Game: Star Fall (running)

[Zachariah]

Server IP Address: www.evilzombies.com (http://www.evilzombies.com)
Port: 8096
Late Era, random map of 15 provinces per player, renaming enabled.
Quickhost or every 48 hours.
If you have a stale turn twice in a row, you'll become a computer player.
75 turn limit, unless its still close.
scores will be posted regularly at: http://www.evilzombies.com/dom3/StarFall.html

[Zachariah]

I'm in as Arcosephale.

[coobe]

I´m in as Ulm

[Meglobob]

I'm in as Ermor.

[Sir_Dr_D]

I'm in as Pangaea

[Jazzepi]

I'm in as Jomon.

Jazzepi

[Wahnsinniger]

I'm in as C'tis.

[Stryke11]

I figured I wouldn't do multi again, but I've never played LA, and this sounds like fun so I'll take Man.

[Reverend Zombie]

R'lyeh.

[hako]

Count me in. Abysia.

[Snacktime]

I'll take Tien Chi if that's cool. Thanks!

[Lingchih]

I'll take Midgard.

[Sensori]

Well, even though that turn 75 thing kinda irks me, after thinking about it, I think I still wanna try out Marignon.

[krpeters]

OK, I'm going to give Patala a swing.

BTW, why have so few people uploaded a pretender yet?

[hako]

I'll send mine today at about 21:00 London time (in 7 hours) - still at work :/

[Sensori]

Dammit, I forgot to even try out a possible Pretender! Let me get to it ASAP.

[Lingchih]

I'll upload my pretender tonite when I get home.

[Stryke11]

Pretender uploaded.

[Sandman]

I'd like Caelum.

[Hullu]

Mictlan if there's still room.

Edit: Uploaded my Mictlan pretender.
Edit2: Created a new pretender and uploaded without mods...

[Zachariah]

ok, i kicked this sucker off: seeya on the battlefield!

[Sandman]

Huh, guess I was too long in trying to figure out a good pretender for Late Caelum.

[Jazzepi]

To all those out there researching construction right now.

We will pay well for these items.

-Ring of Regen
-The 10 death gem crown that causes +5 fear (it's name escapes me)
-pendant of luck
-starshine skullcap

Let us know if you reach the ability to make these soon.

Jazzepi

[Lingchih]

15 Provinces per player? The map is extremely crowded in Midgard's area then. I'll be lucky to take six indies before having to go to war.

[Sensori]

It's crowded everywhere. When I went north, I ran to Ulm very fast. South, I ran to C'tis and Arcoscephale. It's not 15 provinces per player, 10 at most. 5 is more probable. ;p

[Sir_Dr_D]

The spacing is just bad. Some nations do have lots of exansion room. That is going to be a problem later on.

[Hullu]

Well, that just basically means that people shouldn't go to war with close neighbors, but the top players province-wise:)

[Stryke11]

I haven't ever played Ermor LA before...do they always start with such a wicked awesome gem income? I feel lucky I seem to be far, far awat from them.

[Meglobob]

Stryke11 said:
I haven't ever played Ermor LA before...do they always start with such a wicked awesome gem income? I feel lucky I seem to be far, far awat from them.



Yes they start with 15D gems from the word go. This is because there economy is magic/gem based rather than money based.

The start I had is the norm for Ermor, Ashen Empire. Everyone thinks big, bad, scarey Ermor early on but by mid game is nothing special. Indeed there magic is very, very narrow, death, death and alittle bit more death. Long term Ermors no threat, of course that won't stop me wiping out 1 or 2 other gods before I go down... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Btw if you look at the stats, other than army/dominion I am not that scarey:- http://www.evilzombies.com/dom3/StarFall.html

[Jazzepi]

Let it be known that the foul and despicable god of Abysia, Hako has broken our NAP one turn after it was formed! Let it be known that the people of Jomon will bring the fight to the fire eater's doors, and crush them for their treachery.

Only one turn, and already Hako's troops pour across our border. We offered them friendship, and alliance, and they repaid us with treachery.

Jazzepi

[Stryke11]

I'd like to ask a question. It may put me at a strategic disadvantage but I don't care because I doubt I'd win this game anyway, but it seems I have some problem starting, because while many other nations have over ten provinces by now, I only have six - and I have had no early wars with nearby neighbors, like other players. Plus, with the exceptions of the times when I needed a scout or commander, I have hired a mage every turn, but my research is lagging behind, too. My army score is one of the highest, but that hasn't translated to more provinces. Are you guys just more reckless with expansion and send your troops out outnumbered? Because yes, I tend to not send out troops unless I know they can win with little to no losses. Being used to SP, I'm amazed with how quickly out of the gate even nations with relatively unarmored troops have managed. I would just be afraid a loss or Pyhrric victory would stunt me in the long run, but apparently that isn't happening to anyone else.

I guess some advice on starting out would be cool. I don't want to put anyone at a disadvantage, but I think we're far enough along that it wouldn't be too bad. You can PM me though if you think that's an issue.

Thanks!

[hako]

Yomons diplomats were just filthy spies, we have treated them as they deserved! By meaning peace, nation of Yomon ment to keep proud nation of Abysia as an obedient slave. That's why we've decided to revolt against Yomon's supremacy! Yomon is growing far too fast and taking lands which by no law should be under his dictatorship! Abysia won't allow this to happen, as we are weaker nation, with no huge income and powerful army like Yomon, we won't hesitate to use any forces, diplomatic or not, to end Yomon's Dominion!

[krpeters]

Big bad scary Ermor also happens to be killing off the population in 15 provinces that I would rather have... it's not his armies I fear, it's his Dominion. Which happens to be way up there too. Who decided to park Ermor's capital in the middle of nowhere so he could expand so massively? Or has he already eaten someone?

And what's up with Mictlan, only 3 provinces?

[Stryke11]

I will be unable to play from Friday night to Sunday night California time (PST). I'm ok with missing a turn but if the timing happens just so that I need to miss two, which I think is unlikely, but still, please don't AI me.

Thanks!

[Sensori]

Jazzepi said:
Only one turn, and already Hako's troops pour across our border. We offered them friendship, and alliance, and they repaid us with treachery.



Your words are empty and without meaning, damned men of Jomon. We heard from the lords of Ulm that you betrayed them, whom had a non-aggression pact with YOU, and who were fighting the evergrowing threat of the undead of Ermor! This makes their path clear and just. Your betrayal now only makes it painfully clear to the free nations of the world that you are indeed not trustworthy and unworthy of anything but scorn. Unless you can, in the most unlikely of events, explain as to why you are committing such heinous acts of aggression towards people whom you claim to be at peace with.

Indeed, you accusing the Abysians for betrayal only makes you seem more devious and hypocritical when you do the exact same thing yourself! What do you have to say for yourselves?

[Jazzepi]

We moved our mercenaries into an neutral province north of Ulm's forces on their last turn to get rid of them so no one else could hire them. Ulm happened to attack the same province. This was also before Ulm took us up on our offer of an NAP. They only lost 3 men.

Abysia's armies, however, poured across our borders.

Jazzepi

[Meglobob]

Trust Ermor, everyone else is completely untrustworthy... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Stryke11]

There should be a movement command that goes something like "attack neutral territory but if another nation manages to attack that territory and win first in the same turn do not attack." That seems like it would clear up many diplomatic blunders, such as above.

[krpeters]

Meglobob said:
Trust Ermor, everyone else is completely untrustworthy... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



I trust that Ermor will be wiping us off the map in a few years, if he continues growing unopposed like this!

[krpeters]

Stryke11 said:
There should be a movement command that goes something like "attack neutral territory but if another nation..."



Or players could choose to ignore minor border skirmishes... or use them as an excuse to attack if it makes them feel better.

[Stryke11]

It's funny that I made that comment earlier, because I just played my turn and Pangaea and I both attacked a province last turn, they did first, won, and then beat my troops.

They can have the province, and hopefully they understand I had no intention of attacking them. As they can see by the small size of the force I sent to take the province, I certainly had no intention of tangling with anything but independents.

As far as I am concerned there is still peace between Man and Pangaea, unless they deem otherwise.

[Lingchih]

Stryke11 said:
I'd like to ask a question. It may put me at a strategic disadvantage but I don't care because I doubt I'd win this game anyway, but it seems I have some problem starting, because while many other nations have over ten provinces by now, I only have six - and I have had no early wars with nearby neighbors, like other players. Plus, with the exceptions of the times when I needed a scout or commander, I have hired a mage every turn, but my research is lagging behind, too. My army score is one of the highest, but that hasn't translated to more provinces. Are you guys just more reckless with expansion and send your troops out outnumbered? Because yes, I tend to not send out troops unless I know they can win with little to no losses. Being used to SP, I'm amazed with how quickly out of the gate even nations with relatively unarmored troops have managed. I would just be afraid a loss or Pyhrric victory would stunt me in the long run, but apparently that isn't happening to anyone else.

I guess some advice on starting out would be cool. I don't want to put anyone at a disadvantage, but I think we're far enough along that it wouldn't be too bad. You can PM me though if you think that's an issue.

Thanks!



I run into this too, since I am fairly conservative in the very early game. But yes, many players attack blindly even on the first turn, just rolling the dice. Especially if they have an awake Pretender. Sometimes this even works. In this game especially, with such tight confines for many of the nations, it was probably a good strategy.

As far as research, some nations are just naturally better at research. They may have really good researchers to recruit, awake Rainbow Mages, boosted magics scales, or all of the above.

[Stryke11]

The time has come for the Lord Magister of Man to make unavoidable decisions for his people. All neutral territories around Man have been taken. There were some remaining to the north, but the armies of Mictlan have conquered a line of territory preventing Man from reaching them.

In order to protect his people from being hemmed in, and noticing the rising power of many potential adversaries in the far east, the Lord Magister, though it pains him to do so, is forced to declare honorable war against the nation of Mictlan. Mictlan's army is a match for that of Man, Man is aware they have every chance of losing this conflict, and this decision hasn't been come to lightly. Proper respect will be shown to the fallen of Mictlan on the battlefield, and the proper rules and decorum of war shall be followed.

In dark times, no man can simply hole up in his keep and wait to be destroyed. Risks must be taken, hard choices must be made. The warriors of Chelms march toward destiny.

Alea iacta est

[Jazzepi]

Bah, the foul land of Emor now spreads it's unholy disease across the realm of Jomon as well. The traitorous Abysia lead by the traitorous Hako, god of lies, will be punished by the people of Jomon, and then we shall drive the undead legions of Emor out as well.

We warn marignon that when Jomon falls, they will be next in line for the chopping block.

Jazzepi

[coobe]

I´m sorry for some misunderstandigs, ulm is at peace with jomon. however i would have wished things went a bit more clear http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[krpeters]

It appears Ermor has gotten a bit bogged down with his zombie hordes...

[Meglobob]

krpeters said:
It appears Ermor has gotten a bit bogged down with his zombie hordes...



Nah...its more horrific than that...its...work http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Do my turn shortly. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Meglobob]

Rejoice, the hydra god, Tyrant of Jomon, number one in the Hall of Heros is slain by the undead of Ermor.

Let this be a warning to all, who would step foot into the lands of the damned...

[Jazzepi]

Pfff, we're almost out of the game and our lizard king had 4 afflictions anyways. Was curious to see how he'd do against Emor PD. Awe isn't terribly effective agaisnt Morale 50 units.

Jazzepi

[Stryke11]

After having this sit in the wrong thread for a day (due no doubt to my current level of exhaustion...)

Man would just like to say that so far all of their neighbors have proven honorable. Even Mictlan, with whom we are at war, has carried themselves with the utmost bravery and honor, and are tenaciously defending their territory with great skill and bravery. Pangaea and Midgard have been worthy neighbors as well.

Time will tell if the gibbering hordes of R'lyeh will content themselves with their watery empire of if they will decide to assault the beaches of Man.

[Jazzepi]

Yummy, the people of Jomon have broken the backs of the army of the double traitorous Hako.

Just in case no one has noticed, Emor is growing at an astounding rate. We call upon all nations nearby him to attack swiftly and without mercy. He will soon overwhelm the entire north eastern section of the map if he is not stopped now.

Jazzepi

[Meglobob]

Jazzepi said:Just in case no one has noticed, Emor is growing at an astounding rate. We call upon all nations nearby him to attack swiftly and without mercy. He will soon overwhelm the entire north eastern section of the map if he is not stopped now.

Jazzepi



Oh please spare me, how exactly am I going to overwhelm the NE of the map? When I can't even overwhelm Ulm?

Also what happened to dieing shortly like you said previously? You really should not make promises that you can't keep... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

My 1,000's of undead should be no problem to the mighty Jomon anyway after there defeat of elite Abysia warriors. You can probably defeat me all by yourself...and then go on to terrorise the world... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Jazzepi]

I'll terroriZe the world all by myself, sure http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Jazzepi

[Lingchih]

Well fought, Mictlan. You still packed quite a punch in that last province. My Vans will sing songs about all their brethren killed in that battle, and the bravery of your soldiers.

[Sensori]

Looks like this game'll be Ermor's. Why do I get the weird feeling that I'm the only one actually "fighting" him right now? Oh well. ;p It's been funny running away from like three over thousand undead armies.... Or make it one over 1,5k army and two over 500 ones, but still, the effect is the same.

[Lingchih]

Nah, he hasn't even encountered the western nations yet. If all the western nations band together, I think we would stand a chance against him. That said, R'lyeh would have to abandon it's attacking of Man, and instead turn toward the East.

[Meglobob]

Sensori said:
Looks like this game'll be Ermor's.



Far, far too early to say that.

Also very insulting to the other world powers, R'lyeh, Man, Arco, T'ien Ch'i.

You yourself (Marignon) are pretty powerful and I have yet to do more than merely scratch you.

Btw did no one tell you, its Holy Marignon's sole responsibility to destroy Unholy Ermor... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


Sensori said:Why do I get the weird feeling that I'm the only one actually "fighting" him right now?



Thats because you and Ulm are the only ones fighting me. I have yet to attack anyone yet. Theres no need, everyone just attacks me and I defend myself.

Notice how Patala meekly give up, after his attack Ermor, attack Ermor, Ermor must be stopped nonsense. Did not even raise a short sword to back his own words up. Moral of the story, only follow a leader who leads from the front.

[Sensori]

You yourself (Marignon) are pretty powerful and I have yet to do more than merely scratch you.



That's because I've managed to dodge your biggest armies a few times, nothing more. I can't hold your zomg 7k and growing fast army at bay with my army of zomg 1,3k and growing pretty slowly. I've won like 1 battle, while you've won all the rest. ;p You don't even need a strategy, all you need to do is come in with your insane undead rush army and it's laik instalose.


Thats because you and Ulm are the only ones fighting me. I have yet to attack anyone yet. Theres no need, everyone just attacks me and I defend myself.



So Jomon, who asked me to attack you, quit fighting you? And Abysia is not fighting you? Sounds "nice". Hey Meglo, I think I found someone to give my gems to when I lose, since all the rest of these guys are PANSIES. At least Ulm tried until he got hacked into shreds. :/

[Stryke11]

By the numbers, Ermor is tough, yes. But being as they are underwater and many of us don't have amphibious capabilities, and even with items our troops have disadvantages, I'd say R'lyeh has more defensive staying power.

My line of heavily guarded coastal provinces with mage support, who of course are just sitting there because they cannot attack is testament to that.

Wind Guide = lifesaver.

[Sensori]

I'm going to go away on Friday and come back on Sunday, so if there's gonna be a turn I might stale, could the turn be postponed a little? Pretty please!

[Zachariah]

I AI'd Ulm cuz they were about to stale again.

[Meglobob]

A dangerous breakaway cult of Ermor priests have taken over province Acyste(51), directly neighbouring Arco's capital.

Ermor has no control over this dangerous cult and his not responsible for any actions they take in the area.

Should any of the neighbouring powers, Arco, Pangaea or C'tis seek to eliminate them feel free to do so.

[Stryke11]

Hail friends. Just a head's up that I have set Man to computer controlled. I missed a turn recently because I have been busy and the commitment required to keep things up is more than I have. Also, I am friendly with my two land-based neighbors and don't want to attack them, and R'lyeh is coming after me (and only me, since they are completely safe in the water) hard, and since I have no amphibious ability, and cannot counterattack, basically were I to continue I'd just have to create troops, send them to the coast, fight off R'lyeh. Defend. Fight off R'lyeh again. Get beaten. Send another army up to take the land back again. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. For weeks. Not so much fun, especially when I don't hardly have any time to play anyway.

Midgard and Pan: feel free to take my territories. To the host, thank you for running this great game!

Good luck everyone!

[Lingchih]

Wow, that changes this game immensely (for me and Pan anyway). Sorry to see you bow out Stryke.

[Wahnsinniger]

Darn you and your cultists! Right in the middle of a warzone nonetheless.

[Meglobob]

Wahnsinniger said:
Darn you and your cultists! Right in the middle of a warzone nonetheless.



They are drawn to the smell of death.

[Sensori]

I is back lawl, sank joo for waiting!

[Sensori]

Well, that's it ya bastaads, I'm going AI, have fun with a huge Ermor. ;p

[Lingchih]

I think Man is doing better since he went AI.

[Meglobob]

New patch 3.10 out, but please remember to do your turn with 3.08 until the host updates the server.

[Reverend Zombie]

Lingchih said:
I think Man is doing better since he went AI.



He's fighting me, and he definitely is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

[Meglobob]

Reverend Zombie said:

Lingchih said:
I think Man is doing better since he went AI.



He's fighting me, and he definitely is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif



At least the AI nations on my side... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Snacktime]

Hey - can we safely upgrade to 3.10 or do we need to keep on 3.08 for this game for a while?

[Snacktime]

Also, is there a server problem? I staled last turn because I did my whole turn and then it told me connection to server broken. The same is threatening to happen again...the problem is not my internet connection.

[Snacktime]

Can someone delay the turn for 24 hours? My whole turn was lost for the second time in a row I assume because the connection with the server was lost; I'd rather not stale twice, and I doubt I can redo before the time runs.

[Meglobob]

The server is down.

Someone probably crashed it by doing there turn using 3.10.

Use 3.08 until Zachariah updates the server with 3.10.

I have PM'ed Zachariah.

[Lingchih]

Actually, Zach upgraded the server to 3.10 (or so he posted in the game the next port up-8097, Dawn of War).

I logged into Dawn of War and did my turn just fine with 3.10. But this game is down... just hangs on the waiting for server screen.

[Snacktime]

Given the server problems, can we delay the next turn for another 48 hours after the server is fixed? My ability to redo my turn will be limited in the next 24 hours.

[hako]

Is server alright? I cannot connect... Using still 3.08 or 3.10?

[Meglobob]

I can connect fine with 3.10.

3.08 no longer works.

[Zachariah]

yah, sorry: server updated to 3.10

[Lingchih]

I don't have the big picture, but I can read the graphs. Is it time to just give this game to Ermor, or are there enough forces out there to continue? I can hold against him for maybe 10 more turns, but it will be purely a defensive retreat on my part. Does anyone seriously challenge him?

[Sir_Dr_D]

The army size of ermor doesn't concern me. It is easy enough to destroy huge armies of skeletons.

But Ermor has twice as much magic reasearch as anyone else, an insane gem income, and most of the provinces on the map.

Even if we all ban together I don't see how we can beat them.

[Snacktime]

We have to throw everything we have at him, defensive retreats won't work because he gets bigger and bigger. Let's take our massive losses now in an all out offensive rather than slink back to our capitals to die.

I know it's hard to tell because I can't see the whole map, but I still don't think everyone has really started fighting Ermor full on. Midgard just got to him really, and I don't think R'lyeh is fighting him right now, nor is Pangaea.

The odds are terrible so I understand, but our only chance is if we all throw everything at him at once.

Of course, I agree that the chances are low, and I gotta believe Utterdark is coming soon...

[Lingchih]

OK. I will fight on as long as everyone else is willing, or at least until my Pretender has bit it. I have an army or two of his tied up for now, so someone please try and take advantage of that.

-Midgard

[Meglobob]

Thats the spirit...where theres life theres hope!

Cthulhu, the Hidden One, the Undeceivable God, the Far Traveler and Moe, God of Mountains, Bestower of Good Gifts, Symbol of Unchallenged Victory are still very much a serious threat to me.

I have been fighting R'yleh for some time now btw...

R'yleh, T'ien Ch'i, Abysia and Midgard have all been attacking me.

I am very interested in seeing if I can win vs you all and bringing eternal night and damnation to the world of Starfall.

[Lingchih]

Which begs the question? Why has Pangaea not attacked Ermor?

[Sir_Dr_D]

Pangaea would like to borrow either a ring of sorcery, a cloak of the Magi, or aring of wizardry for one turn. If someone can offer me one it will make a big diference.

[Zachariah]

i AI'd Abysia cuz they were about to stale a 2nd time in a row.

[Lingchih]

Fight on against the darkness. Hope is not yet lost (although it's pretty damn close to being lost).

In other news, AI Man is now destroying Pangaea, routing R'lyeh, and massing huge armies on my southern border.

Go AI!!!

[Snacktime]

There sure has been a lot of premature AI'ing in this game. What's up with that? I mean the minute I gained a leg up on Patala he went AI, and Jomon, Man and Arco went AI for unclear reasons way before they were defeated. Sort of defeats the purpose of an MP game.

*end rant*

[Lingchih]

If only we could convince the AI to attack Ermor http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Snacktime]

Man AI is like having a tiny slice of Ermor on the other side of the map annoying Midgard, Pangaea and Rlyeh. The AI will never attack Ermor because he's never even seen Ermor, and I'm sure Ermor will happily spare him until all the humans are dead.

[Lingchih]

Actually Man has a border with Ermor now. That shows you how well they are doing. But yeah, why would it attack Ermor, when it has such juicier targets that are already at war with it.

[Sir_Dr_D]

Lingchih said:
In other news, AI Man is now destroying Pangaea, routing R'lyeh, and massing huge armies on my southern border.




Yes I am losing to AI Man right now. It is rather embarassing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif Lets not mention it.

[Sensori]

Snacktime said:
There sure has been a lot of premature AI'ing in this game. What's up with that? I mean the minute I gained a leg up on Patala he went AI, and Jomon, Man and Arco went AI for unclear reasons way before they were defeated.



As I said, PANSIES the lot of 'em! At least I was at death's door when I went AI. Ermor had destroyed my armies and was at my capital. And NO ONE was willing to help against Ermor except Coobe and his already back then dead Ulm.

And to all those who said that "nooooo Ermor won't be a problem for us western nations"...

Who's laughing NOW?

[Reverend Zombie]

Sensori said:

And to all those who said that "nooooo Ermor won't be a problem for us western nations"...

Who's laughing NOW?



Only the dead http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif...or the mad!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

[Meglobob]

Snacktime said:
Man AI is like having a tiny slice of Ermor on the other side of the map annoying Midgard, Pangaea and Rlyeh. The AI will never attack Ermor because he's never even seen Ermor, and I'm sure Ermor will happily spare him until all the humans are dead.



Correct!

Ermor found the minds of Man weak, we influence them to do our bidding... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

You should all accept your fate and join the ever growing ranks of the undead... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Snacktime]

The brave warriors of Tien Chi take down yet another 1000 unit army of undead. These jokers haven't beaten me yet, but I still feel hopeless. Something about getting as many new troops a turn as I have levied in the entire game...

Also, and I hate to do this, but can we delay the turn clock until Monday? I am going out of town this weekend and unexpectedly won't have internet due to a broken wireless card without time to fix. I don't think I'll have time to do my current turn before I go. I'd really appreciate it - let me know. I'd send a pm but I'm not sure who is in control of the server.

[Meglobob]

Zacariah is the host and in charge of the server.

[Snacktime]

Hey all - I'm ready to call it a victory for Ermor. I was gone this weekend and missed a turn, but it wouldn't have mattered anyway. He is flame attacking my leaders every turn, and they are my only hope. His size is now beyond stopping. I can't really muster a big offensive. Let me know your thoughts.

[Snacktime]

Hi all. Now that the world has darkened, I bow before the undead. Nice job, Meglobob. I have learned the key lesson, which is that next time I play Late Age, I will devote all my energy to killing Ermor early.

[Meglobob]

Snacktime said:
Hi all. Now that the world has darkened, I bow before the undead. Nice job, Meglobob. I have learned the key lesson, which is that next time I play Late Age, I will devote all my energy to killing Ermor early.



Yea, I agree. I have played a few LA games now and it really is best to kill Ermor and then Ryleh. Those 2 nations can dominate the LA era.

[Sensori]

Duuh, it's always been like that! First, you destroy Ashen Empire Ermor. Then and only then you play the game with yon worthy adversaries. Although in D3 late age I guess you could say both Ermor and R'lyeh need to be taken care of!

[Sir_Dr_D]

The army of the nation of Pangaea simply refuses toadmit defeat. And they make a stand and prepare to push back the armies of Ermor. But then the armies of man shoot them in the back.

[Reverend Zombie]

The mad ones of R'lyeh scatter in confusion with the loss of our god, leaving the field to Ermor.

[Reverend Zombie]

That is to say, good game, Meglobob!

[Lingchih]

Midgard surrenders. Nicely done, Meglobob.

[Lingchih]

I'm actually surrendering to Man, since they took half my nation. But I understand that they are your Underlings, Ermor http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Meglobob]

Thanks everyone and thanks for the game.

I had a really good starting position up in the north, northeast which meant I could not be surrounded early on. If I had been further south it may have been a very different game.

Man going AI so early helped me out alot as well. The AI's attacks on Ryleh, Pangaea and Midgard (I assume) where just like having an ally in the west.

Also Abysia and Jomon going to war with each another well I defeated Ulm/Marignon helped.

A good bit of luck but you also after have the skill to take advantage of it... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


Sir_Dr_D said:
The army of the nation of Pangaea simply refuses toadmit defeat. And they make a stand and prepare to push back the armies of Ermor. But then the armies of man shoot them in the back.



Does this mean your playing on Pangaea or are you accepting your fate as a zombie?

Not a bad life being a zombie, all the brains you can munch and no worries or cares ever again... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Sir_Dr_D]

That was my way of saying that the situation was hopeless.

Pangaea was going to become zombies anyway, even without Ermor's help. They were about 50 nature gems away from casting Carrion Woods. (which included an enpowerment.) But Pangaea asks Ermor if they can keep their current stylish green zombie look, instead of what they find the boring Ermor grey.

[Meglobob]

Sir_Dr_D said:But Pangaea asks Ermor if they can keep their current stylish green zombie look, instead of what they find the boring Ermor grey.



No problem...as long as you submit to the will of the one true god:-

Death Becomes You, Mistress of Magic, She who is Crowned with Wisdom, the Terror of the Tomb, the Evil Princess.

Looks like this game is over then. Thanks to everyone for playing and Zach for hosting.

[Jazzepi]

Meglobob said:
Thanks everyone and thanks for the game.

I had a really good starting position up in the north, northeast which meant I could not be surrounded early on. If I had been further south it may have been a very different game.

Man going AI so early helped me out alot as well. The AI's attacks on Ryleh, Pangaea and Midgard (I assume) where just like having an ally in the west.

Also Abysia and Jomon going to war with each another well I defeated Ulm/Marignon helped.

A good bit of luck but you also after have the skill to take advantage of it... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


Sir_Dr_D said:
The army of the nation of Pangaea simply refuses toadmit defeat. And they make a stand and prepare to push back the armies of Ermor. But then the armies of man shoot them in the back.



Does this mean your playing on Pangaea or are you accepting your fate as a zombie?

Not a bad life being a zombie, all the brains you can munch and no worries or cares ever again... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif



*cough*

Abysia attacked me the turn after agreeing to a 3 turn NAP without any notice (obviously). Seeing Emor growing larger and larger on our border, I offered him a second chance to ally with me against him as I knew even if I defeated Abysia I would have no chance against Emor as we would both be weakened. Again he agreed, and then 2 turns later betrayed that agreement.

Then later he asked if I wished to join in an alliance against Emor, but by that time I was already setting myself to AI so that I could sub for Lingchin.

I, for one, will never trust Hako again. He did a great job of throwing the game to Meglobob.

Jazzepi

[Meglobob]

If it makes you feel any better, I had a 3 turn NAP with him and he attacked me without warning as well.

Perhaps he was roleplaying a evil backstabbing Abysia or perhaps just plain forgetful?!?

I did put alot of effort (bribery) into securing a NAP with Abysia early on and I remember giving you some skull mentors for peace. Ermor is vulnerable early on, so you need to get a ally or 2 or just really make sure they don't attck you until your ready to take on the world.

[Snacktime]

We really needed some earlier attacks on Ermor. I would have attacked him sooner, but I wasn't anywhere near him until he got enormous. I think Abyssia was probably the best person to do this, especially since fire and undead don't mix well.

Abyssia's throwing of the game was completed when his stolen security key stopped working with the 3.10 patch, and so he went AI right when we were all ganging up on Ermor. Of course, it didn't help that Man AI, utterly unaware of Ermor, reduced everyone's ability to fight Ermor.

But give credit where credit is due. Meglobob kicked our butts. Nice work!

[Sensori]

It was fun being completely isolated and alone in the fight against Ermor. I expected Abysia to be the first one to attack him, but nah, it was Ulm (who died)... Then there was Jomon (Jazzepi) who got beaten to a pulp who got me to help him, and when I got some of the aggro off him... Why didn't you halp my ***, Jazzepi?-p

Was it because Abysia attacked you or something?

And the moment I saw Meglo, I knew he was gonna win. No one believed me ("west will stop him!11!1"), BUT I GOT THE LAST LAUGH.

HA HA HA.

[Meglobob]

Sensori said:
BUT I GOT THE LAST LAUGH.

HA HA HA.



No, I think you will find that I laughed last and the longest... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Sensori]

No, you're wrong, I started laughing laik when I was losing. I knew you'd win BY THEN ALREADY! So obviously I have been laughing the longest!

[Snacktime]

Our ability to gang up on Ermor was also limited when Jomon and Arco went AI early.

[Lingchih]

It would have been nice to go one more turn (though I was totally unable to with my economy ruined by the Utterdark).
I was just about to cast Solar Brilliance when I engaged one of his big armies. I've never seen that spell in action.

[Meglobob]

Besides everything you all know about from the graphs/globals, I also had:-

All 3 air queens.
2 fire Kings.
2 water queens.
1 earth king.
King of Banefires.
4 fully healed, gift of reasoned tartarians.
Alot of unique artifacts, including the chalice, sceptre of dark regency.
I was going to cast Wrath of God in 2 turns as well.

All in all it was a little sick...how powerful I was... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Snacktime]

I haven't played many late age games, but it seems like either Ermor gets killed early or Ermor gets out of control. Especially with Utterdark available, Ermor is going to devastate everyone if he makes it to late game. I guess that is an interesting game dynamic, but I don't know. Or maybe I'm just not that up on late age.

[Sensori]

It's been like that since Dominions 1 with Ashen Empire Ermor. First, you kill Ermor. Then, you play the game with the rest of the folks. There's nothing in between. Never has been, and never will be. ;p

[Meglobob]

Snacktime said:
I haven't played many late age games, but it seems like either Ermor gets killed early or Ermor gets out of control. Especially with Utterdark available, Ermor is going to devastate everyone if he makes it to late game. I guess that is an interesting game dynamic, but I don't know. Or maybe I'm just not that up on late age.




Sensori said:
It's been like that since Dominions 1 with Ashen Empire Ermor. First, you kill Ermor. Then, you play the game with the rest of the folks. There's nothing in between. Never has been, and never will be. ;p



I agree.

But also now even if you eliminate Ermor, you then have R'lyeh to deal with, for a more balanced LA game its probably best to exclude both nations.

Otherwise, your just repeating the same scenario over and over again. Its fun a couple of times but then it gets boring and there are some really good fun nations to play in LA.

[Snacktime]

why is LA R'lyeh a similar problem? excuse my ignorance http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lingchih]

Well, LA R'lyeh has a Dominion that causes everyone in it to go mad, so that in itself makes no one want to invade R'lyeh. They also recruit chaff and Prophets without any effort on their part... they just pop up. And they also have access to the base R'lyeh mages... nasty folks. And since no one else is in the water in Late Age, they command quite a huge province base early.

[Jazzepi]

Sensori said:
It was fun being completely isolated and alone in the fight against Ermor. I expected Abysia to be the first one to attack him, but nah, it was Ulm (who died)... Then there was Jomon (Jazzepi) who got beaten to a pulp who got me to help him, and when I got some of the aggro off him... Why didn't you halp my ***, Jazzepi?-p

Was it because Abysia attacked you or something?

And the moment I saw Meglo, I knew he was gonna win. No one believed me ("west will stop him!11!1"), BUT I GOT THE LAST LAUGH.

HA HA HA.



I did everything I could to try to turn Hako (Abysia) to fight Emor, but he was, for lack of a better word, stupid and continued to attack me. We would have been fine, but I had to defend myself, which gave him huge losses, and once he research fire arrows, gave me huge losses.

Jazzepi

[Snacktime]

Yeah I vote hako biggest loser in this game. Even when it became massively obvious it was time to attack Ermor, hako insisted on spending about 6 turns conquering by-then AI Jomon rather than attacking Ermor. During this time his big army sat around sieging Jomon's capital while Ermor doubled in size. Then hako promptly went AI himself because he had a stolen key code that stopped working with 3.10. I think he attacked Ermor maybe once between wasting his time conquering Jomon and going AI. And all this was after he apparently refused to cooperate with the northern folks who were trying to stop Ermor early.