and congratulations. Forget about the game, I'll take care that somebody plays your turn, don't worry.

[jutetrea]

Thanks man, contractions are at about 7 min apart now, so the hospital should be imminent.

[cupido2]

Sorry for my stale turns. I went spontaneous on vacation over the weekend and after that I simply forgot my Dominion games. (Never thought this could happen...)

[Eldanesh]

I am back now btw. I case Ich didn't notice, I managed to get 2 of 3 turns done while I was away, despite having internet in 5 minute intervals...

[lch]

Yeah, I noticed that somebody botched up my turn and cancelled all the remote site searchings that I had set in place all right... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif I have since waited if you'd play the turn yourself before the timer runs out. Good to hear you're back.

[cupido2]

Is the server down?

[jutetrea]

Think I'm going to go AI unless someone wants to put forth the effort of finding a sub or unless Ich wants to take it over.

[lch]

I was travelling at that time, didn't have net access that often and even forgot my password for the board... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I have removed the nations which were defeated or turned AI from the turn notification script. In case you drop out and don't want to receive the emails any longer, please send me a PM or just reply back to the notification email for that.

[Horst F. JENS]

Hello, as said before i have let another player continue to play man. what must i do so that he get the email notifications of a new turn instead of me ?

Sorry for not be able to play any more, but i have a busy time ahead of me.
It was very cool playing with you. I never imagined that multiplayer can be so much fun.
greetings,
-Horst

[Cor2]

Hi I am taking over for Horst. There is alot for me to catch up on. Spent about an hour and a half on this last turn.

[lch]

Horst F. JENS said:
Hello, as said before i have let another player continue to play man. what must i do so that he get the email notifications of a new turn instead of me ?


I already changed it. I saw your request and Cor's reply, I was about to send your password to Cor myself but decided against it, since it's still your nation.


Horst F. JENS said:
Sorry for not be able to play any more, but i have a busy time ahead of me.
It was very cool playing with you. I never imagined that multiplayer can be so much fun.
greetings,
-Horst


No problem, end games can be very very difficult to prepare, especially when you're in a good position. Takes loads of time. I have to say, I pictured you as one of the weakest nations when I monitored the game (the first 20-25 turns) but your excessive use of diplomacy seem to have paid off well. You really knew how to use it to the fullest extend.

[Eldanesh]

Dang kids and their allies.

[Siever]

Thanks to Horst F.JENS for this very enjoyable game and welcome to Cor.


lch said:
your excessive use of diplomacy seem to have paid off well



Yes, that's what I learned in my first long MP: diplomacy is most powerful weapon

[Cor2]

Hmmm, nobody wants to talk on this forum? sad.

[cupido2]

Hmm I'm not very often at the forum and I don't know what to write at the moment. Except that it's a real pain to get rid of Marignon's dominion.

[Cor2]

Yeah. I have been wondering what was going on with Margi.
I dont see any provinces belonging to her. But wow is she resiliant.

[lch]

Since this game is past 100 turns, I just want to make sure: Is the timer setting okay for you guys?

[Siever]

48h is OK for me

[Cor2]

48 sounds good.

[Cor2]

Wow. there have been some serious clashes between Man and Tein Chi. Man has come out on top for most of them. hope you had some scouts so you could see these epic battles.

[cupido2]

Either my scouts have jingles on their clothes and a sign at their back reading "R'LYEH SCOUT! KILL ME!" or Marignon and Tien Chi have really good patrols. The moment they set foot in other provinces they are slaughtered.

[Cor2]

cupido2 said:
Either my scouts have jingles on their clothes and a sign at their back reading "R'LYEH SCOUT! KILL ME!" or Marignon and Tien Chi have really good patrols. The moment they set foot in other provinces they are slaughtered.



I noticed that myself, they both have an insane love of PD.

[Cor2]

Seiver, i am sorry. I feel kinda bad about the nastiness I am throwing your way.

[Cor2]

Ouch, i dont feel quite so bad anymore.

[lch]

The long awaited patch 3.10, which fixes and adds tons of things (http://ulm.illwinter.com/dom3/dom3progress.html) (everything from 28th april to now), has been released yesterday. I'll update (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Illwinter/Dom3/6.htm) ASAP. You should continue to play your current turn with the 3.08 client and switch to 3.10 after I'm done. So download the patch files and stay tuned. Only update your client in case it tells you that your game version is too old when you connect to the game!

[cupido2]

Is Marignon still playing? It seems he has already stalled two turns...

[Cor2]

I was wonderin that myself. Its mid terms for me so turns might be slow from me too. I don't think i will need an extension.

[lch]

I'll try to find a sub for Marignon.

[Cor2]

Marginion might as well just be set to AI, Its barely there.

[lch]

Done that. Have fun deciding the game between you three.

[cupido2]

At last I defeated Marignon. What a chore. Now I can concentrate on T'ien Chi. The next chore...

[Cor2]

Tien Chi is crumbling like a errr poorly constructed house made of ummm sand and ummm bugs. Yeah thats it. Sand and bugs.

I mean really who would build a house out of that anyway?

[Cor2]

ouchies!

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa92/allothernamestakenreally/Resultsnewbie.png

[lch]

It seems like Hotmail is now blocking my turn notification mails across every site they have (.it aswell as .com etc.). If you can, please whitelist my sending address so that these aren't filtered out as spam, or get a better email provider which supports that (and doesn't treat it as spam).

[Cor2]

Hotmail sucks.

Anyway,
1) congratulations to Teinchi who fought overwealming odds and watched his empire collapse But had the strength of resolve to not go AI. kudos
2) With Teinchi being all but eliminated the two superpowers must decide who the ONE true god is. Hostilites will begin in two rounds from now.
3) I believe that Ryleh will want a week long hosting pause do to a vacation. I agree to the pause, if it is requested.

[lch]

Cor2 said:
3) I believe that Ryleh will want a week long hosting pause do to a vacation. I agree to the pause, if it is requested.


No problem. I haven't heard anything like that yet, to please keep me updated in case he risks running out of time. I can alternatively just turn off the timer.

[cupido2]

I'd like to say that Tien Chi is not dead yet (but soon). And he is fighting to the end like Marignon did. That's the spirit.

As Cor2 said I will be on vacation from Tuesday to Saturday so I would like to request to turn off the timer from Tuesday to Friday.

[Cor2]

Gack! the global which shall not be named has been cast. I am screwed.

[cupido2]

Be at ease. I don't know what I'm doing. Actually it's the first time ever I cast that one (I never came so far to research a magic path up to level 9 in any of my games).

[BigJMoney]

If you guys start a new game, can I join? I've played in a MP game before, but I got my butt kicked, so I need to play with other newbs, lol.

=$= Big J Money =$=

[lch]

Cor2 said:
Gack! the global which shall not be named has been cast. I am screwed.


Are these two independent statements? Because all globals can be dispelled. And "that global" is not as uncontrollable with only two players left in the game.

[lch]

BigJMoney said:
If you guys start a new game, can I join? I've played in a MP game before, but I got my butt kicked, so I need to play with other newbs, lol.


You want to create a new Newbies game? Sure, I can always do that, when it's a vanilla game I won't have trouble to set it up. I'll create a new thread.

[Siever]

Well, T'ien Ch'i is gone.
It was a very enjoyable game: 127 turns in firing line, always at war.
Thanks to everyone for the fun play and thanks especially to lch for the hosting.

[Cor2]

Thanks Siever, well fought!

[cupido2]

Fighting to the last man! Thanks Siever!

[BigJMoney]

lch said:
You want to create a new Newbies game? Sure, I can always do that, when it's a vanilla game I won't have trouble to set it up. I'll create a new thread.



Yes, please. Thanks.

[Aapeli]

Me me I want to join. Never palyed a multiplayer yet. Any age you like.

[Eldanesh]

I'm in as long as it's the new version

[lch]

Okay, those who expressed their interest, please sign up here: http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Number=559453

[cupido2]

o.k. I'm back from my holidays.

[Cor2]

oops i still have not taken my turn, i will do that after work tonight!

[cupido2]

Ouch! Damn Tartarian monsters. Slaughering my troops trying to avoid them.
And poor R'lyeh hyper death mage... exhausted itself too much. Sigh. There goes the items I forged with so much love and so many expectations. Doesn't Undead Mastery enslave ALL undead units on the battlefield. I cite the manual: "That means AAAALL of them". My nice little cunning plan backfired a bit...
O.k. let's think of something other...

[lch]

cupido2 said:
Doesn't Undead Mastery enslave ALL undead units on the battlefield.


Only if they fail their MR check. And the battlefield wide spells are always "easily resistable" when it comes to that.

[Cor2]

Holy crap! how many of those master enslavers do you have?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Injured.gif

[cupido2]

For each one killed I create two new ones. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif
And for every wolf killed I create 4 new master enslavers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif


FFS! These lands are sprawling with Tartarian monsters! Aaaaargh! And that guy complains about the casual master enslaver!

[Cor2]

LOL

[cupido2]

I have another question: Those ethereal PD of yours... are they part of the Fata Morgana global?

[Cor2]

Yep. You should dispel that with haste, yeah?

[cupido2]

Hmmmmm... we'll see about that Fata Morgana...
at least a victory in the kingdom of Dhana and in the north where my paratroopers can maraude a bit until they get caught by one of the 2000 Tatarian monsters...

[Cor2]

Yeah, most players only use one or two tartarins. I use Legions! mah mah mah!

[cupido2]

Just you wait!

[Cor2]

Hmmm all is quiet on the southern front. how odd.

[cupido2]

Don't you know it's Christmas? My men are celebrating the birthday of their god. They're visiting their familys, have a feast on the mind of the poor people unlucky enough to live in my realm, sacrifice childern by pushing them into the Void Gate and Hastur, the goat with the 1000 childern and Yog-Shiggurath walk the streets and sing songs of the Old Ones and the black planet. Happy Nfga'hafta'ghn!

[Cor2]

Well at least they are haveing a good time.

Hey, you haven't met my new Tartarians yet have you?

[cupido2]

Sigh, there went my newest anti-tartarian-experiment kabloom.

New Tartarians? You really need more Tartarians? I don't know... Well I'm looking forward to make aquintance with them.

[Cor2]

I hope you enjoy your new artifact. I wasn't really using it anyway :weep: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif

[cupido2]

I have a new artifact? The Infernal sword? Was useless against your Tartarian. The poor assassin died the death 10000 of my men died before. At least his death was not as quick.

[lch]

We now have some live graphs for this MP game:
http://valhalla.techno-mage.com/scores/scoresgraphs.php?game=Newbies

More info in the Scenarios, Maps and Mods forum (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Number=564561).

[cupido2]

Wow cool. Thanks Ich. But still... I think they are just propaganda from Man. I mean, look at them! It's an insult for the nation of R'lyeh! Another little scheme of Man to undermine the morale of the starspawns! If I lose this game it's because of you Ich! (Wooohooo! I've found a scapegoat!)

[Cor2]

neat graph, thanks!

[lch]

Hah, okay, those graphs are scaled in a really strange way. They look like Man would be crushing R'lyeh in everything, as if R'lyeh is short from becoming extinguished. Only after looking at the raw numbers one can see that the difference is not as great as the graphs seem to indicate, they're lying. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Cor2]

I have a plan!

[cupido2]

Hey! That's cheating! It's forbidden to have plans! I dare you! Don't even think about it!

[cupido2]

Thanks for the new format of the graphs, Ich http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I'm much more confident now (even though Cor has a plan (hope it backfires miserably)).

[Cor2]

stage one of my plan complete! Muh haha!

[cupido2]

Stage 1? I hoped that was the whole plan... I wasn't too happy with the the-spell-that-shall-not-be-named anyway, but I feel a bit uncomfortable now. What is Cor up to? Will R'lyeh after playing over 6 month survive turn 155 or will it be beaten by a substitute player who inherited the kingdom of Man? Is there a way to kill a Tartarian monster? Why the heck are there 400 water elementals in that sea provinces of his? Why are those darn phantasmal warriors so strong and aren't dispelled by the eye of the void? Where have my gems gone?! So many questions!

[Cor2]

Not to happy? The spell that shall not be named (TSTSNBN) is giving me hundreds of gems! its awesome! 5 turns ago I was convinced you had won. Now I think i have a slight edge. We will see.

[cupido2]

HUNDREDS? What kind of trickery is this? I got measly 4 to 40 a turn! With the cost to cast it I haven't made a big deal I think...
Well since the appearance of the Tartarian plague I was convinced that YOU had won.

[lch]

Hundreds of gems over multiple turns, maybe... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

The reason you didn't get much out of the Nexus was that Cor2 had to hold back on doing anything that required gems. Now that yours is down and his is up, he can freely spend all those gems that he has been storing up for so long.

But yeah, I am kinda amazed how Cor2 thinks that he has only a slight advantage in this game. Ever since you're the only two nations left, Man definitely has a lot of aces on his side, what with the elemental queens, Tartarians, unique items etc.

[Cor2]

lch said:
The reason you didn't get much out of the Nexus was that Cor2 had to hold back on doing anything that required gems. Now that yours is down and his is up, he can freely spend all those gems that he has been storing up for so long.




Yep that is it in a nutshell. I spent nearly zero gems teh whole time it was up. It really crammped my style, but now I am free!

I will be happy after the game to disscuss at length why I thought I was slowly losing, it made sence to me anyway.

[cupido2]

SHHHHHHHHHH Ich!!! You don't have to push him on that!!! Gnarf! Now he'll come for me!!!

[cupido2]

Is the server down?

Don't be shy Cor, you are under friends, discuss your thoughts about losing now.

[Cor2]

Now I have to take back all those lands. Your very agressive recently http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

[cupido2]

I have to take what I can as long as I can.

I'm getting a bit nervous over the recent changes and all that talk about gem-hoarding, hundreds and hundres of gems due to the STSNBN, elemental queens, the strange fact that all those Tartarians suddenly vanished and The Chalice that went "poof"... Wondering what horrors will march out of the deserts Man calls his home. I suppose a Tartarian army...

[Cor2]

You suppose correctly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. I see you have some Tartarians as well. Welcome to the Tartarian wars!

I love that what ever you do I get gems for it, its so neat!

[cupido2]

Aaah here they come, in raw numbers, to see if R'lyeh is a coward.

Not for all I do. There's nothing to win from astral spells (if I read the manual correctly).

[lch]

Yup, astral and blood don't add up to it.

[cupido2]

Ouch! I'll never underestimate an air queen again. Damn that hurt a lot.

Well, I think I'm done for... but I try to kill as many of those Manlings as I can before the Void gate is shut forever.

[Cor2]

I do sence the tipping point comming, but it can be averted.

This game is alot of fun, hope your enjoying it.

[cupido2]

What the heck are you afraid of? (Well I have one more plan. Wonder what will happen...) Ich can you tell me, how I can avoid my downfall?

In all the games that I was in, this is the one I learned most. The biggest victories in battles, the biggest defeats in battles, the biggest fun with plans that worked and the biggest frustrations with plans that looked good on paper but failed.

[Cor2]

Well, you know what they say, another turn, another three tartarians.

By the way I was inspired by one of your tactics, Cupido. You should be seeing it soon.

[cupido2]

Is Wolf-spamming really a tactic?

[Cor2]

A very interesting turn of events. I did not expect this in the least... I have to do some re-planning. Is that a word? oh well.

Well played! And stealing the chalice was perfect. Kudos.
I am glad I started a blood economy, looks like it will come in handy.

[cupido2]

I hope your spellcasters died by the dozens.
Revenge for the battle in Freightan Heights (or how that province was called...)!
I'm still not sure what happend there exactly. Turned my flying Tartarians against my army?? I watched it twice but couldn't figure out what was happening.

[Cor2]

I had a crone casting charm. She charmed both the manticores. They didn't really stand a chance against a fully kitted tartarian anyway.

Thus far no spell casters have died, but I am a very cautious player. It certainly has cramped my style. The scary part is I have no idea how the spell works, i just know i am safe if i cast no spells.

[Cor2]

Undead horde anyone?

[cupido2]

I think those undeads are my smallest problem (though they wasted my anti-tartarian-sleeper-experiment... sigh. That was my own fault to let them stand in that province). But have you noticed? I killed 2 of your Tartarians. Hooray! Only 24 to go.

[Cor2]

I know your hiding Tartarians, I saw them. Send them out to play.

I missed your anti-tart sleeper experiment. I should pay more attention. youll have to tell me all about it after teh games over. i am interested in all teh tactics that you tried vs tarts.

As a sad note a possibly an exploitable piece of info fro you, one of my Air Queens is now a troll. A troll with old age, nonetheless. Talk about a demotion.

[cupido2]

Aaah not yet... they're a bit shy. You'll see them early enough.

Well, can't tell you much about the efficency of my sleeper experiment because you wasted it... the other experiment I wasted myself when I was blundering into your air queen. HA! Serves her right, that old hag! That will teach her to wear stolen pebble skin suits!

Oh wow... the Horror Abomination of Desolation showed up.. are there unique horrors?

[Cor2]

Oh yeas very very nasty unique horrors. I finally got to see the Maker of Ruins last round. Its soo badass.

[cupido2]

Hmmm I'm even more done for now as I was before. My valiant god defeated the Abomination of Desolation, then Kurgi but got feeble-minded and then came Agos and gave him the rest. Good bye Huakar. We will miss you.

[Cor2]

That was a totally vicious tartarian battle!
Awesome!

You really crippled most of them and I lost an artifact. It was a Pyrric victory.

[cupido2]

Oh no. My Tartarians lost the battle? NOOOOOOO. I needed them to kill the other 20 of yours... All is lost.
(Can't wait to watch the battle, I am still in the office.)

Btw I think all that I had to do against your tartarians was sending my god in a high dominion province of mine. If he fared that well against those creepy horrors he could have had a good chance against 2 or 3 of your tartarians...

[cupido2]

Clash of the Titans
Hmmm wasn't very happy with that fight. Somehow the shroud-wearers weren't blessed... very bad for them. And all stood just around... hmmmmmmmm
O.k. here comes the next tartarian horde!

[Cor2]

I am going to need that grail back now, thanks.

[cupido2]

Sorry, I need it.
Stealing seems to be common in this game. It should be renamed "Grand Theft Chalice".

[Cor2]

Lol. That chalice is a hot commodity. Lets just trade it back and forth every turn.

[cupido2]

Or we make an agreement against cruelty and act as idols for other games:

Treaty

We, the noble nations of Man and R'lyeh agree hereby to the following points

1)Weapons of massdestruction like the Tartarians and the items that support the weapons of massdestruction like the Chalice and the Aegis are considered unmoral and inhuman and are herefor banned.

2) Slavery is considered a crime against humanity so all blood slaves have to be freed within 1 turn.

3) Weapons, skills or magic that mingles with the mind of beeings, be they living or undead, like Master enslave or charm are considered as slavery and are herefor forbidden.

4) The right for life and propriety is granted. Only artifical and mindless beeings are allowed to fight in battles. All artifacts found or obtained from the opponent have to be given back at once.

5) The civil population must stay untouched under all circumstances. Every spell or artifact that harms the population of a province and all pillaging and blood hunting is strictly forbidden.

R'lyeh: Man:
Basalt citadel, the 566/3435/49 AD Place/date

+Haukar (sign here)

[Cor2]

Hmm. While this is brilliant. We must refuse. Although we really like #3 we are in contrvention of all the rest. I believe that Man's total count of constructs is around 30. It would make for a very short war. On the other hand we suspect that Rlyeh has a huge stockpile of Golems.

This is a holy war after all. It will decide the fate of all living things on the world for the rest of eternity (or until dominions 4 comes out). Any maens are justified.
*rips up document* This is total war!

[cupido2]

What an offence! And that before Christmas! I hope Santa reads this this forums! I declare myself the moral winner!! Hooray! (Whew he seems to have 30 more constructs than I have.)

O.k. next proposal: We settle this matter like the noble barbarians did. You wish for a deathmatch and we both send our best warrior to the fight. The one that wins, wins the war. No unnecessary bloodshed.

[lch]

O.k. next proposal: We settle this matter like the noble barbarians did. You wish for a deathmatch and we both send our best warrior to the fight. The one that wins, wins the war. No unnecessary bloodshed.


I'd like to see that! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Cor2]

The trial by combat idea wouldn't work because I have the Champion's trident already. That commander has to go and he is far from my best.

I say we trade the chalice until someone runs out of gems, its mine next.

Are you tired of the game? you can always concede. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

[cupido2]

Would discarding the trident work?

No, no, don't get me wrong. I always fight to the end of a game (even in that game where I was Lanka and my only province for about 20 turns was a swamp with 0 income, lol, that teaches you modesty), I just try to win by all the means I have (diplomacy is all that you left me).

Btw I read a thread about communions and didn't get it what was written there. I remember that in my first mp (where you were Arco and I Abysia) you used those communions. So, how does that work exactly and how is that secret magic buff calculated?

[Cor2]

For ever 4 (i think may be 5 or 6) communicants the effective path level of the master raises by one. It will not be shown in the battle but it will have an effect on strength of spells as well a fatigue that is accumulated.

The fatiuge from the master is spread out among communicants ( the master will still get a little fatigue). It is very easy to kill the communion slaves from fatigue. So its better to have alot of slaves and only one or two masters.

Any personal effect spell that is cast by the master (such as twist of fate or fire shield) effects the communicants as well.

Communicants will cast spells if they act before the master so its best to script them to do nothing.

Is that what you wanted to know? Does that make sense?

Discarding the trident by suicide would work.
I will think about it. I do have a contender or two.

[cupido2]

Yes, thank you. Just two more questions: So it doesnt matter what magic path the slaves have to increase all the master's path? Is it possible to have let's say normal commander or scouts without magic paths to be slaves and the master's spell level is still increasing?

Oh, you can't throw the trident away normally?
Well, we could of course change the prize for an arena deathmach win. How about the warranty of keeping the Chalice for 5 rounds? (Hmmm does poking out the eyes of a commander make him immune to the Aegis?)

[lch]

Cor2 said:
For ever 4 (i think may be 5 or 6) communicants the effective path level of the master raises by one. It will not be shown in the battle but it will have an effect on strength of spells as well a fatigue that is accumulated.


I don't think it was a linear increase, but like 2 for +1, 4 for +2, 8 for +3 or so, but I'm not so sure. Look it up.

[cupido2]

Oh my, it's written in the manual! I should look things up before I ask stupid questions.

[Cor2]

Your totally right, Ich. i forgot about the liner increase.

Cupido, You let me keep the chalice? Whats the matter?

Communions are uberpowerful. You should totally be doing them as a strong astral nation.

I wonder if empowerment attracts horrors...

As for your offer. I decline,for now. You still have alot of fight left in you I am sure.

[cupido2]

Yes, I leave the chalice to you. For now. I cannot win a battle of the gems right now.

lol, I drowned your commander together with the succubus that secuced him. Can happen when the capitol is underwater... My vassals are so loyal, they even drown themselves for me.

Btw: I empowered one of my commanders and no horror showed up. Perhaps just luck, perhaps it doesn't draw horrors.

[Cor2]

Actually it can happen with or without a water nation. Its a known bug. Best thing you can do is give her a water breathing ring or something.

Thanks for the chalice. I will put it to good use. I wonder how many gems have been spent to control this thing this game! at least 1000?

Clearly its the best artifact.

[cupido2]

Yep, already forged those rings.

It's surely the best artifact when you massproduce Tartarians.

Omg what happend in that strange fight between your Tartarian and my Demon lord? Those undead just butchered both of them. lol.

[lch]

Happy birthday Cor.

[Cor2]

Thanks Ich and cupido! I have nothing better to do on my birthday than lurk on this forum, which makes me the coolest person in the world. hehe.

Those sucubi are nasty. good assasins.

It was the lich that the demon lord was trying to corrupt. the tartarian was a bodyguard for the lich. the demon lord charmed the tart and thats why it was killed by an undead horde. Then I made a mistake and removed the ring of regen from the lich after the move order so he stayed behind and was killed. Luckily he is immortal. Still the loss of 65 gems worth of items hurts.


The battle between my undead gods escaped from hell and your monsters of the neither void was something to watch. It would make a great novel. BTW that is how you pwn a bogus, ouch! Thats what he gets the traitor! And the insane raged tartarian was perfect! so funny.