Alexandria - battle for balanced glory [TC wins!]

[Zeldor]

NEW game ADMIN: Firewalker

Settings:
Map - Alexander
Game name - Alexandria
Mods - CBM 1.21 [when released]
Gold, Resources, Supplies - standard
Independents - 6
HoF - 15
Renaming - allowed
Research - normal
Score graphs - off
Victory condition - standard, we end the game when everyone agrees there is a winner

Players:
Zeldor - Arcoscephale
hoo - Bogarus
Omnirizon - Agartha
DonCorazon - T'ien Ch'i
Cleveland - Pangea
Ylvali - Atlantis -> AI
Siyfka - Mictlan
FrozenFalcon - C'tis -> eliminated by Marignon
Firewalker - Patala
spacht - Marignon
Randvek - Pythium
sansanjuan - Utgard

Game will probably start on Wednesday or Thursday. 24h turns for first 20-30 turns, then 48h per turn, we can extend it to 72 if we get down to like 4-6 players.
There will be also break from 29th February till 3-5th March because of my travel to China.

Game will be hosted on llamaserver, which is PBEM.

[llamabeast]

Edit: There was a slightly grouchy post here. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Zeldor]

llamabeast:

I was going to probe interest first and see if there are enough people interested in a game with mods. I know that most new people prefer vannilla version. So sorry for not writing first, I hope you are not angry http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Thrawn]

I would love to play, if I'm 'semi-newbish' enough. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Heinrich]

I am "totally-newbish", never played any MP game at all.

I ask no mercy, just a small slot on this game would be great (if there is any one last) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Zeldor]

Thrawn:

List how much you have played and how long in that games, so we will see.

Heinrich:

There is rather a big difference in 1st MP game and even second. It is good to try at least some blitz games, you learn then a lot about designing a pretender, which is much much different than in SP. With vanilla game some races are unwinnable and I hope that CBM will help it at least to some degree.

[hoo]

I've played in 2 games here and lost. Have played about 6 other games through a different forum. But I'd be interested in this. I'd consider myself maybe semi to advanced newbish. Played enough to know that communion spells are great. But have also killed a lot of mages using them.

[llamabeast]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif no worries Zeldor.

[Zeldor]

hoo:

Phoenix Pyre? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

To everyone wanting to join, check if you know what communions, SC, thugs, raiding, bless, etc mean http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[DonCorazon]

The Mighty Grom returns! Thanks Zeldor.
My preference is FFA and hidden stats.

PS I have yet to use communion so guess I am still a pure Noob though I will grab some coffee and read the guide for this game.

[Zeldor]

DonCorazon:

There is a good manual for it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif You should rather know what it is, not specifically use it. With Ulm it is a bit hard to do http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Oh, you didn't vote for age.

EVERYONE:

I need your votes on: Age, FFA/Teams, stats [hidden or not].

[FedSlayer]

What are the turn requirements - how often will players need to get a turn in?

[cleveland]

I must of course jump at the chance to resume smiting my former Urapara foes.

If I may voice my preferences:

Players - the more the merrier

Age - Late Age (gotta see Bogarus in action)

Map - World of Geometry & Alexander are both excellent choices; I recommend keeping the ratio of land:sea nations = ratio of land:sea provinces

Style - FFA...have played 1 team game, and it wasn't as much fun as Urapara

Mods - all sound pretty good

Banned spells - rather than banning utterdark & nexus, why not just ban their 2 main beneficiaries (Ermor & Rhyleyhehyh (sp?))

Other settings - boosting indy strength to ~7 makes for a more interesting early game. I'd also recommend something like 30 min turns for the 1st 10 turns (because these shouldn't take anyone more than 1min, newbie or not), and 36hr quickhost turns thereafter (so that everyone can play @ the same time each day w/out pressure, if they so choose).

Thanks for organizing Z...what's your projected start time/date?

[Omnirizon]

count me in.

I've only played in one other game before (actually still involved in it). I'd like a shot at a second game to apply the lessons I've learned from this first one (like don't let pretender die on 2nd turn).

I vote LA or EA. MA feels too.... middlish for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
but I'll play whatever.

edit: and I vote FFA too. Of course I'm fine either way.

[llamabeast]

If any overly-new newbies are reading this, I will probably start up a new-newbie game shortly. PM me if you're interested.

[Zeldor]

FedSlayer:

24-30 hours for about first 20-35 turns, then 48. I guess 72 after turn 100.

cleveland:

We still need to wait for WH 1.9 and CBM 1.2, so it may take 1-4 weeks till start [if it is close to 3 weeks we will start it after 3rd March as I have trip before that].

[Dedas]

I would like to join but I don't feel so sure with CBM, so I'll vote no on that. My vote on age would be LA. Map: Alexander.

[Zeldor]

Dedas:

There is no voting on mods http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I want to take nation that will be probably weakened by CBM, but still, it should make everything more balanced.

P.S. How many games did you play? [standard question for people registered over 1 year ago http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif]

[Dedas]

Ok http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Around 10 perhaps.

[Zeldor]

Dedas:

10 does not qualify as semi-newbie http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif 2-5 most, not including blitzes.

[hoo]

Phoenix Fire didn't kill my mage. Being a communion slave did. Had some guys set up for communion slaves. Killed some PD and about 20 troops. then watched in horror as the enemy didn't route off the field in time to save my mage who died of fatigue.

That wasn't my worst move. I had a tricked out air queen that I scripted to cast enough spells to paralyze her. Then the enemy marched up to her and killed her while she was asleep thus losing some artificat armor, shields, weapons.

I do know what SC, bless, thug are. Think I know what raiding is too.

[Zeldor]

hoo:

In my blitz game as LA Agartha I had about 20 mages in communion, I easily won a battle with almost 100 elephants and when last enemy was just going to rout my master casted Phoenix Pyre, thus all slaves got it too. As they were fatigued I got huge explosion that killed aboue 30 units, 16 mages and they didn't return as they were fatigued.

[hoo]

zeldor: All I've heard is horror stories about phoenix fire so I've avoided it...

But 2nd thing: Could we start off for 48 hours. Most folks will get their turns in but 48 gives you enough wiggle room in case you need an extra night.

[Zeldor]

hoo:

No http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif If someone cannot play first turns in 24 hours should not touch MP. But of course it can be always extended by request, for example for weekends, trips with a girlfriend etc http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Dedas]

Well, I understand Zeldor. Guess I just have to wait for another game to sprout. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ylvali]

Hello.

I am a newbie to MP, yet I have been playing single for two years so I know the game pretty well. I would like to join in on this game if welcome.

I have no certain desires on age or rules at this point, as long as they are kept simple.

I prefer to roleplay my pretenders, making up a personality for them and play the game accordingly, in the future I´d like to make mp games focused on that.

Looking forward to try MP.

Ylvali

[Zeldor]

OK, Conceptual Balance Mod 1.2 is ready [check mods & maps section] so if we get enough people we can start.

Voting now tends to get to LA and graphs off.

[Zeldor]

We have now

Me - MA/LA, graphs off
hoo - did not vote
Heinrich - did not vote
Omnirizon - did not vote
DonCorazon - did not vote
Cleveland - LA
Ylvali - did not vote

Dedas:

Of course blitzes do not count, you can have 50 of them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif But 10 finished or almost finished MP games can be a bit harsh when there will be few people with their first MP game.

[Omnirizon]

LA, graphs off

[Ylvali]

LA and graphs off seem good to me

[Zeldor]

It seems that we have a tendency. I think we have then LA, graphs off. From mods we have CBM 1.2 only as it has WH. Ermor and R'lyeh are banned. We will wait for more players and get to picking nations. Meanwhile play a bit with CBM, it has many things really different.

[FedSlayer]

Where can we find those maps to peruse and maybe SP? (Geometry and Alexander)

[cleveland]

Shall we plan on a Saturday start? Perhaps 5pm GMT?

Maybe everyone can stick around and play the first 1/2 dozen turns that day?

[Zeldor]

We need preferably around 12-15 players. We start when we reach that point. Map is quite big and more players = more diplomacy = more fun = more bloody baths.

[SiyfkA]

I'd like to join, this would be my first ever MP game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[PashaDawg]

The maps can be found under the Scenarios, Maps & Mods sub forum.

You can also find links to them here: http://dom3maps.wikidot.com/start

[Zeldor]

We have only 8 people now. For Alexander it would be really nice to have more, at least around 12. Some people will probably get killed withing 20 turns and we do not want boring mid and late game. Especially someone playing Mictlan http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[FrozenFalcon]

I'd like to join, Zeldor can himself judge on my performance according to the graphs in the other game whether I'm still total noob. But I think I've learned more about the basics and am maybe suitable for this game.

[Firewalker]

I'm in. Can't resist a chance to play LA Patala!

Graphs off is fine as well.

[Zeldor]

FrozenFalcon:

I think I will be most experienced here, heh, a bit strange.

Firewalker:

We will see what other nations other people want first http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif And we need like 3-5 more people to start.

[DonCorazon]

Just give me some magic. Tired of dirty smiths!

[Zeldor]

Well, you can all PM me your 3 first picks and I can divide nations betweens those who already signed up and leave what is left for that 3-5 people we need.

[Zeldor]

We have 9 people, we need 3-5 more!

QM should release new CBM version in few days with small bug fixes, I hope we can start it around that weekend.

I will put magic sites at 50 [standard 35], unless someone wants a different value here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Elswamio]

I'm game, but I'd still classify myself as a total noob. I'm only 16 turns into my first MP game. Always willing to learn and die though!

[Zeldor]

Ok, we have 10, 2-4 more and we can start it.

I have received most nations preferences, but some people did not do it yet. Remember that R'lyeh and Ermor are forbidden. And there is big interest in Agartha, Patala, Mictlan and Abysia.

[Zeldor]

11 we have.

Free nations [of course you can pick used ones too, then we will have to roll who takes them], with no one picking them:
Utgard
Midgard
Marignon
Atlantis [that is land nation btw]
Pythium

[cleveland]

Suggested Game Title: Ocelot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocelot)

[Zeldor]

Cleveland:

Llamabeast would be happy with that name http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I wanted to use just 'Alexandria', but Ocelot sounds nice too.

[hoo]

We have a Go date for this game? I take it, not this weekend but maybe next weekend?

[Zeldor]

We need to get like 1-3 more people, I need to force QM to release CBM 1.21 with bugfixes. And I need Pashadawg [creator of the map] to choose starting locations.

Here are nation picks:

Zeldor - Arcoscephale
hoo - Bogarus
Omnirizon - Agartha
DonCorazon - T'ien Ch'i
Cleveland - Pangea
Ylvali - Atlantis [be lucky there is no R'lyeh and you are the only water nation]
Siyfka - Mictlan
FrozenFalcon - C'tis
Elswamio - Jomon
Firewalker - Patala
Heinrich - send me your pick, maybe Utgard? strong nation

[spacht]

Ok, if you still need players i would like to join this one as Marignon with Pythium as second choice.

[Zeldor]

You get Marignon then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Randvek]

I just lost my last newbie game, so I'm looking to add another one, I suppose. How's Pythium sound?

[Ylvali]

Just been playing around with LA Atlantis in SP. Seems like a real challenge, but fun. Even though there is great potential to get hold in the water you can´t recruit mages or decent troops there, So I won´t be able to just settle for lurking in the deep. I will have to get hold on land as well.

And LA mictlan has good potential for water domination too, as good as me I´d say. We´ll see when we meet.

On the other hand Atlantis can be a useful ally due to it´s ability to strike behind enemy lines. It sure will be an interesting position.

[Zeldor]

Randvek:

It is different nation, but certainly not weak. Sacred hydras can do a lot of harm to anything http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
And I need Pashadawg [creator of the map] to choose starting locations.




Just in case Pashadawg doesn't get back with updated start locations, I've attached a modified version of the Alexandria_no_sites map. It's been run through David Fidge's excellent Starting Locations Modifier (http://users.on.net/~dfidge/cgi-bin/dom3map.pl) with min_neighbors=5, and min_sea=3.

In summary, all provinces with fewer than 5 neighbors have been marked "no-start".

[Zeldor]

I've been speaking with Pasha and he should do it Monday-Tuesday. I don't want to make starting locations by myself because I play here. And random, even among good starting positions, is not a really fair solution - I don't want to repeat mistakes from Urapara, where Abysia got extremely good starting position.

[sansanjuan]

I'll take a slot if any are still open. Just let me know whatever nation would be a good fit for the map given the current picks (e.g. if you need an Ocean race, etc.) I'm mentally prepared to get thrashed a few times...
-SSJ

[Zeldor]

BTW Heidrich is not going to play.

sansanjuan:

Take what you want http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Free races:
Utgard [strong]
Midgard [strong]
Abysia [considered below average]
Caelum [well, less air, more death magic if I remember well]
Ulm [tin people teamed with vampires]
Man [not the one Man we know, they have nicer mages, can use communion and have crossbowmen too]

[sansanjuan]

Thanks. I'll Try Utgard.
-SSJ

Edit: Quick question. WIll CBM 1.21 mess up a Worthy Heros Game I just started?

[Zeldor]

No, why would it? Every game you start individually loads required mods. And new CBM has just WH 1.8 built in, there was no new version of WH.

[sansanjuan]

Roger that Z. Trying Mods and MP for the first time this week.. Was unsure if mods could become tangled up running different games with different mods on the same computer. I shan't worry my pretty little head.
-SSJ

Edit: so we're just waiting for the latest CB mod?

[Zeldor]

Yeah, I will force QM to release fixed version soon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Zeldor]

Ok, game is now closed.

Settings:
Map - Alexander
Game name - Alexandria
Mods - CBM 1.21 [when released]
Gold, Resources, Supplies - standard
Independents - 6
HoF - 15
Renaming - allowed
Research - normal
Score graphs - off
Victory condition - standard, we end the game when everyone agrees there is a winner

Players:
Zeldor - Arcoscephale
hoo - Bogarus
Omnirizon - Agartha
DonCorazon - T'ien Ch'i
Cleveland - Pangea
Ylvali - Atlantis [be lucky there is no R'lyeh and you are the only water nation]
Siyfka - Mictlan
FrozenFalcon - C'tis
Elswamio - Jomon
Firewalker - Patala
spacht - Marignon
Randvek - Pythium
sansanjuan - Utgard

Game will probably start on Wednesday or Thursday. 24h turns for first 20-30 turns, then 48h per turn, we can extend it to 72 if we get down to like 4-6 players.
There will be also break from 29th February till 3-5th March because of my travel to China.

[hoo]

How do we get the pretenders to you?

[Zeldor]

You will upload it on llamaserver, by e-mail. But I need for new CBM, because you need to activate the same mod that will be used in game while creating pretenders. I will write here when game on server is created and you can upload pretenders. Meanwhile test your nations and check what your opponents have. And check pretender designs, scales matter more in CBM so bless is more expensive. And some pretenders have changed a lot.

[Firewalker]

Zeldor;

Sorry if I missed something, but did the mod fixes get released? I went to the CBM thread and looked but didn't see any obvious announcements.

[EDIT: Oops, dumb question.]

[Zeldor]

No, not yet. QM told me it will be that week but I do not know exact date. I will write everyone a PM when that mod is released and game is started.

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
24h turns for first 20-30 turns, then 48h per turn, we can extend it to 72 if we get down to like 4-6 players.



Can we tack on +4 hrs to each hosting? I intend to play my turns @ the same time each night, and that can be a problem in 24hr quickhosts.

[Zeldor]

Why would it be? You do a turn every 24 hours, so there is no way you can miss a turn.

[cleveland]

Will it be quickhost?

[Zeldor]

Yes.

[llamabeast]

The problem you're thinking of, Cleveland, can be fixed by taking two turns in a row when the deadline creeps close to the time you take your turns. Then you are sorted for ages.

[Elswamio]

any updates on this game?

[cleveland]

Elswamio said:
any updates on this game?



Still waiting for the next version of CBM. It's frustrating, but it'll be well worth it.

Am I correct in assuming that Utterdark & Arcane Nexus will be fair game? Personally, I think that's good...banning spells is just silly.

[Zeldor]

No spells are banned. And I really really want that game started already, especially with all that postponed hosting in my other games.

[FrozenFalcon]

Globally annoying global enchantments can be countered by players massing astral pearls for one player to cast dispel. This raises the trust question, of course, but still, someone will have astral magic.

[Zeldor]

And I guess we will get new patch soon, fixing that ugly scale bug that can ruin games. And that bug is nasty to especially Utgard, Bogarus, Atlantis with their cold scale.

[Ylvali]

So, update is out. Can we start?

[sansanjuan]

Please post a link to the correct patch in this thread. Thnx.
-SSJ

[cleveland]

CBM 1.21 can be downloaded HERE (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=581685&page=0&view=&sb=5& o=&fpart=1&vc=1#Post581685) .

Mod installation is easy: unzip the file, copy all of it's contents to the Mods folder in your Dominions 3 directory, open the game, select Preferences-->Mod Preferences-->Conceptual Balance Mod.

This game will presumably begin later today, so I HIGHLY recommend practicing w/CBM asap; at least try out the new pretenders, most have been tweaked.

[Zeldor]

Yep, I hope we can upload pretenders today, max tomorrow. So you can make them ready. You know all settings, you know the mod http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[hoo]

I have my pretender made..what do i do next?

[sansanjuan]

Hoo,
Currently on www.llamaserver.net (http://www.llamaserver.net) the following games are in play. I believe our game will show up under "Games waiting for pretenders" as Alexandria. When that happens follow the instructions at this link.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showthreaded.php?Number=531116

Games waiting for pretenders:
Balance

Games currently running:
Acouchi
Agouti
BAG
Blessing
Capuchin
DoomChicken
Elli
EpicHeroesII
EpikBattel
Feohtan
Forseti
Highlander
Khaldun
KingOfTheIsle
Manatee
Marmoset
Sloth
SlowBoat
TigerCat
Urapara
ZyliDuel

[Zeldor]

Pasha had to manually place starting locations for us, and he had to do it few days ago. I do not want to do it myself because I am in that game and I could make better starting position for myself.

[Zeldor]

Ok, here is the map in attachment, unrar it into your maps folder. You still need .tga file from original map, here (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=573514&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

[hoo]

Bogarus prtender has been sent and is called "invalid nation name" I'm guessin I should have sent an email saying..

alexandria bogarus?

anyway my pretender is there.

[FrozenFalcon]

Zeldor, I think that players actually just need the tga file of the map. I may be wrong though.

[Zeldor]

.tga is image http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif .map file has information about borders, starting positions, etc.

hoo:

I guess there was no game with Bogarus yet, I will talk to llamabest about that.

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:battle for balanced glory



Not with these start locations...I propose we declare Acro the winner and save ourselves some trouble.

[Zeldor]

Haven't check them yet to be honest. I am Arco and I surely do not want to have uber starting position. If that is the fact I will talk to Pasha to repair it and we will restart.

[Omnirizon]

are we using the set starting locations?

I don't think that's a good idea, we will all know where the other players are, taking the majority of diplomacy and expansion strategy out of the game.

[Zeldor]

Omnirizon:

I don't think it will decrease diplomacy. MAybe make spies a bit less important, but with graphs off it should make interesting game.

Cleveland:

Hmm... look at TC, I think they have better location. But still - I do not want it to be unfair, so more people should look at it, we can still restart it and adjust starting positions a bit.

[Firewalker]

How do I see the actual start locations on the map? I loaded it into the map editor, but there nothing obvious. I must be missing something.

[Zeldor]

Firewalker:

Easiest way probably is to start game with all nations that will be here and set victory by VP and use only VPs per capitol, so every star will mark a capitol.

[cleveland]

If any noobs haven't read Sheap's MP tips, you will find this thread interesting:

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Number=511258

[PashaDawg]

Hi:

Unfortunately, Zeldor has caught me when I don't have a lot of time to manually do up a set of starting positions from scratch. I did the current set up quickly without knowing who was playing which nation. While it is true that Arco has a nice starting position, it is a wraparound map, and Arco needs to worry about Marignon, Jomon, Atlantis and Utgard.

If players agree that it is too unbalanced, then I'd suggest two things:

(1) start the game over and let the AI set the starting positions. There are several spots that are "no start" on the map, and so, I think there's a good chance that no one will get a "sucky" starting position.

(2) Zeldor or someone else could do up a set of manually placed starting positions that are assigned randomly by the AI. That way, no one will unintentionally favor himself/herself.

It's very easy to edit the map file. The command lines are in the map edit pdf that came with the game. The full list of nation #'s was updated in the modding pdf. Beware that the list states Jotunheim where it should state Jomon. The time consuming part is deciding where the starting positions will be.

As a third choice, I'd be happy to edit the map file, if someone else could tell me where the non-nation-specific starting positions should be. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Pasha

[DonCorazon]

Zeldor said:
Ok, here is the map in attachment, unrar it into your maps folder. You still need .tga file from original map, here (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=573514&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)





Can someone post the map in normal form - I don't seem to have whatever program "unrars". Thanks

[Omnirizon]

DonCorazon said:

Zeldor said:
Ok, here is the map in attachment, unrar it into your maps folder. You still need .tga file from original map, here (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=573514&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)





Can someone post the map in normal form - I don't seem to have whatever program "unrars". Thanks



winRAR is a shareware program that will unpack RAR. You should go ahead and install it, because it is a popular file format and you are bound to run across it many more times in your internet life. Better to have rather than having to always ask for a differently packed format.

http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm

If you do not plan to actually by winRAR after the "40 day trial", and have some moral objections to this, then there are plenty of freeware RAR unpackers. Look at the bottom of the wiki page for RAR, and it should list some.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAR_(file_format)

[Zeldor]

DonCorazon:

Unfortunately forum does not allow to attach .map file and forces me to .rar or .zip it.

[FrozenFalcon]

Zeldor: yes, the tga-file is the picture of the map, and it is the only file the players will need (apparently turn file contains all information they need about the game). The calculations happen in wholy different server, so players do not need the map file. This is useful when editing a map (like has been done here) so everyone do not have to download it.

[hoo]

Jomon and Arco need to upload their pretenders.

Let's just go ahead and play without modding the map. Which means, that I'm very thankful Caelum isn't in the game. There's gonna be some quick ugly fireworks happening in the center of the map.

[cleveland]

hoo said:
Let's just go ahead and play without modding the map.



Agreed. Let's go.

[Zeldor]

Sending mine in a moment.


I am not at home right now, so someone please notify llamabeast if we have all players, so game can start.

P.S. Most lucky nations are rather Atlantis and Mictlan as they only nations with good water units [Mictlan even has blessed atlantians].

[Randvek]

Center of the map? With wraparounds, I can never tell where the center is!

[cleveland]

Elswamio - Jomon - is the only one left to submit their pretender.

[hoo]

"Elswamio - Jomon - is the only one left to submit their pretender. "

Is Els, still interested in playing? Like to get started sooner rather than later...

[cleveland]

I certainly don't blame him for losing interest, we've got to be setting some kind of record for the longest MP setup time in the history of Dom3 (three weeks tomorrow!).

Zeldor, I suggest PM-ing llamabeast with the green-light to start. If Jomon gets a pretender in before hosting, great; actually, as I understand, llamabeast is a bit behind schedule, so it'll be a race of sorts.

[Zeldor]

hoo:I hope not, he does not seem to be here, cause I didn't get a read receipt for my message yet.

Cleveland:
Hmm... I will wait few hour before doing that or tell llamabeast to start in the morning, gmt time. Arcoscephale and Pangea woul probably be most happy if there was no Jomon.

[cleveland]

Zeldor, this game doesn't seem to have a serious start-date in sight. If it isn't running by this evening, I'm going to have to respectfully withdraw.
cleveland

[llamabeast]

If I'm thinking of the correct game, Zeldor has PMed me to ask me to start it, so I will do so this evening.

[Zeldor]

Yep, even 2 PMs http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

We should get the new patch soon, so new nice features before we have any wars.

Cleveland:
I fully agree, it was way too long to start it, due to many things. But let's have fun anyway http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I still think we will be in that game in few months time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[cleveland]

Fair enough. Forgive my frustration.

[llamabeast]

In response to something a couple of pages ago: Players only need the .tga file for the map, while the host needs the .map file as well.

Starting the game in a few minutes... (just gathering the map, mods etc).

[llamabeast]

Fixed the Bogarus bug (the LlamaServer had never seen Bogarus before, so they had to be introduced).

[llamabeast]

Hooray! Started!

[Zeldor]

Why VPs on the map? I am sure they are not active, but still, confusing [same problem was in Urapara].

[llamabeast]

They are not active, but yes, they are confusing. They do generate some dominion for the owner, apparently the same as a dom-5 temple (i.e. on average half a candle per round).

[PashaDawg]

Why are there VPs? I don't think the version of the map file I gave to Zeldor included any specified VP provinces. Am I mistaken?

Pasha

[FrozenFalcon]

We may need to restart. The game complains my turn file is corrupt; I suspect that the reason for this is that I made my god with only CB-mod version 1.2 (I actually downloaded the new version but didn't move the .dm file to right directory, and did not select the new version of the mod). First turn went fine, but I cannot do my next turn. I'm sorry about this, but I cannot really participate to this game without restart.

[cleveland]

Have you tried installing 1.21?

[llamabeast]

What do you mean your turn file is corrupt? I don't think your explanation is a likely one FrozenFalcon (it would have complained and accused you of cheating immediately if your god was dodgy).

I will try manually resending you your turn file. Occasionally, and utterly inexplicably, that helps.

Pasha - it's a quirk of Dominions that games started from the command line have VPs. Although I suspect I may have found a workaround. I've never paid it much attention because it's never bothered me, but maybe it's worth playinh with if it bothers other people.

[FrozenFalcon]

The resent file works. Hopefully this problem won't reoccur.

[cleveland]

Glad that's cleared up, thanks for the help llamabeast.

So we're on 24-hr hosting now? Seems turns are due in 4 hrs...

[Zeldor]

Please people try to do your turns ASAP, we are now waiting for Atlantis only... Making turn now is 2 minutes only. Though I got some bad luck with indie reinforcements and lost prophet already. That is fast.

[Randvek]

Dang, I really should have taken the scale bug more seriously. It's killing me this early.

[Zeldor]

Yep, that is really ugly. But patch should be already out, so I think we will get it that week, though I guess it won't instantenously restore broken scales. Atlantis, Utgard will probably suffer most.

[Firewalker]

Hmm, my prophet picked up Legendary Cruelty. This should make for some interesting role playing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[Zeldor]

I wish my prophet was alive http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[hoo]

"I wish my prophet was alive "

Well, I wish your pretender was dead! Lot of awake pretenders showing up in the hall of fame and they scare me.

[sansanjuan]

Edit: meant to PM this message...
Sheepishly,
SSJ

[Ylvali]

Zeldor said:
Yep, that is really ugly. But patch should be already out, so I think we will get it that week, though I guess it won't instantenously restore broken scales. Atlantis , Utgard will probably suffer most.



Well, I havent noticed any bug so far. My scales are fine.

[Zeldor]

Scales vanish in a province that does not have friendly dominion in every of its neighbours. So you will notice it when enemy dominion get close.

[Ylvali]

Is that always so in all games or just sometimes?

I have never heard of this before (newbie)

[Zeldor]

Yes, good scales vanish like that since last patch, though it is already fixed and new patch should be released soon.

[DonCorazon]

Anyway I can get like a 2 hour extension on this turn? I am normally super fast but had an all-nighter at work last night...

[DonCorazon]

Nevermind, made it home.

[Ylvali]

I´m going away saturday, would you be okay with postoning eventual hosting during saturday to sunday afternoon?

[spacht]

First your prophet got killed, now your pretender. What is happening over there, Zeldor?

[Zeldor]

Man, I am so out of luck :/ I forgot that he gets regeneration now like a province he comes from but of province where he goes into, he was going from my high dominion into enemy dominion.

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
he was going from my high dominion into enemy dominion



Why do you accuse Pangaea of being your enemy? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I assume hosting will now be postponed until you get back from China? If so, have a great trip.

[Zeldor]

Well, black candles, is it better? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

About postponing, we will see, I can play a turn tomorrow morning, so we can have 1-2 more turns before break.

[Ylvali]

Well it seems I have to leave tonight... I guess I´ll have to live with staling. I´ll be back sunday at 11:30. I couldn´t find a sub so...

[cleveland]

Zeldor: just put the game on hold, there's no need to stale.

[Zeldor]

Ylvali:

Nah, no staling! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I will postpone hosting by 9999999999999999 hours, but we should get a new turn on monday http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Some people have hostile intentions already, so it may be interesting.

[DonCorazon]

Note to self: don't set force consisting entirely of archers to target enemy archers who happen to also have poisonous hydras.

Very sad to see my guys standing in noxious clouds taking pot shots into the distance.

[Randvek]

As if your archers could have done anything to my glorious hydras. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[DonCorazon]

They were pretty glorious.
I had always wondered why so-called "giant" Hydras only had the 6HP that show up on the recruitment screen. Now I know, after lopping off a few heads, that those are the per Lesser Head HP, and even after cutting off a few of those you still have to take off the big head at ~ 25HP.

Moral of the story is we will be staying out of the swamps of Pythium...

[DonCorazon]

Do those heads grow back btw?

[cleveland]

DonCorazon said:
Do those heads grow back btw?



You bet. Nasty little bastards.

[cleveland]

Welcome back, Ylvali.

[Randvek]

Pythium is looking to pick up a few Water and Death gems (about 10 of each). I have mostly Nature to trade, but can spare a few Astral, too. Anyone interested? Drop me a PM on the forum.

[Zeldor]

After that tur we get back to normal hosting, I have internet access now. And it is quite hot in China now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[cleveland]

Sorry everyone, I'm waiting on Arcoscephale to reply to a PM.

Come on, Zeldor, what's it going to be?

[PashaDawg]

How's the game going? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Omnirizon]

I bit hard to tell, I think. No graphs on, so no easy way to gauge progress.

If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say were right on course though, steaming at full speed towards the precipice of all out war. But I could be wrong.

[cleveland]

ILION, Alexandria, Late Spring of Year 2 - Peace negotiations between Arcoscephale and Pangaea have collapsed, and a de facto state of war exists between the two nations.

Relations have been strained since Arcoscephale made a bold yet unsuccessful attempt to exclude Western nations from its continent: In an operation that analysts are terming "A Farmland Too Far," Arcroscephale's own pretender rushed toward strategically vital Byzantion (224), only to be stopped dead in his tracks - literally - by Byzantion's fiercely independent inhabitants (click image below).

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2408/alexandriaeu6.th.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alexandriaeu6.jpg)
<font color="blue"> X - Arcoscephale (126) </font>
<font color="green"> X - Pangaea (258) </font>
<font color="red"> X - Byzantion (224) </font>
X - Agartha (243)
<font color="purple"> X - C'tis (287) </font>

"Arcoscephale already has substantially more room to expand than any other nation. Allowing him to control all of the Lands of Jomon (whoever that is) without resistance was unthinkable," said General Sophipania of Pangaea. "The decision was made to repel this aggressor before he took an insurmountable lead."

Indeed earlier this month, Pangaean special forces launched a surprise raid on the fertile farmland of Ilion (202), conquering the province and halting construction of an elaborate Arcoscephalian Fortified City. Pangaean diplomats then approached Arcoscephale with an offer of peace and a proposal for fair &amp; sustainable boarders.

Negotiations lasted well into the night before finally breaking down early this morning.

Both nations are expected to fall behind on research and expansion, though Arcoscephale appears to be worse-off: "Arcoscephale's 4 other neighbors - Marignon, Atlantis, Utgard, and Agartha - all must be licking their chops right now, eager to carve into the expansive frontier that Arco would have been expected to conquer. I'm sure they recognize the opportunity they have - with Arco's pretender MIA and all his forces tied down in the Northeast - to limit the damage of Arco's wildly advantageous starting position," one pundit said.

(AP - Alexandria Press)

[Omnirizon]

thanks for the update cleveland. I've always had a healthy skepticism of the press though; they usually have an agenda. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

on a different note, it has been well over 48 hours now. arco's pretender isn't the only leader of that nation who's MIA.

[Randvek]

Ah, good to hear about wars close to me that I'm not involved in. Yet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

[cleveland]

Omnirizon said:
I've always had a healthy skepticism of the press though; they usually have an agenda.



"All The Propaganda That's Fit To Print"

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[DonCorazon]

cleveland said: I'm sure they recognize the opportunity they have - with Arco's pretender MIA and all his forces tied down in the Northeast - to limit the damage of Arco's wildly advantageous starting position," one pundit said.

(AP - Alexandria Press)



And that one pundit would be...Cleveland?

[Omnirizon]

Not to be too terribly impatient, and I can understand any legitimate reason, but why is the game being delayed?

We are moving into hour 64 for this turn now.

[Zeldor]

Oh, sorry for that. I have just realised I did not submit my turn - I did send 2 turns for another game instead of it. Sending it in a moment and we get back to 30h hosting time.

[cleveland]

The 3.15 patch has been released (!)

Llamaserver has been updated to 3.15, your questions will be answered here:
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=585784&amp;page=0&amp;view=collap sed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=1

Hilariously, this game was announced at the release of the last patch, and we've managed to get in a whopping 14 turns.

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
Economists of Arcoscephale have decided to give the following rewards for war with Pangea [sic]:

- 100 gold for every temple destroyed
- 150 gold for every lab destroyed
- 400 gold for every castle razed or stormed and kept till the end
- 1000! gold for killing pretender
- 250 gold for killing prophet
- 75 gold for every national mage, more for capital only ones
- 25 gold for every national non-mage commander, excluding spies
- 10 gold for every national spy killed
- 3 gold for every national unit killed
- 100 gold for every turn of sieging pangean [sic] capitol



***TERMS AND CONDITIONS APPLY, SEE STORE FOR DETAILS***





...mark my words... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[FrozenFalcon]

I questioned my people about this proposal, but the lizards think that gold is useless as a construction material, poor nutritional value for a food, and a little bit too heavy and soft for weapons too.

[Omnirizon]

so slow.

disillusionment setting in.

turns... where are the turns?

[sansanjuan]

Omni,
That was almost Haiku-ish. My turn.

Site searching
Barbarians uprise
Mage butter

or

The battle joins
200 crossbows!?
[censored]

-SSJ

[Omnirizon]

nice ssj. I like.

and, BTW
good god. SAVE THE DAY.
a new turn made its way
into my lovely inbox

[Zeldor]

Evil intentions of cleveland are rather obvious now. Casting globals before anyone is close to researching dispel, not nice, not nice.

[Omnirizon]

I didn't realize Carrion Woods was made a level 0 spell. That's a HUGE change, CBM Mod. going from a level 7, clearly late-mid game spell, to one that can be cast by the 15th turn!

I hope the CBM designers know what they're doing.

[Randvek]

Well, if Carrion Woods turns out to be a problem, I have no doubt that Pan's neighbors will fell little remorse in ganging up on him.

Arco's proposal looks a lot better now, doesn't it? /threads/images/Graemlins/Lightning.gif

[Zeldor]

I will remind everyone that with so far to research dispel killing Pan pretender is the way to do the dispelling. And there is nice reward for that from Arcoscephale http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[cleveland]

Omnirizon said:
going from a level 7, clearly late-mid game spell



It ain't exactly Arcane Nexus...read about it in the Conceptual Balance thread.

On a different note, what happened to 30hr hosting? We seem to be on 48hr. Also, it's common courtesy to play your turns back-to-back if you're last to submit.

[Zeldor]

There are few wars already going on, just some others are not so willing to say about them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Randvek]

Yeah, hard to figure out who we are rooting for in the Pan/Arco war. One has a global, one is pokey with his turns. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[sansanjuan]

I second that... Zeldor? I'd prefer to make my mistakes much quicker....
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/yawn.gif

(I do appreciate you starting this game but being the last duck in the boat 10 times in a row....)

Next turn due: 03:25 GMT on Monday March 10th

C'tis 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Patala 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
Atlantis 2h file received
Arcoscephale Waiting for 2h file
Bogarus 2h file received
Mictlan 2h file received
Pythium 2h file received
Utgard 2h file received
Pangaea 2h file received


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Last updated at 02:10 GMT on Sunday March 9th.
Current time: 02:13 GMT

[Firewalker]

There is a smell that has been blowing across the seas from the West ... it has been irritating the Nagas for some time now. Finally, its origin has been found -- the lands of Utgard. These odorous giants will need to be cleaned up. Or at least so says the prophet Amitatman.

He took a company of Naga warriors and went fishing in the seas. While he has taken to the taste of Ichtyids, he was suffering through a meal of Tritons when -- having surfaced for some fresh air to cure his nausea -- he encountered the giant smell blowing off of the coast to his north. Needless to say, his illness only became more acute. So he has decided to conquer those lands out of spite. He's a brash snake-man, to say the least.

I advice the giants in Utgard to brace themselves. There will be plenty of hissing coming your way!

[OOC: How's that for a fabricated casus belli!]

[sansanjuan]

The brash snakemen will find the smell of the giants isn't nearly as strong as a blessed Jotun Battle Axe. Let their last sight be looking up into an immense hairy armpit connected to 50 pounds of sharpened steel. Perhaps a silver tongue has encourged your ardor? Do tell.

ooc (where from in MN?)

[Kuritza]

Indeed, wrong tread.

[Zeldor]

I have strange feeling someone wandered into wrong thread http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[sansanjuan]

Utgard will *handsomely* reward any nation that will trade for items that enable large groups of giants to breath under the seas and turn the sea snakes into chum. You may contact the Utgard advisor privately and your assistance with be held in the highest confidence.

- Advisor to Utgard

ooc- gotta love the arms race aspect of this game !

[cleveland]

Wanted!

1 Amulet of Antimagic

Offer:
If it's delivered NEXT TURN (#19), I will pay 10 Nature gems.
Otherwise, I'll pay 7 Nature gems.

PM me if interested.
Pangaea

<font color="red">Edit: order filled! But I'm always in the market for more AoAs, so if you're still looking to sell one, PM me. I'm certainly willing to negotiate trades for level-1 Earth, Death, or Nature items (e.g. cat charm...) </font>

[DonCorazon]

cleveland said:
Wanted!

1 Amulet of Antimagic

Offer:
If it's delivered NEXT TURN (#19), I will pay 10 Nature gems.
Otherwise, I'll pay 7 Nature gems.

PM me if interested.
Pangaea



Can't escape high pressure sales even in the world of Dominions!

[cleveland]

My request for an Amulet of Antimagic has been fulfilled. But...

FOR SALE!

Dwarven Hammers

No reasonable offer will be refused! PM me if interested.

[Firewalker]

There is grumbling among the Nagas that the prophet is becoming a monster. He was overheard remarking that Huskarls taste as bad as they smell. The Warriors look the other way at his dishonorable habit of devouring his enemies alive with the conviction that his growing evil will be dealt with upon the advent of the True God, Circe.

[cleveland]

I MAY be slow with my turns this weekend, so I'd like to apologize in advance. I have a houseguest arriving Saturday afternoon and staying until Tuesday evening (US), during which I'll have limited time to play.

I'll certainly do my best to get my turns in, but again, I apologize in advance if that's not possible.

Pangaea

[Randvek]

Possibility C'Tis is going to stall this turn, which is odd because I could have sworn he uploaded a turn earlier and we were just waiting on Arco. Is my mind playing tricks on me, or did something happen?

[DonCorazon]

Your mind is playing tricks.

[Zeldor]

Staling so early is not good.


Cleveland: If you need it postponed, just write http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[FrozenFalcon]

I also could have sworn that I posted the turn. Luckily, I reposted it just in time.

[sansanjuan]

I'm so bleed'n absentminded I tend to post an almost thoughtless turn right away in case RL has a surprise for me and I might stale. I follow with a hopefully more leisurely considered turn much later.
-SSJ

[Randvek]

See? I'm not crazy. Neener neener, DonCorazon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[DonCorazon]

The Pythium swamp gas has gone to your head Randvek - you are totally delusional!!!
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
Staling so early is not good.

Cleveland: If you need it postponed, just write http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Thank you, sir. I should be able to get my next turn in if we host before morning, though I'm not so sure I want to see what the results will be... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Zeldor]

You are winning the war so far http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Omnirizon]

R

[Zeldor]

Argh, I am extremely unlucky in that game [and that is not tha battle in north]. Anyone wants to take over? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Omnirizon]

Argathan laboratories are currently seeking air gems. All reasonable offers considered. Please direct your correspondence to:

Rod, director of Argathan laboratory inventory
Argatha, Argatha
First cave on the left, behind the big boulder of granite
(warn your postmasters to watch out for cave drakes, it is their mating season right now)

[Zeldor]

Hmm... isn;t it Agartha?

[Omnirizon]

yes. they're quite dangerous, and get zealous during mating season. usually docile, they may chase after an unwary interloper during this time. but they are very slow. any half-witted postman could outrun one.

[Omnirizon]

I

[Omnirizon]

someone takes their 48 hours very very seriously.

[DonCorazon]

there is one in every crowd.

[sansanjuan]

I will be on a cruise (woohoo) starting Sunday 3/23 till 3/20. I do plan on logging in and taking my turns but my PMs may be pretty short.
-SSJ

[cleveland]

sansanjuan said:
3/23 till 3/20




Trip around the world? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


Hope you have a good time.

[sansanjuan]

Just the Southern Caribbean (leaving from San Juan). The wife and kids are with me so there will be spousal enforcement of a six umbrella drink maximum per day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif If the Utgard Giants start rampaging wildly next week there may be rum involved...

Thanks for asking!
-SSJ

[Firewalker]

I wouldn't blame the giants for getting a little enraged, having snakes in their yard that they cannot catch. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Have a good time on your voyage!

[sansanjuan]

Thanks Firewalker. I am enjoying this game no matter what the final outcome. Seeing the snakes crawl around my provinces makes me wish my giants had fangs despite all my trash talk...
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif-SSJ

[cleveland]

1 Dwarven Hammer available for immediate delivery! Will be in your treasury next turn (#24)!

Price: 20 gems, any combination (3 slaves = 1 gem)

First-come, first-served...PM me.

[Ylvali]

Can we have a pause for easter? Friday til sunday. I´ll be doin family stuff and such and I figure some others here would be busy too...

[DonCorazon]

That would be great for me too.

[Zeldor]

No problem. After that turn or including that?

[cleveland]

Interesting...

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=589002&amp;page=0&amp;view=collap sed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=1

[Omnirizon]

i'm not sure if i should cheer or shake my head in exasperation.

[Randvek]

Hm, does this mean the Arco/Pan war may be over?

[Omnirizon]

more importantly, does it mean we can get turns done faster than every 47.86 hours.

*sigh*

I know we're on hold for easter, but it would've been nice to have a new turn to muse over while we're on hold. wishful thinking.

[DonCorazon]

every game i am in seems like at least one player vanishes or is continuously last and i tell myself i am going to try to some how establish a league of fairly reliable, relatively quick players.

[Randvek]

I've been pondering the merits of trying to get a 24-hour hosting game that doesn't delay - for anything. You get sick? Find a sub or stale your turn.

Harsh, but I wonder if people would be up for it.

Sorry for the complete tangent there.

[Omnirizon]

it isn't an issue of spot delays.

it is an issue that this game has been on a 48 hour timer since something like turn 5.

it is an issue that the culprit of this delay was none other than the host and admin, who had set a ground rule (check post one) of 24 hour timer for first 20 turns.

it is an issue that this person has consistently been the SOLE reason of delay.

it is an issue that this person used their host/admin privlege to adjust the timing of the game to their own whims (that is, bump up to a 48 hour timer without ever having consulted anybody else in the game)

it is an issue that all this behavior, taken together, is simply rude and inconsiderate.

sorry Zeldor. but that's all been on my chest for some time now. had to mention it all; it's better for the long run. nothing personal.

[Zeldor]

My Internet is down and I cannot do my turn now and there is nothing I can do about it till Monday.

[Zeldor]

Ok, it works.

Omnirizon:

I have never used my host rights to help me in any way. There are no statistics, but I think that Bogarus was last most of the time.

I know I am last way too often even though, I am trying to find a sub for me, but without luck. IF you guys can find someone on my place I will be happy to give my place away.

And rules were simple - 24 hours till wars, 48 hours with wars. That is not my fault that cleveland just cannot live with lost war against me in previous game. We did fight for 40-50 turns there and it will be like that here, I guess.

[Omnirizon]

your attention to detail is breathtaking.

BTW, you forgot to send me those pearls again. how many turns in a row now?

[Zeldor]

After you declared the war? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Omnirizon]

you had promised to send them last turn. so I sent me war dec then too. I should've received them two turns ago anyway. why don't you pony up and ship em.

[Zeldor]

I will bring them around when sieging your capitol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Omnirizon]

We'll be waiting.

[Firewalker]

Well, Zeldor, if you cannot find a sub after a few turns, and you really don't want to play anymore, you should probably AI yourself. I mean, how many turns have you been looking?

Anyway, no hard feelings here -- I'm getting into two endgames now and it takes long enough to do those turns. 48hr turns are fine with me.

[Omnirizon]

send me the gems you owe me before AI'ing though. Or I'm going to start a thread telling everybody your actually a little girl.

[Zeldor]

Why would I send gems to my enemy? :| Really, really, start thinking be you write something.

[Zeldor]

You won't see me long in that game anyway http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Atlantis - my ally, decided to stab me in the back and take some of my lands. Great way to make friends. I wonder who will want to sing any treaties with him now? Anyway, he will have to summon his PoD again... and I guess he is the one without astral magic to prevent mind hunts http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ylvali]

Sigh.

Zeldor, you attacked me first. You went underwater with your wyrm and took one of my provinces. YOU broke the NAP. If there is a misunderstanding we could talk about it, but I thought you meant to declare a war with that attack. Honestly I don´t understand how you think.

[Zeldor]

Funny. When I was trying to contact you for last week there was no reaction. But when you tried to kill my pretender and failed and I put that information here you are suddenly here to talk.

[hoo]

couple of things:

1) I, Bogarus, have very rarely been the last player. Usually I'm among the last 3 but I'm usually not the last.

2) Trying to get a trade honored after you declare war on someone is a lot of guts.

3) 48 hours is pretty good for turns. Especially for folks in wars and are coordinating trades etc.

4) Bogarus is interesting but the infantry sucks.

[cleveland]

SPARTA, Alexandria, Late Spring of Year 3 - Oltarnees, serpentine pretender of Arcoscephale, has again been slain.

The mighty Wyrm arose from the sea in a rear guard action, attempting to open a new front on the previously quiet Southern boarder in the Pan-Arco war.

But Pangaean National Guardmanikins mustered a stalwart defense, overwhelming the beast before it could cause a single casualty.

A (second) memorial has been erected in the Hall of Fame in honor of Oltarnees.

(AP)

[Zeldor]

cleveland:

I totally forgot that fear does not work against undead.

And how many manikins you already have? 1000? 2000? 5000?

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
And how many manikins you already have? 1000? 2000? 5000?



A rough estimate puts me at 470 +/- 20, though as you know, it's not too difficult to decrease that number... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Ylvali]

Zeldor said:
Funny. When I was trying to contact you for last week there was no reaction. But when you tried to kill my pretender and failed and I put that information here you are suddenly here to talk.



You sent me a pm last week which I missed because I´ve been busy. In that pm you proposed some agreement about the waters. You must´ve taken my silence for a yes. Truth is I haven´t given this game much attention at all, partially because it ran to slow to keep up motivation.

To me it seemed you attacked me for no reason. So I attacked you back and underlined that with a message to add some roleplay.

So the whole thing is a misunderstanding and I cannot see why you need to make a big hassle and send me pms telling me how I will be "doomed in every MP game now" and "no one will trust you". You start a newbie game and that is how you treat the newbies?

I think that kind of personal attack ruins the game completely. I don´t want to involve any feeling but fun when I play dominions. It is just a game after all. A toy for big kids.

You have ruined the fun of this Alexandria game and that means I´ll put this toy away. I am not prepared to play when players take in-game stuff out of the game and make a personal RL conflict out of it. I will call for a sub and focus on other games instead.

And I can only hope you are mature enough to put this behind you and meet on a proper level in future games.

EDIT: I got a bit angry when I wrote this, prhaps I´m overreacting. I´ll chill out and maybe be back to play again.

[DonCorazon]

Yvali, Don't worry about it - no offense to Z but I don't take his accusations seriously (and I am guessing I am not the only one). There was a similar "communication" issue early on in in Urapara. You are a trusted and loved member of the game - I hope you will keep playing. Tien Chi loves fish after all!

[Ylvali]

Thanks for that DonCorazon, I´ll be staying.

The "hall of shame" thread was a bit too much though...

[DonCorazon]

Yeah, I have some thoughts on that as well but generally try to avoid being a controversy generator. As you said, it is just a game. Let it just be said that I find that particular post highly ironic.

[Firewalker]

A conversation overheard somewhere in the Nariun Sea by a particularly sentient seagull flying by:

Nagini: "If you could just keep this appetite for Huskarls under control we wouldn't be ..."

Nagaraja: "No one mentioned that it SNOWS in those mountains at this time of year?! You know how sllloooowww Nagas get in the winter time -- it's time to sleep!"

Nagini: "Oh, why don't you just eat a shambler and shut up while we swim back to a nice warm lake somewhere back home!"

Nagaraja: "Hah! Not for long: I'll have Jotun Woodsman on a plate before this is OVER!"

[A shambler whimpers as it is bitten by the Nagaraja.]

Needless to say, the Seagull nearly fell out of the sky laughing to itself. The shamblers however did not look very amused.

[Randvek]

Wanted: one Bag of Winds or a Winged Helmet.

Willing to trade: any Nature item forgable under Cons 6, including a Serpent Kriss, Hydra Skin Armor, Green Dragon Scale Mail, or the highly coveted Tree Lord's Staff. I can discuss non-Nature items, but am pretty limited by gems.

[sansanjuan]

Firewalker said:
A conversation overheard somewhere in the Nariun Sea by a particularly sentient seagull flying by:

Nagini: "If you could just keep this appetite for Huskarls under control we wouldn't be ..."

Nagaraja: "No one mentioned that it SNOWS in those mountains at this time of year?! You know how sllloooowww Nagas get in the winter time -- it's time to sleep!"

Nagini: "Oh, why don't you just eat a shambler and shut up while we swim back to a nice warm lake somewhere back home!"

Nagaraja: "Hah! Not for long: I'll have Jotun Woodsman on a plate before this is OVER!"

[A shambler whimpers as it is bitten by the Nagaraja.]

Needless to say, the Seagull nearly fell out of the sky laughing to itself. The shamblers however did not look very amused.



Those Huskarls did manage to give the Naga's a bit of indigestion this week with the help of their larger kin ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Sometimes I manage to have a nice battle in spite of my crappy troop placement and troop mix.

-SSJ

PS My bandwidth on the ship reached speeds typical of 1996 today. Thought I'd jump on the forum.

[Zeldor]

Not last that time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I am really curious how Ylvali plans to survive here. Not the strongest nations that needs allies, but he prefers to backstab them.

[cleveland]

I vote to delay the turn...no need to have 2 stalls.

[FrozenFalcon]

My armies have been struck down by Marignon, and I have practically no chance to rise again, so I'll put AI control on and wish you all good game.

[Zeldor]

Heh, too late. Strange that people stale on 48h turn without any word...

If they will plan to stale next turn though I will look closely and delay it, cause it will be serious problem.

[spacht]

I really enjoyed our fight, FrozenFalcon. In the end all that priestly power was a little hard on your undead although at least you managed to kill Carmont the obese cardinal http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Looking forward to seeing you in another game.

[Zeldor]

Funny, having 1:3 war for some time I am not the first one to die.