Haste

[Tequilich]

Howdy
Haste increases your movement in battle but I do not see any stat changes on my troops after the spell is cast. Is it bugged or what am I missing? Thanks.

[quantum_mechani]

Each movement point moves you twice as far, as I recall. Still not a very useful spell though.

[Jazzepi]

Rain reduces the heat aura by 3, and it's not represented in the units stats.

Jazzepi

[Tequilich]

Oh ok. So it does increase their movement its just not respresented in the stats?

[Jazzepi]

No idea! I would try to pay attention to the units that have the haste on them, and similar units that do not.

I was just trying to give an example where the change is not represented in the stats of the unit.

Jazzepi

[vfb]

It's the same with "Boots of Long Strides". No change in the unit stats, but you can move further each turn in battle.

[Kristoffer O]

It reduces movement cost by half. An increase in action points would give units more actions as well (i.e. quickness). Thus the current solution.

It can be useful when you have somewhat vulnerable units that are strong on the offensive. F9D9 Jaguar warriors come to mind. Also fun to have when you mop up routing units.

[Meglobob]

Cavalry or any other units with lances will benefit from haste as well. Alot of cavalry can nearly charge across most of the battlefield, with haste they can charge across all the battlefield. Inflicting alot of quick damage.

[Sir_Dr_D]

WOuldn't haste also work great with tramplers?

[Jazzepi]

Sir_Dr_D said:
WOuldn't haste also work great with tramplers?



It's great with Pangea's minotaurs.

Jazzepi

[Tequilich]

Thanks for the info guys! Haste is the only useful buff I can cast right now on my Steel Warriors since I went straight for Enchantment 4 in a mp game.

[vfb]

No S3 caster, right? Antimagic is nice.

[Tequilich]

yeah I went for the flaming arrows and antimagic. The haste question was for my shamans.

[Taqwus]

I once had a Tartarian with Stymphalian Wings and Heroic Quickness. It's not necessarily a -great- combination, in terms of optimization, but it's funny from a warped POV to see a Tartarian fly, land near a crowd, and start stomping on 'em.

[Ironhawk]

Sir_Dr_D said:
WOuldn't haste also work great with tramplers?



Never thought of that. Seems like a great idea. Do you run into fatigue problems when you use hasted trample?

[Ewierl]

Meglobob said:
Cavalry or any other units with lances will benefit from haste as well. Alot of cavalry can nearly charge across most of the battlefield, with haste they can charge across all the battlefield. Inflicting alot of quick damage.



I also find it occasionally useful for fortress-storming; it can help your troops rush through the narrow gates first and avoid a bottleneck.

[Meglobob]

Ironhawk said:

Sir_Dr_D said:
WOuldn't haste also work great with tramplers?



Never thought of that. Seems like a great idea. Do you run into fatigue problems when you use hasted trample?



Tramplers get lots of fatigue anyway. So you may as well just try to trample everything real quick before fatigue becomes a issue.

[jimkehn]

I think it may actually help tramplers, as the spell reduces movement points per terrain. They would spend half the MP's to cover the same amount of ground.

[NTJedi]

jimkehn said:
I think it may actually help tramplers, as the spell reduces movement points per terrain. They would spend half the MP's to cover the same amount of ground.



But does each trample attack cause fatigue?
If trample attacks don't cause fatigue then it's definitely better.

[jimkehn]

I'm sure they do, but no more than before the Haste??? So half mp cost = half fatigue, plus full trample fatigue is still less fatigue than full mp=full fatigue, plus full trample fatigue???? If that makes sense?

[Ironhawk]

I doubt that the fatigue is calculated according to MP, jimkehn. Its more likely that its calculated on a per-attack basis which would mean that your tramplers would wear out super fast. Needs testing.

[jimkehn]

Ironhawk, the MP's I was referring to were the mp's the tramplers spent crossing terrain on the battlefield before the get ta tramplin. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought spending MP's just moving raised fatigue.

[Ewierl]

Ironhawk said:
I doubt that the fatigue is calculated according to MP, jimkehn. Its more likely that its calculated on a per-attack basis which would mean that your tramplers would wear out super fast. Needs testing.



Even if so, Haste is still useful. Your attacks/fatigue ratio is the same, but you get the same number of attacks in more quickly, before you get swarmed in return.

[jimkehn]

True