Armadillo - started

[Kristoffer O]

- Aha, the Lawgiver hear the trembling of a frightened Caelum. Soon you will be devoured as well!

- Please ignore the voice of the horror that calls you from the broken tomb. The priests of Mictlan has no ill will towards your proud nation. The horror from the crypt is in no position to devour your nation.

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Hmm, is it common to ask for subs? I see your point about me playing several nations 30 turns, but there is also a point of me continuing. I have never played a game which lasted more than 60 turns IIRC. It was long time since I played MP and I hae always played with victory conditions. Either VP's or cumulative VP's (my personal favourite). So it is quite educational playing with more powerful spells than I'm used to. I have never faced a tartarian, only seen arcane nexus and utterdark in dom-ppp, where research was quicker. I also tended to play with slow research in dom2, to avoid the great impact of magic.

I intend to focus on MA Ulm next. Quantum Mechanic invited me for blizing this weekend. I will most likely be there (although it might depend on if JK returns from India). Feel free to join for some gaming and IRCing (which I'm not very used to http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ).

[Kristoffer O]

Hmm, I'm still not entirely comfortable using the patch, at least not against my current enemies.

I think I will do as follows: I will avoid from using the patch in my current wars and give the rest of you knowledge of what has been altered, so you can prepare, should you feel inclined to attack me.

Heroes: two shape shifting coatls, one with 3N3S3P2F and one 3N3S3P2A. Unlikely to appear, since my scales are unlucky.

Sky Priest: 2A2P flying, 160g, home only.
Mictlan priest: FWNS random -> FAWNS random

Jade Serpent: Sacred summon. 2W, Conj 4, 5 gems, about as powerful a sea serpent, but no fear, can enter water, sacred.

Eagle Warriors: Something will happen to eagle warriors. Either loose home only, or switch home only with jaguar warriors. Compensates MA a bit for not having easy access to sacred demon fliers. A bit worried that it is too powerful though. They are pretty offensive with heavy blesses.

Moon warrior: Nonsacred heavy (by mictlan standards) elite infantry. Scale hauberk, 2h obsidian sword, 50 darkvision, 12 MR. No ranged weapon. Recruitable anywhere.

I'm thinking about possible changes on the Coatl, but nothing so far. I have an idea of separating the coatl of Mictlan from the c'tissian one.

[llamabeast]

Oops, I staled again (I'm subbing for my old nation of Atlantis since Remmy has disappeared). Sorry, major error! I'm getting unusually confused since the e-mails are still set to go to Remmy's address. Think I will switch it back to me, since he shows no signs of reappearing.

PS Mictlan stuff sounds great, and I have no concerns about it at all. Thanks so much for working on it!

[Kristoffer O]

Horror!

The hopes of Mictlan might forever have been crushed! The Saviour is nom More! Great GrayZ, the Rider of Clouds is riding clouds no more, destroyed by the monstrosity from the grave, Prince of Pestilence. We are now without divine guidance and unable but to follow the lead the Persecutor and Destroyer of Youth.

Totl now treads the red carpet prepared for Him Who Was at the Center, He Who Is no More, rmemembered be His name.

All Hail Totl, Lord of Light, Enemy of Darkness!

[Meglobob]

I am out all day tomorrow, so can I request a 6 hr or so extension, ie host at 2200 hrs instead of the current 1600 hrs?

I should be able to do my turn then.

[Kristoffer O]

OK

[Valerius]

Hosting for turn 45 has been delayed by 7 hours. New hosting time is 23:00 Monday.

[llamabeast]

The gracious Aethyr will now be playing Atlantis. The nation will be reinvigorated, and all will tremble at the name. Muwahaha!

PS Apologies again that I didn't carry on playing. First game I've ever dropped out of - I just got a big bogged down and really wanted to avoid it becoming a job. Have a good game guys - and if I were you I would fear Totl! (I love your posts Kristoffer http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ).

[Kristoffer O]

We also fear him!

The apparition seems to have allied with independent necromancers. Two months ago his first dreaded minion arrived with a horde of soulless Mictlan peasants, the hapless victims of his Ill will. The evil mage now resides in our capital where he has entered the Tomb of Totl to cast a great spell upon himself, uttering a promise not to die as long as Totl leads the world to darkness.

Last month another necromancer arrived at the gates of one of Great GrayZ's castles, denying his retreating troops access to the safety of the walls, effectivelt crushing his entire army and the Righteous, the Mighty, the Unconquered Cu Chulainn, prophet of the Earth Monster, slayer of Totls enchanted Minions; between the hammer of Totl's mictlan slaves and his evil necromancer minion.

If your lands has been attacked by independent necromancers, you must be aware that it is not a random event. It is surely the malice of the Prince of Pestilence that haunts your lands. Ill luck has come to us as well as our enemies. As spoken by Saturn:
Mine are the maladies that kill with cold
The dark deceits, the strategms of old.

[Hadrian_II]

R'lyeh has fallen, the evil Lizards of C'tis crushed our last fighting army. As this message is written, all remaining starspawns are fleeing this land into the deap sea of the great ocean.

It was a good game, as long as it lasted, and the next time i will play rlyeh, i will make sure that i will be able to mind hunt.

[Amhazair]

And so the world is rid from an unspeakable menace from beyond, and the golden age under the wise and farseeing leadership of Sankriss, God of Invincible Power, He Who Is at the Center, Prince of Excellence, Bringer of Misfortune, God of Patience draws ever closer.

The surviving population of the sadly demised nation will be given the opportunity to give a positive meaning to their existence, and will be allowed to join the construction crews who will be erecting great Ziggurats in honor of The Divine One. Those who prove hardy enough to adapt to the live in our hot and humid swamps are surely greatly blessed, and will be allowed to serve the Priests of C'tis until the day of their death.

[Amhazair]

Heh? When did the hosting time change back to an earlier hour from 23.00 GMT? Here I was, playing my turn in no particular rush, and then manage to send it in 15 minutes after hosting, thinking I had 2 hours to spare http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

(yeah, yeah, I know, I could have paid attention to the mails delivering my turns, I know. I just hadn't expected the hour to change without announcement. Does this program actually following the quickhosting procedure? I was convinced it didn't do that, and only hosted at the appointed time. )


Luckily this wasn't the most crucial time to stale a turn, though it's allways annoying of course. But in any case I'd like to request a few hours extension on next turn (23.00 GMT again should do I guess), since I won't be able to play my turn in the early evening tomorrow.

[llamabeast]

It's a genuine quickhost. I guess maybe that hasn't been noticeable because a couple of nations have been staling for most of the game. Sorry it caused you to stale.

[Amhazair]

Ah, well... it happens.

Besides, I should give my poor fellow players some chance, right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Meglobob]

Should we perhaps move the game to permanent 48hr quickhost? Its near turn 50 now, hard to do your turn every 24hrs without fail.

We have done great so far, fastest game ever, no need to spoil it with stales in the end game.

[Amhazair]

You're right, it has gone fast. Might have something to do with the crowded map, maybe? Or not. Anyhows, I won't object to 48h, though until now I haven't had troubles with the pace, so for now either way is fine with me.

Also: G'night, mateys! My hammock is calling me.

[Valerius]

Ok, turn 47 hosting has been delayed four hours to 23:55 GMT Wednesday.

It seems reasonable to go to 48 hour quickhost. If no one objects I'll make the change for turn 48.

[Kristoffer O]

I'm for 48 quickhost. My vacation is about to end.

I find myself spending about 2 h on a turn. Probably because I still have vacation, but I don't think I could get them down below 1 h, unless I rushed them through. I might be a bit of a micromanager, but still ...

How do people manage to play more than one or two games at the same time by the way? Don't people have better things to do than play dominions http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I'm quite impressed with the speed of the game. Sad that there were some stalers.

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I want to thank you all for the game, before any more turns AI or leaves. I've had a very good time so far. It has brought the joy of dominions back http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I haven't played for so long, I almost had forgotten how fun the game can be. I have also learned a lot, and gotten useful inspiration.

Is anyone here interested in AAR's or sum ups, look at my turns afterwards or something? I wouldn't mind sharing or looking at others turns when the game is over. I still have my .trn files from the last 20 turns or so in my mail.

Unfortunately, I have gotten rid of my first 20 or so. A bit of a pity, since they were quite crucial for my currrent developments. So a it wouldnt be a very good AAR.

[GameExtremist]

Cheers Kristoffer O, it has been a pleasure and honour to be able to play in the same game as you, although I haven't bumped into the Lawgiver yet I have enjoyed the RP surrounding him.

Thanks again.

[Aethyr]

KO--

I am sorry to see you go. Just finished reading the thread last night to get muself up to speed, and I found myself reading the Lawgiver's words again and again. Hope we meet again soon.

Methinks that even a being from the Celistial Sphere such as I could learn much from such a one...

[Kristoffer O]

I'm not leaving, I just wanted as many players as possible to hear my thoughts, before they suffer the ill will of the Lawgiver and leave the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I'll stay to flay Atlantian hides http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Kristoffer O]

I've checked again, I actually have some early turns in my mail, so it might be possible to write or share some thoughts. Not sure it the turns are the more interesting ones, I will have to check when the game draws to en and for the Lawgiver (or the world http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ).

[llamabeast]

Glad to hear you've enjoyed the game so far Kristoffer. Getting you keen on the game is very good news for us! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

An AAR would be awesome too. There are actually very few of them around, oddly.

[Amhazair]

Well, I'll be...

You'll probably have noticed from the ruckus I raised yesterday that I managed to stale my turn... more or less. Here's the story of what really happened:

I played my turn without being in any rush, finished it, and mailed it to the server. Then I went into the kitchen, grabbed an apple, ate it, (estimated time: 3-4 minutes) and came back to the computer to check my gmail, where I found out the latest turn had already been sent. I cursed, I checked the latest messages, and noticed that the hosting wasn't scheduled at 23.00 anymore. So I came to the forums to vent, and then crawled into bed.

Today I download the new turn (and bemoan my bad luck about just missing the host once more), and after a quick peek at the forums start up dominions and the Armadillo game.

Where I notice that all my orders have been given. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

So... I appologise to all of you for the loud noises I made, and props to Llama, for running the server that hosts quicker than his shadow. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Or at least quicker than my numb brain can comprehend, apparently.

[Aethyr]

This message is sent as a courtesy, and out of respect for my predecessor who I am proud to name “friend”.

To my allies: all existing agreements with the nation of Atlantis will be honored for as long as those worthy beings desire. My allies need not fear.

To all the rest: I come.

While my beloved waves are and shall ever be my home, I come. You may think yourselves safe because I am not (at present) on your border. Do not be a fool. Just as the sea spray rises invisibly into heaven to later fall as rain upon all lands, so shall my armies fall upon your nations. Oceania’s time is almost done. I come.

Lawgiver, the waves whisper your name. I can scarce believe what they say. We have prepared a special place for you, down in the deep where sunlight is but a myth. Soon, yes very soon, you shall be our special guest. Yessssss.

I come

[Amhazair]

Aethyr said:
the sea spray rises invisibly into heaven to later fall as rain upon all lands

Where they form the beloved swamps that are our home and wherin our people thrive.


Aethyr said:so shall my armies fall upon your nations.

Where they will be gratefully received. The proud nation of C'tis is ever looking for more workers to raise Ziggurats in the name of Sankriss, God of Invincible Power and So Many Other Titles it Would Take an Army of Scribes to Write Them All Down. Yes, you will be made welcome.

[Meglobob]

I am sure everyone knows this but just in case, the next turn is due tonight at midnight, it says Saturday but only because its the very first minute in Saturday.

Don't want anyone to accidently stale... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[GameExtremist]

Well it's time for me to go (Arco)....I'll post my files to Valerius as he's the games host....I've had no luck so far looking for a sub in my looking for subs thread. Sorry about the departure, but I'm embarking on a 3400km journey in a few hours and theres no DSL where I'm headed.

Cheers
GE.

[Kristoffer O]

See you, and have a nice trip!

[Valerius]

Good luck, GE!

I just want to let everyone know that I obviously won't look at Arco's turn. I'm forwarding the info to llamabeast.

[Cor2]

Hello all. I ahave taken over for GE playing Arco.

A special warning to Shinyuma: Withdraw from our lands or we will open "Yee Old Can O Woop Arse" or die trying.

that is all.

[Kristoffer O]

Hi, my last turnfile was corrupted, how do I get it resent? I sent a note to Valerian, Is that enough?

[Kristoffer O]

Hmm, got my turn resent, but it is still corrupted. Annoying.

Edit: Seems I have to stale this turn. If anyopne has sent mer a message or gems or items you will have to tell me, since I can't look at my turn. Also I can't send anything to anyone atm.

[Valerius]

Let's ask llamabeast if he can open the turn file on his local machine. My turn file seems OK with the exception of the game crashing during one of the battle replays but I don't think that's related.

[llamabeast]

I believe we're sorted. I dug the file out myself, checked it and sent it manually.

So, I've had this problem just one time before - a particular turn file got corrupted even if sent repeatedly, but at the server end the file was fine. I'm completely stumped as to how to fix it, because I can't work out what might be going on. That other time I even temporarily switched the address to mine and resent it and it was fine. It was as if it was allergic to that particular combination of that e-mail address (normally fine) and that file (fine for other addresses). Very odd. Maybe some subtle bug in the e-mail sending code.

[Kristoffer O]

It works fine now!

Thanks a lot!

[Kristoffer O]

It is the duty of the priests of Mictlan to inform the peoples of the world that Laws and bountiful rewards has been brought to the world. With laws comes order and hiearchy. With hiearchy comes division of labor. With division of labor comes comfort for the people.

Food is being imported from seven continents and no one needs to work.

Abandon your abominations and false prophets, for Totl is here to redeem you.
Follow the lawgiver and comfort will be granted you as you seat yourself on the thrones of the world.
Deny Him and you will be the trodden, the lost and the unenlightenable, treated in accordance with your spiritual development.

As rulers of the world, you will be glorified and served by the masses, given food and luxury. You will get all goodness in life.

See the example of Teoxl, Voice and Prophet of Totl. He is thrice blessed. Once with flaming eyes, for his hatred of the dark.
Twice with choking breath, for his hatred of the young.
Thrice with a body weight of five men.

He is given pleasures innumerable.
He is given food from seven continents.
He is given a bed of Jade with blankets of Lard.

Come to Totl, and you will be given Girth of unequalled proportions.

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In other words: my prophet has become obese http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif . Best news so far!

[llamabeast]

Mmm, blankets of lard. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Reverend Zombie]

Unprovoked aggression can only be assumed to be coming to the land of the Bakemono from the recent cancellation by C'tis of their peace pact with Shinuyama.

To my neighbors who think that this does not concern them, do I need to point out that Ermor, Pangaea or perhaps even Caelum will be the next target in C'tis' machinations?

Shinuyama is willing to negotiate rights of passage through our lands so that C'tis may be struck by all of us, NOW, before we are all taken by them, one by one.

[Cor2]

Kristoffer O said:


Food is being imported from seven continents and no one needs to work.




Wait, no one is working? Is it too late for the god of Arco to convert? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Kristoffer O]

You are all welcome http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

All you have to do is praise the Lawgiver and quit working!

[Amhazair]

Hmm... I'm having some trouble: I download my turn, but then, when I start the game up I just see last turns turn, and not the new one. I tried deleting my old turn first, and then downloading, but that just gives me an empty game. I tried having my turn resent, but that gives the same problem. I don't know if this is in any way related to the problem Kristoffer had a few turns ago? In any case, any idea on how to solve this is rather welcome. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Valerius]

You're definitely saving the turn file into the correct folder, right? If so, how about we try llamabeast's suggestion and send the turn file to a different address. PM me an alternate e-mail and I'll try sending the turn there.

[Amhazair]

Great, problem solved thanks to our wonderful moderator. Now let's go look at the turn.

[Amhazair]

Message from a high priest of C'tis to the Ermorian Senate (Ermor still has a senate in MA, right?):
And it came to pass that, upon coursing high through the night skies on his way to wreak havoc upon his enemies, Sankriss, God of invincible power, got distracted pondering the misteries of the universe, and dived through the cloud cover further north than he had intended to. As a result of this distraction, instead of killing the enemies he intended to find, an innocent Ermorian patrol got brutally slaughtered.

While the short lives of mere mortals are hardly noticed by beings such as the exalted Sankriss, God of Patience, and thus the ending of these lives doesn't hold much meaning for him, we, his subjects, understand the pain of the loved ones who are left behind. Therefore we profusely appologise for the inadvertently caused loss of life within your lands, and humbly ask your forgiveness for this tragic incident.

oopsie... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Amhazair]

I'm getting the impression my apolgies weren't accepted. That's what you get for being polite... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Kristoffer O]

Ermor is altering the deal. Pray she doesn't alter it any further!

[Meglobob]

I have requested a 24hr delay to hosting. Sent Valerius the details.

[Valerius]

Hi all, hosting is postponed until 23:11 GMT Tuesday.

[Kristoffer O]

OK, nice, I was about to rush my turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Amhazair]

I already rushed my turn. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Ah well, gives me a nice & quiet evening tomorrow. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Kristoffer O]

Hmm, my mail seems to be funky. I sent my turn from my hotmail account instead. Will this work?

[Kristoffer O]

Ah, it worked fine. NIce!

[Valerius]

It looks like the llamaserver accepted your turn. Just to make sure, did you get a confirmation e-mail?

[Valerius]

I won't be able to complete my turn on time so I'm delaying hosting by 6 hours.

[Cor2]

Atlanitis thought because Arco is at the bottom of the graphs we have no teeth. Perhaps 300 casualities will teach them a lesson. Or do they need thier armies to be routed a few more times?

[Kristoffer O]

Casualties in the hundreds are regular losses, at least where the Lawgiver reigns. It has been so since the days Mictlan was ruled by GrayZ. Dwarves, Vanir or Seraphs, they are all fooled by the belief that widespread slaughter of the enemy forces will win you the war. Perhaps you share their misconception.

All hail the Lawgiver!

[Cor2]

Well, I am dominion killed. That is the first time that has happened to me in a mp.

Pangaea, Ctis, and Atlantis enjoy fighting over the scraps. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Kristoffer O]

Hi, would it be possible to postpone the hosting, say 12 h?

[Meglobob]

I am sure Valerius will do that for you Kristoffer. You might want to PM him, just to make sure.

Should we switch to 72hr hosting, to give everyone (the remaining 5) time to do quality turns? Or should we stick to 48hr?

Its been a very enjoyable game, no need to spoil it by people stalling or rushing turns.

[Valerius]

Hi everyone.

I have postponed hosting by 12 hours. New hosting time is 18:55 GMT Wed.

I also wouldn't mind switching to 72 hour hosting if there are no objections.

[Aethyr]

I concur.

[Kristoffer O]

Sounds ok with me.

I've had less time to spend on turns lately, so I feel a bit rushed generally.

BTW, next week I will be away monday to thursday. I intend to get JK or perhaps JO to sub for me. It shouldn't be a problem. They are both somewhat aware of my current game situation.

BTW, gratz Meglobob to a rahter unpleasant surprise. It was sloppy of me not to have a castle finished there, nor scripted mages http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. They were once, when Eriu was still around.

Also a message from the Lawgiver, still juggling with his talking head:

"ehhh,m pfff, hhssss. -- Nehmhh, I ssssay. *clacks with jaw and tosses head against the wall* Hss Hss Hss."

:still feeble minded from a bongrinding experiment. Most annoying effect ever http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. Turned out that is was not working as it should. So I suppose it was put to good use regardless of how I liked the results.

[Meglobob]

Kristoffer O said:
BTW, gratz Meglobob to a rahter unpleasant surprise. It was sloppy of me not to have a castle finished there, nor scripted mages http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. They were once, when Eriu was still around.



I have known about your gargoyle factory for sometime, but it only occured to me last turn I could take it out. Btw is Forest Dome working as intended? It did not stop a single one of my mages cloud trapezing in, either I have the luck of the gods or theres a problem.


Kristoffer O said::still feeble minded from a bongrinding experiment. Most annoying effect ever http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. Turned out that is was not working as it should. So I suppose it was put to good use regardless of how I liked the results.



Yes, it should only give crippled affliction, not feeblemind affliction. Still I am not complaining... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Lord Flashheart beloved of the Seraph has come to his current sad state after single handedly fighting a troll horde, lead by a troll king. After slaughtering the trolls with ease, the Troll King stepped up and smashed Lord Flashheart with one of the greatest blows ever seen. Dazed and confused Lord Flasheart ripped the Troll King into many pieces but ever since that day, his actions have been somewhat erratic and he has a tendenancy to dribble....

The Seraph vow that one day Lord Flasheart will be whole again...no matter how long it takes. Even now we seek the Spenta of the Healing Waters.

Oh yea btw, Hidden In Snow is a great spell when it only costs you 39W gems... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Kristoffer O]

> Hidden In Snow is a great spell when it only costs you 39W gems...

And with a 3,3,2 and another 2,2 mage in the first casting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

> Yes, it should only give crippled affliction, not feeblemind affliction. Still I am not complaining.

The feeblemind was only a side effect of 3 an dmg. It should give the entire army limp or cripple depending on MR. I rather fight limp and crippled mammoths than mammoths with 1 p dmg. I think the spell is fixed now, but unfortunately penetration bonus doesn't work on secondary spell effects (IIRC). Also it is mundane dmg, so fog warriors doesn't get removed by it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

> Btw is Forest Dome working as intended?

Yep, I blocked one of my own cloud trapezes and had a laugh a couple of turns back. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Also Frost dome works as intended. My mages casting raging hearts had flame skulls giving them fire susceptibility regardless of their frost rings. It took me a while to understand what happened. I actually looked in the code to see if frost domes were not cold dmg.

[Valerius]

Since there were no objections hosting has been changed to 72 hours. Next hosting is 19:00 GMT Saturday.

[Kristoffer O]

Nice!

[Amhazair]

I'll be leaving on a small holliday tomorrow, I'll be back at the end of the month. Hadrian_II kindly agreed to sub for me during this time. Any diplomacy and/or trade should be directed to him during this time. I'll ask him to PM his e-mail adress to Valerius so the turns can be send to him.

I wish you all good fun during my abscence.

[Hadrian_II]

Rlyeh was never defeated, we just took over the empire of Ctis, and as our hold to power is now strong enough, we can take our actions openly again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Meglobob]

Have a good holiday!

I promise not to take advantage, not that I could, with the endless hordes of slave troops Mictlan has and keeps throwing at me.

[Amhazair]

Hadrian_II said:
Rlyeh was never defeated, we just took over the empire of Ctis, and as our hold to power is now strong enough, we can take our actions openly again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



Somehow I already feel I should kick you out of my plans and find another sub. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Valerius]

I've delayed hosting for 12 hours so Mictlan wouldn't stale.

[Kristoffer O]

Lol! I just rushed my turn to make it. I have probably made plenty of silly moves. Well, It's better than staling anyway. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Valerius]

Hosting has been delayed 12 hours. New hosting time 20:45 Monday.

[llamabeast]

How is this game going? Haven't heard anything from the Lawgiver for a while. How are the old gargoyles?

[Meglobob]

llamabeast said:
How is this game going? Haven't heard anything from the Lawgiver for a while. How are the old gargoyles?



Mostly dead... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Kristoffer O]

The Lawgiver is silent due to a missing head, or at least a missing brain. Several months ago his head was split open during a ritual of his own. The great spell was supposed to break every bone within a mile, but the ancient spell was a spell-trap. The Lawgivers head cracked and his dried fig-like brain fell out and was lost. He now juggles with his skull and hisses incomprehensibly at his chosen. He has been this way for more than six months, and still no brain has been found.

The Cedar Pillars and their circle of mages and unfrozen have been claimed by high seraphs and sorceresses. According to the stone spheres, things are once again growing in the aelian lands, the seven year blight having ended prematurely.

The Gargoyles have met their match in horrible revenants claimed from the halls of the underworld. Others have met their opposite selves and been annihilated by the diametrical force.

In short: Mictlan is slowly crumbling and without leadership. C'tis is gobbling up other weak pretender states and is probably in position to decide the game by attacking or allying himself with another player.

I find myself having less spare time, due to work and stuff.

It has been very educational. I realize I'm a mid game player. I try to stick to mid game strategies, ignore artifacts and items and expect troops to be useful http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I also play better when I have time to think and when I play continously. I'm less efficient with 48h hosting and even less with 72. Still I'm glad we have 72 now. Summer was better for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

Wow, poor Lawgiver. That sounds pretty grim.

Yeah, I also find 48h, and especially 72h hosting tends to make me much less efficient. And in my (very limited) late game experience troops still can be useful, but you really have to have Army of Lead, Fog Warriors and other buffs up every battle for them to stand a chance. The late game is an interestingly different challenge, I'm still trying to get the knack of it.

[Kristoffer O]

Aha, I say!

This new brain of mine seems to work splendidly!
Chop Suwey tasted good. Both of them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I think I'll go harvesting anf chopping http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
The Mammoths has been given the law, and is following the law. All hail the Lawgiver!
This soft new brain might even have a solution for the Tartarian prison break!

And Teotl, prophet of the Lawgiver is proclaiming a new creed. From the skies, Abode of the Lawgiver, harsh justice will fall as lightning andf thunder. Soon all will cherish as the heavens turns ominious and full of meanings only grasped by those true of heart!

All hail the Lawgiver! Lord of the Light!

[Meglobob]

Ok, I will ask the question.

Anyone know why well of misery is still up when Ermor is completely destroyed?

[Valerius]

It looks like it's on Edi's bug list. Since Ermor was dominion killed and the WoM caster wasn't slain the global stays in place.

[Kristoffer O]

It seems to be, which is a bug, which is annoying http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

C'tis should have taken responsibility and killed the caster!

[Meglobob]

I wonder where the death gems go?

Yea, lets blame C'tis, it's all your fault... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Kristoffer O]

Into the well I suppose. Still it gives me some extra money, so I don't complain http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Amhazair]

I was wondering about that myself. I did actually kill the caster right before going on holliday, but didn't get around to checking the bug list before leaving. It might have something to do with the caster being immortal maybe?

[Kristoffer O]

Likely.

[Meglobob]

New patch 3.10 out, but please remember to do your turn with 3.08 until the host updates the server.

[llamabeast]

Actually I'd quite like it if you sent a turn in with 3.10. The idea is that the server spots that the 2h file is for the new version and sends a message out to everyone. But I haven't really had a chance to test it.

[Dedas]

I'm doing mine in 3.10. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

Cool. Tell me if it gets accepted in the normal way. If so I've failed!

[Dedas]

He he, will try it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Valerius]

Hi, I need more time to complete my turn so I've delayed hosting by 9 hours. New hosting time is 08:35 GMT Wednesday.

[Aethyr]

llamabeast said:
Actually I'd quite like it if you sent a turn in with 3.10. The idea is that the server spots that the 2h file is for the new version and sends a message out to everyone. But I haven't really had a chance to test it.



I had already sent my turn in 3.08. Should I resend in 3.10 then?

[Dedas]

Am I in this game or am I not. I'm a bit confused as I haven't got any notice or password.

[Dedas]

Am I subbing in this game or am I not? I'm a bit confused as I haven't got any notice or password.

[Kristoffer O]

No idea. I can tell you that you are not playing Mictlan anyway http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Dedas]

I'm the true pretender god of Mictlan. Give me back my nation! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Kristoffer O]

*whisper* No way, we all worship great GrayZ.

ALL HAIL TOTL, THE LAWGIVER!

[Dedas]

The great lawgiver will soon be breaking the law if he doesn't hand me over that nation license.

[llamabeast]

I don't know Dedas, what nation are you meant to be playing? Who are you taking over for? Don't think anyone's told me anything.

[Dedas]

Nah, I probably just mixed it together with some other llamaserver game with strange animal name I'm meant to be subbing. Oh, there it is Chupacabra. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

They're completely different animals! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I think I already sent you a PM about Chupacabra - in fact I definitely did, cos you told me to use a different e-mail address. You can always ask it to resend a turn if you haven't got it.

[Dedas]

Thanks for informing me Lama, but all is well now and I'm in the game and playing.

[Amhazair]

After some stuttering earlier this week the monitor of my computer finally gave up the battle and went to join the spirits of his forefathers. I'm getting a new one this weekend, so if at all possible I'd appreciate a 48h extension to be able to do my turn. If not I'll have to stale this one.

I hereby extend an invitation to everyone intrested to come to my place for the ritual burning of all the goblins inhabiting my computer, and everyone is welcome to bring along their own nasty goblins so we can have a nice, big and untasty barbecue.

[Meglobob]

Oh ho I have a goblin in my cd writer drive, the drive died but its still just alive enough to hang my computer 50% of the time when booting up. If I can get him out I will enjoy seeing him burn... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

PM Valerius btw about the 48hr extension, we are all very chilled and relaxed here so I am sure it won't be a problem.

[Valerius]

No problem; hosting has been postponed until 23:36 GMT Sunday.

[Kristoffer O]

NIce, I was about to stale as well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Amhazair]

Obviously I faked my computer problems just to help you out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I also have to say public libraries are wonderful things, a fact which I especially rediscover every time I have trouple accessing the net from home. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Valerius]

I'm going to need some more time to complete my turn so I've delayed hosting by 13 hours.

[Amhazair]

I'm sorry to be a bother again, but how would you guys feel about another delay in the game, till friday afternoon/evening if possible? It's not that I'm absolutely unable to play, so if people prefer not to delay I'll be able to turn something in, but I am feeling a bit pressured lately, with little time off, and playing dominions is becoming something of a chore, which is a shame for such an amazing game. (not that I'm sucking up to Kristoffer in the hope he supports my proposal or anything. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ) I have the day off work on friday, so an extension would allow me to relax a bit this week, and then play my turn at ease on friday. (and then the next one over the weekend)

[Meglobob]

I would like at least a 24 hr delay as well, my day off is Thursday... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Btw is anyone really bothered about winning the game? A strange question, but I just play for the fun of it.

I was saving this as a surprise but if our western alliance of myself, Pangaea and Atlantis defeats Ctis, I was going to offer Valerius or Aethyr the oppourtunity of taking the solo win, ie...step aside.

Do not take this as any doubt about my stamina to keep playing! I have done most of my turn already, any extra is just additional micro.

This game now eats 3+hrs of my time (I do it in bits, more fun) and I would prefer to devote that to new games. The first 50 turns or so are my favourite part of the game.

[Valerius]

Amhazair, of course I will delay hosting. I'll postpone it two days, to 23:25 GMT Friday. Let me know if you need more time.

Meglobob, I agree the first 50 turns are the most fun. As far as winning goes I was going to give it a shot but C'tis has outfight Atlantis and myself and I think my opportunity to catch up to you has passed.

It's kind of you to offer Atlantis or myself the win but you've been the strongest ally all along and you would deserve the win. Practically speaking, even if Atlantis and I both fought you I don't think we could win.

Amhazair and Meglobob, the two of you have played the best game and I think one or both of you deserve the victory.

[Aethyr]

Although a late-comer to this game (and a noob to boot!) I would certainly concur.

It has been quite a learning (humbling really) experience, and a real honor to play with you all.

[Meglobob]

Thanks guys, you have both been great allies!

At the moment, either myself (Caelum), Pangaea and Atlantis will defeat Ctis and then declare one of us winner or Ctis will defeat the 3 of us and win.

That will probably take another 40 turns and, 'solid turns' of effort to force the win. Probably looking at about enough, 'real life hours' to equal the 80 odd turns we have already played.

Do we want to play it out?

What do you think Amhazair?

Sometimes, I think its better to call a game then let it 'fizzle' out or the turns become a 'chore'.

[Amhazair]

Amhazair and Meglobob, the two of you have played the best game and I think one or both of you deserve the victory.

Well, I have to say you're putting up one hell of a fight. You're bleeding me for every inch of ground you give up. It's been fun. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


It has been quite a learning (humbling really) experience, and a real honor to play with you all.

No need to sell yourself short. While I have indeed been able to deal with everything you sent into my lands, you've certainly made me think twice about taking you on in the water, even the little inland seas that used to be mine.


That will probably take another 40 turns and, 'solid turns' of effort to force the win. Probably looking at about enough, 'real life hours' to equal the 80 odd turns we have already played.

Do we want to play it out?

What do you think Amhazair?

Sometimes, I think its better to call a game then let it 'fizzle' out or the turns become a 'chore'.

Well, even though I'm the one most often requesting extensions, I think we should wait at least a few turns before pulling the plug. Playing a few more turns will probably show wether you're right and I'm as closely matched with your qualiotion as you think I am. Personally, I'm not convinced that is the case. This war against Pangaea and Atlantis is taking a lot of resources, and now that you have decided to join in the fun I might be heading towards my doom. In a couple of turns we might be able to clearly see that the three of you will beat me in the end, in which case we have a clear win(ning coalition) - and thus a more satisfying ending, especially for the winners of course. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif If it turns out that things are indeed very close and no side holds the upper hand, well we can still talk about ending it then.

[Meglobob]

Ok fair enough, lets play a few more turns.

[Valerius]

Sorry guys, despite the extra time I'm afraid I'll need to delay hosting for a few hours.

[Amhazair]

Ouch. That hurt. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Injured.gif

I had expected to take horrendous losses, and loosing was a definite possibility, but I sure didn't count on such a one-sided massacre. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Meglobob]

Just to let everyone know, I have requested a 24hr extension this turn! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Amhazair]

Ey, Bob! Don't do that without anouncing your intent first. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

If you really didn't want to play on anymore, I for my part would have settled for finishing it and calling it a draw. (Don't know if the others would prefer/have prefered to play on) I just didn't realise, from the way you phrased things, that you were this close to calling it quits.

Often, when a war starts, you can see after the first few turns how it will turn out, and I wanted to give you and your allies the chance to claim the win, and concede if things went badly in the first 3-4 turns. And, if things didn't go badly for me in those first 3-4 turns, we could still have ended it at that point if people prefered it that way - In the knowledge that a quick resolution was unlikely and that a draw was a roughly fair reflection of our strengths.

Now, since apparently your mind was already elsewhere after all, what do you guys (Valerius/Aethyr especially)want to do? Call it a day, split the pie, and drink a round of beers in brotherhood? Or play on with a radically changed situation, in what essentially would be a different game? Either suits me fine.

[Meglobob]

Tried to do my turn a couple of times but my empire was just too big, so give up in the end.

It was all the scripting I would after do, to compete against your tartarians/fire kings... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif

[Valerius]

Aethyr and I have talked it over and we feel the two of you have played the best. If we did continue playing I don't think Atlantis and Pangaea could stop C'tis.

So that means either a win for C'tis or a combined C'tis/Caelum win if the two of you decided to do that.

[Meglobob]

Valerius said:So that means either a win for C'tis or a combined C'tis/Caelum win if the two of you decided to do that.



I effectively conceded when I went AI.

[Valerius]

Then I think we can declare C'tis the winner. Congratulations, Amhazair - very well played game. It was an educational experience fighting you (mostly a losing experience, but educational). Well, at least I had one victory (albeit with castle walls to hide behind and my pretender to help out). Out of curiosity, were you surprised with the master enslave? I figured you knew I had an oracle but I wasn't sure if you thought it had high enough astral for that. I also have to say I thought you'd be more inconvenienced with my stealing GoH and the Chalice then you turned out to be. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Aethyr and Meglobob, you were great allies - it was fun working together. Good game, everyone.

[Aethyr]

Amhazair, I'd like to add my congratulations as well. Trying to survive agianst you has actually helped me sharpen my game play in my other games. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif Thanks for the education.

Valerius/Meglobob, it was great working with you. Thanks everyone for a great game.

[Amhazair]

Valerius said:
Then I think we can declare C'tis the winner. Congratulations, Amhazair - very well played game. It was an educational experience fighting you (mostly a losing experience, but educational). Well, at least I had one victory (albeit with castle walls to hide behind and my pretender to help out). Out of curiosity, were you surprised with the master enslave? I figured you knew I had an oracle but I wasn't sure if you thought it had high enough astral for that. I also have to say I thought you'd be more inconvenienced with my stealing GoH and the Chalice then you turned out to be. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Aethyr and Meglobob, you were great allies - it was fun working together. Good game, everyone.

I had tons of fun in this game myself too. I've been at war with one nation or another without stop from turn 6 or so. (hey, we knew it was a crowded map when we started out) I had my first experience of facing a water nation on equal terms (R'lyeh), and for the first time ever I managed to dominionkill someone (Arco). I also seriously liked the swampy background flavor - and playing style - of MA C'tis (I hadn't played them before) and also had fun dealing with it's funky dominion. (Good call on the design Kristoffer, it forces you into some thinking that's unique to the nation) Then of course there was the seriously schizophrenic thread talk by the confused nation of Mictlan to lighten up ones' day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif And with all of that it was still only midgame.

Valerius, you're not the only one who found our war educational. With all your different earthquakes, bloodlettings, wrathfull skies and master enslaves you managed to cause horendous losses on my numerically superior and magically diverse armies. I felt I had to pay a terrible price for each yard of blooddrenched ground I gained. And I was definitely seriously inconvenienced by loosing GoH and the Chalice. I cursed a lot at loosing them, and I lost a lot of options because of it. Oh, and I did not expect the master enslave, otherwise I would not have dared enter your castle. In fact, I went in without scouting it out first somewhat against my better judgement, because in between Caelum just having declared war, and your three assesins killing of some of my best mages I didn't feel I had the luxury of wasting time. That was one gamble that seriously didn't pay off though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Aethyr: I'm glad you enjoyed the education. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I remember actually reaching endgame in my first MP game in a strong position, and then suddenly being hit by veteran Calmon in the clash to win the game. It felt like being run over by a truck... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Injured.gif

Kristoffer: It's been really fun to see you taking part in forum stuff so much over the summer. Two of the friends I talked to about this game went to download the demo just because 'wow, the developper actually talks to you and plays with you?' Unfortunately this isn't the kind of game that will appeal to them, but still, the point remains. Good luck surviving work now that you've returned to it.

Meglobob: Damn you. Since the moment I started realising that Pangaea and Atlantis were going to cost me lots of time, effort, and resources to beat - and thus started to expect you to win this game - I've been looking forward to congratulating you on your win, and then being able to add: 'but now you can't go around telling people how I allways beat you anymore' But now you've cheated me out of that pleasure too! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Kristoffer O]

Hi all!

Thanks for a good game! As previous posters said: it has been quite educational. Also it has been a lot of fun!

I would like to thank Meglobob and davegg for their educational efforts http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I think I should sign up for a new game. Probably as Ulm or LA Abysia http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

Aha Kristoffer, well in that case I will start a new game, if you are ready to play again. Everyone wants to play with you I think. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

What era do you fancy?

Incidentally I'm extremely impressed with you coming in the top few using MA Mictlan which was considered a very weak nation, and losing your first war. Your pandering to GrayZ was very entertaining and I suspect very cunning.

[Kristoffer O]

I think I would like a LA game. Perhaps with slow research. At least if the game is as big as this one was.

But it is perhaps better if I play with standard settings. And I think MA Ulm is in more need of aid. Also I have more ideas for them in store atm.

No need to be impressed. The relative strengths of nations are not that important. Position, neighbours, diplomacy, opportunities and sheer luck (I had a lot of this early on) are way more important.