War of Dominion - Early Ages (Game Over)

[Argitoth]

: ano (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=9647&Number=574838&Board =d3maars&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5& o=&fpart=all&vc=1) :
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/dom/lanka.png/threads/images/Graemlins/icon09.gif

: Argitoth (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=4423&Number=574750&Board =d3maars&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5& o=&fpart=all&vc=1) :
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/dom/ctis.pnghttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

: Nikolai (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=9965&Number=574790&Board =d3maars&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5& o=&fpart=all&vc=1) :
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/dom/tirnanog.pnghttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

: meister_miagi (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=10396&Number=574786&Boar d=d3maars&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 &o=&fpart=all&vc=1) :
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/dom/agartha.pnghttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

: Janlm (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=9981&Number=574818&Board =d3maars&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5& o=&fpart=all&vc=1) :
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/dom/rlyeh.pnghttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

: Sivoc (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=10140&Number=574825&Boar d=d3maars&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 &o=&fpart=all&vc=1) :
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/dom/atlantis.png/threads/images/Graemlins/icon13.gif

: Nihil (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=10163&Number=574824&Boar d=d3maars&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 &o=&fpart=all&vc=1) :
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/dom/ermor.png/threads/images/Graemlins/icon13.gif

: Hiker (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=10406&Number=574832&Boar d=d3maars&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 &o=&fpart=all&vc=1) :
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/dom/yomi.png/threads/images/Graemlins/icon13.gif

: Lebarjack (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=6173&Number=574812&Board =d3maars&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5& o=&fpart=all&vc=1) :
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/dom/abysia.pnghttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif

: fictionfan (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=10452&Number=577152&Boar d=d3maars&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 &o=&fpart=all&vc=1) :
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/dom/niefelheim.pnghttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif

: Bananadine (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=10293&Number=574764&Boar d=d3maars&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 &o=&fpart=all&vc=1) :
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/dom/mictlan.pnghttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif

: Revolution (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=10357&Number=574782&Boar d=d3maars&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 &o=&fpart=all&vc=1) :
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/dom/arcoscephale.pnghttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif

[Bananadine]

Open huh? Can I be Mictlan?

[Argitoth]

Yes, why not? No restrictions.

[Revolution]

I'll take arco

[meister_miagi]

Hi, I'd like to play as Agartha!

[Nikolai]

Tir Na Nog! Fear me 'cause you can't see me!

[lebarjack]

Hi, I will take Abysia! Fear me 'cause I can roast you!

[Janlm]

i'll try r'lyeh

[Nihil]

Hi, I'd like to join playing Ermor.

[Sivoc]

let me try atlantis

[Hiker]

Hello, I would like to try Yomi please.

[ano]

What map are you going to play at?
I sign up as Lanka.

Another question: will hosting become more rare at late stages of the game?

[Argitoth]

Map will be large random. Host will only pause on request. Other than that there will be a strict 24 hour period. The max time I will pause the game is 3 24 hour periods.

[Bananadine]

I haven't played in a non-Llamaserver game yet, so tell me if this is right: I connected to your server and apparently added my god for Mictlan. The text next to Mictlan changed from "open" to "human controlled" or whatever. Am I done until the game starts?

[ano]

One more question to host: will I be able to retrieve .trn files to local computer or they are stored at server indefinitely?
Just to clear the game procedure...

[Argitoth]

Bananadine said: Am I done until the game starts?


You're done till the game starts

ano said:
Will I be able to retrieve .trn files to local computer or they are stored at server indefinitely?


Not sure how the dominions file system works, however I know it does work so I don't know why you'd need special care.

[meister_miagi]

Looks like everyone's in now!

[Bananadine]

It occurs to me also that I'm used to being notified of turn advancements and deadlines by Llamaserver. How does that work in this type of game?

[Argitoth]

There won't be a notification unless it's possible to set one up with servers.

[Nikolai]

> > Will I be able to retrieve .trn files to local computer or they are stored at server indefinitely?
>
> Not sure how the dominions file system works, however I know it does work so I don't know why you'd need special care.

Best way to work it:

1. Connect to server. You get told what nation you have on your drive for that game.
2. Confirm nation. You are asked for password.
3. Type password. See 'Receiving turn file' message. End up at screen showing all nations, with info about deadline.
4. GET OUT. Do NOT enter map.
5. Once safely disconnected from server, choose 'Play an Existing Game'. Type your password, take your turn, revise it as many times you wish. At this point, server does not know about this.
6. Once you like your turn, connect to server again, type password, see "Uploading turn", you're done.
7. You can still connect and revise your turn, until server hosts.

By the way, each new turn overwrites old turn. If you want record of all your game, you have to save .trn and .2h files before uploading on server.

(I know my English sucks, but I'm too old to bother or let it bother me)

[Argitoth]

Oh, now I know what was asked.

Yeah, all you do is login to download. You CAN ENTER THE MAP! Nikolai. You just don't want to press "E" you want to press "options --> quit without saving" or whatever.

[Bananadine]

Hmm, I seem to have the Worthy Heroes mod loaded for another game I am playing. Does this affect this game? Should I unload it or something? It's odd that the mod's activation status seems to be associated with my Dominions installation, rather than with any particular game.

So many questions new players have!

[Argitoth]

uhhhhhhhhhhh...................


does the mod change anything about the pretender creation process?

you should upload a new pretender just to be safe, however, I'm not going to wait for you so if you don't upload a new pretender on time we'll just have to see what happenes.

[ano]

Is the game started? I didn't see any changes at the server and now it seems to be down.
Do I misunderstand something?

[Bananadine]

Argitoth said:
uhhhhhhhhhhh...................


does the mod change anything about the pretender creation process?

you should upload a new pretender just to be safe, however, I'm not going to wait for you so if you don't upload a new pretender on time we'll just have to see what happenes.



I think it is a pretty simple mod and it should pose no danger except possibly when I am actually taking my turns. I think it very likely that my pretender is fine, but I thought I'd make sure by asking. But... do I have to manually deactivate the mod before I take a turn, and then reactivate it before I take a turn in the other game? That would be lame! Does anybody know about this?

[thejeff]

When you choose a mod it is active for game or pretender creation. After a game has been created, it will always try to load the mods it was started with.

So, no. There's no need to turn mods on and off when taking turns. As long as you have them installed everything will work fine.

The only potential problem is if you have a mod turned when you create your pretender that actually changes the pretender you make. It's safest to have all the game's mods, and no others, on when making a pretender.

[Argitoth]

ano said:
Is the game started? I didn't see any changes at the server and now it seems to be down.
Do I misunderstand something?



be patient! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Revolution]

Argitoth said:
Oh, now I know what was asked.

Yeah, all you do is login to download. You CAN ENTER THE MAP! Nikolai. You just don't want to press "E" you want to press "options --> quit without saving" or whatever.



Why is it a bad idea to simply do your turn on the server?

[Sivoc]

I can't find any reason why it should be a bad idea.
But it is always nice to have a trn file of a particular battle or maybe an enemy SC.

[Ironhawk]

Its not bad to do it on the server but there is a slight element of risk. The problem occurs when you are the last player out (or near last) - if you accidentally hit end turn, your turn will automatically be submitted. If you just happen to be the last player there is no way to correct this. You are screwed. Even if you are near last, others can complete before you do and you may become last and not know it.

Generally, what people will do is connect to the server to get their turn then immediately disconnect. Play the turn offline (where you can end turn all you like, accidentally or not) and then connect to the server once the turn is complete.


P.S.
Sivoc, you need a less annoying avatar pic

[ano]

One more thing. I wonder what is master password in such a game for?

[llamabeast]

The master password works in place of any of the players' passwords. It's useful if a player disappears, so they can be set to AI without knowing their password.

Argitoth, any chance you could change the thread title to something a bit more specific (e.g. the game name)? It keeps on confusing me.

[Argitoth]

Tell me exactly what name you would like me to use because Dominion "is" the name of the server. I don't know what you want. However, you should bookmark this thread.

[Janlm]

he wants you to give this game some kind of nickname, like the other games got, it dosn't matter what it is..

[llamabeast]

Yeah, it doesn't really matter, but the obvious thing to use would be "War of Dominion - Early Ages: Noobie Game (started)".

[Nikolai]

Well guys, I think I am beaten before starting.

I have five neighbors. Two have 5+ elephants, other three have 20+ heavy horse each, and assorted infantry. I got hit with two unrests on turn 2... and it will take me two-three turns to break out.

I think I'll go AI soon. There is no point unless I get some luck my way.

[Argitoth]

Nikolai, are you a noobie? Not trying to be rude, just asking.

[Janlm]

hehe, isn't this supposed to be a noob game?

[Hiker]

oh stay in. You will have more braggin rights if ya win!

[Argitoth]

Janlm said:
hehe, isn't this supposed to be a noob game?


Yeah, but for example people don't like to follow the rules, like me. I am a veteran dominions player and so I did not follow the rules of "noobs only"

Nikolai, to deal with your elephant infestation, you have to use your brain a little more.

-Armor doesn't help much against elephants. Recruit a large army of cheap units.
-Elephants have low armor. They are easily killed by lots of small units.
-Independent armies with elephants should have a small force. If you have fast-moving units, recruit them, put them at the front left and set to attack rearmost. Units don't even have to be fast sometimes.
-Archers should be set to fire at archers.

[llamabeast]

You started a newbie game for you to be in and you're not even a newbie? That's, er, unusual.

[lebarjack]

Well, I am not really a newbie too. Or at least I was not two years ago, when I was playing Dominion 2.
Considering how Vanheim slaughtered my poor Pythium troops in my last & first dom3 multiplayer game, I guess I deserve to be a newbie again ^^

[Argitoth]

Nikolai, I didn't mean to be rude when I said "use your brain a little more." I was just saying that as a general statement, everyone needs to use their brain a little more when trying to overcome problems like this.

llamabeast, I started the server for my friend who has never played Dominions. I'm here to help him out.

[Bananadine]

I guess I should mention that I'm actually a scorpion man. I promise not to look at any mountains though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Argitoth]

That made absolutely no sense to me, Bananadie.

[lebarjack]

That's strange. Every body seem to have played his turn but the hosting doesn't start. Wasn't the server set on quickhost?

[Argitoth]

Yeah, it *was* on quickhost, but... meh, the way I do hosting is very random right now. Sometimes I like quickhost, sometimes I don't. I'll just send PMs to announce new turns when needed.

[ano]

Especially I think it would be better in any respect if hosting was done in the same way all the time.

[Argitoth]

Sorry Ano, can't do that just yet due to my computer getting shut down unexpectedly sometimes. I sometimes can't remember how many hours were left so then I just turn on quickhost and turn off the timer.

[Sivoc]

is the server down, cause I can't seem to connect to it ?

[ano]

It seems so. I can't as well

[Argitoth]

I will not let this happen again. If someone needs more time they have to tell me how much. In Janlm's case, he told me how much time he needed, but decided not to take his turn when that time came. This is unacceptable game etiquette.

3 hours left to host.

In case server is down, from now on the rule is to report on the forum so I know you didn't just decide to hold up the game for everyone else.

[Argitoth]

Ok, actually I'll turn on quickhost for now. But let this be a warning. I'll make sure each person knows the new rules.

[Sivoc]

I know janlm, and I'm quite sure that he didn't do it on purpose.

For all we know, he might actually have been trying to do his turn.

[Janlm]

eh yes, i had some problems with my Internet last night, i've taken care of my turn now, thanks for waiting, and sorry for the trouble.

[Revolution]

Heavy cavalry appears to be the bane of the great Arcoscephaleian armies...Unfortunatly we have not quite mastered the fine art of disconnecting horse from chariot to form our own cavalry force. 3 chariots were burned (as well as the attached horses) as a result of my overwhelming rage.

[Argitoth]

Just something to keep in mind, the 36 hour hosting is not meant to give you 36 hours to take a turn. The reason it's 36 and not 48 is because if you take a turn at 5pm and think "oh, I have 24 hours to take a turn, I'll take it again at 5pm" guess what happenes? You've missed your turn because 5pm to 5pm is 24 hours. If I set hosting to 36 hours that means you have till 5am to take your turn again. That 12 hour window is so that you don't have to wake up in the middle of the night to take a turn.

[Argitoth]

I'm turning off the timer permanently. There's so many complications with having a timer. Say I restart my computer and there's 5 hours left to hosting. That means I have to set it to host in 5 hours and then wake up on time to set it to host in 36 hours, or it will host again in 5 hours.

I could, however, set the timer at certain times of day, but then guess what happenes? If quickhost is on and someone takes a turn at midnight and I set the timer to host at 1am, then it will host twice in one hour.

From now on, only quickhost will be on and I'll keep track of hosting times some other way.

[lebarjack]

The server is down?
I cannot connect to it now...

[Argitoth]

Server should be fine. Maybe my internet went out for a second.

[lebarjack]

It was probably fine, my mistake...
I wasn't connecting to the good IP.

[Argitoth]

Timer is off, quickhost is on. For some reason Nihil hasn't taken his turn. Game will pause for 18 hours until further notice.

[Argitoth]

Game has resumed!

[Nikolai]

> Unfortunatly we have not quite mastered the fine art of
> disconnecting horse from chariot to form our own cavalry
> force.

Speaking as nation in which only greatest warriors know how to stay on horse while engages in combat, we commiserate. We have invested heavily into researching highly technical 'stirup device' but no progress so far. Some young whipper snappers suggest we just copy it from heavy cavalry's lancers, but what they know?

[Revolution]

Agarthan Troglodyte forces have sacked an outlying Arcoscephalian province! An unprovoked attack such as this is inexcusable... as I speak the Arcoscephalian armies are gearing up for war...my battle mages will turn the ground beneath your armies to ash while my Jade Lizards feast on the still smoldering flesh.

...My nation's Philosophers suggest that your people are an abomination, a half fish half human blight that is merely the result of evolution gone wrong. Arcoscephale invites any nation to join us in our pursuit of ridding the world of your evil.

[lebarjack]

Agarthan people are abominations. Our spies report they are now trying to crossbreed elephants with fishes... The sage from the smouldercone cannot let this vileness happen.

We are glad to help Arcoscephale stopping the treacherous Dr.Doom plans!

[Argitoth]

Jotunheim is taking a beating from Mictlan and Lanka. They think that Jotunheim can easily be defeated with brute force. There are a few surprises that await them. I will make sure of this.

I want those nations dead, you see. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

[meister_miagi]

Beware the elephant-fish! We only trying to reach the ocean, you see. All this dry land is drying our skin. No harm done, right? Dr.Doom will gladly meet your delegates to discuss this matter in his underground lair http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/firedevil.gif.
I haven't even met any Jotun forces yet so I don't see why you would want to see us dead http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif. But no matter, we will await your surprises!

[Argitoth]

OH! FRIK! Sorry, edited my post. Not Agartha, I meant LANKA!!!!!

[ano]

What do you have to say against Lanka? Actually the phrase "Jotunheim is taking a beating" is highly incorrect. If you know the situation, you should not say so, because monkeys' losses are MUCH MORE significant. And from this game I've learned well that Niefel is too much unbalanced race. However, we won't argue.

[Argitoth]

Ano, don't complain about balance. Take it as a challenge, because it's impossible to balance any game well enough. A lot about Dominions is luck and unseen strategies and advantages. A lot of the balance comes from things you might not be noticing or taking advantage of. It's 2v1 right now, Lanka vs Jotunheim vs Mictlan. You can't complain about balance. Maybe you should have formed an alliance before attacking someone. Dominions is more than a number game if you know what I mean. Use your head, see the weaknesses in enemies.

Personally, I think Jotunheim is not unbalanced at all. Just because you lose in one battle doesn't mean all of a sudden Jotunheim is unbalanced.

[ano]

Well, almost all of what you just said is false, but I really don't want to argue.

[Argitoth]

Ok, so then you must be right. Jotunheim is unbalanced and this game is all about numbers.

[Revolution]

Argitoth is the server going to 3.14?

Also that ^ conversation could take place at several other venues where it could be a interesting and thoughtful discussion. In this thread, in this game, after losing a fight or two to someone; complaining about balance is a cop out and pretty lame in general.

Keep it light, everyone knows what happens when stick wielding monkeys fling their poo at house sized giants.

[ano]

Hm...
Well, Revolution, I just said what I thought and experienced and I always tend to do so. I don't know where you saw complains or something like that. Everyone sees just what he wants or expects to see, don't you know?)
And I mentioned twice that I don't want to argue on any point and won't do it just because there is absolutely no sense of it. You said about your lacking chariots, I said about overpowered Niefel. Can you see the difference?;-)
And that is the last thing I say on that issue at least until the game ends.

[Argitoth]

Revolution said:
Argitoth is the server going to 3.14?



announcement will be made when I update the server.

[Revolution]

Arcoscephale is looking to aquire some death gems. I'll trade gems of any other kind (except for blood) for them on a 1-1 basis.

Oh yes and...

DEATH TO AGARTHA, DESTROY THE MANFISHELEPHANTS!

[Janlm]

hmm, manfishelephants... do they come by mailorder?

[Hiker]

sorry for the stall, lost internet connection from the snow storm.

[Argitoth]

Ah, no problem.

[ano]

I'd like to ask to increase the hosting interval to 48 hours starting from the next week. The game begins to require much more time than at the early stages.
Please, tell your opinions. Thanks.

[Argitoth]

LOL! Ano, you're so selfish. You want all the provinces AND more time to take your turns. Good thing Jotunheim is around the corner http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

I don't want this game to slow down just yet with 48-hour hosting. Request a pause instead and I'll just switch off the timer. If there's enough people that want 48 hour hosting, I'll consider it.

[Revolution]

I'm pretty happy with the 24hr hosting for another couple weeks I think

[ano]

Argitoth said:
If there's enough people that want 48 hour hosting, I'll consider it.


Actually that was the issue. If no one is with me, let it be so. And I don't think there is enough reason to call me selfish.

[Nikolai]

I was under impression that in this forum, casting battlefield enchantment and retreating mage to leave enchantment working and unstoppable is considered abusing a bug.

Thread's first post was edited, and I do not remember whether this rule was stated. I had it used against me, so, do we allow it? I will be upfront, if we allow it, I will use ANY bug I know of. Including mists of deception + wrathful sky, which is unbeatable, and forging without gems. I would like game stopped until I get answer, but it is up to host.

[Lingchih]

Forging without gems? I don't know that one. How do you do it (just out of curiosity)?

[Don_Seba]

Yeah, do tell. I though this was was removed in Dominions II. I did see something about it on the AG forums, but my Russian is probably worse than that of someone named Nikolai :-)

Client hacking again?

[Argitoth]

Is someone abusing bugs? That is not allowed.

[ano]

Please refer to the bug shortlist. I don't know what is forging without gems or something like that but when I call something a bug I refer to the link above. If the issue is in this list (or int the list in the bug discussion thread) then I consider it a bug. "Mists of deception - wrathful skies" bug you speak of is present there but just casting and retreating is not because it is not a bug, but WAD and I've read several discussions about this all of them saying the same. Battlefield enchantment ends _ONLY_ if the casting mage dies. If he retreats or teleports home, it stays in power until all the friendly units are dead. It is expected behavior, no matter you like it or not. And the bug with mists of deceptions _IS_ a bug, because that spell continues summoning units while another battlefield enchantment stays in power and these 2 enchantments support each other to an end and nothing can be done.
As for forging without gems it would be more honest of you not to threaten others with using it but to write about it to the corresponding thread..

Update: Hm, I recently found the issue in the shortlist. You are right and I am not. Really, I never thought it is considered a bug and didn't notice it before.

[ano]

I admit I was mistaken and won't do it again. ...However, in this case i could just cast protection on the casting (expendable) mage and defend him with some units.

[Janlm]

yeah, Nikolai... its not cool making threats like that, I certainly hope our host will put you to ai at once if you make good of any such threats, no matter what else might have happened.

[Revolution]

Ano admits he made a mistake and we should be able to continue without issue from here out. However I think that it should be taken off of the timed hosting until nikolai takes his turn since he was waiting for this issue to be resolved and it would be pretty rough for him if he ends up with a staled turn because of it.

[ano]

I believe that Argigoth has turned off the quickhost. He should have done so. Timer doesn't matter if quickhost is off.

[Janlm]

Nikolai can just take his turn, can't see why we should wait because he decides to act up.

[ano]

Because he asked for a delay in his post.

I would like game stopped until I get answer

[Janlm]

I have extremely little patience to people that would threaten the game that i play like he did...

[Nikolai]

> However, in this case i could just cast protection on the casting (expendable) mage and defend him with some units.

My heavy cavalry went through where your mage was two turns later. Instead of enchantment ended with her death, I take 11 more turns of mopping up crap, and instead of clean massacre, it was almost a tie.

Lets not forget that if it had worked, I would have lost ALL my army, pretender, prophet, etc... It was game ending (for me) fight, and you used shortlisted bug. I am new here, and I knew about. Since I have been here, there have been two long discussions about this.

> I have extremely little patience to people that would threaten the game that i play like he did...

Glad to see you have big patience for people who use bugs in crucial battle. Well, this last turn went fine for me and Tir na Nog - no losses, busted temple, killed a lot of troops... But I am switching to AI. Caught red handed, he appologize, and I am [censored] for thinking that once abuse is forgiven, all abuse goes. I will not ruin your game. Have fun.

By the way, on gems hack - it modifies client, it allows orders that server does not check, and if you have no gems to cover some actions, it will execute anyway. Yes, it is Russian. No, I am not.

[Revolution]

This is a noob game and he made a noobie mistake. I hope you reconsider going ai nikolai.

[ano]

Nikolai, just think about simple thing: if I wasn't going to retreat with my mage, could I leave her unprotected at the bottom edge of battlefield at the side where (as I supposed) you cavalry was positioned? If I wasn't going to retreat, I would leave her in a group of sacreds, warded to stay alive long enough. But I definitely don't want to speak about _what could have been_ etc. I always used "cast and retreat" tactic and never thought it is considered a bug (I described my reasons and comparison with "mists of deception and wrathful skies" exploit above). I am sorry for that mistake, but believe me, it changed nothing in the battle result.
I will not calm you any more, because I already said all I could and had to say.

[Argitoth]

Ano (Lanka) requests a pause till Saturday 12:00 GMT

[Nikolai]

You know, I now believe Ano did not think it was abuse. I overreacted, because I thought it was deliberate, but after reading threads, it is clear that this is considered abuse since not long, so Ano just did not know of change.

Still, bad taste from this whole thing.

[Nihil]

Come on! lets calm down and try to have fun, after all that is why we are in a noobie game, there are things we might not know, Ano just made a mistake an Nikolai just pointed out other things that could be done, end of the story. I have learned a couple of things I didnt know before this problem so i am happy with it :-)

[Argitoth]

Nihil, you are so going down on my hitlist.

*writes Ermor on Hitlist*

[ano]

Actually I've done my turn already. Things went better than I expected.

[Argitoth]

My turn got reset, dunno why. Dominions must be buggy. I'll take it ASAP. However, I don't have time to right now.

[Nikolai]

I cannot connect again... It's the damn "Getting game info" for ever. Tonight I'll try 50 times in row.

[vfb]

This is a problem that has popped up before in several network games.

You can try playing windowed instead of full screen. Start the game and connect, and get stuck on "Getting game info".

Do not close the window!

Start another instance of the game in a new window. This new instance of the game should connect okay.

[Nikolai]

This worked, thanks!

It seems to be computer related. I always get it from my own, but when I take my turn from nephew house, it always works. Could it be from different keys for some player?

[Revolution]

Some C'tis chariot merchants seem to have gotten lost and found their way into my land. I'm sorry to say that I already have chariots of my own and am not interested in buying...I suggest you try to sell your chariots to someone else.

[Argitoth]

Oh, mr. Archoscephale, sorry about that. You're going to laugh when you hear my excuse. Well, one of my Shamans took a heavy blow to the head during a battle with Yomi. He lost the ability to cast spells so I told him to take a few chariots and attack something. His feeblemind couldn't tell the difference between a black flag and a blue flag.

I hope you die at the hands of Niefelheim's giants! As soon as I'm done with Yomi, I'm coming for you.

In other news, Atlantis is quite the splinter in my side. He keeps going in and out of the sea, too afraid of my great forces to stay on land for tool long.

[ano]

That all sounds nice, folks, but who will deal with Ermor?.. It seems I understand now how Ermorian legions conquered the world while other nations were fighting each other.

[Argitoth]

I don't know, he's not my responsibility. There's too many other nations in the way for me to go after him. The people surrounding Ermor is just not doing their job it seems.

[ano]

They should, they should...

[Nihil]

Dealing with me? What have I done to you? I have very good relations with all my neighbours... well... nearly all. I am sure we two would also get along pretty well :-)

You should come to visit me ;-b

[ano]

Nihil said:
Dealing with me? What have I done to you? I have very good relations with all my neighbours... well... nearly all. I am sure we two would also get along pretty well :-)


Hm... You did nothing to me yet. But I'm afraid you will.


You should come to visit me ;-b


Well, I think it'll be rather hard. I'd rather see you in my lands.

[Argitoth]

Nihil said:I have very good relations with all my neighbours... well... nearly all.



Hah! Not good relations. Good fear tactics. Your neighbors are foolish horses!

[Nikolai]

This game has become insane. I thought I knew what transpires, well, no. There are too many wars going on, and not the ones I expected.

[Argitoth]

Is anyone finding the initial post of this thread useful for communication? I personally just hate it if you're playing a game and the initial post doesn't have information on who is who.

[Revolution]

Argitoth said:
Is anyone finding the initial post of this thread useful for communication? I personally just hate it if you're playing a game and the initial post doesn't have information on who is who.



Yeah, the flags are a nice touch.

[Argitoth]

The game has been paused until further notice. Nikolai has not submitted a turn and I have heard nothing from him.

[Nikolai]

No need for pause. I knew I would come home in time for turn, and I did. Weekends are not to be wasted, even if you sixty :-)

[Argitoth]

Alright Nikolai. I hope your killing of Lanka is going well because I might need your help soon. I'm the enemy of Arcosephale, Atlantis, Yomi, and R'lyeh.... It seems I've made too many enemies.

A message to R'lyeh: Enjoy your stay... while you are alive. You won't last long on land.

[Sivoc]

guess you got to many "splinters" in your side now?

[Janlm]

fear my atlantian slave troops!

[Nikolai]

My killing on Lanka'd gone better if everyone who talked me had helped. As it is - I am running with diseased and poisoned troops...

[ano]

Do I understand right that the hosting interval has been increased to 18 hours? I am completely agree that it's right time for this but I think it should be indicated here.

[Argitoth]

Nikolai, I have plenty of gems, you just never requested any.

Ano: How did you figure the interval was increased 18 hours? Hosting time hasn't changed, I just can't be bothered to make sure the server hosts at the same amount of time every time.

[ano]

It just seems so... Maybe I am wrong. I'd like to ask once again to increase the turn time to 48 hours starting at least from turn 40. If anyone wants it too, obviously.

[Argitoth]

ill agree to that.

[Nikolai]

Arigtoth, I did not need gems, I just thought that I would besiege his capital where you said it was, and that you would keep attacking Lanka. As is, I ended up fighting over a castle that did not matter, you invaded Arco, and Lanka is doing just great. Instead of short decisive victory, I'm running home, aggressor AND beaten :-(

Bad planning and coordination. Ah well, I hope for better luck next game.

[Argitoth]

Nikolai... ME does not = Jotunheim.

ME = C'tis. However, I do have a lot of influence over Jotunheim. Although I didn't have enough influence to convince him to help you finish Lanka since Lanka requested that Jotunheim stop attacking him. lol.

Nikolai, if you're really having trouble then I really don't want you to lose. You got into this battle mainly because of me and I want to take responsibility. Just let me know how I can help.

[Nikolai]

Oh. my. god. I am an idiot. You can definitely not blamed for me thinking YOU are Jotunheim, and I relying on HIS support.

Just shoot me. This whole game has been a total mess. Yeah, front page says it all, but I always thought the e-mails came from Jotunheim.

[Argitoth]

There's going to be a pause until Abysia can take his turn which will be on Friday in some part of the world...lol

[lebarjack]

I have just taken my turn, and it's 08:48 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Janlm]

I am looking to trade death gems, I can offer an abundance of earth and water gems, as well as nature and fire gems in return. Pm me of you are interested.

[Argitoth]

Janlm, you're a few turns early. First I have to destroy R'lyeh's army and that's going to take all the death gems I have. Sorry.

[Janlm]

so can you trade me death gems after you have destroyed my army? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Argitoth]

Sure!....oh wait... I forgot you were R'lyeh!

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

...if we trade death gems then I want lots of air gems... and you have to stop attacking me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Argitoth]

I haven't kept track of when the last turn was run, but isn't Nikolai a bit overdue with is turn?

[Argitoth]

Janlm, your army was cut down like trees. Wanna trade death gems now?

[ano]

Server seems to be down at the moment. At least I cannot connect.

[Argitoth]

My internet wasn't working. Now it is.

[ano]

...but I still can't connect:)
Upd: Now it works. Thanks.

[Argitoth]

Ok, my internet went down AGAIN and now it's back up.

[Argitoth]

Ano, you know you are really gay. You are attacking Jotunheim after he stopped attacking you... Now Niefelheim will have a quick death.

gayyyyy

The items I am sending niefelheim will surely be stronger than the ones you are using.

[ano]

He didn't stop attacking me and declined a peace treaty which I proposed. Moreover, he would be dead very long ago if you didn't send him artifacts an if I wasn't engaged into a 3-side war. And I don't see any reason why I should explain YOU anything.
So this discussion is over.

[Argitoth]

Ano, I know he DID stop attacking you, right after you asked him to stop in an in-game message. I know all this because I usually help him take his turn. He hasn't attacked you for quite a few turns. Then all of a sudden you send armies.

But whatever, if you want to play like that without any regard to diplomacy, fine. I can't stop you, but I'll sure as hell assist Niefelheim as long as he is alive.

[ano]

That's false. He didn't agree to make a peace treaty and later attacked my undefended province with temple with his scout.
As for diplomacy, I respect all treaties I enter.

[Argitoth]

Alright, ano. I'm glad you respect treaties.

[Argitoth]

Server permanently set to 48 hour hosting.

[Argitoth]

I will now be sending e-mails with subject: "War of Dominion <text>"

You can filter my e-mails more easily.

[Argitoth]

It looks like Turn 37 will produce some skipped turns. 5 hours to hosting.

I haven't recieved any word from R'lyeh about trading death gems. Seems I've embarrased him after destroying his army.

[Hiker]

You should ask your arrogant priests how it feels to banish your own immortal God OUTSIDE of your domain Argitoth. Your lizzies need to evolve to see in the dark...

You underestimate the power of SC's and magic my friend.

May this be a warning to other nations that are aggressive to our food loving demons.

Dont mess with Yomi!

[Janlm]

yes you have, i pm'ed you about it.. And i would hardly call it destroying my army.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Argitoth]

I didn't get any PM.

To Yomi: Your post is far from anything you should be saying right now. "Don't mess with Yomi"? Dood, I've lost this game. You should be saying "Now you're mine."

I've lost. I'm fighting a losing battle from here out. Not because my pretender died, but because now I know you are way more powerful than me. It will take me so many turns to try to counter your SCs. You'll be creating more and even if I do counter them, I'll already be too weak to do anything about the water nations attacking me.

[Hiker]

That statement "Dont mess with Yomi" was mainly for other nations that might be tempted to invade my lands...

You had me in check for most of the game Argitoth with your DEADLY shadowblast pretender. Your death lich and that spell was hard for me to counter.

[Argitoth]

There might be hope for me actually... time to start researching spells.

[Argitoth]

Why aren't any of you more talkative here? And why are you not so talkative in the game? BORING! Well, let me start by saying:

Atlantis! You shall suffer the same fate that your other water nation friend had suffered. Your army is mine to destroy. Retreat now or forever live with regret. Go back to the waters from where you came. Your pretender does not belong on land. He shall die if you continue to attack my lands.

Yomi! Your daemon commanders too shall die. You may have taken my castle, but you will not have it for long. Return your daemons to hell!

[Argitoth]

Home province taken
About to lose anoter castle
Losing provinces
Not enough resources to build an army
I lose, damned luck being surrounded by water nations with all the time in the world to brew an army.

[Hiker]

Who took over for Nikolai? Who ever did decided to break our NAP without warning. So be it...

[Argitoth]

Hiker, there's no Auto-NAP... lol

[Hiker]

"Auto-NAP"? I never said anything about expecting one. All I want to know is who is playing for Nikolai? I would not expect you to understand Argitoth as you broke our NAP years ago without warning. But I decided not to bring it up on here before because of the he said, she said argument.

[Argitoth]

HIKER! WE NEVER HAD A NAP!... omg.

[Hiker]

dont worry I still like ya Argitoth. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif Also since you are the host who is playing for Nikolai or does no one know?

[ano]

JZ plays for Nikolai

[Argitoth]

JZ has a new player? What the hell? How come I didn't know? Time to attack.

[Argitoth]

Oh, JZ wants to help me.

[Argitoth]

server down till I transfer it to mac.

[Argitoth]

Server UP!

Let me know if you cannot connect.

[meister_miagi]

Nope, can't connect. Did the IP or Port number change?

[Argitoth]

Well, I have a new problem. I cannot connect to the server on the mac nor can I connect the mac to its own server.

However, I am able to connect to the mac server with LAN IP, but not WAN IP. The ports are forwarded. However, if I try to forward the ports (going to 192.168.1.1 in the web browser) and check those checkboxes (to enable the ports) I save settings and the checkmarks are never there. However, the checkmarks remain if I go there on the PC.

Is it because MAC just doesn't show checkmarks? Nevertheless, the port forwarding doesn't seem to work on the mac.

If I go to whatismyip.com it shows 70.176.220.23 for both the mac and the pc. Is that normal? Mac is using the same port of 4334. Its lan IP is different, .103 instead .100.

[Argitoth]

Ok, the server will be down for a while until I figure this out. It's obviously a networking issue. I will have time to deal with it today.

[Sivoc]

My best guess would be for you to take a look at the access rules on your router. Make sure that port 4334 is forwarded to the new ip on your mac.

[Argitoth]

Sivoc, I heard linksys doesn't like Mac sometimes.

[Argitoth]

THE PROBLEM IS SOLVED!

http://shup.com/Shup/26538/forwarded.PNG

YOU CANNOT OPEN THE SAME PORT FOR MULTIPLE LAN IPs

[Sivoc]

.... you didn't stop the hosting while we couldn't connect to the server?

[ano]

I still can't connect.

[Argitoth]

Try connecting now. For some reason the server wasn't running...

[Hiker]

Server down again i think.

[Argitoth]

Ok, once again the server wasn't running. My Mac keeps closing the server.

Until I figure out how to stop Mac from closing Dominions app, I can't run the server.

[Argitoth]

Server *should be* UP!

Try now...

[Sivoc]

nope still not running, can't you just move it back to the original host?

[Argitoth]

Lol, Sivoc, you want to run the server? Don't piss me off. The mac is pissing me off as it is. This mac keeps closing dominions.

[Argitoth]

Ok, new attempt to run Dominions on Mac, try logging in now. Lets see how long the server lasts.

[Argitoth]

Mac is still closing down the server.

[Argitoth]

Ok, lets try again. I now set the mac to never go into sleep mode in any way.

[Argitoth]

Nope, Mac closes the server once again.

[ano]

Yes, server is unreachable again. I don't know why you decided to move the server to Mac but everything was ok until you started doing that.
I really hate Macs... It's job specific;)

[Argitoth]

ok DAMNIT!

Server back to PC, just waiting for Lanka's turn.

[Bananadine]

Well I guess my victory is assured now--I've provoked Lanka into destroying all my people, which will allow them to return as all-powerful ghosts on the final turn of the game. This was very clever of me!

But anyway as ano can attest I have learned a lot in this game. Incidentally at some point we saw my pretender fail to cast a spell successfully due to an apparent bug--how does one report such things?

[Argitoth]

go to the main dominions forum and post a thread

[ano]

Bad idea. There's a specialized thread for bugs. Spamming threads is nomanner, I think.

[Dedas]

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=dom3&Number=451410&page=0& view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=104

[lebarjack]

Nobody mind if I go computer controlled?
That was a really good fight from Agartha.
Congratulations...

[Argitoth]

ano said:
Bad idea. There's a specialized thread for bugs. Spamming threads is nomanner, I think.



Ah, bug reports are spam to you? To all their own I guess.

[Revolution]

Arco is looking for an air booster. If you have such an item get in touch with me and we can work something out.

[meister_miagi]

Thanks leberjack good game from you too! But I think Ermor will overrun me soon.

[Janlm]

Rlyeh is still looking to trade death and astral gems, we can offer earth, water, fire and nature gems in return.

[ano]

I'm pretty sure I will upload my turn in time today, but if I don't, please don't skip my turn. This may be called "request for a 3-hour pause"

[Nihil]

Is the game going to be updated to the new patch?

[Argitoth]

yes, right now.

[ano]

Can't connect to server. Anything is broken?

[Argitoth]

sorry

Edit: I'm giving Nihil (Ermor) 5 more hours.

[ano]

Lanka would like to request a pause till Friday 3:00 AM GMT

[Argitoth]

uhh, well i hope you took your turn because hosting just went.

[Revolution]

Arco is looking to trade for air gems. I've got pretty much any other gem to trade or gold.

[Revolution]

The bloodthirsty demonic inhabitants of Lanka have declared war on Arcoscephale! With their forge of the ancients their massive gem income, and their massive landmass it can be determined that Lanka is the most powerful force in the game. The free nations of the world must unite to throw back these demonic abominations! If Lanka is to inherit my land it will surely become unstoppable.

Now, those of you who do not border Lanka and are not taking up arms must be asking yourselves "Oh no, we can't reach Lanka, there is nothing we can do to stop our inevitable demise!" Well my friends, you'd be mistaken. Not only can you hammer Lanka with ritual spells (I can even suggest suitable targets) you can quietly help fund my war effort with donations of gems and gold.

Of course there are probably a few cynics out there who may ask "How do we even know Lanka has the upper hand?" Well the truth is that I don't even know if Lanka has the upper hand...time will tell. But can you really afford to take that chance? Can your...children?

The Lankan armies should be aware that they will find few virgin slaves in Arcoscephale. We Arcoscephalian's are a lustly lot. All demons who enter my land will be promptly banished and all monkeys will be herded up and shipped to Ermor to take part in gladiatorial monkey knife fights.

[ano]

We declared this war just because sitting at home is rather dull and boring. Our monkey people are really tired of that, 'cause they think it's worth visiting other lands even though they are inhospitable. Only a few of them can sneak, so I had no choice other then to agree.

[Argitoth]

In the mean time, C'tis will fight R'lyeh and Atlantis. C'tis great mages just killed Atlantis' supercombatant pretender. Victory is sweet. Now Atlantis knows he can't send super combatants to take my lands.

Hmmm... oh yes. Argitoth, the Saurolich is back from the dead, recalled by his priests. He shall wreak havoc upon his enemies.

[Revolution]

Very impressive SC's and very nice use of them Ano. Far better preparation and utilization of your troops than myself. My favorite part was when my king of elemental fire ran into the SC with 150 fire resistance (Mind you he was not quite properly outfitted for fighting) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Whoever ends up fighting Lanka after me should be prepared...and have some friends because I doubt anyone can take him 1 on 1...and I'm not just saying that because I couldn't http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif.

My God is dead (for the second time this game...damn Niefelheim) and my country falls apart around me; but I still have some bite left in me.

[Argitoth]

Tir Na Nog has betrayed C'tis! It is a shame, because I would gladly march my final army into Lanka's territory to prove C'tis might. The last stand for C'tis will be in Lanka territory! Hurray for the great prophet of C'tis!

[ano]

You're welcome to prove what you want to, mighty Argigoth

[ano]

Server is down?

[Argitoth]

uhh server up?

[ano]

Isn't it already a time for new turn, hugh?

[Argitoth]

Hey ano, please message me if you need something. I can't keep track of how many hours are left after I restart my computer. If you think it's been 48 hours, should I skip Tir's turn?

[ano]

48 hours already passed. I think, we should wait a bit more.

[Argitoth]

I'm going to force host in about 5 hours from the time I made this post.

[ano]

Revolution, I don't want you to think that I lost ('cause that was a lose) that battle due to ineffective planning or something alike.
Things should have gone in quite another direction, but...
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=591761&page=0&view=&sb=5& o=&fpart=1&vc=#Post591761
AI thought that he was more clever than my script:(

[Revolution]

I wish I had placed my golems better http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif If they had been at the gate with storm of thorns slowing your advance to a crawl I probably would have held the province and not lost a dozen commanders as they tried to flee into enemy territory. Antimagic worked well for you though, it's disappointing seeing falling frost hit a group of bunched up units for next to nothing. (at least that's why I assume that spell was so ineffective for me)

Shame for you about that mass flight though...if all of your units were flying you would have torn me up... the only reason I held was because I was able to stop you at the gate for so long.

Any idea why my castle did not fire on you?

---edit, that was a pretty cool fight by the way.

[ano]

Frankly speaking, I can't call this fight a good one. I really, really dislike losing fights due to unexpected bugs. It is very frustrating...
I didn't take my thunderstriking/storming bane lord into this fight planning that you won't expect there will be no storm. And you didn't expect that. I planned rather small loses and what I received in return?;) Btw, it seems that I lost the only commander in this fight - a Dakini who was supposed to fly together with the others but became a lone victim of a friendly Bane Fire instead))
As for the falling frost - it didn't work well due to luck and high protection of my sacreds (it does 17 nomral damage while Kala-Mukhas had 18 protection and luck, MR has no effect on it).

Don't know about no arrows from the castle. Maybe, another bug. I can't find any explanation.

[Janlm]

if spells dosn't fire as you have predicted, there usually is some kind of reason, other than a bug, perhaps it was made impossible for the caster to do it somehow.

[ano]

Janlm, read the thread, I attached a link to. There was no reason for the spell not to be cast, AI just decided that Arrow Fend will cause less fatigue)

[ano]

I'd like to request the pause until Saturday morning (approx. 10:00 GMT). I just have too much work this week...

[Argitoth]

k

[ano]

Monkeys were angry, sorry...

[Argitoth]

Ano, prepare to meet the undefeated C'tis army. It is our last stand.

[ano]

I never even touched you. Why is this "last stand" against me?
Just curious...

[Argitoth]

You destroyed Niefelheim and you have powerful units as well as global enchantments. I want to show you that they are nothing compared to the powerful C'tis army.

[Revolution]

ano said:
I never even touched you. Why is this "last stand" against me?
Just curious...



At this point everyone should be making their "last stand" against you. Unless the world bands together against you, if you continue to be able to pick off foes one at a time, the world is yours.

[ano]

It is already mine, actually. However, I don't see anything bad in it. Anyone does?

[ano]

I'm sorry, Argigoth for the "powerful C'tis army". I never attacked you before, but the apes don't like intruders in the lands they consider to be theirs.

[Argitoth]

Dang, why didn't I cast rain? I just didn't think of it. That sucks.

*Computer control*

[Argitoth]

On second thought, I'm going to return to my castle to for backup and see if Rain would have helped at all by attacking again in a few turns.

[ano]

Rain wouldn't have helped because it just increases fatigue from using fire magic and there's no way to gain more fatigue than 200. Anyway, you're welcome.
Just good old way to destroy armies...

[Revolution]

Thanks for the game everyone, was a helluva lot of fun. Ano you absolutely obliterated me...was a good learning experience. From the first day of our war when a dozen SC's Cloud trapezed into my land I knew it was over. I was hoping to do a bit more damage to your armies in that final battle but you were pretty much prepared for anything.

[ano]

Thanks to you, Revolution. It was a good fight.

[Argitoth]

Revo, thanks for joining my game!

[Revolution]

Argitoth said:
Revo, thanks for joining my game!




I'll see you on the battlefield in our LA Team game

[ano]

Nation of Lanka now controls more than a half of the living world, and if any of remaining nations (Agartha, Ermor, R'lyeh, C'tis, Tir'nan'og) still do not agree that there's no true god other than Bu, the Oracle, I would like to ask to increase the hosting time to 3 days permanently. I need 5 hours or even more for planning each turn and I simply can't afford spending that much time here on weekdays.

[Nihil]

I cant see any problem with that. I dont think the game will last much longer anyway :-(

BTW I have to thank here the Agartha nation for the help given this last turn, it is a pity our roads crossed so early in the game.

[Janlm]

fine with me. And no, i'm not going to submit to anyone called bu as long as i live http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[ano]

Why don't you like the name, Janlm?)

[Janlm]

heh, I don't actually have a particular opinion on the name.

[Argitoth]

I don't know what to do. It's time to host and R'lyeh hasn't taken his turn, but has logged in multiple times.

[ano]

Probably, Janlm should have written something either via PM or here.

[Janlm]

sorry about the delay, i have taken my turn now..

[Janlm]

I don't think i'll have time to take my turn today, can i have an extension to sometimes tomorrow?

[Argitoth]

alright i paused it. dunno if anyone is going to complain though

[Janlm]

thank you, I have taken my turn now, however we are still waiting for argatha.