Consecrated Ground: EA PBEM (Full)

[Thrawn]

Been looking for a new game, but nothing has popped up on the boards lately, so decided to just start a new one. Would like to do a 10 player, EA game, with the Worthy Heroes mod. No graphs, renaming allowed, the usual.

Post here if interested, with your nation choices.

1. Thrawn - T'ien C'hi
2. Reverend Zombie - Lanka
3. Lazy_Perfectionist - Yomi
4. Calmon - Helheim
5. Ubercat - Mictlan
6. Janlm - Vanheim
7. Davegg - Ermor
8. Thraveboy - R'lyeh
9. Hadrian_II - Kailasa
10. Evilhomer - Niefelheim

[llamabeast]

Would you like to run this on the LlamaServer Thrawn?

I tell you what - I'm going away very shortly, but I can set the game up to accept pretenders, then start it when I get back, in a week. So, the option to use the LlamaServer is there if you don't mind waiting a week for the start. Getting the game organised and all the pretenders in will probably take a while anyway, so that shouldn't set you back too much.

[Reverend Zombie]

Lanka for me, please.

[llamabeast]

Game created on the LlamaServer, if you want to use it - it's cunningly called ConsecratedGround.

[Thrawn]

Thanks, Llama! Was going to ask if I could host it with you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Thrawn]

Welcome, Zombie. Got ya.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Interested in Yomi.

[Thrawn]

Cool Lazy, got you.

[calmon]

If you allow vanheim/helheim i would join as helheim. If not i'll go with mictlan.

[Ubercat]

I'm interested. Put me down for Mictlan, please.

[Thrawn]

Cool guys, got you...

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Ya know, for Consecrated Ground, we sure have a lot of evil going on.

[Reverend Zombie]

Evil? Who's evil?

[Janlm]

I'm in with vanheim

[Thrawn]

Evil can "consecrate" things to. Just DARKLY. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Thrawn]

Got you, Janlm. The only thing to remember is, if you play Vanheim, you have to have a permanent alliance with the game host. Hey, I don't make the rules. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ubercat]

I should have asked. What map are you planning on using? Will it be crowded with ten players?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Reverend Zombie said:
Evil? Who's evil?



Demonic nations
Lanka, Yomi

Practitioners of blood magic
Mictlan, Vanheim

[davegg]

Can I be Ermor?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Can always use more human servants to eat.

[thraveboy]

I'd love to play R'lyeh.

[Thrawn]

Not sure on the map, but will make it not crowded for sure. How many provinces would you guys like to see?

[Thrawn]

Got you davegg and thraveboy...

[thraveboy]

Great! Thanks!

[Janlm]

heh, you shouldn't worry too much about me playing vanheim, i'm a bit new at this http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Reverend Zombie]

Janlm said:
heh, you shouldn't worry too much about me playing vanheim, i'm a bit new at this http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



I'm not sure how bad they are since Glamour's been nerfed, anyway.

[Hadrian_II]

I'd like to join as Kailasa.

[Thrawn]

Got you Hadrian. Just need one more, guys...

[Ubercat]

Thrawn said:
Not sure on the map, but will make it not crowded for sure. How many provinces would you guys like to see?



With ten players, couple hundred maybe?

[Thrawn]

Posted a map on the first page, what do we think of it? 210 provinces. Is the water grouping fair for R'lyeh?

[Ubercat]

Thrawn said:
Posted a map on the first page, what do we think of it? 210 provinces. Is the water grouping fair for R'lyeh?



Looks ok. I hope I end up in that landmass in the southwest. If I make it to the isthmus first I'll have a great chokepoint on that land.

The loop de loop river in the northwest is neat.

[davegg]

Is this map a wraparound? Thats my strong prefercnce because it lessens advantaged corner positions.

[Reverend Zombie]

"Tube" wraparounds bug me, I'd prefer E-W wrap-around only.

[Evilhomer]

I would like to sign up with EA niefelheim

[Thrawn]

Awesome, Evilhomer. Got you. We now have 10, let's make pretenders. We're using the llamaserver, so you'll send directly there. I think you just have to put the game name in the subject, and send it to the pretender address there. I have that address around here somewhere.

I will make the map E-W wrap-around.

Do we all have the Worthy Heroes mod? I'll post it on the first page.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I've got worthy heroes 1.7b.
I can figure out where to put the map, but where does the .rgb file go?

Edit:

I like the basic geography of that random map, but i'd appreciate it if a few of those border mountains were converted to real mountains, please.

[Thrawn]

I think the .rgb goes in the same folder, Lazy.

I really don't have any mad editing experience. I thought making it wraparound would be easy, but it doesn't seem to be. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Would anyone like to volunteer to make it wraparound or have any suggestions?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I'll take a peek at it, but I don't have any experience. The odds of me achieving are slim. I have some time to kill.

Now are you having trouble with the technical component or the aesthetic component of making it wraparound?

As an alternative, you could try adding cave provinces, providing for some long distance travel.

[Thrawn]

I am having trouble with all of it. All I did with that map was use the random map generator. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif That's about the extent of my skill.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Do you have GIMP or Photoshop, Thrawn?

[Thrawn]

Photoshop

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

My directions are in a mishmash of GIMP/Photoshop-ese at the moment, since this isn't a formally written tutorial. Pardon any sloppiness. I can clarify a section if required, and make sure its in proper photoshop-ese.

First of all, with this map, it would be easiest to make it wrap around north-south. If you wanted to make the east side wrap around to the west, then you'd have to put in some significant time drawing.

Offsets: http://www.cadtutor.net/dd/photo/seamless/seamless.html

For the graphical component, I suggest setting an offset. This way you can see how the edges will match up. For the first round of work, just use the color picker to select the border color, and then select a slightly fuzzy brush and redraw the province borders to your preference.

Keep in mind that provinces are determined with a single pure white pixel, if you decide to join two provinces.

Since this is only a random map, we're going to take a few shortcuts and be a little sloppy. When the seam is obvious, but the terrain is similar, try using a smudge tool, and dragging it accross the seam. Alternatively, you could try a blur tool. When the terrain along the seam differs wildly, try using the clone tool.

This won't be perfect looking, but it will get the job done, graphically.

Technically? I'm a noob. I've been meaning to look into this so I can fix my own random maps to include some real mountains. I've got nothing yet, but am looking into it.

[Thrawn]

So, if you haven't already (and I see a lot of you have), you can upload your pretenders to the llamaserver whenever you're ready.

Send them to: pretenders@llamaserver.net

Just attach them to the email, and make sure your subject line contains "consecratedground".

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Would you like me to hurry, or can you wait until Tuesday for me to send it in (my pretender)?

It's not necessary to delay, just by Tuesday I'll have my manual back. I can certainly start earlier.

Technically, the map editor has some wraparound functionality. There's some documentation on it in acrobat reader post document format, but here's what you need to know for wraparound functionality.

One caveat, however. I'm not sure how, and if you set wraparound to function only in one direction. By default, the map wraps around north-south, east-west. You don't need to link those, but it makes for some visual ugliness. Perhaps a faux border along the edges? Or actually reading the documentation.

Basics of using the map editor.
1). Run Dominions 3. Go to Game Tools, Map Editor, Load map. Enter in "Consecrated_Ground" w/o quotes, with underscore to load a file in your maps folder. Some operating systems are case sensitive (not windows).
2). There will be a toolbar on your left. At the very bottom is a box marked wraparound. Check that. Note that this DOES NOT connect those particular provinces. You'll have do that manually.
3). Scroll to provinces along the seams, or former edges of the map. Select a province with a right-click, and left-click to connect it to another province.
4). Save frequently with different filenames (cg1, cg2).

There may be some map editor tutorials available, but I don't have my manual available, nor the energy to find it in the forums, tonight.

EDIT: So you don't have to reload every time you make a mistake...
Control-left-click removes an accidental province connection.

Just found this out. Heh.

[Thrawn]

No rush, Lazy. We are waiting for llamabeast to get back later this week before we can start anyway. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Thanks for the map editor info! Will give that a shot today.

[Hadrian_II]

I think the game is already set up and will start as soon as the pretenders are in. It was the same with DoomChicken and that game started when llama was away.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

The only reason BAG can't start is because of the mod nations. Hadrian's probably right, since we don't have any mod nations. Though I don't know about the whole custom map part- how do we let the game know which map we're using?

[Hadrian_II]

I think llama set that up, doom chicken uses edis cradle of the dominions map, and that is no different to any other custom map.

[llamabeast]

Hello from HolidayLand!

So, this game won't actually start automatically, because it doesn't know what map and stuff to use. The two reasons a game might not be able to start in my absence are (a) it has mod nations, or (b) I don't know what settings it should use when I leave.

Back in a few days though.

By the way, has anyone had a play with paradoxharbinger's map generator? I haven't yet, but I know it can make wraparound maps. I think it might be a bit tricky to use though.

[davegg]

woohoo wraparound!

[calmon]

Nation Update on www.llamaserver.net (http://www.llamaserver.net)

Uploaded Pretender:
Lanka
Niefelheim
R'lyeh
Ermor
Kailasa
Vanheim
T'ien Ch'i
Helheim

Still missed:
Yomi
Mictlan

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I've got my manual back, so I'm looking into all these different pretender possibilities with a vengeance.

[Ubercat]

I'll get my pretender in soon, probably later today. How much time do we have before the game can start?

[Thrawn]

I think llama gets back Friday, Ubercat.

[Ubercat]

Ok, uploaded my pretender. What is the turn timer set on? I'm getting married on Friday and have a busy weekend ahead of me. Could we start at 48 hours?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Pretender uploaded... Since I wasn't going to be satisfied if I spent a year designing one, I've went ahead and submitted a somewhat thematic one.

[Thrawn]

Thematic is always good. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Sure, Uber, we'll do 48 hours. Congrats on your wedding! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

Okay, I'm back. So, to confirm the game details - you want the map attached to the first post. Um, mods, did I see you want Worthy Heroes? Any others? How about game settings? Graphs?

Sorry if this is all in the thread and I missed it. I skimmed it but didn't read it properly.

[llamabeast]

Still waiting for confirmation of game details so I can start the game.

[thraveboy]

Yep llama. Map attached at the beginning, Worthy Heroes (latest), no graphs, renaming allowed.

Thanks!

[Thrawn]

Guys, sorry I dropped the ball on the wraparound on the map. We're having a big music festival here in town, and I've been insanely busy setting up for it. I hope everyone is okay with no wraparound, this time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Real sorry...

[calmon]

The game wants heroes 1.7. I can only find 1.7b in the forum. It seems this version fixed a bug in 1.7.

If we use 1.7 someone have to upload this version here.

Second Question: What are the victory conditions? (VP? How much of them?)

[thraveboy]

Yeah, I have Worthy Heroes 1.7b also.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Upload... Attached 1.7

I'm really interested to see the name Ymir. I'm curious as to whether their interpretation of the great giant is any way similar to mine when I played LA Atlantis.

I'm a bit disappointed with the map. The layout is interesting, but I've got no actual mountains, just border mountains. Which means I'm kept out of my only defensible fortress, the Mountain Citadel, and left with options mostly in the low hundreds (with the farmland fortification the lone exception, with less than half the defense.

But that's a factor of randoms, and I got so caught up in wraparound I forgot to ask for real mountains. Stupidly, I've learned how to do just this for the random map I've been working on for BAG, but forgot to even request or think of it for this one.

I'm willing to play on, however. This is my first MP with Yomi, and I don't expect to last that long even if all the cards are stacked in my favor. I do expect to give it a hard fight and learn as much as I can, though.

[Thrawn]

Thanks for uploading 1.7! I need it too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[calmon]

Thanks for 1.7! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I found 5 Victory Points on the map. Are there any reasons for only 5 VPs and i repeat my question from the post above: What are the victory conditions? Do we play with VP victory?

[Thrawn]

Unless llama configured the game for a victory point win, we are playing with plain vanilla victory conditions. I didn't mention victory points in the first post, so I'm sure he didn't.

[llamabeast]

Yep, no victory points.

As for worthy heroes - I believe the server is using heroes 1.7b, but the file's called heroes1_7.dm. I guess I must have renamed it, I can't remember why. Doesn't seem like a very helpful thing to do with hindsight (and a lack of memory)!

Anyway, you should use 1.7b, renamed to heroes1_7.dm. I'll attach it here for convenience. Because there is almost no difference between the versions this won't cause you problems in any other games.

[llamabeast]

PS Maps often end up with VPs on them even when they are not VP games. I say often - I think always in my experience, but there may be some underlying reason I'm missing. Anyway, the VPs are only important in that they produce 1 candle per turn for the owner (so they are like having a temple if you had a dominion 10 god).

[Evilhomer]

Any chance we can postpone hosting with 20 hours for the next turn ? Won't have access to my dom3 computer until then.

[Thrawn]

Sure Homer. Are you saying you need 20 more hours? I will add another 24 to the timer.

[thraveboy]

I totally spaced and just remembered that I'll be on vacation from September 30th to October 6th. So, I'll need a sub for that week. Putting the word out early. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Evilhomer]

Turn submitted - sorry for the extra wait

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Hey, Evilhomer? Peace, war? Uneasy joining of the two? We had that unfortunate early skirmish, and once this turn's over I'll be committed to a course of action.

I am willing to make amends for this series of accidental conflicts... but I'm not eager for the delay of in-game communications.

Neifelheim is often known as a rush nation, so I'm a bit nervous. As well, I'm in the middle of negotiations with Ermor... though my opening offer wasn't greeted quite like I hoped (They took the two provinces I'd hoped for), I might be able to negotiate a lesser peace.

I don't need an immediate pact, but I am a little uncertain of what to do, other than refer to Sun-Tzu, Chapter IV, verse 15. I'm often too impetuous - that's costing me in Doom Chicken.

"Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterward looks for victory."

I'm trying to avoid the recklessness of the second part. I will withdraw from Plothai this turn. I am moving on the Sinks, however.

[thraveboy]

Hey all..

I haven't been able to find a sub for me playing R'lyeh from September 29th through October 6th. Thrawn has the password if y'all find someone to make sure the trains run on time. Otherwise, hopefully I'll be lucky and there won't be a rush into the water while I'm gone. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Evilhomer]

Lazy: Use personal messages, easier to see that someone wants something, since I'm not always checking each thread.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I forget sometimes, but I'll try to keep that in mind. A bit of a force of habit.

[Thrawn]

Thraveboy, do you plan on doing a turn today? Or, are you already gone? Just seeing when I need to pause hosting.

[thraveboy]

Yeah, I'd love to do my turn today. I'm leaving at 2:15 PST so hopefully Ermor will do their turn so that I can do one more iteration before I leave.

Thanks a lot!

[Thrawn]

Postponed hosting until either we find a temporary sub or Thraveboy returns. Will start looking for a sub. If you guys know anyone who might want to play R'lyeh for a week, let me know...

[thraveboy]

I'm back. Thanks a lot!

[Thrawn]

Awesome... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Thrawn]

Is everyone upgrading to the new patch?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Dunno. I'll have to make up my mind by Friday, as thats when BAG kicks off. And llama doesn't have internet access atm- so I don't know what that means for the games hosted by him.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Man... my income sucks.
Combining two death scales with several provinces under 1000 pop, and most around 3000 (yes, even the farmlands) is painful.

It's not even the troops I'm using- most of my demons are long dead. Its those damned researchers who are breaking my bank.

[Thrawn]

You know for a Worthy HEROES mod...it would be nice to actually GET a hero at some point http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Hoh hum. Still short of money, as always. I'd have elephants if it wasn't for my poverty. The game taunts me.

If I've got a province bringing in 3 gold a turn, I might as well turn the population into flesh-eating ghouls. At least they don't ask for a paycheck. Besides, everybody's already recruiting priests anyways- I mean, I am a demon nation. I might as well give em more targets.

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[Thrawn]

Has everyone doing? Any fighting yet? I'm trapped in my corner of the world, and can't see anything! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[calmon]

I sent my turn to the llamaserver but i didn't get any response.

I'm not alone with my problem: http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=558445&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Thrawn could you stop the hosting with your admin options?

[Janlm]

every game on llamaserver has that problem, and hosting can't be stopped, or delayed. I think most likely the server is down, so hosting won't happen anyway.

[Janlm]

Everyone seem to have staled once, I for some reason has lost two turns. It has ruined my game completely, is there something we can do about this?

[Hadrian_II]

Seems lamaserver has broken down.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Seems its back up now. Explanation on llamaserver.net

[Janlm]

yeah i see, but it dosn't change that the game has been broken

[Thrawn]

Does everyone agree the game is broken? I'm fine with continuing as is.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Uhmm... It didn't acknowledge my turns when I sent them in originally, but I recieved receipt now...

It might be broken. I'll take a peek.
Yep. Everyone stalled....

The email says it sent me 29 (twice!) but the second one appears to be turn 30 (in game). And on the website the stale data shows 28 while the turn appears as 29.

What this means? It means I have no frikkin clue which turn to work on and send in.

I am interested in continuing- though not as a serious game. I'm changing my mind every second so I'll stop back tomorrow. I'm also interested in not continuing.... I'm indecisive.

[calmon]

I've made my turn 29 (NOT the stale turn) and send it to the server and it accepted it.

But i'm not sure that the email server knows really the actual turn.

Did llama use a backup to take back the stale turn?

However i don't have llamas email adress so i can't contact him in his 1 week internet abstinence.

If someone have please pm it to me.

[calmon]

Well confusion complete:

If i "Request Turn Resend" i get the staled turn so it seems there isn't any recover.

I hope Llamabeast read my email and clarify all this.

Thrawn could you please use you admin options and stop this game from hosting!

[Thrawn]

yep, will stop the hosting...

i requested a turn resend as well. In addition, I got 2 emails as described by Lazy. If we all played with the FIRST email (which should be 29 not 30), would that put us back on track? I notice, however, some people have already submitted turns...

[Thrawn]

Llama responded in email, so you should have that. He basically suggested what i did above, play the earlier turn you received, not the second one, and it should work...

[Janlm]

eh I don't know, it dosn't really change anything for me...

[Thrawn]

Paused hosting until Thursday

[Thrawn]

Guys, the game will host tomorrow.

Is everyone back on board turn wise with llamaserver? Janlm, are willing to continue in spite of your staled turn? Not sure why that happened just to you, I know it's frustrating.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I'm back on board.

[Janlm]

yeah its frustrating, whatever has happened, it completely ruined my game and cost me an army and a castle. And I am certain that I did send the turn in good time.. But sure, lets continue..

[davegg]

Something is seriously wrong with the current turn (#30). Not to complain too much, I know the hosts are working hard for our collective beneifit but there are three bad things ...

1. I requested a turn resend from llamaserver and it sent one, but there was nothing attached to the file.

2. I sent in a turn 29, based on the last one that was sent, roughtly a week ago, but it reported I staled.

3. It also reported my arch enemy, Vanheim, who we still hate grrrr, winning a battle in Pastenna ... However, when I look at the map it shows my troops control pastenna and I can recruit units and raise PD, the whole 9 yards. I am not sure what to do at this point ...

Any suggestions are welcome?

[Janlm]

I think the problem must be the two versions of turn 29, you must have picked the wrong one and it has messed up the game for you. I don't know about the resends or the stale turn though. I agree with you that strange things is going on..

[davegg]

You think there is any way to fix things?

[calmon]

You normally get an response from llamabeast that your turnfile is wrong. Check your emails in response to your turn.

The status page for the game showed ermor as the only missing nation. Didn't you check this page? Its on the llama server.

And you should have get a remember 3 hours before hosting that your turn is still missing.

However vanheim missed the turn before so it should not that bad for you.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

So, anyone at war yet, or is this game a bundled of peace-loving hippies for my Ghouls to eat?

[davegg]

Yes, I looked at the status page, and i did not receive any email regarding an unsynched turn

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Uhmm...Can't do anything myself, but occasionally when a single turns' given trouble, in games I've administered... Send the turn file in with a different email address - you can do this without changing where it sends the turns to. It has occasionally helped.

Stupid ideas... use at your own risk.
Delete folder. Redownload turn file. Problem: Resend not working.
Uhmm... Delete .2h (order file). Try again. You still have your turn file in the directory, right?
Check to see whether your email's storage space is full. It doesn't fill up for me often, but someone emailed me this softphone voip software, and that filled me right up to the limit.
Postpone until the llama makes his daily email check?
Open your game, tap to file manager, delete .2h, and resave.
Alternatively, whenever I said delete, you could just rename to early_ermor.2h.bak or whatever, so the game won't recognize it.

[calmon]

davegg said:
Yes, I looked at the status page



So you saw that your turn is still missed and did nothing?

However to remember: Ermor and Kailasa Turn is not in at the moment.

[Thrawn]

Davegg, did you resolve any of your problems. When Llamaserver hiccuped recently, it sent two turns with the same turn # (29). The first (earlier) of those turns was the right one to play. I think, if you didn't play it, the system will send you the wrong turn if you request it.

[davegg]

To calmon, no the status page said I played

Thrawn:

It looks like that the new turn (I think its 31) just ignored what i said last time, gave me a stale and then synched me up to everyone else. So, I am back to playing.

Now I also have a stack of gold from three stale turns, anyone want some? I could use some water breathing equipment

[Janlm]

I'd like some gold please

[llamabeast]

Hello guys - sorry, this thread wasn't on my favourites list for some reason, so I missed all this (the favourites get e-mailed to me). Anyway - davegg - sorry the messup earlier led to you staling. I can sort of guess what happened although I'm not sure, but anyway it's obviously a consequence of that earlier messup at the start of the week and shouldn't happen again. Hope it hasn't disadvantaged you too severely.

[davegg]

We are ok, in our happy little corner; If anyone wants to trade for some water breathing items, please PM me

[Thrawn]

Hi everyone,

So, while I was doing stuff with the server this morning (starting the
new game Urapara, in fact), Something Very Strange happened. Specifically,
the file with the data about all the games in it got replaced by a version
from a week or two back. This is, actually, Impossible, since I don't even
keep old versions of that file. Definitely a case of a ghost in the
machine.

Anyway, the consequence was that every single game hosted (the hosting
times were in the past you see). So you'll all have got erroneous "new
turns". I've now rolled back all the games, but the unfortunate side
effect is that you'll all have to send your turns in again if you'd
already done so. Also the hosting times are later than they would have
been, and the 'Request turn resend' option won't work this turn
Summary: Ignore the most recent "New turn" e-mail, and if you had already
sent in your 2h file for the current turn, send it in again.

Anyway, sorry about that.

llamabeast

[Thrawn]

My read of the above, is that we should ignore the turn files we received (mine says 29). If we had already played our turn, we should resubmit the 2H file. If we haven't yet played our turns, we should do so, and submit the 2H file. In other words, ignore the new turn that came in.

[llamabeast]

Yes, that's right.

Hmm, maybe I suffer from an unclear writing style. I will have to work on it.

[Thrawn]

Well, I tried to send in the last turn file. This is the message I received:

"Hello from the LlamaServer.

I received an e-mail from you, but unfortunately there seems to be a problem with it.

Your 2h file seems to be for a different turn number to the one the game's currently on. The 2h file is for turn 32, while the game is now on turn 33."

Any suggestions Llama? I received two turn files in the mail. Is one of those maybe turn 33, even though it says 29? Did everyone else have this problem?

[llamabeast]

Looking into it...

[llamabeast]

Okay - I'll be honest, I'm really really confused.

I can see that it sent turn 32 out at some point, and almost all of you had sent in your 2h files for turn 32.

Then, when it went crazy, it sent out its "Turn 29"s, which I _think_ were actually Turn 34s, but I'm not sure as I have no way of checking. This is strange, because it implies that it hosted twice, which makes no sense.

The earliest fatherland file (the one needed to host the game) that I have is Turn 33. This would be fine, since almost everyone took turn 32. The only trouble is that I don't have the .trn files for turn 33, so it may not be possible for you to actually take the turn. So, I would like it if you could check all the e-mails you got, and see if any of them are turn 33 (Early Winter). If they are, please let me know, and that is the turn to take.

[davegg]

I am offically confused, as well. Maybe turn #29 is haunted? Anyway ...

I received two turn files, whose subject lines indicate they are from turn #29. I wasafraid to try to play them on my saved game, which is on turn #32.

To make a long story short, I made a copy of the saved game and downloaded the first emailed turn. It correctly played turn 32 and gave me turn 33 to play, so I think thats the right way to go.

Hope this helps,

DV

[llamabeast]

Aha! Okay, you have _two_ "Turn 29"s?

Yes, in that case, play the one which is really turn 33, "early winter".

Apologies guys.

[calmon]

My second turn file is turn 34 "winter" in which i've stalled. (I still had 6 hours time to do my last turn)

so this can't be correct

[llamabeast]

And what about the first one?

[calmon]

First one is turn 33 (subject from email says 29).

However in this one i stalled as well because i were making my turn, had 6 hours time before hosting and suddently the game hosted and i got the email with the new 2 turns in.

Does it mean you can't recover it correctly?

[llamabeast]

Oh I see, sorry.

I'm really sorry calmon, but yes, I can't recover it I'm afraid, so I can't undo you staling. I know this is really very unfair indeed, but there's nothing I can do about it. Sorry. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Thrawn]

Does this mean we all staled our turns? If so, that is somewhat MORE fair. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

No, just people who hadn't got their turns in when it inexplicably hosted twice. Only Helheim and Neifelheim staled I think.

[davegg]

Did we resolve the email reply to Thrawn when he tried to mail in his turn?

[llamabeast]

Well I think so yes. He needs to find which of the "turn 29"s is really turn 33 and play that one.

[Thrawn]

I guess an option to think on is whether or not we all would agree to stale this turn, to make things fair for Hleheim and Niefelheim? I don't know what the appropriate action is for these types of things.

[Evilhomer]

Sure was annoying to miss a turn, thought I had 4 hours to do it...oh well.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I'm for postponing. I should be able to get my turn in tonight (midnight EST), but it looks like I'll need to redo my entire turn.

[Evilhomer]

wow, now the game is refusing my turn. What is up with this game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

[calmon]

My turn was accepted are you sure you used the "early winter" turn? For me it was in the email with the turn 29 subject.

[Thrawn]

Likewise, Calmon

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I'm not the admin, but I'm curious, especially since I haven't seen any stalling. Still having problems?

So, have you heard about a world war? From the rumors I've heard, things look like they're about to get really messy for a lot of nations.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

One last utterance...
Dang quakes. Musta built my capital on a fault line. This is the second time one's taken down my temple, and this with a bloody luck 3 scale. Just after I rebuilt it, too...

[Janlm]

maybe its some kind of hint from the guy above... oh waits, thats you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

So, Helheim has cast Forge of the Ancients. Do I

a). continue warring against Niefelheim, ignore the forge. I like to think I have the momentum.
b). make peace with Niefelheim and turn on Helheim.
c). Feed pearls to an astral nation capable of dispelling.

[davegg]

forge of the ancients not good

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Anyone capable of dispelling it shortly, within six months? I have a cache of Astral Pearls I can contribute.

[davegg]

Instead of wasteing time dispelling, I would suggest you attack Helheim directly!

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

As I'm not interested in a two front war, no. I _think_ i sent evilhomer a pm, but I may be mistaken. Anyways, I'm still at war with Niefelheim, so my choice of action ATM is

A). Continue war with Niefelheim. Ignore Forge of the Ancients.

[AlgaeNymph]

Lazy_Perfectionist said:
I _think_ i sent evilhomer a pm, but I may be mistaken.

Nobody told you that I'm his substitute?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Oh.. sorry about that. Didn't have a clue. Do you like the visitors at your capital?

[davegg]

Lazy is there no B choice? and I am sure Neifelheim will make peace immediately if you switch sides.

[Thrawn]

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

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Frikkin stale turn... Can't blame anyone but myself, but...

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That's a LOT of Tengu... BAH!

I hate you. I hate you all!

*Runs off to a corner to sulk* http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Thrawn]

Is llamaserver down? I've sent my turn three times, but it doesn't respond, or show me as "turn received" on the status page. The status page has been the same since yesterday, also...

[llamabeast]

Yep, there's a note to that effect on the front page of the llamaserver website.

I would have hoped it would have been fixed by now though. I'll have to follow it up tomorrow.

[Thrawn]

Thanks, Llama. You're always on top of things. Should have known to check the site front page.

[calmon]

Our game still mean to host at 17:05 gmt today but your website says all game are postphoned by 24 hours.

Does it mean we've time for our turn untill tomorrow and we can ignore what the game state says?

[llamabeast]

The website is correct. I guess that means that the turn was previously due by 17:05 yesterday.

If the server doesn't get fixed soon I may have to postpone again, grr. Hopefully that won't happen.

[calmon]

llamabeast said:
The website is correct. I guess that means that the turn was previously due by 17:05 yesterday.



Hmm, no 17:05 today was the normal host time so i wonder that i still see it.

So it should be monday 17:05 when postponed correctly.

In moment i still can't send my turn and the game says 2 hours left. But i think it will not host, correct?

[llamabeast]

Er, well perhaps I was wrong about the website being correct, although that is strange. Following a second 24 hour postponement the deadline's now on Tuesday. Anyway turns seem to be getting through to the server again now.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

After that stall, I had a WTF moment looking at my gems and was wondering if the game was bugged. I was about to make a post to that effect, then reviewed my turn history.

Turn 42, 26 Death Gems (small trade occured)
Income +8.
Turn 43, 68 Death Gems (trade ceased) (2 handful of death gem events)
Turn 44, 93 Death Gems (unnatural plague, corpse gems)
Turn 45, 109 Death Gems (barbarians attack)
Turn 46, 122 Death Gems (barbarians attack, zealots join)

Nearly 100 additional gems? (some down to just regular income, 32+, depending on when I got those additional sites). I guess I really shouldn't underestimate the effects of a death, fortune, and magic heavy dominion.

[calmon]

Llamaserver hosted the game but the hosting time was tomorrow 10:55 am GMT, i and 2 others staled so llama should recover the turn.

I wrote him a message.

[AlgaeNymph]

Would anybody be interested in astral pearls? PM me you're interested in trading.

[thraveboy]

Hey all..

I'm away from a dom3 computer until Saturday night, could we pause this turn until then?

Thanks!

[Thrawn]

Game postponed until Saturday night!

[calmon]

Well Thrawn you are 1 week late!

[AlgaeNymph]

Besides Helhiem, how are the other nations doing?

[Thrawn]

Sorry Calmon, I see that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif If it's any consoltation, I staled my turn as well.

I'm conceding this game to Helheim, and setting to AI. Post when the game is over here, and I'll close it on llama. Good game, everyone, enjoyed it. Will start a new one in a day or two, hope you guys will play!

[calmon]

R'lyeh and Niefelheim are the only non-AI-players left. Both with only a few provinces.

If you guys capitulate i would be satisfied http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. Its not that much fun to do turns in an already decided game. However in case of need we can play it to the end...

[davegg]

Congratulations to calmon and boo to the people who thought he would lose, like me

[thraveboy]

R'lyeh will totally concede to Helheim. I had a lot of fun giving T'ien Ch'i the smack down everytime they tried to snuff us out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Thrawn]

Yeah, what was up with that? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I had two great, non-native underwater armies there!

[thraveboy]

I built up a lot of high-level magic, and my mind lords and pretender blasted it out with gems. Luckily I was able to win all the battles, but totally ran out of gems in the end and would have totally lost out if it went much longer. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[AlgaeNymph]

I can give you all my (Niefelhiem's) gems if your interested.

[calmon]

Ok, Niefelheim was destroyed this turn and R'lyeh conceded so we can consider it as ended.

Thanks for hosting llama and thanks for the game to all others. There were some fine battles in this game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif