Humans. Stomp. *crunch crunch*

[Taqwus]

Perhaps one of the goofier single-player SCs I've used -- this one in an overly lackadaisical Machaka game stomping some hapless Pythians. Sestos has 1,042 confirmed kills so far. In a wacky coincidence, the heroic quickness came -after- all the trample-happy gear was assigned. :p

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/538844-crunchy.jpg

[coobe]

cool dude http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I like screenies of SC´s... there was once a thread, we should start a new one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Shovah32]

Why is not he the optimisationalized for t3h trampling?(ring of regen>trident and aegis>charcoal atleast http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif).

Anyway very nice, although i dare say that my favourite seraph would kill him rather quickly(along with every single unit visible on-screen;)).

[Wahnsinniger]

Well, due to what coobe said, I'll post this SC/Thug up. He's obviously not the same caliber as Sestos there, but when I got him as a Hero, I knew he'd make a perfect prophet. Fits in perfectly with LA Ulm's Interior Strength/Defensive theme, being stronger in his own dominion and all. I empowered him with Air-1('cause I had the gems sitting around), and it means he can cast mistform at the start of battle. It was in SP, and he doesn't have the best equipment, only up to Construction-6 items.
Cool Name though.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/538904-Burkhard2.jpg

[Shovah32]

Very nice prophet choice - one of my favourite heroes. Heroic strength?

[Wahnsinniger]

No actually, he has heroic toughness (so I should get rid of that barkskin amulet thing). The high strength right there is from +8 Dominion(And Experience, Blood-Blessing, Boots)

[coobe]

I just saw this Baby on the AllUnits Map. Anyone of you guys ever had one of those ?



http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/538926-monster.png

[NTJedi]

coobe said:
I just saw this Baby on the AllUnits Map. Anyone of you guys ever had one of those ?

Can only upload it as attachment no idea how else to show ? PM would be nice http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



That's one of the special horrors, if you have a commander/mage with lots of horror marks... then maybe just maybe it will attack.

[Shovah32]

Check out umors(the eater of gods) final form.

[Ballbarian]

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[Taqwus]

Sestos doesn't have the Aegis, because another Tartarian does. :p But the chains are a waste on that build; none of the remaining AIs fields size 6 combatants very much at all.


coobe said:
I just saw this Baby on the AllUnits Map. Anyone of you guys ever had one of those ?



Interesting question is how long you can keep it. Scabiel, at least, will accept your orders.

Might be a good use of the Gift of Kurgi -- a flying, lucky, ethereal tank with four Area 1 foot-stomps.

[Arralen]

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[coobe]

alright thanks everyone, got it now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. would be cool if we see more screenies of Sc´s or other awesome stuff

[Shovah32]

He buffs with phoenix pyre, strength of gaia, summon earthpower, soul vortex and then either whatever buff is deemed most useful for the battle(iron will, personal luck, breath of winter, misform, quickness ect) or simply some sort of devastatingly powerful spell such as soul drain, shimmering fields or master enslave.
His fear is +10, his awe is +6, his resistances are S100%, F100%, C200% and P100%. His chill is 16, his fireshield is 16ap damage and his reinvigoration is 18(22 after summon earthpower).
Sure he is still vunerable to instant death, sure petrify could still kill him and sure I still loathe the spells infernal prison and claws of cocytus(oh look, my B1 mage can gather enough resources to destroy 8 SCs per game turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif) but i love this guy. Also, 22 reinvigoration, soul vortex and soul drain work very well with phoenix pyre.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/538973-Uriel.jpg

edit: Apologies for the size, im new at this.

[Wahnsinniger]

....Ehhh...he's PRETTY big, but....nahhh.

Heh, anyway, we should probably institute an image-cropping policy...

[Shovah32]

I hope you were simply referring to the size of the image due to the area outside the unit box taking up space.

[PashaDawg]

Wow! That's quite the deadly angel.

How did you get such wacked-out defense?

How did you get 10 in every magic type?

Pasha

[Micah]

Pasha, multiple wishes for power, I'd guess, along with some empowering.

[llamabeast]

I guess 10 in every magic is from wishing.

But where does all the strength, attack and defence come from? Is that more wishing as well? I'm guessing that was quite an expensive angel!

[MaxWilson]

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Wishing for "Power" grants you something like +50 hit points, +5 attack, +5 defense, +3 precision, +10 strength per wish. I'm guessing that's what happened to Uriel.

That's a pretty whacked-out angel. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I wonder what happens if you Prophetize him and let him get a heroic ability, too.

-Max

[Shovah32]

Many wishes for power are indeed what made him into his current army destroying self although he already is my prophet(which is why he is blessed in the picture despite being out of combat).

[BigDisAwesome]

Now how the hell is he NOT in the Hall of Fame!?

[NTJedi]

Shovah32 said:
Many wishes for power are indeed what made him into his current army destroying self although he already is my prophet(which is why he is blessed in the picture despite being out of combat).



Using modding and/or map edit commands you could create one even more powerful.

[MaxWilson]

Well yeah, but that's cheating. At least for purposes of geeky SC-sharing.

-Max

[Kristoffer O]

Hmm, that is actually shameless!

Now you have spoilt it for every one else http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Shovah32]

I think the next step for me, as NT said, it to mod/map edit some-one into an unstoppable SC of doom(or just remove those 2 blood spells and petrify http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif).

[MaxWilson]

Even if you remove Petrify and the 2 blood spells, your SC still looks like it would lose to an army of banshees. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Edit: No, wait. Does Phoenix Pyre protect vs. Soul Slay? Maybe even the banshees wouldn't work.

-Max

[Taqwus]

An army of banshees? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

Probably cheaper to spam life-draining banners, actually, and the banners don't need to beat either defense or MR.

Against that sort of viciousness, well, that's when you want Blood Vengeance. :p

[MaxWilson]

Hmmm. The Seraph appears to have spent about 2000 pearls on Wishes, which would buy 50 banners or so (assuming 50% losses from alchemizing but also dwarven hammers). Assuming the banners are given to mages (MR ~15) and not just normal commanders, I doubt even Blood Vengeance could save you. (It'll block maybe 35% of the 700 points of damage per round.)

However. Doesn't Phoenix Pyre bring you back at full hit points? With a reinvigoration of 22 and 1300 hit points, I'm not at all sure the Seraph wouldn't survive. Maybe if all the mages had a D9 bless...

Edit: No, wait, I know. Just hit him with a few Magma Eruptions first. The smoke clouds it leaves behind always increase fatigue significantly. It's possible that heat resistance prevents that, though; must test. Failing that, use Sleep or its equivalent. Anything that increases fatigue, in order to combat Phoenix Pyre.

I'm quite impressed that it's so hard to come up with (non-blood) ways to kill this guy off.

-Max

[Kristoffer O]

Stream of life?

Edit: Hmm, maybe its MR

[RamsHead]

Petrify followed by the Devourer of Souls.

[Sandman]

Lots of acid bolts might do the job.

[Stryke11]

I am also bothered that a lucky B1 mage could potentially down this sucker. By all righs, due to the cost, he should be absolutely unstoppable by any means but another one like him.

[Kristoffer O]

Actually, due to the cost he should be stoppable by a young farm hand or mage apprentice http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[BigDisAwesome]

Hahahhaha. Insert EVERY SINGLE RPG EVER MADE here.

[Stryke11]

Reminds me of the list of evil overlord commandments somewhere out there on the internets. Something about hunting down all unnassuming young people who may be be the children of someone the evil overlord killed or something like that.

[Wahnsinniger]

Though I throughly enjoyed the RPG joke there (I did actually Laugh-out-loud), whats with the no-SC pics? Something a little more realistic this time perhaps?

[MaxWilson]

Why are pics necessary, vs. just the stats? Some things show up better in stats than in pics anyway, such as the exact level of fear or awe or regen.

Me, I'm currently a fan of the good old cheap-o Wraith Lord kit: Shadow Brand, Shield of Gleaming Gold, Boots of Flying, Pendant of Luck. 22 gems (7D 6E 3F 3A 3S) for equipment, great mobility for leftover expansion, raids and putting down barbarian infestations (on Misfortune-3 I get those regularly), can cast Soul Vortex. Fear +3, Awe +0, Attack 20 (effectively), Defense 21, 33 hit points (although more often 48+ because of Soul Vortex the previous turn), MR 17, heals afflictions, Morale 30, ethereal, lucky, flying, (poorly) amphibious. Immortal in friendly dominion but that's not really relevant. Can resist any amount of chaff (except from LA Ermor, with this gear) and kill 70-100 per turn before they rout. To kill larger armies, either play tactical positioning games to cut off retreat or combine Wraith Lord with a necromancer in the back casting Rigor Mortis and/or Plague.

-Max

[PashaDawg]

I like the eye candy!

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I've been working on a single pretender in SP and MP, on and off. I succeed for a while, then find a whole new way to kill myself off. The basic design is stuck, for now but I'm experimenting with equipment and whatnot. I don't want to tip my hand quite yet with this pretender, and give away everything, since I haven't seen combat yet in my very, very cramped mp game. Though some NAPS allow me to take my pretender off my capital for once.

This time I waited for some equipment, and got about 300 kills by the end of year three. If anything, fear's more of an impediment, cutting down on my casualty rate. Though I do find a way to kill myself of, especially against a weird Jotunheim/Not-Ermor combo that I suppose was mercs with flaming blades.

I think I've struck on some sort of equipment goal, though a bit late. So.. what's the earliest you'd call a supercombatant, and what qualifies as super by year three. No Tartarians, please. I'm curious about what measuring stick I should aim for before my MP game gets to the points my sp games reached.

[sum1lost]

I have one in year three in one game. Archangel with fear+awe combo, ethereal, lucky coin, frostbrand, birch boots, regeneration amulet, reinvigoration amulet.

Pretty much phoenixpower + fireshields himself, then dives into melee and casts close-range evocations or attacks. It came more than halfway through the year, though.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Anyways, here's my supe making his debut in late summer, year two. He's not fully developed, thanks to placing close to hostile Jomon, hostile R'lyeh, crowded by neutral Caelum and Arcosephale, and large barbarian hordes I had trouble expanding and getting all my research out. I'm still waiting on some research, but Jomon still couldn't touch this. I'm sure he can manage something, though, given time- though Utgard surely is making that difficult for him.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/539567-Ymir_03.jpg

Notes: Dominion -1, Cold is only 1, so I don't get full bennies from the frosty winter wonderland I'm working on. Didn't do my full spellscript, just earthpower, air shield, iron skin. At the end of an admittedly smaller than expected battle, hadn't taken one hit.

Awe +2, Chill 25, Reinvig 4. I do have further plans, but I was forced to deploy early. Im really pissed that there's only one lake in Outsider, and R'lyeh's right there. It makes sense for him to declare war, but paralysis is a problem. Hence I'm trying to end my war with Jomon ASAP.

[BigDisAwesome]

Here was one I was using in a game while I was fighting LA Ermor.
I also had 2 Kings of Elemental Earth and 2 Kings of Elemental Fire to soak up attacks.

His scripting was Undead Mastery.

That was about all I needed against LA Ermor.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8063/scxy0.jpg

[Kristoffer O]

He seems almost unstoppable, with all that MR and stuff. The one thing that would do him in is ... Banefire http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Salamander8]

Maybe not a true SC, but definitely one of my favorite prophets of all time that I had linked in a different thread:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/Salamander8/Prophet2.jpg

Can switch the Bracer out of course, he was actually switching between it and some other items I had made. This was in a Dom9 province with GoH and he has the +hit points hall of fame ability. Being able to only have 2 misc items hurts, especially seeing as one of them has to be the amulet of the fish for land work.

[SlipperyJim]

coobe said:
cool dude http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I like screenies of SC´s... there was once a thread, we should start a new one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


Okay, I'll post a few screenies from my latest Ulm Reborn game for your consideration. NOTE: I play SP, so I'm not going to make any claims about how well these guys would perform in MP....

First, we have Tiamat, the commander of Team Tarrasque:
http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/1816/teamtarrasquecommanderszl5.jpg
Only having two Misc slots puts a real limit on how thoroughly I can "pimp out" my big lizard, but that's okay. Tarrasques don't really need much equipment to be hardcore killing machines. The Astral empowerment is so that she can Gateway her buddies in Team Tarrasque all over the world to do my evil bidding.

Second, the noble Van Duk:
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/678/vanduksmallwj8.jpg
He's not a full-fledged SC, but he does make a good Thug. Keen observers will note that Van Duk is carrying a Hell Sword which was forged by tainted Blood magic. How does he rationalize such evil with the strict moral code of Ulm Reborn? Simple ... his God told him that it was okay. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Third, Liwet the Sternheld:
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/1/liwetthesternheldsmallci3.jpg
Again, not a true SC, but a great Thug. He self-buffs with Personal Luck, Astral Shield, &amp; Mistform. Then Liwet soars over the fray to strike the enemy's vulnerable rear. What's his heroic ability? Why, Awesome Presence, of course....

Finally, the only "true" SC of this post, Antrax the King of Banefires:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3951/kingofbanefiressmallqx5.jpg
His MR is a bit low, but my AI opponents haven't figured out how to take advantage of that weakness. If I were playing Antrax against a human, I'd give him some +MR gear for sure. Probably a Starshine Cap and a Lead Shield....

[coobe]

This is my baby, created in a blitz. he might not be a good sc, but i suck at making scs in general so i think its pretty good for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/542845-machak.bmp

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Here's the latest evolution of Ymir, sitting pretty in my capital. R'lyeh's been busy horrormarking me, but I fought off the first basic horror rather easily.

Do you think I have enough defense on my pretender to beat a horror with a measly 18 attack skill?

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/542854-Ymir_04.jpg

Does anyone have any screenshots of the stats of this Umor I keep hearing about? Whats blood vengeance, anyways?

[Endoperez]

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/446328-temp.jpg

Soul Leech: AN AoE life drain, MR negates, 0 damage (+str)
Life Drain: AN life drain, 0 dmg
Consume Soul: Death, MR negates
Astral Claw: AN, 0 dmg, increases Horror Mark
Curse Luck: special AoE effect of Curse Luck, length 4 so allows for repel. Curse Luck effect:

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/463812-temp.jpg

Blood Vengeance means that every time the creature is subject to damage, the one dealing the damage must make a magic resistance check or suffer it himself. Soul Slay -&gt; suicide, melee hits -&gt; own damage, longbowmen killing themselves, etc. The better the attacker's magic resistance, the less effective this is.

Umor, the Eater of Gods, seems to be more likely to attack horror-marked pretenders. He has three forms. His first, physically the most powerful, has the following stats:

55 HP
15 Prot
19 MR
20 Strength
22 Attack
12 Defence
Blood Vengance +0
1xCurse Luck
1xLifedrain
4xAstral Claw
and, of course, etherealness/magic being/fear etc

His second and third form have less hp and attack, but more defense, and the special abilities increase. He'll be rather difficult to finish off...

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/442543-temp.gif

[Jazzepi]

I hope 30 horror marks are enough to summon this guy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Jazzepi

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I'm interested in seeing how Cursed Luck works in practice.

I'm not exactly afraid though. The combination of 34 defense (12 more or 2% chance) and mirror image may cause Umor a little trouble.

So which of these Horror attacks go up against MR, and which against Defense, and which both?

[Endoperez]

Remember that each attack lowers the defense by 2 until the end of that round. With 5 to 6 attacks, the last ones will have much greater chance of getting through...

The above is true of all attacks, and explains why swarming brings down high-defence units.

Fatigue is another killer.

[Zath]

I've been wondering about this for some time, but is the defense penalty for being swarmed affected by etherealness and luck? In other words, if a unit avoids an attack due to etherealness or luck, will its defense still be reduced by 2 for the next attack?

[Aethyr]

This is a great question, I would like to know the answer as well.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Good point about the defense penalty. Well, I can increase my defense further, but can't rely on getting off more than one spell before the Horror's at my feet.

Ironskin's useless with the Armor Penetration/Piercing. Mistform is useless. Earthpower - I'm not likely to have a long battle. That leaves Mirror Image, which I'm unfortunately not quite strong enough in to depend on.

Still, I can count on my defense preventing at least half of the first wave of attacks, barring unusually bad luck. And even with the last attack (though unluck is risky), I'll have at least a 54% chance of not being hit.

[Endoperez]

Chainmail of Displacement (automatic Mirror Image AND +3 def) and Boots of Quickness (Quickenss grants +3 att, 3 def) will increase the defence even further.

IIRC, Swords of Quickness increase defence just as well as Ice Swords, and also grant twice as many attacks.

If you want protective gear, Starshine Skullcap (S2, boosts Astral magic and magic resistance) is much better than Horror Helmet against Doom Horrors.

[Aethyr]

Hmmm...I did not know that Chainmail of Displacement also granted Mirror Image--thanks!

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I'm currently limited to construction two, and trade.

As I'm waging war against R'lyeh, I'm probably going to prioritize MR and chaff slaughtering abilities.

There are two problems with Chainmail of Displacement and Boots of Quickness, though they'll probably come into play once I start worrying about heavier horrors. If R'lyeh has there way, that won't be long. The Horror Mark spell can't be resisted, right?

First, Chainmail of Displacement- encumbrance of 2 - pretty good for armor, but I'm driving for negative fatigue. My normal spell prep leaves me halfway worn out, and that fatigue makes me vulnerable. I've often had my commander die by falling asleep in the middle of battle. Also has the misfortune of costing ten air gems. I control very little territory in this game, and can't afford it.

Boots of Quickness will help again, once I face heavier horrors. But... they'll also fatigue me twice as fast, too. I'll consider it. But simply using two swords doesn't increase fatigue nearly as much.

[Jazzepi]

Horror mark and astral geyser most definitely do not check MR.

I hope you get a doom horror next turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Jazzepi

[Aethyr]

LP--

Your magic resistance is more than decent and you've got two the swords. If fatigue is the problem it seems to me you'd be much better going with Boots of the Messenger and Amulet of Resilience. These two items along with starting your script with "Summon Earth Power" shoud make you pretty much fatigue free.