Stone Sword

[Xietor]

Why does the stone sword affect gargoyles who are already stone? Someone tell me this is not working as intended?

[Shovah32]

Perhaps it turns them from moving, magically animated stone into solid rock and over-rides what-ever sort of magics were used in their creation?

[Xietor]

We have many bright and imaginative people on this board, and you are one of them. I am sure a "plausible" explanation can be found to cover any scenario.

No one is a bigger fan of petrify than i, as MA Pangaea is my favorite race, and the Gorgon my favorite pretender. But it really should not work against

1. Blind; and 2. Stone beings.

I think the problem is that there is no designation of living statues and gargoyles as "stone." And that needs to be in the game if petrify is also in the game. In the rock, scissors, paper nature of complex strategy games, I think stone beings should be labeled as such and be immune to petrify.

[HoneyBadger]

I would think the stone sword would affect blind troops, since it's the sword's touch-I'm speculating-rather than the sight of it-that turns a being into stone.

[Nikolai]

I agree that sword and spell should work on blind beings. Not Gorgon, not artifact shield, because the petrify effect acts before the hit is taken, so has to be sight based.

But it would be nice if the sword did not act on stone beings. Not necessary, but nice.

[Fate]

I think he means stone units shouldn't turn to stone, and neither stone nor blind units should be petrified by Gorgon (the blind units are there because they cannot see the Gorgon).

[Kristoffer O]

There is a flag for stone beings. I thought it made stone beings immune to petrify. At least it makes them vulnerable to shatter etc http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Endoperez]

What flag is this? Inanimate? Well, would it be possible to have Petrify change Lumber Constructs into Crashers? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Xietor]

I can confirm the gargoyles are not immune to petrify. Let me test living statues.

[Kristoffer O]

The flag is stonebeing

[Endoperez]

Kristoffer O said:
The flag is stonebeing



Wow... I always thought Smasher worked on inanimate beings. Could it be made moddable? I guess it won't be used much, if ever, but just having the command in there can give ideas. For one, it's once again made me want to do a Gargoyle nation based on the Disney's cartoon. Gargoyles with #stonebeing but not #inanimate; strong, slow-moving (mapmove 2 at most) fliers with good natural protection and rejuvenation, average magic resistance, good morale, etc. The problem is that I've got too many ideas, too little time and so few hero slots. Two unique immortals (perhaps one a hero and the other a blood summon), perhaps a Tuatha/Eriu -themed hero or two, an Archmagus hero, Timedancer, perhaps Captain of the Gargoyles as a stealthy assassin human OR as a benevolent non-mage ghost, a multihero Hunter with magic-slaying arbalest...

[HoneyBadger]

I like the idea of petrified, non-stone inanimate units gaining a protection bonus, instead of being killed. It's a good balance against gorgons, the aegis, stone sword, etc.

[tibbs]

So stone boots and stone sword are a good combination then?

[Endoperez]

HoneyBadger said:
I like the idea of petrified, non-stone inanimate units gaining a protection bonus, instead of being killed. It's a good balance against gorgons, the aegis, stone sword, etc.



Except that giving Stone Sword into a non-stone inanimate commander, like a Golem (clay, not stone) would HELP the Stone Sword's wielder.

[Kristoffer O]

> Wow... I always thought Smasher worked on inanimate beings.

I think it does. Skeletons are brittle after all. Can't remember what stonebeing does, apart from the possible petrification res. Might affect their lifespan. Higher maxage with higher earth magic or something similar.

[Endoperez]

Inanimate makes lifespan dependent on Earth. Could the stonebeing flag just be called #inanimate in modding?

[HoneyBadger]

Yes, as it should be. If the animating spirit can be assumed to be similar-and I don't know why animating clay would be any different than animating stone, they're basically the same substance-then changing clay to stone shouldn't destroy the unit, only make it tougher.

[Johan K]

Stonebeings are immune to the spell petrification. The stone sword only deals death with a MR roll. We'll have to fix that in a patch so they have the same stone resistance.

[Ironhawk]

I sense the Stone Sword is about to break out of its niche role...

GoR'd Gargoyles, anyone? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

Shhh. I do not want my foes to know about my gor gargolyes!

Though until the patch they do not work as intended.

Must finish the Alpaca game before the patch! Must Must.
I hereby give my notice in alpaca that all naps are terminated! (after the countdowns of course).

[Ironhawk]

My favored unit for the Stone Sword has been the Harbinger for the good MR. So long as the battles dont last too long you can get a lot of mileage out of a cheap chasis before it kills itself with the sword.

[Xietor]

No unit can safely use the stone sword. But I usually buy it and keep it in the lab so it cannot be used against me. Same with the ark, unquenched sword and a few other items.

[Ironhawk]

Yes, thats why i said "... before it kills itself with the sword". But its silly to build the sword and not use it. Its quite powerful and if you manage it properly it can be a very good weapon.

[Xietor]

There are too many other things id rather use-that do not kill my own thugs.

[Ironhawk]

Of course. But none as cool as the Stone Sword http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif