Obat 002 Poland

[PlasmaKrab]

Just a small mistake I spotted while modding this one:

Unit 260 "Para squad" has weapon 167 in slot 4.
Weapon 167 is "9M120M Ataka", parametered as such (class 21, range 120, HEAT 80). While I have nothing against giving ATGMs to infantry squads, maybe a 50kg, 6-km supersonic radiobeam heliborne weapon is a tad overkill, particularly at 10 rounds per 10 men? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

For reference, unit 261 is similar except weapon 4 is #152 "RPG-7MT" and IOC is 2005 instead or 2007.
Maybe weapon 167 was intended for a light short-range ATGM and was replaced later? Or just weapon number typo?
Not 100% sure about this one myself.

[KraMax]

ATGM Ataka - are not intended for people. ATGM Ataka it can be started only from the special apc.

[PlasmaKrab]

Checked some more, and it could be a typo for weapon #157 "RPG-7TB 103mm" (FAE RPG-7), which isn't used by any para unit yet.

[KraMax]

Weapon 031 - wrong characteristics of the weapon - need to be established on sample RPO-A Shmel - Russia OOB

[DRG]

It's now on the list.....looks like a typo top me as well. I'll look at weapon 31 also

Don

[Psiaczek]

Hi, I am from Poland.Some questions:

1) Why in WINSPMBT v 3.5 in Polish OOB in weapon slot ATGM Spike-LR has HEAT 160? Is it a joke or what? Polish sources give at most 800mm RHA...And I see in other OOB-s Javelin ATGM has HEAT 45 , and Polish estimates for Javelin are 800-1000mm RHA and all Polish sources give Javelin better penetration than Spike. Meanwhile in Israel OOB I see SpikeMR HEAT 80? What is going on here?

I have also another question.

2) Is it possible in WINSPMBT game mechanics for ATGM to be both DC-ATGM and TA-ATGM? Polish sources claim Spike-LR to be both multi-charged and top attack missile.Is that true?

[PlasmaKrab]

Hi, glad to have first-hand info.
FYI the Polish OOB has been redone with Polish assistance already. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

1) No idea, probably just inconsistencies as different OOBs were done by different persons from various sources. Also, as I have seen, hard data on the Spike series has been very hard to come by. 160 seems a bit over the top, but I wouldn't have ruled out 120 or similar.

2) You'll have to look harder in the archives for confirmation, but I heard from the devs that HEAT TA-ATGMs are considered by the game as having advanced tandem warheads with regard to ERA resistance. AFAIK most top-attack missiles these days (bar EFP weapons that I don't model as HEAT personally) have tandem warheads as well. No that there's that many of them around yet, but you get the idea.

[Marcello]

Top attack are indeed assumed to be tandem warheads in the game.
It would not make sense to build a Javelin style weapon without a precursor charge anyway.