Game: Dawn of War

[Zachariah]

Server IP Address: www.evilzombies.com (http://www.evilzombies.com)
Port: 8097
Middle Era, random map of 15 provinces per player, renaming enabled.
Quickhost or every 48 hours.
If you have a stale turn twice in a row, you'll become a computer player.
75 turn limit, unless its still close.
scores will be posted regularly at: http://www.evilzombies.com/dom3/DawnOfWar.html

[Zachariah]

I'm in as Ermor

[Ubercat]

I'll take Jotunheim.

[Jazzepi]

I'd like to play Arco.

Jazzepi

[carlosib]

I'd like to play as Pythium if possible.
Thanks

Carlos

[Nikolai]

C'tis, please. Graphs off?

[Jazzepi]

I would like to see graphs off as well.

Jazzepi

[tibbs]

I've switched to Shinuyama
Remove Eriu.

Thanks

[Ubercat]

Why do you guys want the graphs disabled? Just curious.

[Lingchih]

They don't want everyone to see how feeble they are http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

I shouldn't be commenting... I'm not even in the game. Tempting though... how many spots are left?

[jimkehn]

I would take....um....Agartha???

[Lingchih]

OK. I assume there will be some water provinces? I'll take R'lyeh.

[Tuidjy]

> > Why do you guys want the graphs disabled? Just curious.
>
> They don't want everyone to see how feeble they are

You think you're kidding. But that's one of the two most important reasons. Many
good players take heavy misfortune. A bad event in one of the first turns can
often be seen on the income graph, and paints a big bullseye on the unlucky
nation. Much in the same manner, a lot can be learned about your pretender from
the research graph. When there is no research for the first turn, one can deduce
a sleeping pretender, and decide to attack.

The second reason is that at some point, everyone decides to attack the leader.
The graphs are what people use to decide who the leader is, more often than not.
Graphs off often leads to a more challenging game and really interesting diplomacy.

[Lingchih]

Yes, I was only half-kidding. I've recently played in a graphs off game, and it was very challenging to try and decide who was actually powerful. I like it... although, in a large game, I tend to want the graphs on. In a game of this size, graphs off should be fine.

[tibbs]

If there is a choice I would prefer graphs off as well. I think it is more realistic along with the reasons stated above by the others.

[Folket]

I'm in as Ulm.

[Rytek]

Zach, did you reset this server? last game at 8097 we couldnt get in

[Jazzepi]

Tuidjy said:
> > Why do you guys want the graphs disabled? Just curious.
>
> They don't want everyone to see how feeble they are

You think you're kidding. But that's one of the two most important reasons. Many
good players take heavy misfortune. A bad event in one of the first turns can
often be seen on the income graph, and paints a big bullseye on the unlucky
nation. Much in the same manner, a lot can be learned about your pretender from
the research graph. When there is no research for the first turn, one can deduce
a sleeping pretender, and decide to attack.

The second reason is that at some point, everyone decides to attack the leader.
The graphs are what people use to decide who the leader is, more often than not.
Graphs off often leads to a more challenging game and really interesting diplomacy.



It's funny, out of all the graphs I actually think that research tell your opponent the most about what sort of game plan you have. Though really it's a combination of exact information in several areas combined that can give you a good idea of your opponent's strategy, position, and abilities without ever sending a single scout. It's completely unrealistic.

Jazzepi

[Rytek]

If so, ill take MAN

[MAJ_Disgrace]

I would like to play Marignon

[Folket]

Given that scores will be posted on the internet we mind as well have scores in game as well. Otherwise people who have the endurance to watch the internet scores will have an unfair advantage.

[coobe]

i would like to try Oceania

[Jazzepi]

Folket said:
Given that scores will be posted on the internet we mind as well have scores in game as well. Otherwise people who have the endurance to watch the internet scores will have an unfair advantage.



I'm sure the internet scores could be disabled.

Jazzepi

[cupido2]

Then I'll try Tien Chi.

[Folket]

When will this game start?

[Reverend Zombie]

Folket said:
When will this game start?



Everyone who uploaded a pretender early might want to recheck--the server went down for a while according to a post here and when I checked last night, all the slots were open, even those previously claimed early on in the thread.

[Reverend Zombie]

Joined as Machaka, at any rate.

[Tequilich]

In as Atlantis.

[tibbs]

I've decided to go with Shinuyama instead. I don't know how to remove Eriu. I guess an admin has to do it.

[jimkehn]

Pretender uploaded.

[Lingchih]

R'lyeh Pretender uploaded.

[Nikolai]

C'tis Pretender uploaded.

[Ubercat]

Jotunheim has been uploaded.

[danbo]

Hi! I'd like to join as Pangaea.

[MAJ_Disgrace]

Marignon loaded

[Jazzepi]

I'll be uploading soon, please don't start before then.

Jazzepi

[jimkehn]

How many nations are there going to be?? I found 16 requests.

[Jazzepi]

Okay, I uploaded.

Jazzepi

[Folket]

Let's just put a start date and let anyone in play.

I propose we start on monday.

[jimkehn]

Whenever is fine with me, but weekends sometimes allows more people to play more turns.

[tibbs]

Monday sounds good to me.

[poopalt]

I'm joining in as Abysia.

I really suck at Dominions and never played multiplayer before, so if you don't want me to play just tell me.

[archaeolept]

no, its fine playing if you're inexperienced.. just be careful, and understand that most likely someone will stomp on you. Or there are "noob" games started around here pretty frequently; those are a great way to learn. Of course, being squished is also a pretty good way to learn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lingchih]

Only one way to learn multiplayer Poop... jump into the fire.

[Zachariah]

ok i'll be kicking it off in a few hours...

[archaeolept]

zach, eriu still shows as having a pretender uploaded... but the player who uploaded changed over to shinuyama

[Jazzepi]

There's no way to get rid of a pretender, that I know of, once they've been uploaded. These games that Zach hosts aren't terribly well organized, and this has happened every one of them I've been in. Invariably the person will stale for several turns since nobody is playing him, and he'll either be overrun, or set to AI.

Jazzepi

[archaeolept]

yah, i couldn't remember if there was a way to remove... not a big deal... one bonus magic site http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[archaeolept]

ok, in as the micts just to get used to the game again... micts withough blood...ummm, lol?

[tibbs]

Sorry about switching. I didn't realize it would be a problem to switch.

[archaeolept]

oh hey all, it does seem to have started http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

edit: ugh at starting position ;p

edit: oh Tibbs, can you give your password for eriu to a friend so he can just log in and set it to AI? that way we won't have to wait till the end of each hosting period... And if you log in, anti-cheat will get you i think http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[tibbs]

Velusion was kind enough to switch eriu to ai.

[archaeolept]

hey tibbs, wake up http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[jimkehn]

Just because we are on a 48 hour timer doesn't mean we hafta wait the full 48 every turn!!

[archaeolept]

its always the hope that turns will be quick at the beginning ... but especially w/ large games, there's often someone who has other things come up.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[archaeolept]

26hrs.. just shinuyama left... tibbs staled last turn didn't he? he had been last and it looked as if the hosting was right when it would have been forced to happen...

[jimkehn]

I think you are right about that, Archeolept.

[jimkehn]

I swore offa MP games once because of this. People sign up and then won't play their turns. But they are just so damn much more fun to play than against the AI!

[Lingchih]

Probably need to set Tibbs to AI unfortunately. He hasn't posted in several days, and has missed the start deadline for Evermore.

[Nikolai]

Two players on AI since very start... maybe restart?

[Jazzepi]

Nikolai said:
Two players on AI since very start... maybe restart?



Not for two players. We'd never get a game started if we restarted every time we got two AI players.

Jazzepi

[archaeolept]

lol it was only one - tibbs changed his nation choice, so the uploaded pretender was set to AI. If he doesn't get this turn on time, he'll be set to AI as well...

its a big map. 2AI's shouldn't cause too much problem i don't think. just a slow start because of this

[Lingchih]

Of course, this all actually depends on Zach reading the posts http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[jimkehn]

HAHA..and the AI nation has more provinces than any of us!!

[archaeolept]

yah he staled again it looks like. hopefully zach notices...

[jimkehn]

Yup....maybe need to be switched to AI. Archaeolept, I agree that two AI nations won't be a problem. Heck...it's not like the AI does nothing. They will play the game, just not as good as most humans

[jimkehn]

Jeez...finally.

[Folket]

Let's upgrade the server to version 3.10.

[jimkehn]

I second that!!!

[Zachariah]

server's updated to 3.10

[Zachariah]

also, i'll turn those two stalers (Marignon and C'Tis) to AI tomorrow if they haven't taken their turns.

[Nikolai]

Huh? I have no stalls! I am talking dyplomacy, and want to be done bargaining before sending orders.

[archaeolept]

its shinuyama who has been staling zach, lol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[archaeolept]

thanks for putting him AI zach... i saw it all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[poopalt]

I got the new patch, but when I tried to connect I got a red screen.

[archaeolept]

no one else seems to have that problem poopalt. reinstall the patch? or uninstall domIII, reinstall, and reinstall the patch.

[poopalt]

I tried that, and it still doesn't work. I'm running it on a linux box, if that helps.

[archaeolept]

this is just after applying the patch? maybe its a bug w/ the linux client http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

do you have access to another machine to try it from there?

edit: someone reports a bug w/ debian and 3.10 here (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=555630&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

[Zachariah]

the linux server's running the new version, 3.10

[carlosib]

Sorry guys, i really dont know how the game is going. I've been out of town since friday and even though i thought i would have acess to a computer to keep playing my turns i didnt http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif
This is the only chance i have at a computer and all i can do is tell you that i'm still in the game and coming back tomorrow evening. Then things should get back to normal and i'll keep playing my turns regularly as usual.
Thank you for understanding (and not setting me to AI) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Carlos

[Zachariah]

Arg, too late, I AI'd you (carlosib) before I read this posting: you should have told me sooner.

I just AI'd Pythium and Abysia cuz they were going to stale for a 2nd time in a row.

C'tis is still in the game, so hurry up and take your turn!

[archaeolept]

zach, you can go in and redo the turn... and so submit a turn w/out AI'ing him...

at least, until c'tis shows

[Zachariah]

dang, i missed it. I didn't realize it was actually reversible. Well I'll know for next time... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[carlosib]

No problem, i wish i had been able to let you know before. I guess we'll meet i the next game.
Good luck everyone! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[archaeolept]

/me kicks atlantis

wake up! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

we actually have a chance at getting a turn in at speed, for once...

[Tuidjy]

Guys, Nick asked me to apologize for his missing his turn. He has had an
emergency, and will be unable to play for a while. I took his last turn, and
he had stalled the previous one. I see that he is heavily engaged in diplomacy,
and I want to tell you that I will hold to any of his promises, but cannot
make new ones.

[cupido2]

coobe will be subbing for me (Tien Chi) for the next few turns. Just fyi.

[Tuidjy]

I guess you guys are stuck with me for the time being. The winds have gotten the
best of Nick. And there I was, thinking I was done with Dominions III this year.

So... C'tis is under my guidance, please send messages to me instead of Nick.
I will observe the borders and the peace treaties he told me about, and will
probably not be starting wars.

[Aapeli]

Are you running yet? Might it still be possible to join?

[jimkehn]

Aapeli, we are running and I don't think it is possible to joing a game in progress unless that game is looking for a substitute.

[cupido2]

lol I think coobe didn't play the turns for me.

Aaahm Mictlan, do you really want to join arms with the evil Ermorian Empire? I will forgive your invasion in my lands if you choose now the order of Tien Chi instead of the chaos of Ermor.

[archaeolept]

hi... pm's are better for this sort of thing... but I have had good dealings with ermor so far, so when you two came into conflict it seemed pretty natural that I support him http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I did send you a message giving you one turn's notice... I guess i'm not sure that you ever got that if that was a turn you were being "subbed".

[Ubercat]

Jotunheim is being subbed by Sensori until Thursday. He will honor treaties and try to maintain the status quo.

-Ubercat

[cupido2]

Atque tu, Arcocephale?

[cupido2]

There goes Tien Chi. Unsung. Overrun by barbarians, undeads, bloodworshipers. Good bye, cruel world.

[archaeolept]

blood worshipers? if only... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

gg cupido. better luck next time.

[Nikolai]

I am taking C'tis nation back. I will obey all treaties made by Tuidjy... and of course, treaties made by me before I left.

[Folket]

I'm looking for a ring of wizardry. I will pay a handsome sum to whoever wants to sell me one.

[jimkehn]

Just a reminder in case some of you didn't know. If you are the last player to submit your turn, you can wait a few minutes for the turn to resolve, then log in again to do another turn, essentially giving you two turns in a row.

[Lingchih]

I need Wave Breakers. Please PM me if you are interested in making some for me, and what they will cost.

thanks

[Nikolai]

Is game down? I cannot connect. I mean, I get some packets, but screen stays at 'Waiting for game info'.

[archaeolept]

that's a bug sometimes... just try again a few times - i had that the first attempt, but then got in no problem.

when that starts happening it is best to restart the game instance on the server.

and email zach, as he usually doesn't ever check the forum it would seem

[Nikolai]

Thanks! Now I feel bad for holding game for everyone. It took 7 times, but allowed me in. And I submitted a half made turn :-(

[vfb]

Hi, just browsing, and saw you had troubles ...

A workaround for the "Waiting for game info" bug is:

- Play in windowed mode.

- Connect to the server and get "Waiting for game info".

- Do not close the window!

- Start a new instance of the game, connecting to the server again, with the original window open.

[Lingchih]

It's very tough to actually get a turn in, in this game. I did finally manage (with VFB's post for instruction) to do my turn. I was able to log in and see that I got my *** kicked. Still, that's better than staling, and seeing my *** kicked and not being able to do anything about it.

[archaeolept]

yah i'm having to use the workaround each time... game process needs to be restarted, at least.

[jimkehn]

Lingchih...seeing me get my *** kicked is normal!!!!

[Folket]

hmm... Seems like a lot of messages to ingame. Please send them as PM on the forum instead. I have very little time to play my turn and do not have time for diplomacy and trade during that.

[Ubercat]

Folket said:
hmm... Seems like a lot of messages to ingame. Please send them as PM on the forum instead. I have very little time to play my turn and do not have time for diplomacy and trade during that.



Why, when you don't even respond?

-Ubercat

[Folket]

I do respond in general but your message got me upset.

[archaeolept]

Folket said:
I do respond in general but your message got me upset.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif drama!

folket, pm sent http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Ubercat]

Folket said:
I do respond in general but your message got me upset.



Upset, kind of like if someone sent you a NAP offer while stacking up troops next to your capital, when stacking them up served no conceivable purpose but the obvious one of intimidation?

-Ubercat

[Lingchih]

Zach! Please fix the freaking game! Restart it or something. It's a total pain in the *** trying to get a turn in.

[archaeolept]

did you try the "trick" above, of opening a second windowed version? also, zach doesn't check the forums much - you could email him. i sent him a message ingame, this turn.

[Rytek]

This started happening in the other game I was in on this server as well. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Port 8097. We finally abandoned that game.

[Lingchih]

Yes, I can do the "trick", it's just a pain. I usually don't play in windowed mode.

[jimkehn]

Lingchih....once you have logged in successfully you can go back to fullscreen to play the game. That's what I do. I hate windowed mode. Just hafta use it to log on, then set it back to fullscreen before you play the game.

[Ubercat]

jimkehn said:
Lingchih....once you have logged in successfully you can go back to fullscreen to play the game. That's what I do. I hate windowed mode. Just hafta use it to log on, then set it back to fullscreen before you play the game.



How do you leave windowed mode after you already have the game open in a window?

[archaeolept]

well, you can make it a fullscreen window...

or you can have two different shortcuts, the first with the -windowed tag, and the second w/out...

edit: 53 minutes and c'tis just d/led the turn... fly like the wind, death lizards, fly, fly!

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Zachariah]

seems like there are connection issues. i'll restart the server as soon as noone's logged on.

[Tequilich]

groovy, looks like u fixed it Zach. thanks.

[Lingchih]

It's still hanging for me

[archaeolept]

try the workaround... i see this especially when a server has a bunch of games, and a bunch of players connecting... ie. the issue is likely to recur. solution is to periodically restart the processes/server

[archaeolept]

heh... pan attacked me, after never replying to my attempts to come to some polite agreement, and forced me to run away the turn I finally broke through the Aby capital walls... they occupied it immediately, while I had to bide my time.

but then this last turn he raided my supply line w/ his POD... defense 34 and 2 eye shields... only problem is all that left him with was a "useless kick -5 damage". So he was very slowly kicking my poor blind eagle warriors and a few mundane troops to death... finally they break, he's chasing them down the field, will the last few escape?... Turn limit reached, he auto-routs, flys off to his doom http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

worst part is, is that my commanders had already escaped, so I didn't get to scam any of his kit ;-)

[Lingchih]

Man, I just can't play R'lyeh. This is two mp games in a row now that I have been trashed by Oceania, and now by Atlantis. Is anyone giving "How to play MA R'lyeh" lessons? I'll be sure to sign up.

[Ubercat]

And it's on! Tag Klatu the Arrogant of Ulm has invaded Jotunheim. Will the honorable giants prevail? Or will the two faced tin suits snuff them out? Only time will tell...

NonBias - Your trusty reporter from the war zone

[jimkehn]

HAAHAHAHA!!! M'Lord, Jotunheim, Emperor of the giants. While I consider both you and Ulm friends, I did find your post most humorous. On the other hand. Man has taken lands that have ever belonged to Agartha. Let all the world know that Agartha will have what is rightfully hers, and deal punishment to all those who would deal treacherously with Agartha.

[Tequilich]

Lingchih said:
Man, I just can't play R'lyeh. This is two mp games in a row now that I have been trashed by Oceania, and now by Atlantis. Is anyone giving "How to play MA R'lyeh" lessons? I'll be sure to sign up.



Ive never played Rlyeh but it seems you should take magic scales to make your mind blasts more effective.

[Lingchih]

Yes, I did take magic scales. I have read the R'yleh faq. I did forget to take cold, which probably hurt me a lot. Ahh well, it's immaterial now... I'll be dead in 3-4 turns. Chalk it up to experience I guess.

[Tequilich]

Lingchih said:
Yes, I did take magic scales. I have read the R'yleh faq. I did forget to take cold, which probably hurt me a lot. Ahh well, it's immaterial now... I'll be dead in 3-4 turns. Chalk it up to experience I guess.



Hmmm.... How much magic scale did you take? Because in all your domain I do not read any magic scales. Just 1 order and 1 productivity.

[Ubercat]

First blood went to Ulm!

The incredible, fearsome horde of 40 Jotunheimian Shamblers that had Tag Klatu shaking in his shoes for so long tried a raid of Ulms vital, precious sea zone and were driven off by the flimsy, vulnerable 120+ defenders!

Yes. Ulm's territory is still secure. For now. He'd best watch his borders carefully, though. I saw some dangerous looking arctic foxes in some bushes. They probably work for the giants!

NonBias - Your trusty reporter from the war zone.

[Rytek]

Nice try with the propaganda, Argatha. You ignored our 3 turn NAP and attacked me with no provocation. Too bad my knights of Avalon squashed your pathetic elephant army at your second attack point. While your siege at my swamp fort in the winter time was ill advised as well. You lost your entire army trying to take it while the forces of man lost...1. Next time try not to fight your cold blooded Argathanians in a swamp during the winter. Or your 30+ hit point guys will just tire and lose to my 1hp bugs again.

[Ubercat]

So not only is Folket dishonorable and dishonest, but he's also a cheating Sack of S**t. Did he really think that attacking my capital with 4 spies in one turn to burn up my gems was a valid tactic?

It's not bad enough that he claims to want a NAP while trying to goad me into war (massively insulting my intelligence in the process), but he also has to cheat?

Will you be proud of a victory, Folket? If you win, will you be able to look in the mirror and say "I won fair and square because I was the better player."? You must be about twelve years old.

-Ubercat

[Edi]

Ubercat said:
So not only is Folket dishonorable and dishonest, but he's also a cheating Sack of S**t. Did he really think that attacking my capital with 4 spies in one turn to burn up my gems was a valid tactic?

It's not bad enough that he claims to want a NAP while trying to goad me into war (massively insulting my intelligence in the process), but he also has to cheat?

Will you be proud of a victory, Folket? If you win, will you be able to look in the mirror and say "I won fair and square because I was the better player."? You must be about twelve years old, Troll.

-Ubercat


Right. That will be enough. This sort of language has no place on the forum and the personal attacks and accusations against a fellow forumer rather than lambasting his nation in the context of the game are totally unacceptable. If you're unable to conduct yourself appropriately on the forum, then keep your mouth shut. I will not bother to issue a second warning. Since I don't actually have direct mod powers here, any further lapses brought to my attention will involve incantations known to summon beings called Administrators, who generally do not like being disturbed for trivial reasons.

Is that clear?

[Ubercat]

Yes, it's clear. I take it then that cheating is acceptable behaviour?

-Ubercat

[archaeolept]

"cheating" involves hacking the client or server; or going against game-specific rules. I don't see that as happening - if he broke his agreement, that may be dishonorable but isn't cheating per se. trying to burn up your gems by having an initial attack is "gamey", maybe an exploit... i guess you could argue along those lines.

[Ubercat]

Thank you. I can see what you mean. I appreciate someone addressing my issue.

-Ubercat

[Tequilich]

It's not cheating also I am breaking my NAP with Ulm. Beware of my Atlantean Scouts of Doom!

[Ubercat]

Well, this is a good time to do it. He only has token forces in the south. As for the scouts of death; he apparently didn't think it was enough to outnumber me five to one, he needed them as well.

If I live long enough, he is going to HATE my scouts; since he opened that door.

-Ubercat

[Reverend Zombie]

Ubercat said:
Did he really think that attacking my capital with 4 spies in one turn to burn up my gems was a valid tactic?





I didn't think your mages would use gems if attacked by a small force, so am a bit surprised this worked against you.

[Ubercat]

It worked, though I'm not going to say how well at this time. Let him sit through all the batreps, if he wants to sample the cheese.

-Ubercat

[jimkehn]

Rytek...I honestly didn't think we signed a NAP!!!! I knew I had them with my three other neighbors which left only you to attack!!!! 8^) And yeah.....you kicked my arse fair and square. Problem is....these MP 48 hour games move so slowly, I can't remember who I NAPPED 3 months ago or not. My apologies to you, sir, for the offense.

Odd though, Klaus the hero had 12 death gems and was scripted to cast darkness. At the beginning of the turn there were no death gems on his person. Weird. Anyway, I know I am going to pay for the.....uh......"mistake" I made. Please....just make it quick and merciful. I HATE slow deaths.

8^)

[archaeolept]

its always a good idea to make NAP agreements by PM'ing on the boards - otherwise no one can remember wtf :-)

i've seen a few glitches recently with the turns and what my orders were... i'm wondering if there is some recently introduced bug...

[Lingchih]

I personally don't acknowledge any NAPs unless they are done through a PM or email. I want some documentation, and the game doesn't save any.

[Lingchih]

Well, I think if my chicken Starspawns had not given the order to retreat, my Pretender could have routed that whole Atlantean army by himself. Not even the monster fish could seem to scratch him. Ah well, so be it. They are all dead now anyway.

R'lyeh is gone. Although we did fight to the end, and gave Atlantis a bit of a bloody nose.

[archaeolept]

hey, a bloody nose is a bloody nose http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Rytek]

Its a wargame. no harm done. Your death mage used all of his death gems the turn before against the PD.

[Folket]

I'm tired about the charges against me.

I proposed a NAP, but you demanded a province and complained about my army defending the province. I said I would not give you the province but would move away my army when/if you agreed to a NAP. Only reason I could see why he did not want to sign a NAP was that he was going to attack so I reinforced the province. This made Ubercat very upset and he sent an insulting message, at that point I put on the lid and decided to attack him.

I did send four scouts into your capital to whip up some unrest. You found them all and I have looked at all four battles and your mages did not use any gems.

I will have to thank Edi for standing up and defending me and seeing through the complaints of Ubercat.

[jimkehn]

Rytek..Hmmmm.....maybe he did by casting stuff like shadow blast??? I don't know. Good possiblity.


Yes.....I agree. It's a warGAME. Emphasis on game. I don't take these too seriously. Maybe next game we will be loyal allies. I don't carry grudges from one game to the next. Originally I thought three of us were attacking you and I ended up being the only one. Way under powered for the way you have built up. Nice game. I know it isn't over yet, but I can see I cannot hold my own against you. Good job. But I will do everything I can think of to make it a challenge for you.

[Ubercat]

Folket said:
I'm tired about the charges against me.

I proposed a NAP, but you demanded a province and complained about my army defending the province. I said I would not give you the province but would move away my army when/if you agreed to a NAP.



I didn't demand. I respectfully requested that you cede it to me, as it bordered my capital. I also indicated that your having troops there made me nervous.

When you said no, I asked if I could trade you something for it. You didn't even bother to decline bartering. You just threatened (as you admitted above).

There was no reason you needed an army there. Neither of us are playing aquatic factions. Without help from land armies, our naval forces would be no major threat to each other. Nevertheless, you built up your army every turn, forcing me to keep my army in the fort when it could have been useful elsewhere. Didn't the London blitz teach you that you can't bully someone into submission? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

In your shoes I would have withdrawn the army as soon as I realised it was annoying you. It would be simple courtesy, especially since I was no threat to you. If we'd agreed to a NAP and then I invaded your sea region, then I'd show myself a liar, and achieve nothing special by it. We'd just start a pointless naval arms race, which any REAL sea faction would laugh at, wasting our gold in the process.


Only reason I could see why he did not want to sign a NAP was that he was going to attack so I reinforced the province. This made Ubercat very upset and he sent an insulting message, at that point I put on the lid and decided to attack him.



And you have now seen with your own eyes that I only built 40 Shamblers, just as I said. Not much of a force to capture your whole ocean and then take your capital. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif I wouldn't have built them at all, except that I had an inland seazone to grab. As for insulting you, I believe I questioned your knowlege of human nature, in reference to your attempts to bully me into a NAP. Was there something else I said?


I did send four scouts into your capital to whip up some unrest. You found them all and I have looked at all four battles and your mages did not use any gems.



I saw some gems missing from some of my casters. Not a great deal, but noticable.

-Ubercat


I will have to thank Edi for standing up and defending me and seeing through the complaints of Ubercat.

[Tequilich]

Lingchih said:
and gave Atlantis a bit of a bloody nose.



More like a pimple. Also I enjoyed that battle Acro and Machaka.

[Lingchih]

Don't gloat too much Tequilich. We may meet again.

[Folket]

Could someone update the first post to show who is playing what nation. It would help diplomacy.

[Ubercat]

News from the war.

I'm speaking to you now from the great capital of Ulm, where the mood of late has turned to trepidation. Last night, the skies rained a strange sight. Poisonous toads fell throughout the streets.

At first the citizens laughed. One proud little granny was heard to say "Toads!? The best they can do is toads??" This reporter suspects she isn't laughing anymore. I've learned that the cities wells have filled with the little things, and they've started dying; spoiling the water.

As I look outside my window I see angry mobs in the streets. It appears there is a massive draft riot going on. The local economy is in shambles. One is forced to wonder how Ulm will be able to continue supporting her massive army?

I have just recieved word that Jotunheims army is safe behind the walls of it's capital. The Ulmish horde finally invaded. It must have come as quite a shock to Tag Klatu that, despite controlling one of the largest armies in the world, he could not break through the walls. He will need to move up reinforcements, and the population in his capital is refusing to enlist. Quite a dilemma for the god of Ulm. Perhaps he can starve them out?

As always, where ever the news is today, you'll find your trusty reporter keeping you up to date. Good morning and good luck.

-NonBias

[Ubercat]

Jotunheim needs Fire gems and a Fire booster.

I can trade Skull Mentors, or Astral and Air gems. PM if you'd like to deal.

-Ubercat

[Tequilich]

Lingchih said:
Don't gloat too much Tequilich. We may meet again.



Oh come now bro u should not carry over hostilities.

[archaeolept]

ah... waiting for lingchih's turn in order to host... otherwise 23 hrs... stupid game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

lingchih, if you read this, if you would be so kind...

[Lingchih]

oh, sure, sorry about that. I'll set myself to AI when I get in.

[archaeolept]

np - technically, i really shouldn't be trying to speed up any of my games... lol?

[jimkehn]

Most Powerful and Exalted Lord of Man http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

.....Uhmmm.......I mean.....I'm just assuming here 'n' all....it's too late to talk about peace......right???

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Rytek]

What, you did manange to kill my witch/foulspawn thug! I was very upset by her death. It amuses me to kill your powerful F9 blessed giants with my fireflies and Ants. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[jimkehn]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Well, if you'd stop putting my eye(s) out, maybe I could stand there and fight fair.

I think most people underestimate those fireflies. That's a pretty powerful spell for requiring only a level 1 mage. I have killed a lotta Pretenders with a Druid and a load a gems and swarm scripted. This was mostly in Arena matches. where there are no other outside circemstances.

It IS funny though to watch those big dumb drooling ancient ones spew out a steady stream of red damage numbers out the top their head while they swing blindly and miss at those pesky magical gnats!!!

HAHAHAHA!!!

I'll stick around a bit longer just to watch with envy, your Knights. You have done a helluva good job, and I congratulate you on beating an opponent who is far weaker than you!!!!!!

8^)

[Ubercat]

A sad message from the newsdesk.

It is with heavy heart that we must announce the illness of our star reporter, NonBias. Despite taking great care, he was unable to avoid contracting one of the plagues that have rocked the great city of Ulm. Apparently more toads fell recently, denying the city the chance to recover that it so desperately needed.

He didn't consider leaving for an instant. Knowing the danger, he thought only of his public and their need to know the news of the day.

This editor, on behalf of all the staff here, would like to thank the Lt. Governor of Ulm, who has generously offered NonBias a room in the VIP ward of the new hospital which the Governors palace has recently been converted into. The former governor is also ill. With the blessings of his god, Tag Klatu, may the Lt Governor remain healthy.

NonBias was able to send us some information, and vows to continue his reporting until such time as his bed is turned over to another patient. May that day be far off, unless he has a miraculous recovery!

Apparently the bulk of the staff at Ulms prestigious College of Alchaemical research have contracted plagues. They have bravely sworn to continue their work until the fever grows too great and they take to their death beds! It appears that NonBias will have some very interesting ward mates. if he lives long enough, perhaps he can provide us with a fascinating interview.

We have just received word that a small Ulmish army also suffered from the Rain of Toads. It was apparently marching north towards Jotunheim, but we're not certain of it's location or health status. If we receive more accurate information we will let you know.

As always, when you need to know, we will let you know, all there is to know.

J. Jonah JesterSon
-Editor in Chief

[Ubercat]

Interesting developments from the Ulm-Jotun war of late. Tag Klatu dispatched a sub force from his siege of Jotunheim to grab more land. Apparently it seemed a reasonable strategy since the siegers could not break through. Unfortunately for the warlord, Jotunheim ambushed it with an army which Ulm apparently hadn't known existed. The attackers were defeated with heavy losses and it became clear that he would have to abandon the siege if he expected to send a large enough force to expand further.

Meanwhile, an as yet undisclosed enemy launched a raid on one of Ulms southern forts. Things are getting interesting for the ambitious conqueror.

Ulm was looking at some good news when her capital was spared from the Toads for an entire month, but celebrations were premature. After raining on two other forts the little croakers returned to Ulm. One definite bit of good news for Tag. A Jotun raid was defeated in its entirety. That pack of wolves will not be attacking again!

Neutralo - Freelance Reporter

[Ubercat]

An update from Jotunheim

I was finally able to penetrate the besieged fortress. Let me say it was not an easy feat. Over 300 Ulmish troops have the city firmly surrounded. I dressed up as an oil boy and gradually made my way closer to the wall while responding to one "Oilcan!" request after another. After nightfall I slipped into the city, welcomed by the gracious guards once I identified myself.

I was quite surprised at what I found. I had expected the town to be full of hungry giants. I was even fearful of ending up in a cookpot myself. It seems however that despite needing prodigious amounts of food, the giants were well fed! It appears that they wisely made preparations for a siege by securing a plentiful supply of magic broth! I don't know what exactly is magical about it; in fact the giants seem to be getting a little tired of it. But it does keep their bellies full.

As for the fighting, I saw no action except some streams of fire shooting from the walls and into the surrounding Ulmish horde. I can only surmise that a few troops may have been incinerated.

I will continue to keep you posted from my current vantage point. I don't want to risk having to explain to the Ulmish troops why I was in the city. Press credentials only go so far!

- Neutralo

[Ubercat]

From the Newsdesk...

Hello everybody. Today we have a special guest in the studio to do some expert strategic analysis for us. Eldred served in the elite Aquilonian Black Dragons during the last Pict war, so he definitely knows a thing or two about strategy!

Jonah: Eldrad, why don't you start by telling us what you see as the big picture for this Ulm-Jotunheim war?

Eldrad: Well Jonah, I can't see this ending well for Ulm. Tag Klatu has committed the best army he has, in fact the only real army Ulm has, to a fruitless siege of the Jotun capital. He's losing valuable lands, err hehe.. I should say waters.. to another foe, but he doesn't want to lose face by abandoning the siege. In fact...

Jonah: That's very interesting. We in the studio have been trying to figure out what started this war in the first place. We haven't had any luck. Could you shed any light on the origins of the war for us?

Eldred: You redirected me from my point, to put me on my point! As I was just starting to say, it is ironic that this war started over Ulms fear of Jotun naval power. Some months ago..

Jonah: Wait. You're telling me that Tag feared that the giants would invade Ulm by sea? That must be what you mean because Jotunheim had no land routes to reach them.

Eldred: That's exactly what I mean. And the greatest irony is that Ulm went to all that trouble to get to Jotunheim by land, and now is losing territory to a real naval power!

Jonah: Fascinating... Oh.. I see that we're out of time. Thank you for your time in giving this interview. It was nice to meet you!

Eldred: Thank you Jonah. It was a pleasure!

Jonah: And to the rest of you, good morning and good luck!

J. Jonah Jesterson

Editor in chief

[archaeolept]

hmmm i don't think i've ever cast eyes of god even in an
SP game; I guess I didn't think it did much.

I am hereby pleased to report that I was correct http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I guess if I were raiding a distant foe with teleporters, it would have its use. As it is, I can see who has what and who is sieging what. Man is sieging an agarthan castle; Arcos machaka; and Ulm has grabbed the lands around jot's capital.

[Tequilich]

Atlantis breaks our NAP with Mictlan and joins a Holy Alliance with Man to rid the world of Mictlan. We urge all other nations to join our crusade before Mictlan walks alway with the game. Any nations that take hostilities against Man shall suffer from Atlantean raids.

Also nice to see the giants free thier homeworld from Ulmish control.

[jimkehn]

Well, the next month will be the last month of existance for the peace loving peoples of Agartha. 8^) Agartha's Sunday School classes were only out hunting Easter Eggs when they accidentally crossed into Man's territories. Man slaughtered those children on that dark day, and would not stop until he caused the extinction of a whole race of pacifists. Shooting down children with professional longbowmen. Trampling old women under hoof of the vaunted Knights of Avalon. A dark day in the annals of "Dawn of War".

Congrats Rytek. You won this one seven ways to Sunday. In spite of the role playing rhetoric above, you were an honorable and noble opponent who destroyed your enemy....me!!! 8^) Good job and good luck with the rest of the game.


P.S. I honestly still don't recall having a NAP with you. But.....you are probably right. The memory is the second thing to go, ya know....

[Rytek]

Once, the peoples of argatha were peace loving. Then their minds were twisted with hate under the yoke of their false god, a Moloch from the very bowels of hell itself. The armies of man have labored mightly to free the peace loving Argathanians from the grip of the very devil itself. Soon your people shall know the peace and prosperity of of the Lord of Man.

That battle at your fortress went very well for me. Your casters really had it out for those trolls. They really couldnt have picked a worse target for you to inflict some casulties with. Regenerating trolls with lots of hits soak fire clouds and magma bolts much better than the knights or men at arms would have.

I believe you did forget our NAP and hold no hard feelings at all. I just role play it as your Evil Moloch was the perpertraitor. Also, when you attacked me you were at a disadvantage nation vs nation wise. Though you had an outstanding plan with that darkness and the elephants. I think your only flaw was attacking the swamp fort in the winter with your cold blooded guys. Too many players forget to take terrain and weather into consideration.. your blessed cold blooded guys were over 10 burden due to the swamp and cold penalty. Throw in 6 or 7 swarms of bugs and your guys were at 70+ fatigue when the knights sallied forth... of course your death mage using up all of his gems on the 20 PD of the castle was also huge. next time give him only enough to cast darkness and give the rest to a commander who cant cast spells.

Good luck in your next game. You were a worthy opponent.

[Rytek]

Hmm, we may be in trouble. The armies of man stumbled upon a small army from Mictlin (150 or so) and mostly killed it... hah, well, Mictlin gained the province because he had 1 guy left when my guy auto-routed from the turn limit. In any case wipe over 100 Jaguar/eagle warriors and check out his army graph---it went up! Not to mention this turn I found out there are no more Air queens available-- guess who has those as well? UGH.

[Zachariah]

For the holidays, I will be putting this game on quickhost, no 48 hour timer, till the end of the new years week (1/4/08), since a lot of folk will be absent, including myself, for some of that time.

[jimkehn]

Ubercat......I'm cancelling my subscription, if you don't start delivering the paper!!!!

[archaeolept]

heh zach - that was only two turns notice ;p

its ok - we didn't actually have a NAP - but I held off on raiding you this turn because you thought we had one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

3 vs 1... hardly seems fair... and me a domIII nub http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Ubercat]

jimkehn said:
Ubercat......I'm cancelling my subscription, if you don't start delivering the paper!!!!



Bwaahaha! Sorry. I gave up because it was like shooting fish in a barrel. I'll get a new edition out tonight.

-Ubercat

[jimkehn]

HAHA!!

I guess it doesn't matter now, that Agartha has been embarrassed by Man. But still, your news reports were fun, even if they weren't quite......unbiased.

8^)

[Ubercat]

From the Newsdesk

I want to start by apologising for the spottiness of our news updates. The recent war has caused a lot of disruption around here.

As of now, the Ulmish siege of Jotunheim has been broken. Apparently the giants grew tired of eating magical broth and decided that Ulmsmen would make a welcome change. They sortied out and crushed the enemy army. At the same time, their other force moved in and retook some land from the invaders.

Currently Ulm appears to have scraped together a backup army and we're waiting to see where the next battle will take place. One thing seems certain. If Ulm loses this one, they will have nothing left sufficient to keep Jotunheim from returning the invasion favor.

As for the wars innocent victims, a great many Ulmish civilians appear to be suffering greatly from Jotunheims magic retaliation. We've learned that the UCDO has created a new alarm specifically to warn of falling toads. It sounds like a triple croak followed by a sort of grunting noise.

Reports indicate that falling toads are so damaging when they die, that some desperate people are attempting to keep them alive so as to minimize the disease spread! One of our reporters claims that he's witnessed an experimental program to lure as many toads away from population centers as possible. It's hard to credit, but he says that he saw a battalion of Ulms finest croaking and hopping towards some nearby woods. They were trying to get recently fallen toads to follow them away from an important town.

It sounds funny but it's hard to blame them. The airborne toads have caused so much economic harm that, despite still holding great swathes of Jotunheims territory, Ulms GDP has fallen below the giants.

Well, that's it for this edition. We will update you with the news that you need to know, when there is news that you need to know.

J. Jonah Jesterson - Editor in Chief

[Tequilich]

I will not be able to do a turn until next friday night. I am going to be out of town and can not find my game CD to copy it onto my labtop. Sorry

[Zachariah]

oops i guess miscounted.
...and seeing as you're mostly in the lead at this point, its only proper that we gang up on you now.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

you're doing pretty well for a n00b!

[archaeolept]

;p

yah, its ok - like i said, we didn't even actually have a NAP - it just worked out that, since we didn't start out fighting, we had good relations. np on attacking me now, it's understandable http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Folket]

I find it very unfair to call archaeolept a new player. He has played plenty of dom2 and is well known to win his games.

[archaeolept]

lol sorry, it was tongue in cheek - i'm new to domIII, but not exactly a nub http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

edit: hey, troll moose riders - i've never actually encountered them before - they're recruited at a site i take it?

[Ubercat]

The turn processes right after the last player submits his turn. This means that the last player can take a double turn, which is not only fun, but speeds the game up a little too.

-Ubercat

[Ubercat]

archaeolept said:
lol sorry, it was tongue in cheek - i'm new to domIII, but not exactly a nub http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

edit: hey, troll moose riders - i've never actually encountered them before - they're recruited at a site i take it?



I've only seen them as a result of summoning a Troll King. He comes with 2(?) moose riders as well as some war trolls and regular trolls. It would be cool to find a site where they're available.

-Ubercat

[archaeolept]

ah - i've never summoned a troll king in DomIII - see, I am a nub http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Rytek]

Proving that you are not a nub! Trolls are such a waste of gems I am ashamed using them against you. Troll moose knights do look cool though.:P

[archaeolept]

troll court isn't that bad - you get a kick-*** E3 mage. I'd summon one if i had any earth gems http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Rytek]

Pfft. You can have one of mine in exchange for one of the air queens.

[archaeolept]

Machaka is down to one sieged castle... i have the feeling he's given up the ghost on this one - i think we'll be waiting a long time for him to submit a turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Jazzepi]

Can we go back to a hosting timer, now?

Jazzepi

[archaeolept]

actually, given the size of the war, and that we're getting close to the late game, i'd love a little bit more slack on the turns... maybe have the timer be at 60 instead of 48? Just makes the pacing less hectic given the number of units we're getting now... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Rytek]

I would be ok with 60 hours for you archaeolept. Hopefully MrT can help solve that problem with the huge number of units that you have! Happy new years.

[archaeolept]

your king of deeper earth held the field http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

good fight

[Rytek]

Ouch. Well, thats it, I don't see a way to stop Mictlin. That cost me over 400 gems worth. 2 Troll kings, 2 Sea troll kings, 1 Ivy king all of their equipment lost.I would like to see that fight again with the stupid witch I had cloud trapezing in to cast mist warriors. I switched her armor at the last moment and forgot to order her to trapeze again. Mist warriors may have given the SC's the time they needed to kill your army.Very nicely done. I looked at the turn very quickly-- I have to go back and see how you surrounded the province. I didnt think you had the means to do it.

It so irritates me when the ai doesnt pick the right guy to buff. Notice how my sea troll kings cast quickness on every other troop accept the Troll kings and Ivy kings? I even placed them up front and away from anything else so that they would buff each other. Sigh...Battle plans never survive meeting the enemy.

[Tequilich]

yeah Mictlan may have won it. there is nothing I can do to help Man. Atlantis is on the defensive.

[archaeolept]

in casting buffs, they usually cast it on the largest number of units, maybe the largest number of HP.

Mist warriors wouldn't have done all that much good, as any penetrating hit from the sacreds' F9 fire attack would have dispelled it. would have slowed down the carnage a bit though.

OTOH, my guy didn't cast will of the fates - he must have blown an extra pearl on something else http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

it was an epic battle, and amazing how that bastard earth king got paralyzed and crippled at just the right times so that he held the field.

As to surrounding... yah, that was a bit of an error on your part - you should have patrolled your castle w/ your titan or the earth king - however, few of your troops actually ran off, so it didn't cost you as much as it could have.

[Rytek]

Well, at least the earth king played his part to a T. I figured his high hits would make him target of all your nasty spells and his high MR allowed him to shrug em off.

[archaeolept]

oh yeah, he took a licking and kept on ticking.

[Jazzepi]

This game needs to be put back onto a timer.

Jazzepi

[Lingchih]

Agreed. I am not in this game anymore, but I am in several other of Zach's games. If they are not put on a timer soon, then they just should be shut down.

[Zachariah]

ok, i'm back: switching to 48 hour timer again.

[Ubercat]

Well, unfortunately I have to leave town for two weeks. Jotunheim is going AI. You're lucky, Ulm! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

-Ubercat

[Tequilich]

With Ubercat going AI and Mictlan being unstoppable I vote for giving Micltan the win.

[Jazzepi]

Tequilich said:
With Ubercat going AI and Mictlan being unstoppable I vote for giving Micltan the win.



There are other people still playing. The only thing that would make me give up the ghost would be Man staling again, which would be a pretty sure indication that they've given up.

JAzzepi

[archaeolept]

yah... i hope he was just feeling down for that one turn... his northern front is in a hard way, and needs his attentions.

[Rytek]

I did my turn but forgot to reconnect to the server on both of Zachs game. Needless to say the stales have really hurt.

[archaeolept]

sadly, Man has gone AI. Ermor as well, but that was to be expected. I am probably unstoppable, but Atlantis is still strong, and if the other players wish to join up with him, there could still be a good fight http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Jazzepi]

Meh. With man dead I'm done. GG guys. I learned a lot about communions. I probably could have ended the war with Manchaka a lot earlier if I hadn't lost like 20 mages in the process of learning how to use communions properly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Jazzepi

[archaeolept]

heh communions are a mysterious thing... I developed a perfect flying communion w/ mictlan here; happy to have found that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Tequilich]

I cant touch Mictlan on land and everyone went AI so congrats on the win!

[archaeolept]

too bad... i was just getting my war machine in gear... you sure you guys don't want to try some defense? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

though we haven't heard folket's position on it

gg though

[Ubercat]

Indeed, congratulations. My plans fell through for now, so I'm back home for a bit. It's too late to reverse my AIhood.

-Ubercat

[Zachariah]

yah, i was pounded by mictlan. i'll leave the server up for now, if you wanna duke it out for a bit.

[archaeolept]

ah well, that was embarrassing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

killed my pretender due to my pure stupidity - not the greatest way to end it ;p

w/ arcos gone AI, there isn't even the prospect of a good fight - just me rolling over AI MAN and Arcos and their gems...

[Folket]

Well done Archaeolept.

[archaeolept]

thanks folket... if anyone wants to scope out my empire, password is "snark"

it's pretty sick... i'd be starting tartarians now.
50% off demi-liches, 20% off tartarians, kitted up w/ 20% off forged items... and the chalice of course http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif