EA PBEM Doom Chicken

[Hadrian_II]

Hi everyone

I'm thinking about to start a new PBEM game in the early age, as i have no server, it would be a very traditionally handhosted game (but i would not decline, if someone would have a server to use http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif)

The Map will Cradle of Dominion (fixed).

I will be playing Kailasa. (i suppose there would be no agreement on banning ranged weapons http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)

I will start the game, if there are at least 10 participants, but i would have no problem with a full house either.

About the Rules:

Everything will be normal, with the exception that the Hall of Fame will be sized 15.

Mods:
I will use Velusions Big game Mod:
That means Arcane nexus will be very expensive, and also gem producing items will have a higher price.
Link (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=527829&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)
Worthy Heroes Mod will be used also.

Pace:
The game will move 1 turn a day until at least turn 18 (with maybe some sluggishness because of the manual hosting), and then i will change it to 2 days per turn when 3 people want it.

Nations:
Abysia: Janlm
Agharta: Szumo
Arcoscephale: PAR
Atlantis: Valandil
Caelum: Cor2
C'tis: Lazy_Perfectionist
Kailasa: Hadrian-II
Mictlan: Ubercat
Rlyeh: Sir_Dr_D
Sauromantia: duke_commando
Vanheim: Papastoss
Yomi: Burnsaber

Please state what nation you want, when you sign up.

[Cor2]

I think llammabeast might be willing to let you use his PBEM automated server. You should ask. I am in about 5 games right now so I will think about taking a slot here.

You should link to the mods you are going to use.

[Ubercat]

I'd like Mictlan please. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Cor2]

okay give me Caelum, never played them, should be fun.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I'd like to reserve Ctis, please.

[Janlm]

i'll play, i'm going to figure out a nation once i get back from work http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Cor2]

Can I suggest we play Epic Heros mod?

[Hadrian_II]

Cor2 said:
Can I suggest we play Epic Heros mod?



As i see it, this Mod gives you a thug at start, so i dont like it, if you want something like that, you can get a SC god.

Also it looked like the mod only does work in MA.

[Ubercat]

Hadrian_II said:

Cor2 said:
Can I suggest we play Epic Heros mod?



As i see it, this Mod gives you a thug at start, so i dont like it, if you want something like that, you can get a SC god.

Also it looked like the mod only does work in MA.



How does it give you a thug at start? I'm in several of llamabeasts games and they all use this mod. I didn't start with any thugs. The mod just gives you cooler heroes down the road, assuming that your luck is good enough. That's no different than aquiring regular heroes.

Ahhh, only MA? Oh well.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Ubercat- you're confusing Epic Heroes with Worthy Heroes.
Llama uses Worthy Heroes in a lot of his games. Epic is a different mod.

[PAR]

could you reserve arco for me, please

could you re post the link to the big game mod as it goes nowhere and i need to download it

cheers

[Cor2]

Lazy_Perfectionist said:
Ubercat- you're confusing Epic Heroes with Worthy Heroes.
Llama uses Worthy Heroes in a lot of his games. Epic is a different mod.



Sorry thats what I meant too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

Can we use worthy heros? If not thats cool.

[Ubercat]

Ahh my bad about Epic. Yes! If we're voting I'd like to use Worthy Heroes.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

No opposition to worthy heroes- except that my nation already has a few. But that's a petty way for me to gain an advantage, so I vote YES on including Worthy Heroes.

[Janlm]

i'll be playing Abysia, and i'm ok with using worthy heroes.

and btw, you got a small typo on your mod link http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Szumo]

I'd join, if it's on llamaserver (or velusion's one) - manual hosting seems too unpredictable/unreliable.

Name suggestion: Rapture

I'd like Agartha as the nation.

[Hadrian_II]

Ok, Llamabeast has offered me to host the game on his server, so it will run there. (this also frees my from hosting the game when i will be death [what wont happen anyway http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif])

For me its fine to use the Worthy heroes mod.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Rapture? Fine enough name.
A few suggestions of my own.

Raptor - bird of prey
SamAndMax - adventure game
GrimFandango - adventure game
DoomChicken - random
VampireGourd - odd myth

[duke_commando]

I'd like to join as Sauromatia. Rapture sounds good to me, reminds me of Bioshock.
I'm fine with Worthy Heros as well.

[llamabeast]

If I may be so bold as to make a fairly irrelevant suggestion: Having tried both ways, I would suggest listing as:

Abysia - llamabeast
Agartha - LazyPerfectionist

rather than

llamabeast - Abysia
LazyPerfectionist - Agartha

because it makes it easier to see which nations have been taken. Not that it really matters.

[Papastoss]

I would like to join and play as Vanheim

[Burnsaber]

I'm also intrested in joining as Yomi. I also vote for Worthy Heroes althought I'm going with Misfortune for my pretender.

[Hadrian_II]

Ok now that we are 10 Players the game will start for sure.

I called the game Doom Chicken, as this name is so wonderfully meaningless.

Id say the Map will be Cradle of Dominions.

Mods to use will be:
Worthy Heroes
Big Game Mod

Protestnotes will be answered till tomorrow, but then i have to inform Llamabeast about our settings so that he can set up the server.

[Valandil]

I'm new, but I like losing! Can I play?
Erm... Atlantis? Or, if you don't want a water nation, I'll play Niefelheim.

No opposition to worthy heros.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

*SQUAWK*

/me casts evil eye towards Dire Wolf.

[Valandil]

??? Evil... eye... wolf.. wha?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Since we're now Doom Chicken, I'm going to discard my Lamia strategy and build a pretender around either a Prince of Death, Dragon, Solar Disc, or Phoenix. Maybe Shedu.

[Valandil]

Hmm... yes... thanks for the information.
NOw, how would you describe your battle tactics? ASre there any easily exploitable weaknessess?

I am going to hope that 1) I;m allowed to take Atlantis and 2) that there are no other water naitons.

Then, I'm going to hide in the ocean and never come out.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Hint. Hint. Banishment. Cause you know, I may have undead.
Hint. Hint. All my units are coldblooded.

[Valandil]

Wow. Thanks. You're very helpful.

[Burnsaber]

Valandil said:
I am going to hope that 1) I;m allowed to take Atlantis and 2) that there are no other water naitons.

Then, I'm going to hide in the ocean and never come out.



Take a pretender with high water, and HORDE water gems. Once you're "safe" cast the Global "Sea of Ice" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. No armies would ever be able to march on to your domain! (neither could you march into theirs, but who cares?). You'd be safe, forever!

Disclaimer; I'm not to held responsible if you get Dominion-killed, or if someone dispels your global.

EDIT: Unless it actually is me who dispels your global. Then you could held me responsible http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif.

[Valandil]

Hmmm. I remember one game where a friend decided to cast seas of ice with 2300 gems, and then couldnt get rid of his own ritual (It was cast by an immobile pretender).

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Wish for - Death!
Wish for - Armageddon

Flying pretender doesn't look as exciting as I originally thought. Sirrushes, for instance, aren't flyers, and I've got no air gems. Who knows what I really will do... I don't. But I'll try to have something ready.

[Ubercat]

We still need a working link to the Big Game mod. I looked around in the maps and mods section and couldn't find it.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

The link is working, but here's a more direct one for you.
http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/bgmod.zip

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

So.. we trying to get this one started before llamabeast heads off for a week, or waiting for a full house?

If we're going to kick this off before llamabeast leaves, then...


I'm off for a week first thing on Saturday morning. So it would be good if we could get all the pretenders in by Friday afternoon UK time (Friday morning US time) so I can get it started before I leave.




I'm voting for a full house, but it isn't essential to my enjoyment. I'll get my pretender ready for either case.

[llamabeast]

I told Hadrian_II I'd get the game set up before I went so it would start when full (although I guess I need to know the expected number of players for that). If I do it right then all will be well! In the not-unlikely event that I bungle, you may have to wait a few days for a restart. But I will try not to bungle.

[Hadrian_II]

Id say everyone that signs up until tomorrow midday (12 hours from now) will be accepted in the game. We are now 11 players, so its enough for Cradle of Dominion, we will even have a lot of space 20 provinces per player.

The only question is about atlantis being the sole waternation, i would be happier if there are 2 water nations or none. But Cradle of Dominions has only 20 water provinces, so it is not so much of a problem.

btw. is there a fixed version of the map where the sea in the northeast is really a water province?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=501807

I don't know exactly, but this is probably what you're looking for.

[Hadrian_II]

Yes, this is exactly what im looking for. so the map we use will be Cradle of Dominions with edis fix applied.

[Sir_Dr_D]

So you have a probelm with not enough water nations. Let me provide a solution for that. I will play as R'lyey.

[Hadrian_II]

OK, i sent llamabeast the information about the game, so as soon as he provides an address, we can start uploading pretenders.

We are now 12 players with 2 Water nations. As there are only 22 Water provinces on the map, the waternations will have it very cosy.

[Janlm]

Doom Chicken???? Jeez man, i coulnd't figure out what happened with this thread http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Janlm]

can someone tell me what this big game mod is about?

[Burnsaber]

Janlm said:
can someone tell me what this big game mod is about?


Quote from Velusion
"Large Game Mod Changes:
Arcane Nexus will cost 300 Astral Pearls to cast
Clam of Pearls will require a path 2 (instead of 1) in Nature Magic (Water will stay the same). This will increase the cost to forge.
Fever Fetishes will require a path 2 (instead of 1) in Fire Magic (Nature will stay the same). This will increase the cost to forge."

[llamabeast]

Okay guys, the game is up (see www.llamaserver.net (http://www.llamaserver.net) ). To upload pretenders:

- Make sure you don't have the Conceptual Balance mod enabled (since it changes pretender points costs)
- Go to Game Tools -> Create a pretender god in Dominions
- Go to the savedgames/newlords folder in the dominions directory, and find your pretender file (e.g. mid_kailasa_0.2h)
- E-mail the file to: pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net
- Crucially, you must have the game name "DoomChicken" in the subject line of your e-mail

Assuming I've done everything right, the game will start when all 12 pretenders are in.

[Valandil]

Right. Dr_D, the toad people hereby propose a joint squishing of the ridiculous lizards of Lazy_Perfectionist. Once he has been squashed, the eternal and very uncomfortable war between the squids and the toads can resume.

[Burnsaber]

llamabeast said:
Okay guys, the game is up (see www.llamaserver.net (http://www.llamaserver.net) ). To upload pretenders:

- Make sure you don't have the Conceptual Balance mod enabled (since it changes pretender points costs)
- Go to Game Tools -> Create a pretender god in Dominions
- Go to the savedgames/newlords folder in the dominions directory, and find your pretender file (e.g. mid_kailasa_0.2h)
- E-mail the file to: pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net
- Crucially, you must have the game name "DoomChicken" in the subject line of your e-mail

Assuming I've done everything right, the game will start when all 12 pretenders are in.



Umm... Who said we'd be using CB mod? I have nothing against it (it would make my pretender choice more powerful), but I don't recall there being any talk of it.

Is it confirmed? Will we be using CB?

[Valandil]

Tsar Ivan, God Above Gods, Prince of Near and Close, King of the Deeps, etc. etc. has been sent.

[Valandil]

We will NOT be using CB- hence, "Make sure that you DON"T have the CB mode enabled..."

[llamabeast]

No no no. Read it again. The point is that you shouldn't have the CB mod enabled since it's not a CB game. I could have said "make sure you have no mods enabled", but that would be mildly misinformative since no other mods that I know of make any difference to pretender costs. Creating a pretender while you've got the CB mod enabled is pretty much the only thing you can do to screw the process up (the server will accept the pretender, but once the game starts Dominions will accuse you of cheating and turn your pretender into a pointless magicless archmage), so I thought I had better mention it.

[llamabeast]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif thanks Valandil, looks like we posted at the same time.

[Valandil]

Mythology would be a bad idea, as would nova deus, BTW.

[Burnsaber]

Valandil said:
We will NOT be using CB- hence, "Make sure that you DON"T have the CB mode enabled..."



Oh..

I need to remember the first rule of the Internet. Learn to read, then whine.

[Valandil]

hrm. No harm done to either of us, I trust, despite my slightly sarcastic post.

[Valandil]

I'm first uploaded!

[llamabeast]

Winner!

Apologies also for my slightly out of character "No no no read it again" - guess I had a grumpy attack! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Good point about Mytheology (sic) and Nova Deus, I'd forgotten those two.

[Valandil]

Yomi is in, seemingly. GJ, Bursaber.

[llamabeast]

What does GJ mean?

[Valandil]

umm... Good Job? Great Joke? Giant Jar?
(I think it was supposed to be a good job, but who knows, really? I often post stuff without thinking.)

[Burnsaber]

llamabeast said:
What does GJ mean?



Good Job.

[Ubercat]

Mictlan is in.

[Cor2]

OOhh I like Giant Jar!

Ouroboros has arrived. All Hail Ouroboros, encircler of the world, devourer of evil, lord of serpents, It whom births Itself, sin eater, keeper of the Giant Jar!

[Valandil]

Ouroboros? Does he bite his own tail?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Ctis is in... Though I'm not confident with my pretender.

[Cor2]

Valandil said:
Ouroboros? Does he bite his own tail?



Exactly. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Hadrian_II]

Kailasa is up, prepare yourself for lots of beings with lots of arms http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Szumo]

All Praise Rigden Jyepo, He Who Seals the Gates of Death, the Armorer, the Teacher of Philosophy, God of Disease, the One Always at the Shoulder!

[Cor2]

Szumo said:
All Praise Rigden Jyepo, He Who Seals the Gates of Death, the Armorer, the Teacher of Philosophy, God of Disease, the One Always at the Shoulder!



That is obscure. Rigden Jyepo is in buddist myth, no? what is he supposed to do? Something about leading armies of goodness to destroy evil?

[Szumo]

Cor2 said:

Szumo said:
All Praise Rigden Jyepo, He Who Seals the Gates of Death, the Armorer, the Teacher of Philosophy, God of Disease, the One Always at the Shoulder!



That is obscure. Rigden Jyepo is in buddist myth, no? what is he supposed to do? Something about leading armies of goodness to destroy evil?



According to Sungma Lama's book "Agartha" (1951), Rigden Jyepo ("King of the World") led a tribe of people underground and founded a kingdom there sixty thousand years ago, and watches over Earth till now in constant spititual contact with Dalai Lamas http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Intesting... I never would have thought Agartha was a real reference, but wikipedia says there's a lot I hadn't heard of. Might make for interesting reading.

[Papastoss]

Vanheim is uploaded. The world shall soon be as out of focus as all my units.

[Valandil]

Erm. Why are we running n outdated versin of worthy heros? 1.7b is the new one, and I don't have 1.7, nor is it downloadable.

[Cor2]

here is a link to the B version. It only fixes hydra spawning.

Post#http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=470523&page=2&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1 (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showthreaded.php?Number=http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=470523&page=2&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1) link

[Szumo]

I think just the host needs the updated version anyway, doesn't matter to clients (in case of hydra spawning, not generally that is).

[Valandil]

actually, I needed to comb the forums so that it would let me open my turn.

[duke_commando]

Could someone post the earlier version of Worthy Heroes? I can't find it anywhere.
As Sauromatia, I guess I'll get the cool knight-farting hydra. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Hadrian_II]

here is the 1.7 version of worthy heroes

[duke_commando]

cool, thanks

[Valandil]

Just C'tis left...

[Sir_Dr_D]

For thousands of years one of the worlds oldest races, the Aboleths have kept mostly to themselves at the bottom of the ocean. They were a danger to anyone who got to close, but they never wandered far from their territory. No one has ever been able to communcate with them or understand what they are thinking. Now for the first time the aboleths have organized themselves. They have begun enslaving the creatures of the sea who were closest to them, to form an army. Atlantians have likely noticed that some of their deep ones have dissapeared, and that more frequent Aboleths have been spotted lately. But the Atlantians like eveyone else is still unaware of the true danger that they face.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I believe Atlantis has been having fun with the messaging system. If I'm supposed to be taking it seriously, my mistake. However, I'll respond in what I believe to be the spirit of the message.

[duke_commando]

Sauromatia also got this message, and we've tasked the useless old crap we get instead of a scout to decode it. The only word he's been able to find so far is "Ry'leh" which he thinks might mean R'lyeh. Perhaps its a warning about this mysterious people.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I got three.
Here's my response.

Also, this is the first game I'm keeping all my saves + 'playbyplay.txt' for an AAR. It would be more convenient to post it as it goes on, but somehow I think that's not a brilliant idea?

[Hadrian_II]

Lazy_Perfectionist said:
It would be more convenient to post it as it goes on, but somehow I think that's not a brilliant idea?



Why, i would like to read which tactics you will gonna use http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Sir_Dr_D]

Don't woryy we will only read your posts for interest sake. when it comes to doing our turns we will forget what you wrote. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[Valandil]

Umm... I, the Atlantian in question, did not recieve your reply. I looked at it on the forums here though.

Naturally, your lizardly arrogance blinds you the the fact that frogs can walk on land as well as swim, unlike lizards. Furthermor, we are not adverse to conquering other foolish non-amphibious folk in between our civilizations.

In other news, there might actually be a coded message somewhere. Or there might not be.

And I'm utterly serious about the fortune telling. One Gold.

[Hadrian_II]

Somehow this threat fell so quitet, is this in awe of kailasa? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[duke_commando]

Indeed, the Martakan Menace chills us all.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

... I've been maintaining a partial play by play text... but have had nothing mentionable since [classified], which made me happy. But I haven't even met my neighbors yet, so there's no guarantee I'm even capable of using it. Especially since my pretender design was confused- though my strategic goal was clear, and straightforward. And [classified] has confused my strategic goal even further plus an unrelated change of research plan as well. Fortunately, it was early enough I don't think it will cripple me.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Nearing stage one of my strategy- research was involved. Unfortunately, I'm near the bottom of the province race now. I'll be diverting my efforts to expansion now. Here's hoping.

*Squawk!*

Not there yet, though, and it's not a world shattering research goal, just a mildy useful one. I'm trying to go into games now with a plan of action, instead of blindly. Since I couldn't think of anything late game, i focused on having a loose starting strategy. Writing an AAR report after every important turn helped as well, where normally I might just recruit a homogeneous bunch of troops and send them off without bothering with things like formations or tactics. I'm playing for history, now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

My mid-game strat is more a collection of ideas than anything game-winning, or tested. But it is there, for once. I'll probably be focusing on diplomacy, to limit my risk to one front while I test out this strategy - which I'm not even certain I'll be able to pull off, though I did weigh things as heavily in my favor as possible, though it cost me a couple more sacrifices than usual.

[Hadrian_II]

i will be away over the weekend and xietor will sub for me, so please direct diplomacy ment for kailasa towards me.

[Xietor]

I will need links to mods used.

I am using 2 different versions of worthy heroes mods already in other games, and I think there was a recent patch that changed it yet again.

if people are not all using the same version, it can cause some weird issues.

[Valandil]

we ae all using 1.7, no (b) at the end.
Also, there are links in this thread: 1.7 worthy heros and big game mod.

Also, you should give all your gems and gold to atlantis, because you're a nice person.

[Xietor]

Sigh,

For future reference Hadrian_II , you do not need to pw protect your turns on the llamaserver. thanks!

You may hate me, but i changed your research paths. That is the danger of subs!

[EarthRaver]

Is this game still recruiting players? If its is can i join as tir or nog

[Szumo]

EarthRaver said:
Is this game still recruiting players? If its is can i join as tir or nog



No, we are at turn 10 already.

[Xietor]

dang! Now i want to keep playing!

You owe me big time Hadrian II. You will know of what i speak tomorrow. Go away for the weekend and come back to what!

This is likely my last turn subbing for Hadrian. Good Luck everyone. Looks like a fun game.

[duke_commando]

Due to me stupidly forgetting to send in my 2h file, I've staled. Sorry for holding the game up :-/
If anyone sent me an important in game message, could you please send it again?

[Cor2]

duke_commando said:
Due to me stupidly forgetting to send in my 2h file, I've staled. Sorry for holding the game up :-/
If anyone sent me an important in game message, could you please send it again?



Oh, so you missed the DOW from every player?

[duke_commando]

nobody likes a staler http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Valandil]

No, its not that- its just easier to conquer a person who's missing half the turns.

[Cor2]

Damn Bogus and his "heros"! Why do they follow me from MP to MP and attack the most important province at the most opportune time? Gaaaaar ! sob , weep.

[Szumo]

Perhaps you should stop taking misfortune http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Cor2]

last game i did not have misfortune. I think i9 Have a 1 this time, I dont recall. Just bad luck.

I am sure some of you will be seeing bogus soon enough.

[Szumo]

My scouts already do http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Burnsaber]

The glorious Nation of Yomi has in it's magnificence managed to invent and start forging Dwarven Hammers. For a moderate fee, even lesser races can enjoy the excellence of demonic craftmanship.

Make me an offer by PM. I have con4 so I can ofrge many other items, tell me if you're intrested. Althought I won't forge any SC items to my neighbours unless I'm convinced that I won't be seeing them agains soon...

[Cor2]

Burnsaber said:
Althought I won't forge any SC items to my neighbours unless I'm convinced that I won't be seeing them agains soon...



I'll take the AGEIS and a few of those yomi killing swords http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif.

[Valandil]

What's an SC item? Pendant of Luck?Frost Brand? How do you know to what use the items are put?
And ya, some of them demon banes and the bell of cleansing mght be helpful for when the demons inevitably decide to persecute peaceful atlantis...

[Cor2]

Woah woah woah!

Anybody notice that Yomi has a unique artifact? isn't a little early for that? How ,why, when, where, who, quanto questa?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Fenrir's pelt? Yeah... leaving aside the issue of how that artifact got into their hands, that's going to be one mean thug. Assassination? No. Fear? No. Add in the Champion's trident, several levels of experience and a place in the hall of fame.... yikes.

[Jazzepi]

Cor2 said:
Woah woah woah!

Anybody notice that Yomi has a unique artifact? isn't a little early for that? How ,why, when, where, who, quanto questa?



I believe there's a special neutral province type where one of the neutrals has the cape. Or it's a random event, I can't remember. I do know I've run into it before.

Jazzepi

[Burnsaber]

Valandil said:
What's an SC item? Pendant of Luck?Frost Brand? How do you know to what use the items are put?
And ya, some of them demon banes and the bell of cleansing mght be helpful for when the demons inevitably decide to persecute peaceful atlantis...



Using the amazing power of logic, one can easily determine if some item is to be used on an SC.

I got that Fenrir's Belt after I crushed independent Lamia province. ´That guy also got a cool Heroic Abilty.. Keh Keh.

Oh, I also forgot to tell what I want for my forging services. Money is cool and so are gems (all types are welcomed).

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Yum! Nine Dark Knowledges, 0 sites found.

[Valandil]

I got five gems out of one level 2 mage searching a water province. Ice Isle and two lame 1 gem sites.

[Burnsaber]

Well, my awake rainbow pretender has searched 6 Forest/Mountain provinces and found... 4 sites (one of which doesn't produce gems.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I'm especially ticked I spent 27 gems on dark knowledge because I could have gotten 50~90 undead. That and its a miserable day at work.

Freakin miserable. I've got a freaking enchantment bonus site, and could have had hordes of undead. Nine casts of Dark Knowledge with zero results is not what I planned for. I maybe found one site, and that was with manual searching. I think I made a mistake in 'radar'-ing for sites this early. I should have just sent out searchers. I could spare the Reborn (D2) mages, since I have a cadre of Sauromancers with Skull Mentors handling my research load. But the inconvenience of moving those searchers, plus the thought I would find SOMETHING, plus the auto-remote search flaws, and I thought to take a shortcut. My mistake.

[Sir_Dr_D]

You think that is bad? Trying casting voice of tiamat a few times and only finding one fire site.

[Valandil]

Hmm. The Frogs seem to be out of room to expand, and their octopus god can't leave the water. First person to send me an amulet of the fish gets its cost back, plus insurance that the octopus won't attack them first.

[Sir_Dr_D]

Can the turn timer get stalled for two hours. I am at work,did my turn. but forgot to submit it.

[Hadrian_II]

hosting is posphoned for 2h

[Valandil]

Edit: redundant.

[Cor2]

Oh darn I missed my turn by 10 mins. Sorry for the hold up guys.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

No problem, Cor2. Though I might suggest a change to a 26 or 30 hour turn cycle to avoid turn deadlines creeping earlier and earlier, Hadrian II

[Valandil]

Time zones are an annoyance though, aren't they...
I usualy do turns either when I wake up, or 5-10 minutes after hosting during the day, so I'd obviously prefer the shortest possible turn timer. OTOH, No-one enjoys stales, so I guess if its necessary I'd vote for pushing the timer to 30ish.

[Cor2]

I am okay with leaving the timer where it is. I missed my turn simply because I missed it in my email. I don't think it will happen again.

If somebody needs it extended I am fine with that too. Just don't do it on my account.

[Hadrian_II]

As said in the game description, as soon as 3 people want a longer turn duration, i will extend it.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

While I had my suggestion... I think I don't need longer turns yet. Each is going fairly quick.

[Valandil]

Whos all at war? I need to find someone week and already engaged to drown in endless waves of shamblers.

[Cor2]

Ha Ha! Umm I think Argatha is at war and weak. Throw the shamblers at them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Szumo]

Ha, so your mammoths are afraid of my immortal SC now? Should have thought about consequences before attacking me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Valandil]

I have no border with Agartha. OTOH, I DO have a border with you...

[Cor2]

Oh yes I am very afraid of your pretender. Please whatever you do don't attck me with him! he is sooo scary.:)

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I am impressed by the system graphs. Very impressed.
Somehow, Agartha - EA Agartha, nonetheless - has turned into the province leader.

One day, Szumo, you will have to share your secrets, if I have to bribe you to do an After Action Report.

[Valandil]

Well, he has an awake immortal sc. That helps.

[Szumo]

Well, i do have strong early game as a player. Not so good with late game unfortunately http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

As a little tip, i'll tell you i haven't recruited even one non-commander Pale One.

[Hadrian_II]

It looks like Rlyeh is going to permastall. Is there a possibility for me to set him to AI? (as this is the first game i host on the llamaserver)

[Szumo]

I believe only llamabeast can do that.

[llamabeast]

This sounds like a case for the FAQ! (see towards the end of the section on how to admin a game).

The answer is basically that noone but the player can do it without a faff, but you can do it.

I would do it myself to be helpful, but am moving house today so it's a little hectic!

[Hadrian_II]

Rlyeh played the last turn, so maybe he will play now without stales.

[Valandil]

If he persists, the mighty forces of Tsar Ivan will smite him, and bring fire upon him, until there shall be no more danger of staling!

[Cor2]

Ouch. Jomon hutrt our feelings. Why have you betrayed us? Did an Oni put you up to this?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Jomon? You mean Yomi, right?

[Cor2]

opps.
Yeah Yomi that is what I meant. you know whoever.

[Burnsaber]

Cor2 said:
Ouch. Jomon hutrt our feelings. Why have you betrayed us? Did an Oni put you up to this?



If you look at my position, you'll notice that I only have two paths where to expand. Either Agartha or You. Since you seem to be losing (at least according to graphs) the choice is easy. Prepare to be eaten!

[Cor2]

Burnsaber said:

If you look at my position, you'll notice that I only have two paths where to expand. Either Agartha or You. Since you seem to be losing (at least according to graphs) the choice is easy. Prepare to be eaten!



Awww.

Fair enough. i suggest dousing me in Ketchup.

[Valandil]

I will be starting school tomorrow, and have somewhat less time. Although I should still be able to get my turns in, it might take awhile.

[Cor2]

Hey i started two weeks ago. Cheater.

[Ubercat]

Not to knock Sir_Dr_D because I understand from another thread that he's busy (I think he was apologising for being slow with his turns), but it looks like everyone else is playing at a pace that would make us get through about two turns a day. Everytime I look at llamaserver it seems like Ryleh is the only turn missing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Hadrian_II]

Its his right to use all the 24h reserved for 1 turn, but it would be nice if he is the latest to submit his turn that he could do his next turn shortly after the host.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=DoomChicken&action=showstal es

Well, I would appreciate hearing from Sir_Dr_D, but according to this, he's only stalled three times. Most likely, labor day weekend was the culprit.

[Cor2]

Oh Orbouroros! Our enemies surround us. They try to grind our bones to dust. What oh snakey would you have us do? offer them crackers? Invites them for some tea? Crush thier skulls? Squrit wipped cream in their faces and hide behind the couch? What is your divine plan you silly snake?

[Valandil]

The vast legions of Atlantis, which are comprised solely of two different types of soldier, are preparing for WAR. Unfortunately, they have no one to WAR against. That comes of being nice and diplomatic with all your neighbours, and getting peace agreements.

Thus, we will be sitting in the peaceful depths, building shamblers, peering into the dark crystal, and researching shark attack.

[Valandil]

Oh, ya. We will also cast approximately two hundred and seventy three melancholy spells at random provinces, just to use our earth gems.

[Szumo]

Perhaps Orbouroros should have responded to some diplomatic messages instead of ignoring them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Valandil]

Ouroboros was, if I recall correctly, was dead for awhile. He might not have recieved those messages.

[Sir_Dr_D]

Lazy_Perfectionist said:
http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=DoomChicken&action=showstal es

Well, I would appreciate hearing from Sir_Dr_D, but according to this, he's only stalled three times. Most likely, labor day weekend was the culprit.




Sorry about that. And only one of those turns stalled was because of labor day. The other two were accidents where I thought I had submitted my turn.

Turns in this game are happening quite fast. I am surprised. Usually by this time turns always wait until the end of the turn timer.

[Valandil]

Agartha, by your actions, a state of war now exists between our two nations. I call upon my allies, If I have any, to crush the Agarthan menace before its magic and armies become unstoppable. Yomi, neighbour to Agartha, friend to Atlantis, is especially encouraged, regardless of former alliances, to destroy the Cave Dwellers before it is too late.

[Szumo]

Valandil said:
Agartha, by your actions, a state of war now exists between our two nations. I call upon my allies, If I have any, to crush the Agarthan menace before its magic and armies become unstoppable. Yomi, neighbour to Agartha, friend to Atlantis, is especially encouraged, regardless of former alliances, to destroy the Cave Dwellers before it is too late.



Very very dramatic. I'd like you to take what happened as a lesson to to never leave a province with absolutely no province defense , specially if said province contains a temple and so becomes a juicy target to raze for a wandering scout http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

We welcome the war - or will once our nations actually have a border, anyway.

[Cor2]

I got your back, Lets kick some cavedweller butt.

[Valandil]

Err... ya... ummm. The undefended temple was dumb, but I figured that no one would dare harm defenceless priests.

[Szumo]

Valandil said:
Err... ya... ummm. The undefended temple was dumb, but I figured that no one would dare harm defenceless priests.



You thought that a loyal believer would pass the opportunity to defile an undefended infidel temple? Come on http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Hadrian_II]

I have a question, what are elder dwarfes, and if they are heroes why has vanheim 2 of them? I suspect worthy heroes of being responsible.

[Szumo]

Hadrian_II said:
I have a question, what are elder dwarfes, and if they are heroes why has vanheim 2 of them? I suspect worthy heroes of being responsible.



Yep, elder dwarf is multihero from Worthy Heroes. They have earth 4. I have 2 heroes myself with +3 luck - if Vanheim has luck scales it would be quite normal for him to have some heroes too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

With Worthy Heroes mod, Luck scale is worth a little bit more than in normal game.

[Cor2]

I sugested worthy heros then I took misfortune. Silly me.

[Hadrian_II]

Szumo said:
They have earth 4.



Earth 4 + Boots means Earth 5 equals to a lot of bladewind. Means lots of arrows are raining down on my poor sacreds, means my sacreds die, means i loose battles, means sauromantia wants to attack me too, means a lot of archers to attack me, means more projectiles raining down on me, means more sacreds die, means im doomed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif

*major whine*

And when i invaded Vanheim, i thought id be smart as they dont have any archers. (note to log: bladewind has the same effect as archers)

OK, i have now created an allpowerful pretender for Kailasa that will win the next EA game i'll join http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

[duke_commando]

projectiles ftw!
Not sure what I'd do if you had an A9 bless though.
Except shadow blast, but thats a helluva drain of gems

[Valandil]

Worthy heros is weird.
I have got a commander of the living pillars... with Autosummon Living Pillar!
I'm playing turmoil 3 luck 3, and Commanders Of the LP are multiheros- worrysome.

BTW, did you know you could get E5 basalt kings? With earthpower and boots= E7?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

The odds are painfully slim, but I can get a D5 Sauromancer.
Give them a skull staff and a whatchamacallit skull helmet (someone locked my manual away), and I've got a D7 Sauromancer. If I get even further lucky with twice born, then I'd get a D8 mage. Give them a Sceptre of Dark Regency, and I've got an undead mage with 10 death.

Needless to say, that's so rare I can't base a strategy on it. Besides, what in the world would I do with 10 death magic anyways? Well, I guess I would see how large Shadow Blast's AOE gets.

"The nation of Ctis is suffering a bout of cold weather. This has started a massive migration towards the warmest lands we can find."

Of all my scales, the only one that hasn't seemed to taken root anywhere is my heat. Conveniently enough, I started next to another warm nation who I can attack without worrying about winter rendering my troops impotent. (Coldblooded +1 fatigue in 0, +4 in in cold scale).

I just received a hero as well. She has seven points worth of magic, but they're scattered around somewhat inefficiently. She's powerful enough, but I can get D4 easily, can summon an N3S3 mage (eventually). She will become obsolete, but since I'm a long way from Couatl, she'll be quite nice, for research and forging, if noting else. I may be able to find some particular applications for her if I think about it, but her use isn't immediately obvious.

I really should update my AAR again. Its been over a dozen turns since I last put in an entry, and with the start of my invasion of Abysia, I'll have a lot to write about.

[Cor2]

I would like to announce that Caleum has killed the champion of the world, "whats his name" from Yomi, who won the last death match and had that nifty fur of fenris.

Actually, we killed him twice. Since his first form is a demon and his second form is undead I wonder if that means that ritual of rebirth will not work on him? Hope so.

[Hadrian_II]

duke_commando said:
Not sure what I'd do if you had an A9 bless though.




I suppose i should have waited until i would be able to cast arrow fend.

[Papastoss]

I've been taking luck in a lot of my games recently. I wasn't sure on it's effectiveness in an MP setting, and aside from the dwarven elders the effects haven't been so pronounced. I've got more than you've seen too, so I guess it's something to be pleased with. In SP where you usually have a lot more provinces it's great.

I was in 2 other MP games at the same time as this one and I don't think I won a single battle in both my downfalls. So actually winning one has made it all worth it. It's like shooting ridiculously over par in golf and then getting a birdie on the 18th.

[Valandil]

I took turmoil 3 luck three. I have thus far got about 140 gems from events- so many gems, in fact, that I've summoned about eighty claymen for fun.

Agartha- Rigden Jyepo is DOOMED! He has only two options- to flee into Bogus's band, or fight the mighy wrath of Ivan. Needless to say, he will die horribly.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I have just pulled off the most boring, uneventful war ever, against Abysia. I've taken (1) province. Fought (1) battle. And have no immediate plans for any further action.

I remembered the assassins of Abyssia... but realize at the last that I don't have enough spare commanders on the scene.

So I've pretty much lost all momentum, and surprise. Not much else, yet, fortunately. Well, more commanders are on the way.

I've been pretty happy with my one luck (though with Ctis' number of heroes - including one with reanimate dead) I wish I had more. Unlike my misfortune two games, I haven't had swarms of barbarians and knights and troglodytes harassing me. I've had some bad events, but its an all around much more pleasant game. I much prefer luck one to misfortune-order, it seems.

I haven't updated my aar, but thanks to that initial skirmish, I do have some thoughts on what kind of troops to recruit.

[duke_commando]

I've got three luck, but no heroes have bothered to show yet...bastards.
I like luck for the gems, but I'm thinking growth might've been better, combined with my order scales.

[Szumo]

Valandil said:
I took turmoil 3 luck three. I have thus far got about 140 gems from events- so many gems, in fact, that I've summoned about eighty claymen for fun.

Agartha- Rigden Jyepo is DOOMED! He has only two options- to flee into Bogus's band, or fight the mighy wrath of Ivan. Needless to say, he will die horribly.



Well, looks like i took the third option. Surprised? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
And we'll see whether mighty Tsar Ivan will be so wrathful now, with several horror marks.
Also, i really couldn't believe you would leave another province without PD for my scout to take. Come on, buy at least 1 point everywhere. You already lost two temples to this scout, and now another province...

Oh, and if you'd rather avoid further harm, we can always talk of course... in private http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I really should have attacked earlier, assasins or no.

You're surprisingly deadly in even wet weather, abyssia.
About all I accomplished was cutting your Salamander population in half.

I am dying to know what site my spell uncovered as you took my province. I'd been holding off on that spell because the enemy always takes the province just as I cast the spell...

Alternatively, I should have had many of my forces fall back. I wasn't that far from breaking my troops into raiding parties, but as I said, I took too long.

[Janlm]

yes, i'm very happy to have my site searching done for me, thank you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Valandil]

Hey, Szumo. No, not a t all surprised about the pretender. I figured he'd either fly or teleport away, but always good to indulge in wishful thinking. In any case, Ivan isn't really that fearsome in combat anyways, and he sure isn't helping with research. Horror marks? Pft!

Umm.... well... if you attacked my underwater provinces with your scout, you'd find I have perfectly good PD...

[Hadrian_II]

Cowardly Sauromantians are trying to avoid the Battle, but if they avoid it too long, i will capture their capitol.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

As this current turn is due at four am... I'd like to request a shift to a 30 hour timer.

[Ubercat]

Just a heads up. I'm getting married on Friday and our families start flying in on Thursday night. Would it be possible to get the game delayed for a few days, say starting Thursday morning till at least Monday?

(Just my luck that this is the one llamaserver game I'm in that I'm not adminning. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif)

-Ubercat

[Valandil]

Congratulations. I hope.
I have no problem with thirty hours or delays, myself. Despite my imminent war with the mighty hordes of Agartha (Prepare to DIE! Muahahah!). What say you, host?

[duke_commando]

Hadrian_II said:
Cowardly Sauromantians are trying to avoid the Battle, but if they avoid it too long, i will capture their capitol.



In an unfortunate misunderstanding, Madeyes, Prophet of Idnn and General of the Sauromatian Army, took the orders "Defend East Halewood" to mean "Defend East Halewood Castle" and retreated without offering battle to the invading Yaksha army. Consequently he has been sacked and replaced by someone with more competence than a dead cabbage.
Next turn, monkeylovers.

Also, congrats to Ubercat. No problem with a delay here, or a change to 30 hour hosting...in fact its welcome since it's back to school with me soon.

[Janlm]

yes congrats to ubercat, however have you tried to find a sub first? or is that out of the question?

[Hadrian_II]

OK, i have set the hosting interval to 30 hours.

@Sauromantia This happens to everyone at least once http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif, now im only 2 turns away from your capitol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

My condolences to Ubercat. The marriage is a nice thing, but the in-laws...

Seriously, congratulations.

Not so seriously, Marriage is finding that special someone with whom you can grow fat and old with. Enjoy the food.

[Ubercat]

DEFINITELY looking forward to the food, and cake. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

It seems that people who look for subs generally can't find them, and I can see why. Who wants to play with a position they didn't make? Anyhow, things are too delicate in game right now for me to want to trust my turns to another without my overbearing guidance.

And if I'm going to tell the sub everything to do, what's the point of having one?

[Hadrian_II]

Ubercat said:
Just a heads up. I'm getting married on Friday and our families start flying in on Thursday night. Would it be possible to get the game delayed for a few days, say starting Thursday morning till at least Monday?



As i did not see any objections to this request i will posphone hosting by 48 hours on thursday. (What should have the effect that hosting will occur on monday)

[Cor2]

Congrats Ubercat. Marriage is fun.

[Ubercat]

Hadrian_II said:

Ubercat said:
Just a heads up. I'm getting married on Friday and our families start flying in on Thursday night. Would it be possible to get the game delayed for a few days, say starting Thursday morning till at least Monday?



As i did not see any objections to this request i will posphone hosting by 48 hours on thursday. (What should have the effect that hosting will occur on monday)



You could also just move to a 48 hour timer on Thursday. I can probably get in a turn somewhere this weekend so that would work. If you just delay the turn and I get a turn in, I'll be burning myself because the turn clock will drop back to 24 hours.

My fiancee will have some friends staying with us till next Thursday, and she might frown on me taking turns every day anyhow. Maybe the 48 hour timer would be better overall. What do people think?

[Hadrian_II]

48h turns on turn 30 are common, so i dont think that lots of people will object http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

IGNORE THIS POST, Out of date

From what I understand, that will work perfectly, giving 72 hours, with one caveat. Even with hosting postponed, if everyone's turn is in, the quickhost server will well, host, and get set back to the regular time. Just something to keep in mind. If, however, his turn doesn't go in, it won't host until the entire period is over.

There are several solutions
1). If you get a new turn in your email, simply go back and postpone again. This is the simplest, probably best option. I recommend this one, since it means warhammer sent in his turn, and you should only need to go back once.
2). Set turn intervals to 72 hours or even more. Then, when you're ready to resume a regular schedule, change the interval back to normal and add postpone hosting by a negative number (since reducing hosting interval leaves current turn time intact, until everyone gets their turns in at least once).
3). Postpone by so many hours, and turn off quickhosting.

EDIT: Sorrys. Busy, this post was written over the course of at least an hour. Its' out of date.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Ubercat said:
Just a heads up. I'm getting married on Friday and our families start flying in on Thursday night. Would it be possible to get the game delayed for a few days, say starting Thursday morning till at least Monday?



As i did not see any objections to this request i will posphone hosting by 48 hours on thursday. (What should have the effect that hosting will occur on monday)

[/quote]

You could also just move to a 48 hour timer on Thursday. I can probably get in a turn somewhere this weekend so that would work. If you just delay the turn and I get a turn in, I'll be burning myself because the turn clock will drop back to 24 hours.

My fiancee will have some friends staying with us till next Thursday, and she might frown on me taking turns every day anyhow. Maybe the 48 hour timer would be better overall. What do people think?

[/quote]

I wouldn't mind a change over to a 48 hour schedule.

With a marriage going on, however, I suggest a 72 hour quickhost setup, at the very minimum. If you find the time, we can continue playing the next turn. On top of that, you don't have to worry as much if the preparations keep you exhausted and your fiancee - soon to be wife - keeps you up ALL night after the wedding...

Of course, if you got her hooked on Dominions 3...
Just so long as you're not getting married in World of Warcraft.

[Ubercat]

A 48 or perhaps 72 hour schedule sounds good to me. We can go back to 30 later in the week if everyone wants to.

[duke_commando]

Hadrian_II said:
@Sauromantia This happens to everyone at least once http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif, now im only 2 turns away from your capitol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


Now I gotta chase you around http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

[Hadrian_II]

duke_commando said:

Hadrian_II said:
@Sauromantia This happens to everyone at least once http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif, now im only 2 turns away from your capitol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


Now I gotta chase you around http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif



No, i'll just go to your capitol, defeat you there and win the game. You dont need to chase me.

p.s. i set the turn timer to 50h

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I continually manage to underestimate Abysia. But at least I don't risk to much while I test these things - I did want my prophet killed off, for a particular reason. Too bad I have to wait before I can appoint another.

So... mindless undead chaff - nah. At least not in these quantities. Decay? Even with whatever mr modifier it has, it didn't take root even once out of three castings. Shadow Bolt - cast only once, didn't do noteworthy damage, but the paralysis is better than absolutely nothing.

Light Infantry- useless against the infantry, but effective enough versus salamander. My Ctissians don't have the penetration (spears?) to penetrate a dual level nine fire-earth bless. The reinvigoration of four makes unending chaff considerably less effective...
My Elite Warriors do have above average strength and tridents. Still less than the total protection I'm facing.

[Valandil]

Well, Lord Ivan knocked off a Banelord. Sending his items back your way, Agartha.

Fear my mighty army of Claymen and Fall Bears! They will EAT you! Muahaha! (don't ask)

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Time for some good natured trash talking. I will careful exclude coverage of my own mistakes.

Wow, that's an interesting new tactic for Abysia, Janlm. I've never seen someone trade one Demonbred and a Medallion of Vengeance for seven independent militia before. By all means, keep it up.

(Translation: And this is why I no longer regret luck spawning swarms of seemingly useless militia. Free Demonbred protection. Not perfect coverage, but 40 of them patrolling will just about cancel out the stealth bonus and leave an equal discovery roll)

[Valandil]

I R Loose.
Agartha has ALOT of Adepts of the Silver Order. Run for your lives!

[duke_commando]

What're those? Indie mages?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Yeah. Going by the database,something like 2 air, 2 astral, though I'm not really certain, since I don't use Edi's database for much other than sites (I've customized the database to load quicker AND have a custom sort on that page).

[duke_commando]

wow nice database.
and you're right, they're A2S2...pretty awesome. They'd fit so well into my strategy too...
Nuts.

oh yeah, and at the monkeymen:
thbbbbbbbbt! :-p

[Szumo]

For anyone wondering what Valandil is talking about, or looking at Atlantis sudden drop in army size graph:
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/549929-battle.JPG

That's losses worth 3500 gold in regular units alone...

[Hadrian_II]

duke_commando said:
oh yeah, and at the monkeymen:
thbbbbbbbbt! :-p



I suppose the Poison Arrows are armor piercing, and this is what killed me. But the sad thing is that the army that was supposed to conquer another province for retreat failed.

[duke_commando]

I don't think the arrows are armor piercing, but the poison is still applied even if the arrow doesn't do any damage.

[Hadrian_II]

duke_commando said:
I don't think the arrows are armor piercing, but the poison is still applied even if the arrow doesn't do any damage.



This is what i was trying to say

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Impressive. Overkill. Caution.
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/550206-DemonbredOverkill.jpg

One axe to cause chestwounds. One dagger to inflict death poison. One astral serpent to inflict death poison. Boots for strength, a black steel helmet just because, a shroud for flaming weapons and extra accuracy, plus reinvig and protection boni, and bracers just in case.

Did I forget to mention the flying, just in case I'd try and track this flying assassin down?

[Janlm]

err, I have no idea who this guy is. Whomever he may be, he is not working for Abysia's interests but merely his own!

[Cor2]

LOL

[Hadrian_II]

As now everyone is married, do we change back to 24h hosting or is everyone fine with 50h?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I am fine with fifty hour hosting or thirty six hour hosting. But not twenty-four. Fifty hours does give me time to work on my AAR.

[Janlm]

how about thirty something?

[Cor2]

I don't think I can pull off 24 hour. School+work+wife=no time.

[Ubercat]

I would be happy to stick with 36 or 48 hour hosting.

edit: EVERYONE is married in this game? Wow!

[Szumo]

I'm happy with 48h quickhost. And i'm a bachelor http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Hadrian_II]

Ubercat said:
edit: EVERYONE is married in this game? Wow!



No, just everone that had to posphone the game to marry http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Valandil]

For what its worth, Im 16. Definately not married.

[Cor2]

WARNING! there is a severe weather advisory for the North Western most parts of the world. At least 4 seperate hurricanes converged on provience 182 yesterday. Some are calling it an act of god.

Travellers are advised to avoid travelling any where near Yomi.

[Burnsaber]

Cor2 said:
WARNING! there is a severe weather advisory for the North Western most parts of the world. At least 4 seperate hurricanes converged on provience 182 yesterday. Some are calling it an act of god.

Travellers are advised to avoid travelling any where near Yomi.



Yeah, the weather is a bit odd. The wise men of Yomi, wonder however, how could this a be act of Caelum's god? If the fake idol of Caelum would be truly for god, he'd have started to send the weather against us much more early. Yomi already has mustered the armies needed for Caelum's defeat, so why would this "omnipotent god" waste his magical resources on such stratedigally ill-adviced plan of attacking our production?

[Cor2]

The men of Yomi have a strong faith, indeed.

Caelums god no longer exists, he has abandoned them. They have not given up however. Many of the people of Caelum are now atheists, believing the gods tromping around the world to be nothing more than illusions, or perhaps tricks of the mind brought on by drinking too much fermented mountain herbs.

Caelum prepares for the coming storm.

[Cor2]

Valandil said:
For what its worth, Im 16. Definately not married.



Its good to know its not all just old men playing this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

By the way, its never to early to get married. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Valandil]

Well, legally...

I hereby announce that Atlantis is willing to trade gems of any sort.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I spent forever preparing that turn. Why, even the last time I checked, I noticed I'd put the wrong bodyguards and my mages wouldn't have made it to battle. That was the most intense clicking of 'send' and 'end turn' ever.

I could have done better preparing, but I'll settle for avoiding any catastrophic mistakes and a one to one kill ratio against Blessed Abyssians. It slaughtered over half of my forces, but the entire Abyssian army, bar 7.

It cost me some very dear losses. ... But all in all, I achieved my goal. I put out some bait, they snapped it up, an the other half of their forces are still besieging my northern fortress.

Intelligence reports are spotty, but confirm that nothing really remains to threaten me. Abysia probably thought the same, so I wouldn't want to trust the same assumption.

[Cor2]

Caelums foes watch the skies in terror. ....
as they seige our castle. but terror!

[Burnsaber]

Cor2 said:
Caelums foes watch the skies in terror. ....
as they seige our castle. but terror!



Yeah, it seems that there's a line forming up outside the gates of Caelum. Come outside and play little birds.. Those walls won't help you for long.

[Cor2]

Our walls are very sturdy. And they give great vantage points to launch spells from. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

I was sad to see how easily Argatha was defeated. You should sack them instead of me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Well, I've managed to make a couple of updates to my AAR play by play after a long absence. This was a rather interesting battle. Costly, (12 truly dead wights), but likely to turn the tide of war in my favor.

Now, I'm eagerly awaiting the next turn.

[Valandil]

Atlantis is hiding under the ocean, after a bungled war against Agartha, which has ended in peaceful traty with much grumble and talk of Honour from the Atlantian backbenchers.

No provinces were exchanged over the course of the war. It cost Atlantis much of their army, and Agartha lost about eight guys.

For some reason, Agartha has agreed to peace. We look upon them with utter disdain. Fear, but also disdain.

[Cor2]

How did you like those seeking arrows?

[Burnsaber]

Cor2 said:
How did you like those seeking arrows?



Let's put it this way. The score in the game of Seeking Arrows vrs my commanders is 0-6.

[Cor2]

Thats sad. Maybe I should stop using those suction cup arrows.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Hey! Its Nerf or Nothing.

[Szumo]

So guys, any gossip? I'd love to hear what's happening in the south, for example? Sauromatia and Vanheim still fighting?

[Burnsaber]

Well, in order to get gossip, one must also give gossip. And I'm now going to give others something to gossip about.

Recently we have had some diplomatic issues with Agartha. We won the race to the Caelum's capitol fair and square, but the greed of the Pale Ones is endless and vast. We, as creatures of gluttony (although we prefer the term "excessive consumer") could only watch in disgust as Agartha simply claimed, on no basis: "Give us the capitol, or it's war". Well, the people of Yomi are not completely unreasonable so even while offenced, we tried to reason with warmongering Pale Ones, but there is no reason that can be used against the greedy Agartha.

Agartha leads in every chart imaginable, but still they hunger for more. For the slighest moment were going to give in to their bullying, but then we realized that doing so would be akin to desecrating every Oni who gave their immortal lives for us to get so far. We are the undordog in the coming fight, but someone must stand against the Agartha menace.

We also advice his neighbours to strike now that his armies are divided. If he wins this war, my gold, gem income few kickass magic sites of mine will be added to his already amazing repertoire of weapons. He has apparently has found many indie magic sites and seems to have good if not amazing access to all paths of magic -> if we allow him to grow even a bit more he'll devour us all.

Come, fat and lazy ones, come from your thrones on damp caves and taste a real battle! Your bodies will make a great feast!

And now something completely different;

I'll be away this weekend from Friday to Sunday. Is there anyway that hosting could be delayed to say Tuesday morning, so that I could make my turn on Monday?

[Szumo]

Ah, what a nice piece of propaganda, Burnsaber. Wouldn't be nice if you have mentioned all of the facts, though.
I'll add a few interesting things that change the perspective:

1. It was your inititiave to attack Caelum together and split their lands. Then, after i started the war with them, you decided to wait a few turns, then swoop in from the other side and take Caelum's land while they're busy with me. Nicely played! End result - you take all their provinces but two. Wondering why i'm not happy about that result?

2. On your way to the grab as much Caelum as you could, you even sent a group of stealth troops through my lands, without telling me about it all. Those troops were detected by PD, and then defeated it. If conquering my province without provocation, need or warning is not a violation of NAP 5 we used to have, i don't know what would be.

3. You say you won race to Caelum's capitol fair and square? The truth is quite different. Our armies got there on the same turn, and it was mine who was there first and got to fight Caelum's defense, while your forces fought with mine later. That definitely makes "the right" to conquer that province contested.

4. Your unwillingness to resolve this issue diplomatically to my satisfaction, and the rumours i hear about you asking our common neighbours to ally with you and attack me, made me convinced you're not to be trusted. I believe the truth is simple, it is the Yomi who got fat and lazy after devouring Caelum, and it is my duty to kill em all while they're too weak to defend their fresh conquests.

5. Other races you call are definitely advised to stay out of this business. I think they've seen that i'm willing to deal fair, you'll be the first and hopefully the last to learn my wrath after your betrayal.

Oh, and i'd still like to hear the gossip from other parts of the world http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Janlm]

Perhaps you should have agreed on some terms before arranging an alliance against the poor Caelum. It seems to me, that a "race" towards nations capital to be the means of dividing conquered lands, can only end in disputes like this.

Well I will be happy to inform you that close by Argathan lands, Abyssian troops is fending off an unprovoked attack against the vile and evil C'tis forces. Lead by greed, and desire for destruction they are laying siege to one of our castles at the moment.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I'd really love to hear from my neighbors down south, Arcosephale. I've moved my few scouts west to Abysia, and have settled for a simple patrol by freebie militia. I haven't heard anything from there. I have no clue whether they are in the middle of war or are on their way to wishing for Armageddon. Or Cthulu.

In Ctisian news, I'm attempting to lay siege to a mountain citadel, while they lay siege to a northern fortress of mine. Bit of defense there, though hopefully few troops inside. My swarms of lesser undead should help me tear down those walls. Either way, I won't hang around there much longer. I need to push deep into Abysian lands. I don't want to make the mistake of losing the initiative twice. Still, this castle is critical, because there is a site producing Enchantresses. Two nature, one astral, isn't significant for me with my shamans, but letting Abysia get ahold of astral magicians will severely hinder my plans. As well, this mountain citadel is much better than what I could produce- I look forward to claiming it as my own.

Although they are vulnerable to much killing, Falchioneers are great counters to Burning Ones- their relatively low attack (8 per sword) is countered by the elites' defense of a paltry 5. Bit lacking in penetration, but they're the best mundane option I have available.

I must conquer Abysia before their mages bridge the research gap. The spell of Darkness is an incalculable advantage, even when I have to spend 4 gems a battle, and even if I don't have undead. Even my regular troops benefit, since it hurts Abysian elites and mages much more than it hurts me.

Earlier, I had a force of 1 Bane Lord, and 14 wights. I sacrificed this force, in order to ambush an army of Ctis. I had expected them to live, thanks to darkness, but had overlooked the precision of banishment. Still, killing an entire army, and leaving their fortress unguarded was well worth it.

In other news, I purchased the services of Obscuro, the Hidden Master. Who, for utterly inexplicable (or obscure) reasons, has earth boots and a frost brand that I'm unable to use... A fragile air two mage, with boots that boost earth magic he doesn't have... And a frikin sword. WTF?

Abysia is raining flaming death on my forces. Interestingly enough, I prophetized my bane lord and am using him to raise longdead skeletons (of ctis) while I'm laying siege. Only produced a measly 14 undead so far. But it should help counter the loss of 20 unidentified soldiers from this flaming nation.

The pretender of Abysia, and ninety troops are near my forces. Can I guess their intentions?

[Valandil]

I staled turn 39. Because my spam filter kille the llamasever's message. I sent my new turn in, and fixed my email settings. Blurgh.

Argh. Gift of health?

[Burnsaber]

Szumo said:
1. It was your inititiave to attack Caelum together and split their lands. Then, after i started the war with them, you decided to wait a few turns, then swoop in from the other side and take Caelum's land while they're busy with me. Nicely played! End result - you take all their provinces but two. Wondering why i'm not happy about that result?




Yeah, I suggested that. You responded "Perhaps I'm intrested" -> that is not a "yes", without confiramtion from both sides, there is no deal. Besides, I said to you that I won't be ready immediately, I had to forge equipment for my Dai Onis´. The end result might have been poor from your perspective, but we are not to be held responsible for the actions Atlantis, who delayed you greatly. If they hadn't interfened, you'd probably have already busted the Caelum gates open.


Szumo said:
2. On your way to the grab as much Caelum as you could, you even sent a group of stealth troops through my lands, without telling me about it all. Those troops were detected by PD, and then defeated it. If conquering my province without provocation, need or warning is not a violation of NAP 5 we used to have, i don't know what would be.




Yeah, I did that too. But the item I gave you as a apology is worth more than one meagre poor income province.


Szumo said:
3. You say you won race to Caelum's capitol fair and square? The truth is quite different. Our armies got there on the same turn, and it was mine who was there first and got to fight Caelum's defense, while your forces fought with mine later. That definitely makes "the right" to conquer that province contested.



The order on how the battles are resolved is ramdom. Random /= fair. At the start of the turn it was Caelums, we bot attacked it at the same time and in the end it was ours. You can't get more fairer than that.


Szumo said:
4. Your unwillingness to resolve this issue diplomatically to my satisfaction, and the rumours i hear about you asking our common neighbours to ally with you and attack me, made me convinced you're not to be trusted. I believe the truth is simple, it is the Yomi who got fat and lazy after devouring Caelum, and it is my duty to kill em all while they're too weak to defend their fresh conquests.




If you ask us, you lacked the will to resolve this issue diplomically. I also heard rumours that you eat babies, all attack the baby-eating Agartha!

[Szumo]

Lazy_Pefectionists: Obsuro having those items is the result of my battles against Atlantis during our short war. He was in my employ at the time and grabbed the loot quite efficiently, even if he has no immediate use for it himself.

Burnsaber: Ah, but that is an obvious lie! Everyone knows true Agarthians do not eat at all.

[Cor2]

News from Caelum:

The powerful Eagle Kings set around and play cards and drink most of the day. The 'god' Ourboros has returned and it has become a favorite passtime of the mages to get sloshed and strike it with lighting bolts. Our walls are sturdy and it will be a while before Yomi can get in. Who knows by that time Argathia may have destroyed them.

[Hadrian_II]

On the southern Front, kailasa is struggeling against the evil empire of sauromantia, we just put together our final army to try to repel them or else we will be defeated.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

2/3s of the way through my turn.

First third was deciding, strategically, what to do.
Second third was deciding, tactically, what to do, and setting the orders.
Third third will be the rest of my empire.

I finally paid attention to Sun-Tzu, and cracked open that book again to check a couple passages. It would have been better if I'd paid attention to it from the beginning (good generals pick fight only after victory has been assured, bad generals fight first, and only later look for victory).

Still, I think I'll come out victorious, unless Abysia has an ace up their sleeve. I'm not certain what their pretender has on hand, but I can guess from their nation page, chassis, and titles.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Oh *bleep* *bleep* *bleeping* *bleep.

For ... I will inform Janlm that my Sauromancer was not scripted to retreat on the second turn. And while flare wiped out quite a few undead, it was nowhere near the autoretreat precentage as I'm aware of it. As well, he didn't take any direct damage.

ARRRRGGGGGHHH!!!! I'll have to review this *bleeping* *bleeping* battle until I figure out why this *bleeping* happened. As well as triple check the autoretreat amount, and each spell used.

I'm looking at Hellbind heart as a likely culprit, at this moment.

As well, my commander carryign spare death gems to the battle was ASSASSINATED! Argh!

[Szumo]

My scout saw that battle. I think it was 5 point hit from Blade Wind that made your Sauromancer flee.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Except that abysia didn't cast any earth magic. I'm ctis.

Hellbind Heart- they likely got my twiceborn S1D4N1 mage. I'm pissed. And when I'm pissed, I get even.

Now, I haven't heard anything from Arcosephale. But around 130 units, containing Clockwork Horrors, Myrmidions, Peltasts, Slingers, Chariots, Oreiads sends a pretty clear message. You have one turn to back away from my border.

[Szumo]

You must have watched another combat replay http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif Abyssia's pretender is casting Blade Wind, and one missile hits your D4 twiceborn mage for 5 points reducing him to 7 after which he flees in the battle i'm watching.

[duke_commando]

aw nuts...kinnaras get air magic?
that is so not fair.