EA Arco and Dark Vines

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It's been a long time since I played EA Arco, but in a recent game I'm playing them and I thought I might pick up a quick province by seducing the lowly Druid commanding some woodsmen in a forest.

I'm not sure if I didn't notice the Dark Vines, or just didn't think about them, but instead of getting a single N1H1 commander, I ended up with a N1B2, and he even brought along his retinue of 18 slaves.

I think I'll head back for the other 4 druids http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

EA Arco has a pretty quick route to blood magic if you can manage to find an indy province with Dark Vines in it!

[K]

When I'm playing a race with Seducers, I send in Scouts with Retreat first into an indie and then Seduce provinces with unique mages or mages of a type I don't get.

I've netted things like an A7 Glamour mage, Fire mages, Circle Masters, Wizards, and all the other weird things that show up in indies.

A neat tactic to get those female mages is to Charm/Hellbind Heart them during the failed Seduction attempt/Assasination. The taken unit will attempt to attack the province when you take them, so make sure you take all the commanders in the province in one turn. This tactic once let me snag Sabrina the Sorceress with the unmakable Robe of the Sorceress artifact.

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Sounds like a good plan!

How do you get unit number 1325 (Nagini)? It has seduction, but I can't figure out where that unit comes from. Bandar's Nagini is 1322, which does not have seduction.

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That Nagini is the shapeshifted form of the Patalan Nagini.

I like seduce, but I like charm even more. In a recent game I managed to charm 2 of Bogus crew - the flier and Bogus. Of course I didn't steal the flier's crazy orders, but they were still fun to use.

[K]

The serpent Nagini uses the Change Shape command to become a humanish Nagini that Seduces.

[Foodstamp]

Wow, you guys are really having luck seducing things with the Oreiads? I was never able to get them to seduce anything, including indy commanders. Have they upped their #seduce <number> in a recent patch?

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It's early in a new game. So far against the druids I'm running at 50%, but luckily there are 5 in the province (I think there's always 5 blood druids). In the assassinations, the blood druids do brilliant things like cast "Sabbath Master" and "Sabbath Slave" (the same guy). If he summoned Imps instead, I'd be toast! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Anyway, the failures are no so bad, because the blood druids have a nice item each, and I get that as a consolation prize if I have to fry them with lightning bolts because of a failed seduction.

[NTJedi]

vfb said:
... instead of getting a single N1H1 commander, I ended up with a N1B2, and he even brought along his retinue of 18 slaves.

I think I'll head back for the other 4 druids http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.




The provinces with the blood druids are worth capturing. Recently in a game I had to kill mine because they started right next to my capital and no seducers for my nation.

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Foodstamp said:
Wow, you guys are really having luck seducing things with the Oreiads? I was never able to get them to seduce anything, including indy commanders. Have they upped their #seduce <number> in a recent patch?



Another turn ran in my game. 3 for 4 success rate seducing blood druids with Oreos. I guess blood druids are fond of the ladies!

[Meglobob]

vfb said:I guess blood druids are fond of the ladies!



I hear they dig virgins big time! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

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I won't bother you guys with any more updates after this one. But on the blood druids I was 4 for 5 with Oreiad seduction. And I just grabbed a W1D1H1 Bakemono shaman, hello Dark Knowledge! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

So, 5 for 6 on the seduction attempts ... maybe they have been boosted?

[Torin]

Wise.

[Tichy]

I find that seducers have an easier time with mages than with even the standard indy commander. It gets lonely in the lab, I guess.

Wonder how they coded that. Is there a hidden 'femme fatale susceptibility' counter on units? I hope so.

[Endoperez]

Seduction is supposed to be affected by morale and magic resistance. I don't think indy commanders have morale 11, and they have lower magres than mages, so they should fare worse than mages...

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The blood druids had Morale 13 (12+1exp), MR15. Weird that Oreiads were 4 for 5 against them if there is a morale or MR check.

I'm too busy at the moment, but maybe it would be good to do an experiment with some trial runs on a custom map. Has anyone done this already? Or can we just beg KO to provide a wee bit of enlightenment.

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Well, here I go, breaking my promises.

Please please please let me seduce Intor Vadul the Ancient Presence. Oh please. Pretty please!

If I cast Charm (good luck vs. MR18 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif) even if it works, he's gonna die fighting the 140 Madragoras in the province, right?

[Endoperez]

Except if he's the only commander... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[LDiCesare]

I had a success rate of only 1 in 5 with an oreiad vs. blood henge druids when I tried this. Becomes quite expensive use of the oreiad at that rate (though I did get a big armor in the process).

[Foodstamp]

I think VFB had a very lucky run. My testing with the Oreiads is pretty consistent with what the rest have said. I normally equip them with the knowledge that they are going to be seduction failing assassins. Next time they should use the hot chicks as seductresses imo.