Dom3 Item Forging Reference Project - Updated Feb 18th

[cleveland]

I've put together a way to quickly determine which items a mage can forge based on his magic paths.

--> Online version HERE! <-- (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pYxdCraxCsKelbxigPHALKA&output=html)
--> Included in (http://www2.onyx.nu/pb/dom3/spells.html)Snoddasmannen's searchable database HERE! <-- (http://www2.onyx.nu/pb/dom3/spells.html) ***

Or...
Excel version here! (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pYxdCraxCsKelbxigPHALKA&output=xls)
Open Office version here! (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pYxdCraxCsKelbxigPHALKA&output=ods)
CSV version here! (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pYxdCraxCsKelbxigPHALKA&output=csv)
PDF version here! (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pYxdCraxCsKelbxigPHALKA&output=pdf)
...but be sure to re-download occasionally to stay current!

***Snoddasmannen has graciously uploaded the Vanilla Forging Reference to his online searchable database!

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Currently available Forging References:
Vanilla
CBM 1.3
CBM 1.4

I'd very much like this to become a "repository" of mod-specific forging references. If you're a modder and would like to create your own, I'll be happy to give you editing privileges. You'll need a (free) gmail account. Just PM me your gmail address.

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The "Single Path" pages look like this:
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4572/singlefd4.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=singlefd4.jpg)http://img146.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
Under each of the 8 magic paths, all the "single path" items are listed, grouped by the magic-level needed to forge them, and color-coded to indicate the needed Construction level (blue = Const0...red = Const8). Items that boost magic paths are italicized.

The "Dual Path" pages look like this:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1157/dualhb1.th.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dualhb1.jpg)
It's a consolidated matrix that groups all similar "dual path" items together, includes the path requirements, and follows the same color convention as before.

It answers the following questions very easily:
1) What items can I forge at Construction level X?
2) What can *insert name of newly encountered mage* forge?
3) If I empower/boost *insert name of mage*, what new items will be available?

All the data was mined from the Dom3 DB, produced by Edi.

Enjoy.
cleveland

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EDIT1 (1/27/08, 6pm):
-Uploaded file to 2shared

EDIT2 (1/28/08, 9am):
-Version 2008.01.28 posted (only minor revisions, though)
--2008.01.28 changelog
---"Armor of Twisting Thorns" properly italicized
---Credit for Dom3 DB taken from Ed, given to Edi
---Dual-Path FR now opens in proper orientation
-Removed redundant link to 2shared hosted file

EDIT3 (2/1/08, 3pm):
-Version 2008.02.01 posted (again, only very minor revisions)
--2008.02.01 changelog
---"Blood Stone" properly italicized
---"Skull of Fire" properly italicized

EDIT4 (2/16/08, 11am):
-Forging reference for Conceptual Balance Mod 1.21 now included
-No changes to the vanilla forging reference

EDIT5 (8/7/08, 3pm):
-Online version officially posted
-Outsiders invited to collaborate
-Changed title to more pretentious "project"

EDIT6 (8/7/08, 6pm)
-CSV version made available - now you can open it in your own spreadsheet!
-PDF version made available - if that's your thing!
-Attached PDF retired to that big server archive in the sky

EDIT7 (8/7/08, 7pm)
-XLS (Microsoft excel) version available
-ODS (open office) version available

EDIT8 (10/4/08, 1:30pm)
-Updated CBM references to CBM 1.3
-Revised formatting: Single references now optimized for wide-screen viewing & subsections alphabetized
-NOTE: If you use the online version, you MUST update your bookmarks!

EDIT9 (10/6/08, 3:30pm)
-Uploaded link to Snoddasmannen's searchable database.

EDIT10 (1/15/08, 10:30am)
-Added CBM 1.4 references

EDIT11 (9/19/09, 4pm)
-Added CBM 1.6 references

EDIT12 (2/18/2010, 8pm)
-Fixed a few CBM 1.6 errors (thanks vfb, Trumanator, & Tmoe!)

[sector24]

This is very nice. Thanks for taking the time to do this!

[Meglobob]

Thanks for this, very nicely colour coded! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[DigitalSin]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif Holy cow. That's awesome dude.

[Jazzepi]

I'm getting corrupted archive file errors when trying to unzip the zip with alzip http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Jazzepi

[cleveland]

Jazzepi said:
I'm getting corrupted archive file errors when trying to unzip the zip with alzip http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Jazzepi



I understand the forum is having trouble with attachments.

I've uploaded the zip to 2shared [edit: deleted]
Please let me know if it's still coming back corrupt.

[DonCorazon]

Works for me. Thanks Cleveland - awesome work!

[vfb]

Thank you cleveland, it's very nice!

[Jazzepi]

Alzip appears to have been the problem D: I was able to open the original zips hosted on the forums with window's program.

Jazzepi

[WraithLord]

Thank you Cleveland, this is awesome!

[OoohSnap]

Thanks cleveland, its very useful and handy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Reay]

I am already using this frequently, cheers Cleveland http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[archaeolept]

very nice work cleveland - not sure why the first chart is on it's side? - but that's a minor thing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[cleveland]

I've uploaded a new version 2008.01.28, which has some very minor revisions based on feedback. It's not really necessary to "upgrade"...

2008.01.28 changelog
---"Armor of Twisting Thorns" properly italicized
---Credit for Dom3 DB taken from Ed, given to Edi
---Dual-Path FR now opens in proper orientation

I also removed the link to the 2shared hosted file; since the forum link is working properly, 2shared is unnecessary.

Thanks for all the comments. The real credit belongs to Edi for making the Dom3 DB, and to the Devs for delaying the new patch so long that I was bored enough to make this thing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Seriously though, this is a great game and I'm glad I can contribute to this great community.

cleveland

[shard]

It looks great! I think its going to save me a LOT of time! Not to mention reduce wear on the manual...

[Nikolai]

Nice. Thanks!

[Edi]

Thanks for the nod. Looks like a damned useful reference. The DB is a tad harsh on the system if you need to fire it up for some trivial info. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Zeldor]

And don't forget that it all comes from a newbie. Great job cleveland.

[AlgaeNymph]

cleveland said:
I've uploaded the zip to 2shared HERE (http://www.2shared.com/file/2774512/6deec777/Dom3_Forging_Reference_v20080107.html)
Please let me know if it's still coming back corrupt.

I can download it, but now I can't open it.

[cleveland]

Updated to version 2008.02.01. Like the last "update," only very minor inconsistencies were corrected, so you really shouldn't have to re-download unless you're a perfectionist. Unless there's something I'm completely missing, I expect this will be the final finished product.

2008.02.01 changelog
-"Blood Stone" properly italicized
-"Skull of Fire" properly italicized

Cheers,
cleveland



p.s. @ DryaUnda: Ignore the 2shared link! It's outdated and unnecessary. Download the attachment to the 1st post.

[Horst F. JENS]

very useful, and very nice colors.

[AlgaeNymph]

cleveland said:
p.s. @ DryaUnda: Ignore the 2shared link! It's outdated and unnecessary. Download the attachment to the 1st post.

I tried but it said there was an error during the Stuffit operation (#-37).

...Wait, I think I know what the problem is, spaces and periods in the file name. I edited the name and got it to open. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Nimnio]

Thanks Cleveland. This guide is very, very useful for a new player.

[cleveland]

Given the perenial popularity of the Conceptual Balance Mod, I put together a CBM specific forging reference. It is included in the attachment in the first post. It is accurate for CBM 1.21. No changes have been made to the Vanilla Dom3 forging reference, so if you don't use CBM, there's no need to download.

[lch]

cleveland said:
Given the perenial popularity of the Conceptual Balance Mod, I put together a CBM specific forging reference.


I think this is the biggest drawback to CB which is keeping people away from using it: not knowing how things have changed and being unable to plan ahead in forging items. Good job!

[cleveland]

I'm currently putting the finishing touches on a new revision of the Forging Reference.

While it includes corrections to a few errors, I'm excited to announce that this revision will be available through GoogleDocs, Google's online office software suite.

The rationale is that I'd like to extend the Dom3FR beyond the 2 flavors currently availble, namely Vanilla and Conceptual Balance.

GoogleDocs will allow me to grant editing privileges to other modders/community members wishing to create References specific to the countless other outstanding mods available that I don't personally use.

Non-modders will NOT need any sort of Google account to access the References; they'll be viewable just like any webpage.

Here's a sneak preview. (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pYxdCraxCsKdolQ_rkM5xIg)

Before it goes to the final press, I'm curious to know what the community thinks of this "collaborative project" approach, and if anyone's interested in contributing...?

Cheers,
cleveland

[sansanjuan]

cleveland said:
I'm currently putting the finishing touches on a new revision of the Forging Reference.

While it includes corrections to a few errors, I'm excited to announce that this revision will be available through GoogleDocs, Google's online office software suite.

The rationale is that I'd like to extend the Dom3FR beyond the 2 flavors currently availble, namely Vanilla and Conceptual Balance.

GoogleDocs will allow me to grant editing privileges to other modders/community members wishing to create References specific to the countless other outstanding mods available that I don't personally use.

Non-modders will NOT need any sort of Google account to access the References; they'll be viewable just like any webpage.

Here's a sneak preview. (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pYxdCraxCsKdolQ_rkM5xIg)

Before it goes to the final press, I'm curious to know what the community thinks of this "collaborative project" approach, and if anyone's interested in contributing...?

Cheers,
cleveland



It sings. Very nice work C!
-SSJ

[lch]

Nice. There's an easy import for that? Somebody get Edi to do the same with his Dom3 DB... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Edi]

Sorry, Ich, but not going to happen. Anyone who likes can make a copy of the DB and modify it as they wish to make a CBM version or such, but I'm not going to put it on something like Google docs or whatever else there is.

[Renojustin]

Seems like it'd be great but it's all... erm, blurry.

[cleveland]

Renojustin said:
Seems like it'd be great but it's all... erm, blurry.



Hmmm, I'll up the font size when I get some time today.

Quick question: if you increase the zoom of your browser, does it get any better, or just make the blurs larger?

[Renojustin]

Blurry both when zoomed, and printed.

[sansanjuan]

Renojustin said:
Blurry both when zoomed, and printed.



Hmm. The reference looks clear to me. What zoom level do you have adobe at?

-SSJ

[cleveland]

I think Renojustin might be referring to the GoogleDocs version I "sneak previewed" in a recent post:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pYxdCraxCsKdolQ_rkM5xIg

My browser is displaying it OK, though the italicized entries are admittedly more difficult to read. I think that if I up the font size, it may fix the problem, though that will require some reformatting, so probably not until later this evening.

[Jazzepi]

Thanks for these references Cleveland.

Jazzepi

[Mozkito]

All we need now is a Spell Casting Reference page...

[Cor2]

this is very neat. Good work!!! and thanks

[cleveland]

No problem. Actually you've reminded of something I've been meaning to do for quite a while.

I'd like to officially announce that the Dominions 3 Forging Reference is now totally online (direct link is in my sig).

Further, I'd like to officially invite all modders to create their own mod-specific references for inclusion in the project.

My hope is to create a central "hub" where forging references for any mod can be accessed by the community.

If you're a modder (or mod enthusiast) and would like to add to the project, just create a (free) gmail account &amp; PM me your gmail address. GoogleDocs is very straightforward, and you can use what I've posted as a template.

Cheers,
cleveland

[Zeldor]

You could add forging costs in gems [or even online calculator where you put forge bonus], of course you have it in manual, but it may get confusing, especially with dual path items.

[cleveland]

Send me your gmail address and make it so!

And that info we were discussing! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Omnirizon]

it'd be totally awesome if everything linked to a descrip of the item too. but maybe that's just too much.

[Zeldor]

My gmail address is confidential http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif And for that thing you need - I need to verify 1-2 things to be sure I don't give you wrong thing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[JimMorrison]

Hey just a little thing - in the Vanilla Single page, Earth 5 and Earth 6 are just listed as "5" and "6" rather than E5 and E6. Otherwise, it's beautiful. I want to print it as a poster. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[cleveland]

Ask, and you shall receive.

I think that's going to be my new theme, actually... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[MaxWilson]

Zeldor said:
My gmail address is confidential http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif And for that thing you need - I need to verify 1-2 things to be sure I don't give you wrong thing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



You could create a new Gmail account specifically for editing the GoogleDocs.

-Max

[MaxWilson]

Cleveland,

That's awesome. Thanks!

-Max

[cleveland]

Sweet Mary!

I just figured out how to publish the spreadsheets as Comma-Separated-Values (CSV) files!

In other words, everyone can download the raw data and open it in their own spreadsheet-manipulating-software!

Try it out!

<font color="brown">Egads! .xls! .ods! </font>

[Lingchih]

Methinks you are a geek, Cleveland. But thanks, this looks handy.

[cleveland]

In spite of my ongoing hiatus from Dom3, I decided to kick back today and play a quick SP game.

To my chagrin, I found that my CBM Forging References were woefully out of date.

Ergo, I present the most recent iteration of the Dom3 Forging References. The CBM References are now fully compliant with CBM 1.3, and the format has been updated: subsections have been alphabetized & the Single references have been optimized for wide-screen viewing.

Click HERE to access the latest online version! (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pYxdCraxCsKelbxigPHALKA&output=html)

Please note that if you use the online version, you MUST update your bookmarks.

See the 1st post for a full description & the Excel, Open Office, etc versions.

Feedback/complaints/death threats are, as always, encouraged.

Cheers,
cleveland

[cleveland]

Snoddasmannen has graciously expanded his searchable online database to include the Vanilla Forging Reference!

Snoddasmannen's database available HERE! (http://www2.onyx.nu/pb/dom3/spells.html)

[cleveland]

I've added CBM 1.4 forging references. There were exactly 3 changes:

--- 2-handed Bane Blade now Construction-0
--- Evening Star now Construction-0 (this weapon lost it's AOE 6 from CBM 1.3, but retains it's Auto-Hit fire & weakness)
--- Demon Whip now Construction-2 (a MAJOR change, as it brings AOE-1 damage into the Construction-2 tier)

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Now that the D3RFP is approaching its 1st birthday, I'd like to ask the community for feedback, and would greatly appreciate any comments.

Does anyone besides me even use these?
Do they make sense?
Are there any changes you'd like to see? Additions?

Thanks, and enjoy!
cleveland

[vfb]

Use it? I never close the tab! Thanks Cleveland.

The only time I have to crack open my manual is when I'm thinking, jeez, this guy really needs a shield, what can I make for him... but the manual is fine for that.

[fungalreason]

I'd just like to say I find this incredibly useful. It has almost completely replaced the manual for me.

[MaxWilson]

I appreciate having the Google docs version that I can reference from any computer. Also, the dual-paths doc is useful. I don't know that I can say that I use it *frequently* because obviously anything that I'm looking up frequently gets memorized pretty quick, but I'm glad you made it.

-Max

[Sombre]

Yeah I use it.

[Gandalf Parker]

It is very handy and much appreciated.

[LDiCesare]

Very useful! Thanks a lot for doing this.

[Ishamoridin]

It's very handy, I tend to have printouts for all of my national mages :P

The only feedback I could offer would be that it'd be nice to have it work backwards, too.

Like having items listed by slot and the forging requirements as the output.

Other than that, it's perfect!

[Hoplosternum]

Yes it's great as I usually play CBM

[cleveland]

Updated for CBM 1.6

Enjoy!
cleveland

[vfb]

Thanks Cleveland! And it's nice to see you back on the forums.

[sansanjuan]

Updated for CBM 1.6

Enjoy!
cleveland

c,
Good to hear you are still kick'n!
-ssj

[cleveland]

Thank you, gents. Was bored this afternoon and took a quick peek. Can't get sucked back in quite yet, but thought some folks might find this quick update useful.

Will probably check in more regularly once the winter sets in.

Cheers,
cleveland

[Trumanator]

small bug- the demon whip is actually F1, not F1B2

[Gregstrom]

Isn't that just in CBM?

[vfb]

F1 in CBM. F1B1 in vanilla.

[Tmoe]

Robe of the Sea seems to have moved from Construction 0 to 4 in CMB 1.6.

[cleveland]

Updated to fix a few CBM 1.6 errors (thanks vfb, Trumanator, & Tmoe!)

[Mysterio]

I've put together a way to quickly determine which items a mage can forge based on his magic paths.

--> Included in (http://www2.onyx.nu/pb/dom3/spells.html)Snoddasmannen's searchable database HERE! <-- (http://www2.onyx.nu/pb/dom3/spells.html)

Is anyone else receiving browser errors while trying to use this?

[lch]

I've put together a way to quickly determine which items a mage can forge based on his magic paths.

--> Included in (http://www2.onyx.nu/pb/dom3/spells.html)Snoddasmannen's searchable database HERE! <-- (http://www2.onyx.nu/pb/dom3/spells.html)

Is anyone else receiving browser errors while trying to use this?
Not with Firefox. Snoddasmannen is aware that his tool is browser-dependent.

[Mauxe]

I am looking at this as an all-in-one reference as I continue to learn the game. Is the current version (updated to CBM 1.6) accurate enough for that purpose, or have the recent releases added enough to make this sheet difficult to rely on?

[llamabeast]

I'm afraid versions 1.8+ change the forging requirements considerably. I think a new version of this is needed quite urgently - hoping to find someone to do it! (As I am quite snowed under with modding projects myself.)