SmokyBat - Started

[llamabeast]

I've decided it might be a good idea to host another game for new/newish players (this is an overspill from Chinchilla in fact, since that filled up really fast).

I'm thinking around 10 players or so (we'll see how many we get, anything over 4 is good fun), and a not-too-large map - maybe around 15 provinces each. In my experience this is plenty big enough for lots of interesting things to happen, but not so big that it can get overwhelming. We can sort out details when we see how many players we've got.

Oh, it'll be an MA game.

It's up to you to decide if you're "newish" enough. If you've played only a few MP games, I reckon that's good enough. SP games don't count I think - it's a surprisingly different skill.

Please post here and choose a nation if you'd like to play.

So far we have:

Bandar Log - Torquemada
Man - J Henry Waugh
Abysia - Memento
Marignon - Dallan_Invictus
Atlantis - Chantillary_of_Kerisdale
R'lyeh - Aristander
Shinuyama - Shuma
Agartha - LazyPerfectionist
Jotunheim - Yucky
C'tis - Schaedelbaron
Pangaea - Atreides
Vanheim - Remmy
Pythium - CelestialGoblyn
Ulm - Graywind

[J Henry Waugh]

I will play and claim "Man"…

[Memento]

mmm I'd like to take Abysia, if you dont mind
and, it is my first experience in playing MP games - so I'm very, VERY "newish" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
please tell something about mods and other settings - I would prefer to play vanilla

[lch]

May I suggest the next name? "Chupacabra"

[Dallan_Invictus]

If ER doesn't get rid of that question mark and claim Eriu, I'd like to take it. Otherwise...Man's taken and I didn't notice, oops. Arco?

[llamabeast]

Great, I've added you all to the list.

Hmm, I had considered chupacabra, but it's a bit sinister for my liking. I kind of like cuddly South American mammals. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

(For those of you who haven't noticed, I'm going with a South American mammal theme for my game names).

[Dallan_Invictus]

Actually, I'll let ER have Eriu, and try Marignon this game. They look...intriguing.

[llamabeast]

Good stuff. Marignon are cool. I'm playing them at the moment, really enjoying them.

[Chantillary_of_Kerisdale]

Based on the recommendation of my RL friend, Dallan_Invictus, I'd like to get into this game.

Unless water races are disallowed, I'd like to play Atlantis. If they are disallowed, I'd like to play Ulm.

[Aristander]

I am having a great time with Capybara, but I think it is time to join my second game.

I would like to try R'lyeh

Thanks

[llamabeast]

Good stuff guys, I'll add you to the list. Chantillary, Dallan's giving you good advice!

Now, we have a choice of maps. Obvious choices are Parganos (8-9 players), or Cradle of Dominion (12-14 players). Pros and cons:

Advantages of Parganos:
- Might be a bit less dauntingly large in the end game (doesn't matter earlier on since people will not have that much space each)
- Need less players

Advantages of Cradle of Dominion:
- I think it's a nicer map
- At least two players are already playing on Parganos
- I think a larger game is quite exciting

Do people have any thoughts? My own inclination is to wait a bit and see if we can get enough for Cradle, but I'm open to suggestions.

[Dallan_Invictus]

For myself, I'd like to wait and see if we can fill up Cradle, but I'll play Parganos if people want to get a quicker start. Like you, I find the idea of a large game thrilling. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aristander]

I am happy with Cradle of Parganos. I just think 22 sea areas is not very many for 2 sea kingdoms. . . especially since I am playing R'lyeh.

Not trying to hijack the thread but are Cradle, Parganos and Desert Eye the most common maps for multiplayer?

[Shuma]

I'll give it a shot, any non-water nation is fine.

[Torquemada]

I'm brand new to the multiplayer..so any map is fine with me.

[J Henry Waugh]

I don't like the looks of Parganos… …I can't read the province names, and province type clumpings really seem to be unevenly distributed (i.e., waste squares all together, big splotches with no resource generating provinces, etc.…)…

[llamabeast]

Aristander - you might be slightly cramped, but if we get as many players as I'd like the land nations will only have 15 provinces each anyway, and sea provinces are generally more valuable. I think it will probably be okay.

Shuma - Cool, I'll add you to the list. It's good you're happy with any nation, but go ahead and try to form an opinion if you can. I suppose I could pick for you, but chances are my tastes and your tastes differ a bit.

J Henry (is that what your friends call you?) - I'm a bit inclined to agree.

I reckon we should wait a little longer for more players. Probably more will turn up at the weekend if not before.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

If Agartha is free, I'd love to take a slot. I'm more familiar with their simpler race than with the complexities of Shinuyama. I've already formulated a loose gameplan- nothing detailed, but better than Shinuyama, for whom I had ZERO late game ideas, and my starting strategy involved goblins dieing by the hundreds just to expand a few provinces.

[parcelt]

Never played MP before, but have to start sometime. So count me in! Can I be Machaka?

I agree with J Henry re the Parganos map

[Shuma]

Lazy Perfectionist, your heartwarming story about Shinuyama has convinced me to try them out! Hopefully goblins will be dying by the less-than-hundreds. Hopefully.

[llamabeast]

Would two or three of you like to volunteer to switch to the Chinchilla game, in which a few of the people who signed up appear to have gone AWOL? As an incentive it will probably be starting a little sooner than this game. Just post here, then there and upload a pretender ASAP. Note that you might have to/be able to switch nations - please check which ones have already been taken.

I'm hoping this game will fill up nicely at the weekend, recruitment generally seems to move a bit faster then.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Good to hear, Shuma. Always glad to hear my failures motivate someone else to success.

While I missed the occasion, Llamabeast just took down three Abyssian armies and their Pretender with Shinuyama after he took over for the stalled player in Jaguar. I have no idea how he did it, but I do know I'm jealous.

There is a Shinuyama strategy guide I can point you to if you're interested, but the original author of it hasn't been heard from this year.

[Yucky]

I'd like to play as Jotunheim if I'm not too late.

[Saxon]

What is your aimed for turn around time?

[IndyPendant]

I generally don't like MP games; I've been SP pretty much all my life. But I would like to test the MP waters with Dom3. And I notice that the MA nation I have the most SP experience with is not taken--in either this game or the Chinchilla game. So.

Put me down for Tien-Chi, if you still have room, in either game; I'll play whichever I'm needed most in. And, almost certainly, get my butt kicked...: )

[llamabeast]

Yucky - great, I'll put you down.

Saxon - sorry, I always forget to write this. The game'll be 24-hour quickhost. That means it hosts 24 hours after it last hosted, or when everyone has got their turns in, whichever is sooner. In practice this seems to work out nicely, and maintains a nice pace. Later on in the game when the turns take longer we can extend the timer if people want to. Hope you'll play by the way, am I right in thinking you normally play SP?

IndyPendant - good stuff. I also generally avoid MP, but I'd very highly recommend MP Dominions. Would you mind joining the Chinchilla game in fact? If you could upload your pretender ASAP that would be brilliant. There's instructions for doing that somewhere in that thread.

[Starshine_Monarch]

I'm putting in a request for another Llamaserver MP newbie game, perhaps in a different Age. This one looks like it's full and I'm sure this is not all the people who want to play.

If you're looking for a name for the game, try Mara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_%28mammal%29)

[Schaedelbaron]

is this game still open ?

I certainly would like to join http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[HoneyBadger]

I'll try out Machaka if it's still available?

[Atreides]

I'd like to get in on this game, only have a few mp games under my belt. Never played Pangaea mp so I guess I'll try them out.

[lch]

Starshine_Monarch said:
If you're looking for a name for the game, try Mara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_%28mammal%29)


Is it a kangaroo? Is it a rabbit? No! It's... I have no idea what that is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

[Remmy]

I'm in as Vanheim

[Ubercat]

I'd like to get in as Pangaea. I'm about to be eliminated in another game so I'll have room.

[llamabeast]

Schaedelbaron - yep, great, you're in. Please choose a nation (you can see which ones have been taken in the first post - I hope there's still some that you want not taken).

Remmy - cool. Can I make a request though? I'd like it if you limited your blessing to only 1 level 9 bless. That should in itself be extremely powerful. Even experienced players find fighting double blessed Vans to be hopeless and no fun, so it seems especially mean to have them in a game for newish players.

Ubercat - sorry, Atreides beat you to Pangaea. Any other nation you fancy?

[llamabeast]

And with those extra players, we're full! Can everyone now please upload their pretenders? Ideally today - or at least send me a message if you need more time.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Yeah, I'll upload my pretender today. I've already got one designed and ready to upload, but I'm experimenting with a variety of pretender designs on the side. I'll send one in at six PM EST if that's okay with you. If I need to send it in earlier, let me know. Can do.

[llamabeast]

That's fine. I'm just trying to convey a sense of urgency so that the game doesn't take forever to start.

[llamabeast]

Oh, I should have mentioned before, I think we will use the Worthy Heroes mod, because it is nice and fun without changing things very much. Basically it just adds a few more heroes to the game, and makes sure every nation has at least some heroes.

I'll attach the mod to this post. Just unzip the file and put the contents in your dominions3/mods folder.

[llamabeast]

I just realised I never posted in this thread how to upload your pretenders - d'oh! Okay, here's how:

- Go to Game Tools -> Create a pretender god in Dominions
- Go to the savedgames/newlords folder in the dominions directory, and find your pretender file (e.g. mid_pythium_0.2h)
- E-mail the file to: pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net
- Crucially, you must have the game name, 'SmokyBat', in the subject line of your e-mail

You can see who's joined so far etc at www.llamaserver.net (http://www.llamaserver.net) .

I hope that's clear-ish. Let me know if you have any questions.

[llamabeast]

Ubercat's bowed out, as he hadn't seen that Pangaea was taken. So I'm after another player. In fact if there's more than just one person keen please post anyway, and you can be a reserve or if there are a few of you I will get another game started.

[CelestialGoblyn]

I could play. I only played three MP games so far.
What nations are left?

[llamabeast]

Cool, that would be good. Check the first post to see which nations are taken.

[Schaedelbaron]

i take ctis http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

Okay, Earth Raver has said he would rather not play this game after all. So now Eriu is free, and we once again have a spot for another player.

Which nation do you want CelestialGoblyn?

[Graywind]

I'll take Ulm. Playing multiplayer for the first time.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I've sent in my pretender, though I hope nobody takes it too seriously. It's all in good, strange, fun.

[llamabeast]

Great Graywind, pleased to have you. Can you send in your pretender as soon as you have a chance? Instructions a few posts above.

[CelestialGoblyn]

I see that Pythium is free? If so, can I play Pythium?

[J Henry Waugh]

pretender sent

[llamabeast]

CelestialGoblyn, consider yourself Pythium.

And with that, we're just waiting for pretenders from Atlantis, Shinuyama, Ulm and Pythium.

[CelestialGoblyn]

Sent.

[Shuma]

Uploaded.

[PurpleRhino]

Still time to get in on the game?
I noticed Machaka wasn't taken (or sent in at least)...

[Chantillary_of_Kerisdale]

Sent (no confirmation message returned, so if you didn't get it...

[llamabeast]

Hi PurpleRhino,

Sorry, just reached 14 players, which I think is as many as can really fit on Cradle of Dominion. I will start up a new newbie game in a week or so though - it'll be early age next time I think. You'd be very welcome to join that.

Chantillary - your e-mail killed the server! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Um, I have no idea how. The 'MIME' module I'm using just said 'Don't know how to decode x-uuencode', which unfortunately means nothing to me. Um, do you have another e-mail address you can use? Anyway, I can add your pretender manually, and I'll start the game shortly.

[lch]

UUencode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUencode) is one of the oldest encoding algorithms in IT. It's still very heavily used in Usenet, for example. I don't know what you use for programming, but there should be something which let's you encode and decode the data, PHP has functions for that built-in (convert_uuencode (http://php.net/convert_uuencode) / convert_uudecode (http://php.net/convert_uudecode)). For the man pages to the command line equivalents, see
http://opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xcu/uuencode.html
http://opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xcu/uudecode.html

[llamabeast]

Thanks lch, that's a really useful starter.

[llamabeast]

Okay guys, the game is starting!

The first turn has 48 hours on the timer, in case there are any problems. Subsequent turns will have 24 hours, i.e. the game will host 24 hours after the last hosting, or when all 14 turns are in, whichever is sooner.

Good luck! Let me know if there are any problems.

[llamabeast]

Ooh whoops, problem!

It looks like Atlantis and R'lyeh must have designed their pretenders while using a mod that affects pretender costs - almost certainly the Conceptual Balance mod (or alternatively the Mythology mod).

So everyone please ignore this turn since we will do a restart, and Atlantis and R'lyeh please send in new pretenders, making sure all mods are off (technically you should have the same mods on as the game you're joining, so worthy heroes should be on, but it doesn't affect pretenders so doesn't matter).

[Aristander]

I currently have Worthy Heroes 1.7b and Blessing Hotfix enabled. That is it. I will turn them off and resubmit my pretender.

R'lyeh

[llamabeast]

Really? That is very strange indeed. Hmm.

[Aristander]

Well, turning the mod's off did make a difference in points.
I do not really understand it.

[Chantillary_of_Kerisdale]

Well, as I've not installed any mods (that I know of -- when I check Mod Preferences, all I've got is an Exit Button), I was going to ask where to go to get these mods. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Do you still need me to resubmit?

[Aristander]

Very strange. I re-enabled the two mods (worthy Heros 1.7b and Blessing Hotfix. I then made a pretender.

No difference that I could find, same as unmoded. All I can think is that I restarted Dominions a few times while in the process of originally creating the pretender.

[Aristander]

Mods are on the Dominions 3 Mods forum. Just download and put in your Dominions mods folder. Start Dominions 3. Select preferences. Select mod preferences. select mod or mods to enable.

[llamabeast]

Also I've attached the worthy heroes mod somewhere in this thread I think. I wasn't planning on using the Blessing Hotfix, because I don't think any of the players have sacred undead.

[llamabeast]

Okay guys, I've just done some tests - I started the game three times using the same pretender for Atlantis and Aristander's resent pretender. Twice it worked, twice it gave the error. Seems like a bug in dominions or something to me - really really odd in any case.

So I will just start it again and hope it works I think.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

This is a really interesting map, a little more strategically complicated than it looks at first glance. I'll have to pay attention to all those bridges.

[Atreides]

Just curious about this weird thing happening with me. I had worthy heroes installed already, but for some reason my file was 1.7 rather than 1_7. So I downloaded the file Llamabeast attached, but I was wondering if there is any difference between the two, or if it has simply been renamed.

[llamabeast]

Gah! Much agony and two restarts later, I think we are fixed. Please use the turn that was "resent" to you (should be the only one without cheating messages, unless I have got confused, which is entirely possible).

Exceptionally weird error. I started the game exactly the same every time. Sometimes it gave an error, sometimes not. I actually think it is a dominions bug (which I don't say lightly), I will report it when I get a chance.

Atreides - that's probably just either me mistyping the name or something when I was making my zip, or someone else mistyping something at some point. The files will be exactly the same.

[Chantillary_of_Kerisdale]

I think you might've gotten confused.

Without the Heroes mod installed, the turn won't start.

With it installed, but not turned on, the turn will start and turn the mod on without asking permission.

I think, if people are going to be creating pretenders without this mod being active, the best thing to do is to (short term) rename the appropriate .dm file with another (additional) extension (like .backup) so the game does not recognize it as being valid for its use.

[llamabeast]

Erm, I don't understand that last bit, Chantillary (the first stuff is correct though, but I'm not actually sure who you're answering). What problem are you trying to solve?

When making pretenders mods don't actually matter, apart from the two mods which affect pretender design (CBM and Mythology).

I originally thought our problems with starting the game were due to you and Aristander using mods, but they weren't at all in fact - rather they were just inexplicable!

[Dallan_Invictus]

Worthy Heroes supposedly doesn't affect pretenders, so it shouldn't be a problem to have it active to create. In any case, the game seems to be running. So, we can have at it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Atreides]

Sigh, had one of those perfect starting spots and we had to restart. I suppose I can dream of it happening again at some point in the future. Alright, lets get going!

[llamabeast]

Sorry Atreides! That sounds really frustrating.

[Chantillary_of_Kerisdale]

Sorry, I was trying to solve the problem of why my .trn file wouldn't work when I didn't have Heroes 1_7 installed.

And if it doesn't effect pretenders, when why would my game insist on it being present (and turning it on, when it is present) when I try to play a turn. Unless you had it on when you set the .trn file into motion. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I'll run my turn and see if anything kicks back as being bad from it.

[Atreides]

No big deal Llamabeast, with my luck I would have gotten unrest in my capital second turn anyways http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Just wait until I get hit by two earthquakes.

[Shuma]

So which server and port do I connect to? llamaserver.net?

[Dallan_Invictus]

Nah, you should have gotten the turn file in the email you used to send your pretender. Grab the .trn file, put it in a subdir of your Dom3/savedgames directory (I used SmokyBat for the folder name, but it may not be absolutely necessary to do so), play the turn (the game name will be the same as the folder name), end the turn, take the .2h file from that folder and sent it back to the address the .trn file came from.

Repeat every turn until you're overrun. Or win. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

Sorry, I somehow forgot to mention how to take your turns! But Dallan's exactly right.

Although Dallan, can I make a strange request please? Any chance you could mess up the e-mail address a bit (put [at] instead of @ or something)? Just because I don't want it getting harvested too much by spambots. Thanks!

[Aristander]

I am going away to celebrate American Independence from July 4 - 7th. I will return on the 8th. Could we hold the game starting on the 4th?
Thanks

Aristander

Rally Mohawks, and bring your axes And tell King George we'll pay no taxes.
Saltwater Tea Anyone?

[J Henry Waugh]

Unable to play… …getting message "The following mod needs to be installed: heroes1_7.dm"… …I don't know what that is, most of my Dom3 XP is just single player random map tinkering…

[llamabeast]

Hiya,

The mod is attached to this post (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showthreaded.php?Number=533064) - just unzip it and put the files in your dominions3/mods folder. It just adds a few more heroes to the game, and makes existing ones generally a bit more useful.

[Aristander]

Great Old Ones of vast power stir with a consciousness manifested in shapes and forms long since withdrawn before the rise of humanity.

That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange eons even death may die.

Pyaray fhtagn

[Dallan_Invictus]

Doesn't have quite the same oomph. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Enjoy.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Geeze. Everybody's proclaiming at the top of their lungs today. My mages can hear you even though we're going deaf due to pronounced old age. Well, at least I've got the mercenaries to help get around my resource issues. Anyone else bid on them?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

There. Got my turn sent in. Quite an interesting little corner I find myself in. The independents are above average, and I wouldn't dare expand hadn't I hired those Mercenaries.

[Remmy]

My ultra-sweet pretender just blew through a 40 stack of heavy calvary first turn. Good start http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Hmmmm.... I'll have to keep an eye out for Crusha.
40 heavy cavalry is very impressive, and I'm dying to figure out what your pretender looks like so I can steal ideas.

My Pretender is still dormant, and I've had only one SC pretender that comes halfway near that performance. Think I could talk you into sharing, or will you hoard your secrets? I'll reciprocate with details on my pretender.

[Memento]

sorry for stalling the game, my internet symply said goodbye for two days
can anyone tell me where should I sent email and what topic should be?

[llamabeast]

Hey! Glad to see you Memento. Staling the first turn shouldn't be much of a setback hopefully, and Abysia is good at early expansion anyway.

You need to send your 2h file back to the address that sent you the trn file - turns[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net. And it doesn't matter what you put as the topic (I normally leave it blank to save time).

[llamabeast]

Here's a link (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showthreaded.php?Number=531118) to a little guide I did to playing your turns, in case you have any problems (should have linked this here before come to think of it).

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

The best laid plans are laid to waste by misfortune... ouch. I'm expanding, at least, but I planned to be near the top of research, not held back at only two researchers, massive unrest in my home province. I think I was way to aggressive with my negative scales.

I also see Pyaray the tentacled overlord (R'lyeh), and Pythium. Heres hoping my hideous scales discourage invasion.

[Chantillary_of_Kerisdale]

I'm seeing what I'm assuming is R'lyeth (I'm fairly certain that no land-based playewr has access to amphibious troops this early), and what I know is Man.

Had the bad luck to have the first land province I invade to be right next door to what I assume is his capitol, and 2 other subjugated provinced of his to either side. My commander and 9 of her 24 troops survived, and took out 29 of his 53 troops. Good thing Man didn't wait until next turn to attack -- I might've been unbeatable (as I was willing to sink all my funds for the turn into defence for the province. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif)

[Schaedelbaron]

All Hail Endiku who fought a fierce battle in the arena against..umm..several...umm...nonexsistent...enemi es and took victory home to C´tis. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[llamabeast]

Hi guys,

I wonder if I could ask someone to volunteer to be the "admin" for this game? It's not much of a job at all - basically if someone asks for an extension to the timer you do it (via the llamaserver.net website, with the "admin options" link on the game page). You'll also have the ability to do other things like change the hosting interval or switch someone's e-mail address so a sub can take over, but these things will only come up very rarely.

I ask because (a) I'm going away for a week and a half on Wednesday, so won't be around to watch things, and (b) I'm quite keen to make sure every game has its own admin, so I don't have to keep careful tabs on all the game threads. I mean, I probably will anyway, but I want to make sure I don't let it become a job.

Just post here and I'll PM you the password. Thanks!

[Atreides]

I'll admin for this game Llamabeast. I think I'm one of the more veteran players (relatively speaking) in this game and I'm active in a lot of games currently so I check my e-mail and the boards a lot.

[llamabeast]

Brilliant! Thanks Atreides. I'll PM you the password.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I've gotten the second most useless hero ever-
(First going to a mage with heroic stupidity, of course) - a H1 Attendant of the Oracles with heroic toughness.

[llamabeast]

Apologies to anyone who's 2h file got rejected in the last hour or so. I was tinkering, and made a mistake (deleted SmokyBat from its list of known games, somehow). Anyway, it's fixed now, and I'll resend your turns.

[llamabeast]

Okay, Schaedelbaron's the only player I found a rejected 2h for - I've resubmitted his turn. If I missed anyone, please resend your turns.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I think I emailed out a turn. I won't be able to resubmit it until 11 or so, though. Though sometimes I've botched the sending of the turns, myself, by forgeting attachments or not clicking send.. Anyways, it looks like I've got more than enough time to send it in again.

[Remmy]

great... pretender killed on turn 9 and greatly upsetting my spell plans

[Aristander]

It comes, from beyond the plateau of Leng. It comes through time and space. Ones mind reels amidst the chaos and its most foul odor. From beyond Yuggoth and through alternate realities it comes. It arrives through the Void Gate. It arrives to serve.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Well it appears my overture to Jotunheim has gone disregarded. My mistake for not attacking them outright. Well, now I know who I'll first be waging war against.

At least a quadruple bless. Attack +2, Defense +2, regenerates 2 hitpoints a turn, 2 extra reinvigoration. And thanks to divine + bless, 18 morale total. Bah.

[Yucky]

Nice spin.

You attacked me, not the other way around.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

True. It's all spin. And I did attack you first. But as I warned you, I consider that province essential to my border, and I do know who I'll first be waging war against. I didn't really give diplomacy a serious chance, I'll admit, nor give the games slow-*** communications a chance. But I did offer to pay blood price for the province, in money or whatever. So, to be fair, for the record, you're hardly the aggressor or whatever, but as I consider that single province a key component to my defensive line, so help me, I consider it a state of war until its under my control. It's within two spaces of my capital, and on my side of thin landbridge. As it is, you need hold only that province, while that one province forces me to defend more of my side.

And somehow, despite being completely innocent, your bless nation is bringing enough giants to overwhelm 25 pd points and forty soldiers. Such virgin innocence. You're now one step from my capital. See why I thought it was a strategic necessity to hold that province?

[Yucky]

I understand and totally agree with your aggressive stance on other nations being within two of your starting province.

In my opinion there shouldn't be only 3 provinces between any starting positions.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I won't go down without a fight- I have some backup plans.

That said, I won't mind losing. I've learned at least two valuable lessons. Since I haven't lost or given up yet, I'll stay silent. But if I do lose, I'll offer a brief, succinct AAR in this thread, describing things I could have done differently to give myself a much greater fighting chance.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

The forces of Jotunheim have taken my capital... Unfortunately, my troops could not stand before the might of Jotunheim without breaking.
Unfortunately, their leaders yet live.

On the other hand, my troops still live, the cowards, and I've taken less casualties- unless you count stupid PD.
I've taken down two-thirds of their bless force, and my pretender has awoken. It's a bit risky, but I still have a chance.

"The entire nation rejoices. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the One who Contains Everything, Lord of Many Names, Bestower of Good Gifts, Lord of the Rock, Enemy of Darkness has awakened."

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Ulm... Do you need to discuss strategy/troop movements w/regards to taking down Jotunheim?

I don't have scouts in your territory, but I can resend my turn if necessary. I'm sending my troops into Anodyr, but don't look forward to an accidental skirmish between our forces. I'm also concerned about the sixty hostile forces in 116. Being undead, they can travel through the water. Do I need to clear a path through 116, 111, or do I not need to worry about their movement paths?

[Remmy]

An unfortunate circumstance has happened. I have to take a trip to my moms house and I'll be gone for probably a week. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif I'm playing Vanheim in this game, I guess you can just set me as AI.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Sad to hear. If you want a substitute, you could make a post over here: http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=520744&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

But that's up to you. Hope things get better.

[Aristander]

Atlantis is now one with the Void.

R'lyeh pays its respects to Atlantis which apparently got off to a bad start. I had a good start and my strategy was to find and eliminate you asap. Do not let this quick exit get you down.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Our respects to Jotunheim who is now under siege. You were a fierce opponent, but not prepared for the combined armies of Agartha, Ulm, and some rampaging Elephants.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Our respects to Jotunheim who is now under siege. You were a fierce opponent, but not prepared for the combined armies of Agartha, Ulm, and some rampaging Elephants.

The Elephant commander died a foolish death. My dearest condolences go out to the Pachyderm pack, who have went off to the elephant graveyard.

[Shuma]

So Mr. Perfectionist, are you still alive and kicking? I can tell by the reversals of these posts. It wouldn't be the first time that someone has declared an early death but still managed to scrabble back into the game.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Yes. It was thanks entirely to Ulm that I didn't have to fight off a second wave of giants, which likely would have ruined me. Ulm now controls much of Jotunheim's territory. The thing that granted me the ability to fight off first wave of giants wasn't my poor research choices, but the awakening and equipping of my cyclopian pretender, Hillary Rodham Clinton who was more than a match for the few giants around my capital. Since I was capable of hiring enough mercenaries, and tramplers bigger than giants, I was able to clear those territories of mine.

[Atreides]

I had one request to postpone this game for 24 hours, and as it happens, I am moving this weekend and will not have access to the internet until monday evening. I have postponed hosting for 72 hours, that is tuesday at 10:25 GMT I believe. If anyone has any objections to this, please let me know.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I'm fine with it. It's as good a time as any, I'm not worried about 'what happens next', got no dangling cliffhangers.

[J Henry Waugh]

NP re: delay…

Was wondering, thought maybe I stopped getting the emails…

[Atreides]

Remember everybody, new turns are out tomorrow.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Dang barbarians. Take out one of my provinces, will you?

Between the barbarians and the province consisting of Tribe warriors, militia, and knights, I'm recruiting a mercenary squad for entirely internal reasons.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Sorry about John Q Necromancer. I didn't expect 5 PD to take out about sixty soulless... But it helped that Doctor Death followed along behind instead of casting spells.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I may stall this turn... My webmails acting all funny.
I'll have to find the time to setup a new, free webmail account for dominion games. Any recommendations?

Edit: Will be able to send in turn.

The Wolfkin mercenaries are a disappointment. Bunch of stinking goblins. If I wanted stealth, I would have picked a different nation.

[Aristander]

I will be going away and will miss turn 24 due on Sunday July 29th.

I am playing R'lyeh and am doing quite well so far.

anyone interested?

Aristander

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Aristander- http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=d3maars&Number=520744&page =0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=2
May be of use.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Nation of Agartha seeking monthly death gem income of 3.

Willing to trade 3 earth gems a turn for three death gems, or
exchange one Air/Fire/Water gem for one Death gem - multiple contracts.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Nation of Agartha seeking monthly death income of 3.
Willing to trade 5 earth gems a turn for three death gems.

Open to other deals, Private Message me.

[Graywind]

It's a deal. I'll send you 3 death gems a turn beginning from the next one in exchange for 5 earth gems from you.

Best regards from Ulm.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Next turn? Do you mean I'll receive them that turn, or that you'll place the send order. When I get home, and do turn 28, I'll send the five earth gems over.

Best regards from Agartha...
I haven't had a single level 0 death site, and 400 gold Oracles are somewhat expensive manual site searchers - especially with only level 1 sites uncovered.

Offer from Ulm accepted, still have more gems if other nations wish to trade.

[llamabeast]

Wow, you guys have been phenomenally unlucky with stalers. Setting Vanheim, Man and Pangaea to AI.

Note that the timer may begin to creep forward as a result. So far it will have been the same time every day because someone's always staled.

[Graywind]

Lazy_Perfectionist said:
Next turn? Do you mean I'll receive them that turn, or that you'll place the send order. When I get home, and do turn 28, I'll send the five earth gems over.



I mean this turn in fact, sorry for the obscurity. 3 death gems are already on the way.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Bah... Find a magic site in a province. Guess what happens? 40 random knights attack. What site was it? I'll never know... It's not like I've got any chaff.

Fortunately, I've just finished my northern expansion. I can bring my heavy hitters down south.

[Shuma]

I need to request a stoppage of play until I can get a valid .trn file. The one I got today was of 0 length and is unusable. I requested a resend and got the same file.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Recieved no death gems this turn from Ulm. No notification why, as well. I'll wait a few hours before sending my turn in.

Barbarians attack me AGAIN. At least two barbarian attacks, 2 Knight attacks... Geeze. Misfortune 2? Meh.

[llamabeast]

Um, don't know what your problem would have been Shuma. I just tested by briefly setting the address for Shinuyama to my address, and I got a proper 200K file when I requested a resend. Freaky. Are you sure your e-mail account isn't full or anything?

I've just told it to resend to you again anyway. Hopefully it will work this time.

[Shuma]

Checked and still no go.

I'm using 5% of my availble account space. I don't know what the problem could be.

[llamabeast]

Hmm, nor me. Particularly since it sent it fine to me, but it's not as if gmail is a crazy mail server to be using.

Um, I'll e-mail it to you manually. And also I've postponed hosting by 24 hours. I'm somewhat perplexed.

[Shuma]

Thanks, the manual email worked just fine. Turn sent in to the server normally, hopefully this was just a freak occurance.

[Graywind]

About death gems - strange, maybe I had forgotten to send them, ok, I'll send double usual amount this turn.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

After I didn't recieve them, I didn't send them. If I get home before Bandar Log posts, I'll correct my turn, send five, and post in here. If I don't make it in time, I'll send double myself next turn, to make it even.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Made it. Resent my turn with 5 earth gems on the way.

[Aristander]

I am going away with the family for a week. I will be back on the 20th.
Feel free to find a sub or whatever.
Thank You All

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I wish to remind Pythium of the terms of our territorial pact.
Isen Hills (168) happens to be mine. In exchange, I did not invade 150, or 157, despite you leaving them unoccupied so long. I may have been occupied by a spat of barbarians, but I still once owned 168, and by the terms of our original treaty, it belongs to me. I respectfully request you withdraw from that province. If I do not receive any forms of diplomatic communique, I will consider it a hostile act, and act as Agartha is slow to do.

[CelestialGoblyn]

Pythium will withdraw.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Agartha is most grateful. Agartha is about to attack Pangaea and would like to cement positive diplomatic relations. Is there anything I might do along those lines? Any trades you are interested in?

[CelestialGoblyn]

Pythium cannot give any guarantees, nor enter any pacts with Agartha.
We would only be motivated to enter a non-agression pact if territorial concessions would be made.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I wasn't talking about non-aggression pacts, per se. I wasn't interested in treaties, since the one we have covers our border sufficiently as a simple division of territorial lines, but rather was wondering if there was some trade or action that would be mutually beneficial, and thus encourage peace as a simple matter of action.

Ulm, for instance, is getting a beneficial exchange rate of gems. There's a benefit to maintaining peace with me, for him, above and beyond the benefits of simply not being at war.

I'm looking for a way to increase the Value of peace. Not as a means to purchase a treaty, but to actually include a factor that makes it in your own best interest to maintain positive relations.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

It's a good thing I already took death scales. The only two death sites I found are both a Well of Pestilence, at +1 each.

Most of my random gem events have been kind enough to hand me death.

I don't believe I ever saw an anonymous assassination before... and it showed up as an "unexpected event" in a completely illogical place.

So, while it makes me uncomfortable, I'll assume none of my neighbors had anything to do with it.

But then again... looking at another province, the assassin in my territory was clearly Pythium's. This one wasn't trying to assassinate, at least not yet, but it's also quite troubling.

I'll have to reallocate my forces. Hopefully it will only be a matter of caution, but I have to prepare for war with Pythium. At the moment, I'll restrict myself to sealing off my lands and finding (and killing), any assassins in my lands.

[llamabeast]

There is a random assassination event where you get attacked by a ninja. That's the only one I know of. But I don't think there's any way anyone could assassinate you and make it look like an unexpected event.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

That's why I'm not going to go to war, yet, and am dividing up my huge, useless swarms of light infantry to patrol.

The other assassin, from Pythium, may merely have been passing through.

[Graywind]

Sorry, but I quit. Getting bored. Good luck to Shinuyama in conquering my territory. Agartha and Pythium, you may have some too if you want, Ulm is going to be ruled by AI.

Still really interesting who is gonna be the winner...
My bets: Shinuyama - 1st, R'lyen or Agartha - 2nd.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Hello two AIs. This may give me a slighty unfair advantage- up until that flying army of Pythium's decides to do something. Or I met up with Shinuyama in the division of Ulm.

Goodbye my death gems. Hopefully I can carve them out of Ulm's empire, then Pan's.

May I ask, Graywind, why the game bored you, if you're still around?

[Shuma]

This is just speculation, but...

It may have had something to do with losing a few battles in the war he started against me -- not wanting to go through the micro of constantly making and bringing up new troops to reinforce an assault that may or may not have succeeded.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Gee, Pythium, I would never have figured out we were at war if you hadn't sent that declaration of war. After all, it only arrived once you sat yourself down on my fortress. Fortunately, I was expecting something along those lines and pulled back my patrollers...

Our original pact did not specify any nonaggression, it simply stated the division of our border, and expanding past that is war. So I have no ill will, but surely you could have picked a better time... I was about to have fun going after Ulm...

So, pooh. At least I've got Jotun's capital for those needed death gems.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Lessons learned... (partially classified)

Agarthan PD of 5 > two Call of the Winds
Shatter works on Water Elementals (who would have guessed)
Draconians have a good strength value, and so do larger water elementals. They make marble oracles cry.

[Dallan_Invictus]

Wow. I was expecting Rl'yeh to pull a D-Day eventually, but this seems more like a d-day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Still, there may still be some tricks up his tentacled sleeves.

Also - geez, that's a big AI Pan army. It's comforting to see that they're sticking to the plan I had with them before they went AI. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I'd considered letting you keep wasting your black hawks, but I couldn't bare watching the slaughter of such a noble species. Please, please, please stop casting it.

Three Great hawks and 60 black hawks. Three castings of Call of the Winds. They just got beat by five province defense (or 5 li, 5 mi).
15 gems < 15 gold...
Maybe against a less armored race... People have claimed Agarthan PD is horrible... but maybe they were facing the wrong enemy.

But even knowing the gems you're spending, I can't bear to watch it anymore... Except with a kind of sick fascination. I'm torn between raising my pd levels and seeing how far they can go without any further investment. Heck, maybe we can agree on an experimental province.

................

Do let me know if they managed to fly to safety, okay? I really am sympathizing for the poor beasts.

[CelestialGoblyn]

Some great hawks are still alive.
But yeah, what a suprise that they couldn't defeat even a few wee soldiers in dented old armour.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Strength 4 versus protection 9 and 14, not counting shields?
In all fairness, they might have survived if you had a way of keeping up their morale. They weren't willing to stay the fight, though. And that would have defeated the whole 'behind enemy lines' deal.

My national recruits may do sad, sad damage, but they are well protected. Even my light infantry.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Damn misfortune. Guess what? Knights attack my provinces again!

Out of curiosity, CelestialGoblyn, how much food does that big army of yours take, between the elephants and draconians? How much is available to you in that province?

I can't quite figure out why your Theurgs aren't suffering from scurvy, but soon you won't have much left except angels bearing bottles.

While we fight, R'lyeh grows stronger, and Pangaea unconquered. You might even manage to win on an open battlefield, but you certainly haven't had any luck cracking open my fortresses. I can pretty much pick and choose my battles.

I'd be willing to sue for peace, and even provide you with astral pearls if you were to take down R'lyeh's forge. I'd even let you take down Earth Blood Deep Well without retaliation if you stripped down Forge of the Ancients first.

There'd obviously be more negotiation than this, but I'm interested in peace. Even with R'lyeh, though I'm not opposed to the removal of their global spells.

[Dallan_Invictus]

While I might apologise for disposing of a bargaining chip, Forge is already down. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif Of course, now Well of Misery is up. Except for the "handing him fifty million Death gems" part, this might actually be a blessing.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

A pity, pity. Well, at least they haven't taken a single one of my forts yet, and I'm still capable of assaulting Ulm, albeit at a snail's pace, and questionable success, but with very limited risk.

As long as Pythium doesn't get a fort in my lands or nature mages + gems for bags of endless booze, they'll find it a bit hard to eat. I've learned a couple important lessons from other games about holding down the forts, and from reading up on Ulm.

Heck, thanks to my death and heat scales, their is a friendly province twice removed from my unsieged capital that has 76 food. I'd hate to think what its like for invaders.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I think I got confused as to who's playing whom.

Ignore the bulk of my PM, Shuma. I'd assumed I was speaking to pythium, without double-checking the player list.

I do have those pearls, however.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Stalled... I'm gonna have to sort hings out and catch up from my mistakes.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Any chance of getting a freeze until Wednesday, 16:00 GMT? Aka noon?

[CelestialGoblyn]

Lazy_Perfectionist said:
Damn misfortune. Guess what? Knights attack my provinces again!

Out of curiosity, CelestialGoblyn, how much food does that big army of yours take, between the elephants and draconians? How much is available to you in that province?

I can't quite figure out why your Theurgs aren't suffering from scurvy, but soon you won't have much left except angels bearing bottles.

While we fight, R'lyeh grows stronger, and Pangaea unconquered. You might even manage to win on an open battlefield, but you certainly haven't had any luck cracking open my fortresses. I can pretty much pick and choose my battles.

I'd be willing to sue for peace, and even provide you with astral pearls if you were to take down R'lyeh's forge. I'd even let you take down Earth Blood Deep Well without retaliation if you stripped down Forge of the Ancients first.

There'd obviously be more negotiation than this, but I'm interested in peace. Even with R'lyeh, though I'm not opposed to the removal of their global spells.



(I'm playing Pythium. And I'm not checking this thread often enough.)
Sue for peace? Well, of course.
We're talking provinces here, though. Gem-bearing provinces.
If you are willing to cede a few provinces to me, I can agree on peace.

(By the way, freezing the game for a while is all okay with me.)

[Dallan_Invictus]

I'm fine with a pause.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I offered peace in part because of the Forge of the Ancients. As that spell is down AND I'm not willing to cede any further territory, I'm not looking with favor upon peace.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Dammit. I woulda sworn I'd sent in my turn...
Dammit!

I can see I'm going to stale, I know I did my turn, and there's nothing I can do about it.

[Aristander]

I would not mind a pause However, I will be away Friday and Saturday and Sunday (Labor Day Weekend) so I would like to extend the pause until next Monday.

[Aristander]

Dispelling my forge of the ancients was understandable but dispelling my well of misery was just well not very nice....

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

This has to be the only time I've ever been glad to be hit by a barrage of my opponent's spells. I had spent most of my turn preparing for Pythium to storm my fortress, only to send in the order file for the wrong game... So when I realized this, I was thinking I'd just lost my pretender, a fort, yadda yadda yadda.

Thank you for being so cautious as to scout my forces first. Thank you. Still not a bad idea, but my salvation this time. If I had sent in the right turn file, I would be resenting that, but...

So... What spell was cast on my province? I can't see any noticeable result. I suppose it had to do with Draconians or eagles.

[CelestialGoblyn]

Duh... what's with the bolts of flame hitting my flying mages?
I mean, which spell does this?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

If you tell me what you were casting, I'll tell you what killed off ten of your mages.

[CelestialGoblyn]

Cloud Trapeze.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Dome of Flaming Death.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I just defeated Bogus with 4 casulties. 1 commander, 3 statues. Its times like these that remind me why I like Agartha.

[CelestialGoblyn]

The castle is mine, your cyclops is dead.
You have chosen a bad castle to defend yourself in.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Who said I chose it? Remember, I stalled earlier, and got stuck there. Still, it is a valid kill, because I did have time to prepare defense though I was stuck in a position not of my choosing.

That said, I want to see the replay, and see if I gave myself some stupid battle lineup that promoted my death.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I'm never taking misfortune 2 again, even with order 3. I'm in the middle of a war and I'm hit by barbarians and knights and bogus... Well... on I go. Why people like the order misfortune combo I just cannot comprehend.

Will I take your capital before you catch up with me?
Is there anything earth mages can do against ethereal, lucky, high defense angels? Will I figure it out in time?

Next time on:
The conquest of Agartha.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I'd appreciate a slower game. Both long term and for this labor day weekend.

Until Tuesday, could we set the game to a 48 hour cycle?
And after that, 30 hour, maybe?

Edit: I'm impressed. Opposition = hurt. So much for my sentinels... Important lesson.

[Dallan_Invictus]

Slowing the game down's fine by me.

Also, I need to drum it into my head. "Defend" means "Defend Castle", not 'Defend Province". Stop leaving the PD to fight the invading snakes alone.

[Schaedelbaron]

invading ?
that MY castle your sitting in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Who's administering this game, by the way? Did Llama hand it off, or is he the one? If we can't switch to a slower schedule, I'll settle for one 6hr postponement. Locally, this turn is due 7:00 AM. I can't manage that, especially as currently exhausted I am.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I'm afraid I can't keep this 24 hour schedule. Or rather, by keeping it, it hurts my sleep, controls my life.

With great regret, I must go over to AI.

[llamabeast]

Hey guys,

Sorry, I've not been reading this thread, cos like all the games I was thinking it had an admin to sort it. The admin was Atreides, and since he's no longer in the game I guess he's not watching the thread closely, fair enough.

Would someone else volunteer to take over admin duty please?

And for the moment I'll change the hosting schedule to 48 hours - I'm impressed it's lasted so long on 24. Hope this is what everyone wants.

LP - very sorry you were driven to turn AI. You could have PMed me if you were getting desperate.

[Dallan_Invictus]

Yeah, _there_ is D-Day from the gibbering hordes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I don't see much I can do about this, but it'll surely be fun to try.

[Aristander]

I just thought geographically speaking Marignon would be the easiest territory to capture and hold. I believed I could strengthen my position before Shinuyama became a threat.

I was wrong.

Shinuyama has completed his conquest of the southern continent and has invaded one of my Sea territories in violation of our NAP. I cannot blame Shinyama he is so powerful he thinks he is beyond any reckoning for his actions.

Shinuyama is mighty, as everyone knows he has started many global enchantments. I think our only chance is to band together against him, even then it may be too late.

As a newbie, I sure would not mind some advice.

[Shuma]

That land had been sitting unused for 3-4 turns before I moved in. It seemed like a waste of gems and gold to let it sit there. I am not in violation of the NAP considering it was not under your control at the time and I would gladly cede it to you if you asked.

[Schaedelbaron]

Shinuyama allready started attacking me so i´m with you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
And i offer peace to Marignon.
Good fighting till now but we both have to focus our forces elsewhere before its too late http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aristander]

My most humble apologies to Shinuyama, he did NOT break or NAP.

I know I took the territory long ago, but I may have lost it to independents at one point.

Shinuyama you may keep the provence. . . for now.

[Dallan_Invictus]

Anyone who wants peace can have it, anyone who'd prefer to continue overrunning me while Shinuyama takes over can do that too. I'm really not in a position to dictate. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Dallan_Invictus]

Well...wow. I thought Rl'yeh was in a great position and then, BAM, out of the blue, dominion kill.

I suppose this means we're all doomed now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[CelestialGoblyn]

Not if we work together.
Or at least negotiate something reasonable.
For example, I don't really mind those Tartarians running around and stuff, but that LIGHTNING is starting to get on my nerves.

[Aristander]

Wow, So was it a dominion Kill. No message except that my pretender was permanently banished. At first I thought my pretender got hit by LIGHTNING, but as I had the Ankh I thought I would get life after death.

My pretender had a dominion of 9 so I did not worry about dominion. I was preoccupied with building labs and constructing Starspawn.

Well another lesson learned for this newbie.
Thanks everyone.

[Schaedelbaron]

was fun playing with you.
till next time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Dallan_Invictus]

Well. I think that at this point I can call Shinuyama the winner, and I'll be going AI. Well played. And also, ow. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Shuma]

Goblyn, are you still playing?

[llamabeast]

Er, I guess this game has finished? There's only one player left!

Congrats to Shuma.

[Shuma]

Yeah, it finished a day or two ago.

GG all!

Oh, and thanks for hosting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif