Manatee - EA newbie game (started)

[llamabeast]

I just realised I haven't started a newbie game for _ages_, so here's one now. I'm calling it Manatee, following my theme of naming my games after South American mammals.

The game will be early era. There'll be roughly 15 provinces per player and as many players as sign up. All settings default, and no mods.

The game'll be run on my automated PBEM server (www.llamaserver.net , and see the FAQ linked in my signature). It's very easy to use.

The game'll be on a 24 hour timer, and later move to a 48 hour timer when players request it.

The player list is:

Marverni - hEad
Tir Na n'Og - thepodger
Pangaea - Omnirizon
C'tis - Elswamio
Oceania - Loren
Agartha - Cerlin
Ermor - eidahl
Lanka - Randvek
Kailasa - yandav
Arcoscephale - carlosib
Abysia - Aapeli
T'ien Ch'i - Thrawn
R'lyeh - Zoshan
Niefelheim - Falkor
? - Molotov98
Sauromatia - Slobby
Ulm - ThatGuyBob

To submit your pretenders:

- Make sure you have the same mods enabled as the game you're playing in (Preferences->Mod Preferences) although only mods affecting pretender design, such as Conceptual Balance, actually matter
- Go to Game Tools -> Create a pretender god in Dominions. Don't set a password, since for PBEM games they're not helpful and occasionally annoying (e.g. if you need a sub)
- Go to the savedgames/newlords folder in the dominions directory, and find your pretender file (e.g. mid_pythium_0.2h)
- E-mail the file to: pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net
- Crucially, you must have the game name 'Manatee' in the subject line of your e-mail

[IndyPendant]

I don't know if I qualify as a newbie anymore; I've only been in one game where I've lasted past midgame, but I am/have been in 6 other games total. I have never played a blood nation MP though, and I would like to give Mictlan a try.

I'll let llamabeast and/or the other players decide, with no hard feelings if I'm not considered newbie enough. ; )

If we get 10 land + 2 water nations, we could use my Cradle starting positions (without the No Independents part, of cousre)...

[hEad]

Marverni please!

Could we have renaming on as well?

[llamabeast]

Hey Indy - yep, you can play, but I think chooser a weaker race than Mictlan might be an idea - they always seem pretty strong.

hEad - yep we'll have renaming on. I forgot that that wasn't default.

[Zeldor]

I think 3 games are enough for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif And no WH 1.8? strange...

[llamabeast]

I was going to include Worthy Heroes, but then I thought I might as well keep it simple.

[thepodger]

I'd be glad to join. I'm definitely not new to Dominions, but I've never done any MP.

Sign me up for Tir Na N'og. I just started playing them in SP and they're a ton of fun.

Seconding Worthy Heroes if it's not too late...

[Omnirizon]

never done MP before. several half finished MASSIVE map single player games going.

sign me up for Pangaea.

also, how many turns a day? I'm pretty busy with school.

[Elswamio]

Thank you for this. I'd like to give C'tis a try.

[Loren]

I want a slot. I'll give a nation in the morning.

Maybe this time I won't be the first or second taken out.

[Cerlin]

Even though I am in a couple games, they are all going slow and i have a lot of free time.

I'll take agartha. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif maybe it will be a game ill not lose.

[eidahl]

I've been waiting for something like this! I'll signup for EDIT:Ermor. Now... *off to reading every tiny bit of info on it and bothering people about it*

[Randvek]

I'd like to hop in and give this a try, if I still can. How about Lanka for me?

[IndyPendant]

Hmm...I'm looking at other nations right now, but the only other one I like to play is Caelum. *glares at eidahl*

--Kidding about the glaring. I do like EA Caelum despite its many many weaknesses, but I've played them enough times now that I don't consider myself a newbie with them anymore.

llamabeast, if I limited myself to a single 9-point bless + whatever, do you think that would still be too powerful? --Honest question. ; ) I'll go back to looking, anyways, see if anything else catches my eye.

Edit: Oh, and Omnirizon, standard for these games is a 24-hour quickhost, which means one turn a day usually. If everyone gets their turns in early, you can sometimes end up doing, say, 4 turns in 3 days or something like that. Around Turn 20, it often changes to 1 turn every 2 days.

[eidahl]

IndyPendant: You can have Caelum in that case. I kindof wanted to try another one anyway.

EDIT: Actually, hopefully I end up something near you and observe your way of playing Caelum. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

I'll just edit the post I made before when I decide the race...

[llamabeast]

Loads of people! Cool. Keep them coming.

[yandav]

I'm in with kaisala.

[carlosib]

I'd like to join as Arcoscephale if possible.
Thanks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aapeli]

I shall take Abysia if, as I assume, there is still room. I just need to give ea abysia a go as I sort of messed whit them in another game.

[Thrawn]

If I can play, I would love T'ien C'hi...

[Zoshan]

I would love to play R'lyeh if there is room.

[Falkor]

So, it's a pbem game?
If yes, I'd love to join as Nifelheim.

Edit: I see my question actually answered in the first post.

[Molotov98]

Um... Fire nation.

whats it called?

Absinia? Abysian? that one.

If I can that is

Molov

[Molotov98]

Well, I just saw some of the other posts.

So abysiniania, is out of the question.

Guess I'll take whatever I can get

[Loren]

I guess I'll go with Oceania.

Also, I would like to request the timer be 26 hours instead of 24. Over here on the west coast a 24 hour timer can ratchet down too early into the morning.

[llamabeast]

Molotov98 - choose a nation from all those that are left. It's probably better to do that that just get whatever you're stuck with, since the game's more fun if you are a nation you find exciting.

[llamabeast]

Excellent. Still a few nations left (see the edited first post for the list of nations in the game so far).

[Slobby]

Sign me up for Sauromatia please.

[tgbob]

I'm so new it hurts. Can I get Ulm?

[IndyPendant]

I think actually I shall withdraw from this game. I don't really like many many players in the games I play, I've found; around 12 is my limit. Maybe I'll set up another game, and play Mictlan in that one... ; )

eidahl, thank you for being willing to give up Caelum for me; if you want it back, take it.

Note just to be clear for everyone, Mictlan is still up for grabs in this game.

And I hope everyone has fun!

[llamabeast]

Okay then, I think we probably have enough players, so I will set the game up to accept pretenders. I'll add instructions for uploading your pretender to the first post. Try to get them in in the next couple of days. I'll start the game late Wednesday night at the latest, and aim for Tuesday night.

[Elswamio]

pretender sent. What time is the daily deadline going to be?

[llamabeast]

Oh, whoops! Actually when I posted that I had forgotten to actually create the game. Presumably anyone who's sent a pretender in should have got an error message. Please could you send them in again?

Elswamio - The game will be on 24-hour quickhost. What that means is that it'll host when everyone's turns are in, or 24 hours after the last hosting, whichever is sooner. What that means (and this takes a little thinking about) is that you will always have >= 24 hours to do your turn after doing your last one, and each turn will always host <= 24 hours after the previous one.

In practice the hosting time tends to gradually advance around the clock, but you can always take your own turn at whatever time of day suits you best.

I would like to try to keep to the 24 hour schedule for at least the first 30 turns or so, although if several people request a change we'll change to 48 hours sooner. But it is nice to have the first 30-odd turns quickly, since they don't take that long to play.

[yandav]

I've already sent my pretender for kailasa but I want to change something in my pretender's design. Is it possible? Do I only have to send a new one? Sorry for my mistake http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

[llamabeast]

Yep, just send it in again. You can keep sending revised pretenders right up until the game starts, if you have new ideas.

[yandav]

Ok, thanks!

[carlosib]

Are we starting the game today as planned?

[llamabeast]

I hope so. We're still missing Tir na n'Og and whatever Molotov98 was going to be - hopefully they'll turn up in the next few hours. If they don't I may well start it tonight anyway, depending on whether I have time. Hopefully I will.

[Falkor]

which map will serve us this time?

[llamabeast]

I think I will go with "Glory of the Gods (Multiplayer)". Sorry, should have decided on that ages ago.

The two missing players haven't even received the PMs I sent, so I think I'll just go ahead and start the game now...

thepodger and Molotov98 - apologies. Send me a PM and I'll make sure to save you a space in the next game.

[llamabeast]

Okay, the game is started! Hopefully you'll all have got your first turns. See my FAQ if you're not quite sure what to do.

The first turn has a 48 hour timer in case of problems, and then we'll be on a 24 hour timer.

Enjoy the game!

[eidahl]

I just noticed that I have currently one province. Was that a mistake or... ?

"There'll be roughly 15 provinces per player -" from your first post.

(Not that I mind, since one province per player might make it more interesting. )

[llamabeast]

Oh! Sorry, it hadn't occurred to me that it could be read like that. I meant that the total number of provinces in the game would be about 15 * the number of players (it's slightly higher in the end). So that if everyone expanded equally you would end up with 15 provinces.

[eidahl]

Heh, I figured it was something like that.

Now ... off to map/plan out borders/glorify in my eventual conquest of the 'known world'. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[DrPraetorious]

Ah, it's a pity I'm not a newbie.

Realize, all of you, the high standards to which the name of this game requires you to adhere:



When I come up from round the Horn
I find a gal what makes me beam
She'd hold me in her supple flippers
Darlin' lady of my dreams!

Oh Manatee, sweet manatee
Your moustache bristles tickle me
In places no one ever sees
My soft and lovin' manatee!

I found her bobbin' in the surf
Her briny smile enchanted me
We hauled her up and gave her lovin'
A buoyant lass you would agree!

Oh Manatee, sweet manatee
My buxom bovine from the sea
Won't you come and marry me
My warm and flaccid manatee!

[tgbob]

Alright, I'll admit it. I don't like manatees. They're the retarded cows of the sea.

"Duurrr fast spinning thing, let's go see what it is duuuurrr."

[Omnirizon]

excuse my ignorance, i've never played MP before. but so what are the little crowns on some of the provinces?

[llamabeast]

Oh whoops. I have to admit I got confused and thought a manatee was a monkey.

The crowns on some of the provinces are "victory points", although since we're not playing for victory points they won't give you victory. They do have some value though - if you control a crown it will produce a candle for you each turn.

[Randvek]

Wow, getting a hurricane on your capital on turn 2. I didn't even take misfortune. How... unlucky.

[Falkor]

Randvek said:
Wow, getting a hurricane on your capital on turn 2. I didn't even take misfortune. How... unlucky.



Yeah, it happens sometiems even with luck scales.
But do not worry. To keep the cosmic balance Pangaea has got a hero (see the prophet) on turn 1! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Randvek]

I've also got a blue dragon breathing down my neck already. Hi Tien Chi! I might be out very quick.

[Omnirizon]

i knew making my hero the prophet would advertise its arrival. but i couldn't resist.

[Omnirizon]

v 3.14 is now available. do we go ahead and patch our games? will this affect the MP we have going right now?

edit: nvm. question answered in another thread. thanks llama.

[Elswamio]

Did Marverni quit?

[hEad]

Nope.. Marverni still in business, life just happened to get in the way.

[tgbob]

Hello Lanka, Niefelheim and R'lyeh, how are we doing this fine day?

[Falkor]

"Greetings, little ones!
Not much time for chatting. Have some conquest job to be done. For barter, speak to me wife. Keep yer eye open. She's lookin for some fresh bones for a soup."
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Randvek]

You're just a bit too far away, Ulm, but Lanka is enjoying an amusing view of Tien Chi's might blue dragon staring down a Niefelheim Jarl. Our demons are hoping to see some blood.

[hEad]

Just had an odd problem,

received the turn 9 file at 10:12am then got the turn 10 file at 10:40am.

anyone else skip turn 9?

[Loren]

hEad said:
Just had an odd problem,

received the turn 9 file at 10:12am then got the turn 10 file at 10:40am.

anyone else skip turn 9?



It came normally for me. You probably have something wrong with your e-mail delivery. Check your message for #9 and see when it was sent.

[hEad]

yeah your right Loren, it was sent Thu 31/01/2008 11:01 AM.
Random bugger then..

[Thrawn]

That Jarl owned my dragon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif At least he was smart enough to run from an SC with frost resistance.

[Falkor]

Thrawn, let's set a second round in capital of Lanka.
Demon apes wanted to see some blood. We shall give them a bit. Do you agree Randvek?
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Randvek]

Not sure that would be the best for either of you. It's quite hot in Lanka!

I guess I am the nice warm filling between two cold nations. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[tgbob]

Three! Ulm is kinda cold too you know.

[Randvek]

Ah. I must profess that I don't know very much about Ulm.

You guys really should come visit Lanka and learn the joys of getting a tan.

[Thrawn]

A tempting offer, Randvek... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

hEad unfortunately can't carry on playing Marverni due to person issues. I will take the current turn, and see if it's worth looking for a sub.

This also reminded me that I forgot to ask if anyone would be happy to be the admin for this game? It's hard for me to keep track of all the different games going on, so if someone actually playing could be the admin that would be great. All the admin has to do is postpone hostings and stuff if people ask for it. It's all very easy via the website. Any volunteers?

[Falkor]

If it's that easy as you say llamabeast, I'll do it.

[llamabeast]

Awesome, thanks Falkor. I'll PM you the password. If you get eliminated from the game, please ask someone else to take over (or PM me as a last resort), since carrying on admin-ing once you're not in the game is no fun.

Everyone else: Please ask Falkor if you need something admin-y doing.

[Falkor]

llamabeast said:
Awesome, thanks Falkor. (...)



Nope. Thank you for hosting and adminnig all these games. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

I've just set Marverni to AI - it wasn't looking like a fun position, and they are at least bordered by at least two nations, so they will still have to fight over the scraps!

[Randvek]

It seems like a lot of people are running into borders quite quickly. I know I have 6 provinces currently, and border 5 other nations (hello Tien Chi, Neifel, Agartha, Ulm, and, uh, I forget the other). Marverni's position sounds enviable. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Aapeli]

5 nations! Looks like youve got a lot of diplomacy to do. Abysia has currently 2 border nations and has already started a ferocious assault against Ermor (prophets army with 17 troopers left but still raiding provinces)!

[Randvek]

Don't you love it when...

the turn you get a good Conjuration spell, your lab burns down?

[Aapeli]

My early spreading and research stopped nicely in to a famine in my capital (the was lots of unrest). Luckily we abysians have an extra source of income in fire gems.

[Randvek]

Ouch. Sounds like lots of bad luck going around.

[Omnirizon]

haha. I had the "1/5 population leaves" on my capital city around turn 4 or 5. ouch!

I had my pretender die on turn 3. that wasn't luck as much as personal stupidity/overambition. big ouch.

I hoping I'm just not the first one out. I got a nice defenisible strip of land, and about to get some decent spells (finally, lost tons of research while Calling God back)

[Aapeli]

Well I guess this is what happens when you take death scales and drain scales to boost your goods power http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif.

[Loren]

Aapeli said:
Well I guess this is what happens when you take death scales and drain scales to boost your goods power http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif.



Sounds like a bad idea.

What's *REALLY* bad is death + misfortune.

[Falkor]

>>>Lizard hunting season opens in C'tis.
Everyone is invited. You get one cold (actually frozen) meal a day and can keep all your trophys!
Interested? Speak with Friedleif the Master Hunter of Nifel Mountains.

If you plan hunting on your own you have to travel to the southern C'tis. No lizards and no fun in the north.<<<

[Falkor]

>>>The hunting season has to be closed.
As the pesky lizards organized an effective defence the hunting became too dangerous.<<<

[Elswamio]

We just want our swampland. But it's so cold there, we need to pack a couple space heaters with us.

[Falkor]

You gave me a good lesson Elswamio. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
We will see if I learnt something.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Randvek]

Well guys, Tien Chi has invaded Lanka with a sizable force. Considering how boxed in I was from the beginning, I doubt I'll have the resources to repel him.

Wish me luck, else I might be out already.

[Elswamio]

I hope we teach eachother a lot.

[Slobby]

Anyone else having problems getting their turns in? I've sent my turn twice to llamaserver and have yet to receive a confirmation email...it's been an hour so far, usually it's pretty quick...

[Slobby]

Still nothing after 3 hours, would it be possible to get a 24 hour extension on the turn?

[tgbob]

The server hasn't received my turn either.

[Aapeli]

It got my turn tough...

Ok I heard from an other game that the server was down but its now fixed so just resend your turns.

[Falkor]

I hope everyone sent turn file in time. I was too slow to react. But the pretender file I sent during the breakdown for another game was accepted later. I think it should work the same for turn files.
Slobby, ThatGuyBob everything all right with your turns?

[Slobby]

Yes, the 3 turns I sent in I guess got saved and all 3 went through at 3am. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[tgbob]

It got it both 1:35am, whew!

[Randvek]

Lanka is pretty hosed, I think. I'm only playing one more turn because I want to throw everything I have at Tien Chi and see what I can do.

Ulm and Agartha, feel free to invade what's left of Lanka. And please, continue on to the lands of the betrayers, Tien Chi. I may not have been able to beat his army, but I've put a very significant dent into it, and he should be weak. Heck, I might even wound or drop his dragon this turn. Wish me luck on that.

*sigh* I must really be bad. Getting into position beyond salvageable before turn 20 in a newbie game. Seriously unenjoyable. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Elswamio]

wow that Niefel hero is a killer. I hope I can research a counter while I still have a capitol.

[Randvek]

Sounds like I may not be alone going out early, eh C'tis?

[Elswamio]

I guess I exagerated a bit, but I'm guessing his counter attack will hurt more than my initial offense.

[Randvek]

I was actually working on getting my army down to Niefelheim to get him from the other side when Tien Chi hit me. No idea if he would have spanked me, but it would have been interesting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Falkor]

Nothing interesting down there.
You would only found swamp, marsh, bog, some more swamp and a bunch of nasty lizards chasing my giants. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Randvek]

Alright, I've given my gems away and Lanka is going AI. The situation is beyond saving.

Falkor, if I didn't do it properly, could you set Lanka AI after the current turn? I think I did it right, but I'm not sure.

Peace.

[Omnirizon]

good gaming with you sir. I'm sure I will be following soon. Learned a lot about MP gaming here though (and had a little fun); that's whats important.

[Falkor]

Randvek said:
Falkor, if I didn't do it properly, could you set Lanka AI after the current turn? I think I did it right, but I'm not sure.



Sure. Will be done.
Thanks Randvek and good luck in your other games.

[Falkor]

We reached turn 22.
If you would like to set the timer to 48h just post your opinion, please.
I personally would stay a bit longer with 24h timer.

[tgbob]

Well that's weird, is there a bug that teleports your army around in multiplayer? Bah, I probably missed clicked somewhere last turn.

Anyway, putting in another vote for 24h timer.

[Aapeli]

Id prefer 24...

[Loren]

Anyone want to trade a clam for a hammer?

[Thrawn]

24! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Falkor]

I will set Agartha to AI or actually ask someone out of the game to do it. 3 turns in a row stalled and no answer on my pm. I'm pretty sure Cerlin is not going to return to the game from whatever reason.

[yandav]

It's the first time that something like this happens to me. I had a NAP3 with pangaea and they attacked me this turn without any warning! What can I do?

[Omnirizon]

I went to AI. sorry, I should've warned you.

you telling me you can't handle hordes of naked berserk women?

[Slobby]

haha look at em go!!!

[Loren]

Omnirizon said:
I went to AI. sorry, I should've warned you.

you telling me you can't handle hordes of naked berserk women?



They are *CRAZY* chicks!

[Xietor]

you can't enfore nap's. all you can do is not make treaties with players that break them in the future.

Once players get a rep for breaking treaties, they tend to get no more treaties in future games.

[Loren]

Xietor said:
you can't enfore nap's. all you can do is not make treaties with players that break them in the future.

Once players get a rep for breaking treaties, they tend to get no more treaties in future games.



The problem here is the AI breaks treaties, not that he broke one. All he did is fail to warn that he was going AI.

[yandav]

Omnirizon said:
I went to AI. sorry, I should've warned you.

you telling me you can't handle hordes of naked berserk women?


Ok, sorry for the tone of my message. I will try to deal with your women with my monkeys ( ouch, disgusting! ).

[Loren]

yandav said:

Omnirizon said:
I went to AI. sorry, I should've warned you.

you telling me you can't handle hordes of naked berserk women?


Ok, sorry for the tone of my message. I will try to deal with your women with my monkeys ( ouch, disgusting! ).



Hey, this is a family game--no monkey business! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Aapeli]

This is a little late but Im off to a cruise today and wont be back till thursday morning. Im submitting my turn and I might be able to make the next (depending on how quickly this one is done) but if everyone is ok with it it would be nice if the admin would extend the next turn (31 not this one (30)) so that it wouldnt host till thursday 13.00 gmt. So atleast six hours of extension and I should be able to make the turn.

[Falkor]

Such short delay is not a problem at this point. I will set the timer.

[Falkor]

The new hosting time for turn 31 is Thursday, 15:05 GMT.
The interval is still 24h though.

[Aapeli]

Scouts report that Pangea just lost a grandiose amount of troops. I wonder what happened http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif.
The mighty warlocks of Abysia still wait for his majesty the Scobur to awake. When he shall the fires will punish all the heathens that stand in his way http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif.

[Aapeli]

Yahoo! My pretender is finally here (among with was it three other imprisoned pretenders). If anyone would like to trade earth gems for some water gems then send a pm (fire and astral gems might be accepted as well). Also if your buing lvl 4 construction items then you know where to get those fire brands http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/carrot.gif.

[tgbob]

The forges of Ulm are now hard at work forging magical goods of varying qualities. If any nations wish to trade forged items for gems, the smiths of Ulm are more than happy to their services.

[Loren]

ThatGuyBob said:
The forges of Ulm are now hard at work forging magical goods of varying qualities. If any nations wish to trade forged items for gems, the smiths of Ulm are more than happy to their services.



And if you need water-based items, contact Oceania.

[carlosib]

Hi guys. I'm having problems with my computer. Can we have a 24hr delay on the hosting of this turn? I should be able to solve it between today and tomorrow.
Thanks in advance http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Falkor]

The hosting is postponed by 24h.

[carlosib]

Well, my computer is dead. I'm getting a new one today so hopefully i wont be staling any more turns.
Thanks for the hosting delay Falkor!

[Falkor]

Good luck then. If you need some more time I can delay the hosting for a day.
Btw, I think of changing the timer to 48h on turn 40.

[carlosib]

No need for further delays, i just got my new computer!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
I've already submitted my turn and i can still handle 24h. But i'm also ok with going 48h if someone feels like it

[tgbob]

Ulm is looking for the following magical items:

Bag of Winds
Winged Helmet
Blood Stone
Flame Helmet
Skull of Fire
Armor of Twisting Thorns
Moonvine Bracelet
Treelord's Staff

Will trade items for em, PM me on forum if you're interested.

(Should've used a rainbow pretender, blah!)

Edit: Are we on a 48 hour timer now?

[Falkor]

ThatGuyBob said:

Edit: Are we on a 48 hour timer now?



Yes, I changed the timer to 48h. Turns became long.
Do you think its too early? (question to everyone)

[tgbob]

Nah, was just wondering why the timer suddenly shot up two days.

[Thrawn]

Guys, unfortunately I have to bow out of this game. I've had some stuff come up that is not going to let me at my computer for awhile. I was about to get trounced by Ulm (and maybe C'tis) anyway. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Enjoyed it, setting myself to AI. Good luck to everyone!

[tgbob]

Woah [censored], did I win the battle? I didn't even check till now.

Edit: Aw man, everyone is still just loitering around. An AI with +300 troops next to me, why you gotta do me like that Thrawn?

[Falkor]

That's not good news Thrawn. Maybe you could find a sub? Your position is pretty good, isn't it?
Although I damn you for backstabing me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif it won't be funny to take revange on AI http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif
Nevertheless, thanks for a game and see you in other ones maybe. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Elswamio]

If ermor has been eliminated like the message says, why is he still on the player list on the server? Is it possible to get him off the list so we won't have to wait for him to stall again?

Sorry, I'm impatient http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[tgbob]

Sorry about the delay, turn sent like.

[Loren]

I would like to request an additional 48 hours on the next turn, or the turn after that if this turn runs soon enough. I probably won't need anything like that, perhaps no extra even if a turn gens tomorrow, but I'm going to China (we depart EARLY Wednesday and by the time we get where we are going it will be bedtime Thursday by local clocks) and I will have to locate an internet cafe that permits the use of flash drives before I can play my turn.

I will be carrying a laptop with Dominions installed--playing from there won't be a problem once I locate a suitable internet cafe.

[Loren]

Followup to the previous post: The turn cycled, it's the next one I want the extra time on. I will *NOT* be on again until I'm in Shanghai.

[Falkor]

I postponed hosting by 24h at first.

[Loren]

Falkor said:
I postponed hosting by 24h at first.



I'm back in contact with the world but gmail is being problematic here. Would the llamaserver be confused if I submitted a turn from a different address? (I can read fine but I had to try more than 20 times to send.)

[Falkor]

I'm not sure about the llamaserver, but I could change your email address. This way nothing will go wrong. Post it here or send me a pm.

[Loren]

That's probably safest--it was acting up even on read today.

lorenpechtel@hotmail.com

[Falkor]

Updated.

[Elswamio]

So how's it going everyone? I've only had diplomatic talks with my neighbors and am curious to hear what the rest of the world has experienced.

My poor cold blooded lizards are freezing their butts off in cold-3 niefel provinces hopeing in vain for a decisive battle against the giants. It may not be not the greatest idea I ever had, but it will be interesting none the less.

It's been a great war between him and I, started when I thought he overexpanded too fast into independent provinces close to my capitol. Figuring that he thought me for an easy target, I decided to attack him early. My initial armies were no match for his blessed jarls, but found that spamming skeletons did a decent job on them.

It was at a stalemate when tien chi offered to attack him on another front. I thought this a good move and it surely helped me gain the upper hand on the giants. But tien chi's creative diplomacy had proved his undoing when he decided to plan with ulm to divide my lands between them. Fortunately for me, Ulm has been a friendly and honest tribe, he informed me of this and attacked tien chi. I then negotiated for a cease fire with the giants and we were all going to punish the eastern threat. The chinese leader, knowing that he had maybe planned one too many backstabs, left his army in control of the AI, which promptly flooded ulm with his armies.

In a possibly poor decision, I decided that if tien chi is AI and sending all he has towards ulm, I'd better not let niefel gobble up tien chi's provinces. So I gave him 3 turns to defend himself and now we are where we are at. I'm besieging his capitol, but I can't compete with his jarls underwater currently, so I'm cut off from many of his presumably gold and gem rich provinces. It's been fun and stasifying(probably because I've got the upper hand) and hopefully the next few turns will decide our fate in an equally intriguing manner.

I hope you all have had equally fun experiences and I'd love to hear some stories.

[carlosib]

Hi guys,
Here in Argentina we have a 5 day holiday because of easter. I'm away until saturday afternoon so i would really need turn 51 hosting to be delayed until saturday evening (i've already submitted turn 50).
Thanks a lot in advance!
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Falkor]

OK. Let's wait for Carlosib. 24h hosting delay.

[Aapeli]

The mighty nation of Abysia has finally, after series of long and fierce battles, concuered the nation of Ermor. Their religion died with the help of Oceania. No the mighty scorpion king of the abyss has turned his eyes towards the nation of Marverni (gone AI) who has for too long been terrorising our eastern borders. So now, after long delays caused by the war, the flames of Abysia are spreading and our might is growing.

Oh and also our construction has finally reached to lvl 6 so order now all the fire, earth, astral and air items you might wish to own.

[tgbob]

Doh! Sorry about stalling, won't happen again.

[Loren]

The llamaserver is bouncing my turn. We are flying home soon, it's going to be 60 hours before I have a sure connection, please postpone the game that long.

[Falkor]

60h is pretty damn lomg. So guys, please help me to decide to pospone it that long or not.
If at least two of you support Loren's request the turn will be postponed.
I will postpone the hosting for 4 hours to give you some time.

[Aapeli]

Postponing is ok for me. 60 h sounds long tough but I see no need to hurry.

[carlosib]

I have no problem with Loren's request. I think that in a game this long it's better to give everyone the time they need to play their turns...60hr is virtually nothing compared to the several months that we've been playing, and rushing turns takes the fun out of the game in my opinion.

[Falkor]

Thanks.
New hosting time is Friday, 03:15 GMT.

[yandav]

I fear that I won't be able to play between friday 15h GMT and sunday 18h GMT. Is it possible to wait for me?

[Falkor]

Maybe Loren will submit the turn file on Thursday evening. If not, we will wait for you, Yandav. With 12h delay you can submit your turn Sunday evening. Is that ok?

[yandav]

That sounds fine, thanks!

[Loren]

Sorry about the delay. I would have only asked for 12 hours had the llamaserver not barfed exactly when I was submitting a turn and then disappearing into the sky where there's no internet access. I'm back on the ground now, the turn is submitted.

Not only was the llamaserver not accepting e-mail but it was bouncing it so that when the problem was fixed it wouldn't go through.

[Falkor]

So, next hosting goes on Friday according to the plan. Then we will eventually wait for Yandav.

[Loren]

Since I'm now back in the US can you put my e-mail address back to loren.pechtel@gmail.com?

[Falkor]

Sure. It's done.
Please, request the turn file resend to confirm it works properly.

[Loren]

Falkor said:
Sure. It's done.
Please, request the turn file resend to confirm it works properly.



I got the message announcing the address change.

[Loren]

Oceania announces that the lizards of Sauromantia have been kicked back to the land where they belong.

[carlosib]

Darn...hotmail isn't working, I can't get my turn to play it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif
Could i get a 12 hour delay?
Thanks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Falkor]

OK, 12h delay.

[carlosib]

Thanks so much, turn submitted http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[yandav]

To the admin: Dedas will sub for me until tuesday so you've got to send my turns to him. Thanks. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Falkor]

Short delay to wait for Dedas.

[yandav]

I'm back! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
@Dedas: thanks again!
@Falkor: I should be able to play the next turn.

[tgbob]

Oh how I wish I had an endgame plan.

[Falkor]

Lack of inspiration?
You need a war against powerful opponent. Strong in numbers and quality, master of steel and magic.
Let's say... C'tis http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Nifelheim would welcome an ally like Ulm. What do you think? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[tgbob]

C'Tis went AI? Wah? That's... great. More AI to deal with! Gasp.

Faux Edit: Let's split his lands, although those tartaruian titans will be a pain.

[Falkor]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif C'tis went to AI?
I didn't know.
Oh, well. I'm a bit disappointed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

Edit: Guys, if someone want to leave the game, please give me an info. I could try to find a substitute. C'tis and earlier Tien Chi were both in good condition.

[Falkor]

ThatGuyBob said:
Faux Edit: Let's split his lands, although those tartaruian titans will be a pain.



They are not that scary. Last turn I have slain two cyclops without much effort. I assume they were scripted by AI http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
They left some nice items though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Slobby]

Would it be possible to get an extension on this turn (72) by 24 hours?

Thanks

[Falkor]

Sure, hosting delayed by 24h.

[Loren]

Is there a random event that gives a horror attack, or is someone throwing horrors at R'yleh? I can't see anyone except me that would be in a position to benefit and I don't have the land for blood hunting even if you don't count the fact that I'm not a blood nation.

[Aapeli]

Need 24 hour delay! Computer broken but hopefully shall be fixed tomorrow. Thanks in advance.

[Falkor]

No Problem. New hosting on Sat 13:35 GMT.

[Loren]

Aapeli said:
Need 24 hour delay! Computer broken but hopefully shall be fixed tomorrow. Thanks in advance.



Yeah, the stupid things have that habit! I would be in the same boat except I've played the last two turns on my laptop. I've got the main system back up but with maybe a 10% chance of successful post.

[Falkor]

Loren said:
Is there a random event that gives a horror attack, or is someone throwing horrors at R'yleh? I can't see anyone except me that would be in a position to benefit and I don't have the land for blood hunting even if you don't count the fact that I'm not a blood nation.



The Horrors are not from an event. They are punishing R'yleh for attacking Nifelheim. And there is more to come. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif

[tgbob]

A messenger from Ulm arrives.

Due to a bookkeeping snafu, the treaties with Sauromatia and Niefelheim have been well, lost. You see, last month the great and mighty Gether Kuhadh wanted for a late night snack. And as it turns out, that snack was an assistant of the great library of Ulm, whose duty before being devoured body and soul, was to ferry all of our diplomatic recordings to storage!

Now, we DO have treaties, it's just that our warlords don't know the exact length of said treaties. We're pretty sure the terms with Niefelheim was 6 months was it? But what about our agreement Sauromatia?

A hasty reply from the aforementioned nations would be most welcome.

-From Ulm with Love.

[Slobby]

Non agression pact with a three turn grace period before the commencement of hostilities following a declaration of war.

[Falkor]

ThatGuyBob said:
A messenger from Ulm arrives.


We're pretty sure the terms with Niefelheim was 6 months was it? But what about our agreement Sauromatia?

-From Ulm with Love.




We do have a 6 turns NAP.
The province I took this month was agreed for me to take wasn't it? You were chasing some Tien Chi troops who took my provinces. Then you proposed me to take it back. My assumption was that I can take back both provinces, so I waited until you remove your troops.
If I misunderstood your message, then I apologise. Take it back. I will remove the Jarl and leave no PD.

[Falkor]

Someone has got a scout in West Midden (#61), maybe?
If yes, could you tell me what did you see in battle replay?
My battle replay shows clear win of my Jarl against 3 Rudras and one Siddha of Kailasa, but battle report and acctual after-battle situation shows a win of Kailasan forces.
Something is bugged here.
Yandav, what shows your battle replay?

[Loren]

Falkor said:
Someone has got a scout in West Midden (#61), maybe?
If yes, could you tell me what did you see in battle replay?
My battle replay shows clear win of my Jarl against 3 Rudras and one Siddha of Kailasa, but battle report and acctual after-battle situation shows a win of Kailasan forces.
Something is bugged here.
Yandav, what shows your battle replay?



No scouting of the province but an adjacent scout sees it changing control to Kailasa.

I think you're victim of the known bug that once in a while the battle replay doesn't match what happened.

[tgbob]

Falkor said:

ThatGuyBob said:
A messenger from Ulm arrives.


We're pretty sure the terms with Niefelheim was 6 months was it? But what about our agreement Sauromatia?

-From Ulm with Love.




We do have a 6 turns NAP.
The province I took this month was agreed for me to take wasn't it? You were chasing some Tien Chi troops who took my provinces. Then you proposed me to take it back. My assumption was that I can take back both provinces, so I waited until you remove your troops.
If I misunderstood your message, then I apologise. Take it back. I will remove the Jarl and leave no PD.



No, I wanted you to have that province. I was just wandering what the lengths of the NAPs were since I forgot to write them down earlier.

[yandav]

Loren said:

Falkor said:
Someone has got a scout in West Midden (#61), maybe?
If yes, could you tell me what did you see in battle replay?
My battle replay shows clear win of my Jarl against 3 Rudras and one Siddha of Kailasa, but battle report and acctual after-battle situation shows a win of Kailasan forces.
Something is bugged here.
Yandav, what shows your battle replay?



No scouting of the province but an adjacent scout sees it changing control to Kailasa.

I think you're victim of the known bug that once in a while the battle replay doesn't match what happened.


My battle replay shows the same than yours. Too bad the replay isn't accurate, I'd like to know exactly how I killed your SC.
Sorry for you, it must be really disappointing to watch a victory and then to realize that you've lost.

[Falkor]

Yeah, really disappointing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Especially that the battle could really go the way shown in a replay. My Jarl had a small advantage in stats. Your Rudras had very high fatigue from buffs.
Could you tell me if the scripting in replay was as designed by yourself, or if you scripted the Siddha to retreat?
If it is too much of your tactics I don't mind if you want to keep it for yourself, of course.

[yandav]

Falkor said:
Yeah, really disappointing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Especially that the battle could really go the way shown in a replay. My Jarl had a small advantage in stats. Your Rudras had very high fatigue from buffs.
Could you tell me if the scripting in replay was as designed by yourself, or if you scripted the Siddha to retreat?
If it is too much of your tactics I don't mind if you want to keep it for yourself, of course.


I didn't script the Siddha to retreat and I really don't know why he flew.

[Falkor]

yandav said:

I didn't script the Siddha to retreat and I really don't know why he flew.



Thanks.

Btw, Welcome to my new conquered land of lizards. Enjoy your stay. And watch your back. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Falkor]

Damn! I shouldn't send the turn file in the last moment anymore. One moment too late this time.

[tgbob]

My lack of end-game planning is disturbing. Most of my turns now consist of "Okay, move these guys there, move those guys here, maybe summon some units, forge some stuff, end turn!"

All the while hoping that Sauromatia or Kailasa or R'lyeh or something is attacking me.

PS dear R'lyeh, quit mindhunting me.

[Slobby]

Hehe the end game is easy at this point...send everything at Kailasa, or we will lose. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[yandav]

Thanks for the compliment but I don't really think there's a big difference in power between you, ulm, abysia, the water nations or me.

[Loren]

yandav said:
Thanks for the compliment but I don't really think there's a big difference in power between you, ulm, abysia, the water nations or me.



Huh? The only nation even close to you is Sauromantia.

[Slobby]

yandav said:
Thanks for the compliment but I don't really think there's a big difference in power between you, ulm, abysia, the water nations or me.



http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif You're the nation with the nexus.

[Aapeli]

yandav said:
Thanks for the compliment but I don't really think there's a big difference in power between you, ulm, abysia, the water nations or me.



I didnt think that i was concidered that powerful http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif.
Sure I have the wrath of god but my army isnt as grand as you others and my territory is not the greatest either and recently my lead in dominion has gone as well (Kailasa really grew his dom quickly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif ). My grand achievment was perhaps my pretender (died recently but shall return...).

Yet one achievment occured when I finally nailed Sauromantians tartarian with mind hunt /threads/images/Graemlins/Balloons.gif.

[Zoshan]

I will be going out of town July 1-15 as I have no chance to win this game I will not bother to get a sub, or maybe I can get one for the 7-15 it just depends on what my brother is doing, if I cant get a sub I will set my race to AI. If I get a vote on winner I would have to pick Yandav as he has AN up and that is a game ender. Anyway I had a blast playing.

Zoshan

[Falkor]

I started a thread to find a sub for you, Zoshan. Maybe you could post there some more details about your in-game situation.

Good game. I will miss your teleporting Mind Lords http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[yandav]

I won't be able to play between the 6th of july and the 7th of august. I am going to create a new thread to find a sub.

[Slobby]

yandav said:
I won't be able to play between the 6th of july and the 7th of august. I am going to create a new thread to find a sub.



That's really too bad. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Personally I believe you're unstoppable at this point, and I'd hate for the game to end with someone else at the reigns of the great Kailasan empire that you have formed...I'd like to vote for the game to end with you the victor. Of course I'll keep trying to wipe out the monkeys if everyone else would rather play on. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Loren]

Sauromantia, are you trying to fritter your army away against Kailasa??

[yandav]

Slobby said:
I'd like to vote for the game to end with you the victor.


In this case, we should vote quickly because I think it won't be very kind to ask for a sub and then to tell him that the game is over.

[Aapeli]

I dont oppose on ending the game. I dont know who should win tough. I guess Kailasa and his nexus would be the most likely winner. Still if we continue the game there are lots of things that can happen, and I am as willing to continue as to quit. It depends on what you others think.

[Loren]

As far as I'm concerned, Kailasa has won this one. I have considered it over for a year or so now and the recent abysmal performance of Sauromantia against the Kailasa invasion drove a bunch more nails in the coffin.

(For anyone who doesn't know the situation, Kailasa SC's have been grabbing provinces without difficulty, Sauromantia has one big army in the area being seiged, I'm pretty sure the seiging army can communion up to casting master enslave.)

The only reason I'm still in it at all is to see how things end up in the ocean, otherwise I would have gone AI by now.

[tgbob]

I wouldn't mind it either way, it's been five months and I feel like I've learned enough from this game, ya know?

Although I'm kinda surprised you're giving up early, can't Sauromatia cast spells like disintegrate or just spam those poison archers whose poison will always apply on armor hits? (I read that in a thread somewhere, I'll see if I can dig it up.)

[Loren]

ThatGuyBob said:
I wouldn't mind it either way, it's been five months and I feel like I've learned enough from this game, ya know?

Although I'm kinda surprised you're giving up early, can't Sauromatia cast spells like disintegrate or just spam those poison archers whose poison will always apply on armor hits? (I read that in a thread somewhere, I'll see if I can dig it up.)



I'm just recognizing that it's over and has been for some time.

Nobody did anything when he cast Arcane Nexus. That is where the game really ended.

As for those poison archers--I've got some pretty good scouting of the battle area and I've seen how abysmally Sauromantia's forces have been performing.

I also have provinces next to his capital (his capital is coastal) and thus see something of what he's summoning there.

He's simply going to march over the rest of the world. From what I can see of the world I would say my army would fare best against his SC's but that doesn't matter--there's no way I could hold my territory, he would just cut off my income and my forces would desert. He doesn't even need to do this, my dominion is being squeezed out as it stands.

[Slobby]

I did try to dispel the nexus twice, the most recent attempt I used 130 astral gems and failed. With Kailasa's gem income, even if I could dispel it it no doubt would have went back up in no time. There was little point in trying again so I didn't.

Spells like disintegrate (mr check) would have to be spammed like mad to penetrate the mr of the rudras and the seraphs. Ghost rider spamming worked well against the rudra's, but there are too many Seraphs, and I've had no luck taking them down.

This turn it looks like I've lost half of my total army, my cap will be captured within a couple of turns. Too little, too late, did I commence hostilities against Kailasa (I actually didn't realize he had the nexus up, until I chatted with Niefel). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Without question Kailasa has won.

Bon jeux Yandav! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Falkor]

Nifelheim will not rule the world this time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Injured.gif

All players agreed (more or less) that Kailasa is winning the game. I'm going to declare the game as finished, but if someone does not agree we can discuss the matter. I will wait until Saturday and then we can begin with congratulations for Yandav. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Loren]

I have seen several hundred pearls worth of seraphs, I'm sure there is plenty behind that nexus.

I suspect the only way to take it down is to kill it's caster which I assume is his pretender.

I think I could pull that off by wishing for him but that would do nothing about the SC's already running about and I'm sure he could be called back quickly.

[yandav]

Loren said:
I have seen several hundred pearls worth of seraphs, I'm sure there is plenty behind that nexus.

I suspect the only way to take it down is to kill it's caster which I assume is his pretender.

I think I could pull that off by wishing for him but that would do nothing about the SC's already running about and I'm sure he could be called back quickly.


I don't think you can wish for my pretender. You could only wish for an other Oracle. Can someone confirm this?

[Zoshan]

He would just get another Oracle but not your pretender.

[Loren]

yandav said:

Loren said:
I have seen several hundred pearls worth of seraphs, I'm sure there is plenty behind that nexus.

I suspect the only way to take it down is to kill it's caster which I assume is his pretender.

I think I could pull that off by wishing for him but that would do nothing about the SC's already running about and I'm sure he could be called back quickly.


I don't think you can wish for my pretender. You could only wish for an other Oracle. Can someone confirm this?



I thought if you wished for a pretender *BY NAME* the guy shows up but doesn't change sides. Do it in a province where you have a lot of firepower and he's dead unless he's scripted to teleport out or something.

[Falkor]

The game is officially finished. /threads/images/Graemlins/Flag_Checkered.gif
/threads/images/Graemlins/icon44.gif The winner is Yandav with Kailasa.

Congratulations Yandav!

Thanks everyone for the good game.
I hope you enjoyed it as I did. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[yandav]

Well, thanks Falkor and everyone, this game was a lot of fun and I learnt a lot ( especially about ritual attack spells thanks to Niefelheim and Sauromatia http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ). I 've been lucky during this game because my first two opponents ( Pangaea and Arcoscephale ) didn't have any archers which are a terrible threat for my ( almost ) naked sacred troops.

[tgbob]

I was the one casting earth attack and leprosy over and over on that huge +600 stack of yours.

Oh, and what were the under-water nations doing the whole game? Hadn't heard so much as a peep from them.

[Loren]

tgbob said:
I was the one casting earth attack and leprosy over and over on that huge +600 stack of yours.

Oh, and what were the under-water nations doing the whole game? Hadn't heard so much as a peep from them.



We didn't do much.

After I built up a good army I kicked Sauromantia out of the ocean and then the rest of the game R'yleh and I sat there staring at each other.

Neither one of us was really in a position to want to attack.

I had a bunch of underwater-capable Sauromantian troops staring at me and thus I didn't want to send forth anything like my whole army, yet I would have needed much of it to crack his fortresses unless they died of starvation. I had figured he could feed his troops with magic until near the end when I discovered at least some of his troops were starving.

He tried to go into the eastern sea and got kicked back out by the giants. Had Kailasa finished taking out the giants on land we would have been going after that sea. He had more astral casters than I did but at the end I was beginning to field Searphs. They would finally have given me the mobility to start harassing R'yleh. Also, the Kailasa/Sauromantia war meant my army no longer needed to watch the flank and could have been used offensively.

Long ago I realized there was no chance in the world of winning this, I was only looking to conquer the seas.