Ummh

[Dedas]

Have you seen the new ad for Dom3?

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

[Ballbarian]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Cor2]

I don't get it and I don't like it, hope my wife doesn't see it.

[Omnirizon]

I think it may be an attempt to break away from the stodgy emotional homosexuality that plagues war games.

I think it merely substitutes emotional homosexuality with the emotional unisexuality that plagues every other video game though.

still it is nice to see the attempt. I don't find it offensive. Its unusualness in this sort of context (stodgy war/strategy game site) is kind of refreshing. I hope you and your spouses can all see the quirky humor in it. It's funny. Don't you like jokes?

[Sombre]

Reminds me of an advert for Golden Orb motherboard fans.

They had a naked female model sitting in a computer chair with her legs crossed covering her breasts with her hands, while a powerful fan blew her hair back. That was it, the whole advert. Golden Orb fans, buy them because LOOK A NAKED WOMAN.

Lazy, stupid, childish.


As for this advert, I have to go with Cor2. I don't get it. Why does this woman want Dominions 3? Generally speaking if you've made an advert where your product name is completely interchangeable with any other, you've messed up.

I want my Bacon Sandwich.
I want my Holsten Pils.
I want my Rotary Blender.
I want my Oxfam Donation Pack.
I want my Life Insurance Policy.
I want my Evolution Lancer.
I want my 2 Year Diploma.
I want my Bog Beast.

[Duncan_Frost]

Where can I see this advert?!

[Dedas]

Refresh this page until you see it at the top.

[Omnirizon]

your still not placing it in the correct context. of course the content is completely interchangable; but that's not the point.

This is all about medium and texture over content and substance. This is modernism attacking the established order of the enlightenment's orthodoxy. War/strategy games have always been very stodgy, orthodox, with a slight distaste for all of those "low" games of the masses; simplistic action games and such whose advertisements ARE flashy and suggestive. War/strategy advertisements are about how realistic they are, and portray pictures and symbols emphasizing their history, tradition, accuracy, and high quality.

Now here is Dom3's advertisement. What do you see? Is it WinBattle Tanks "We are so realistic the REAL army uses our game to train"? Nope. Is it Raging Tiger's or Falkland's emphasis on history, war, and battle? Nope. These are symbols of the War/Strategy orthodoxy. Dom3's advertisement is a woman looking back at you, legs in a suggestive position, asking for her Dom3. There is NO substance in that, but there isn't supposed to be. If you don't get it, it is because you are too caught up in the orthodoxy of war/strategy. It is all about the attack on that orthodoxy, portraying EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what war/strategy is all about.

I'm not arguing that it is a great idea to run that ad, but I think its point is to seperate Dom3 from the war/strategy orthodoxy. In that sense it is a very modernist ad; I think its imagery is deliberate, and not so shallow as people suggest. It is aware of and utilizing its context and medium.

[Edratman]

Nice picture, but I don't get it. Of course,all of us who don't get it already have the game so it is quite likely someone is smart enough not to aim the marketing at us.

Then again, it might be a picture of KO making Megapatch 3.20.

[thejeff]

Give me a break. Sexy pictures are not an attack on any kind of advertising orthodoxy.

[Sombre]

Yeah I'm familiar with postmodernist theory. But in my measured opinion this isn't a clever juxtaposition of high and low revealing the absurd arbitrariness of artistic value. It's just a crap advert. I don't care how knowing or self mocking or ironic it supposed to be, it took longer for me to type this sentence than it did for them to come up with that ad. That's just lazy.

[Omnirizon]

well i'm studying Pmod theory right now. so I enjoy taking opportunities to exercise its perspective. helps me digest what I read http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

to thejeff: it isn't the attack on advertising orthodoxy, it is the attack on war/strategy orthodoxy.

[Dedas]

Give them a break. I think it is a pretty brave thing to do in their position. I'm with Omnirizon on this.

As for the nakedness it is just a nipple, I see that every day. Both for real and in the history books I'm reading at the moment.

[cupido2]

Cupido likes women. Cupido likes Dominions3. So Cupido likes the ad. But that girl should really hug a bog beast or something dominionesque instead of just lying there and say "I love my Dominions 3".

Huh?! Did I miss something? There's a nipple? Where? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif You mean that cushion? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Omnirizon]

another way of looking at it would be along the lines of what edratum suggested. it is pure marketing forced by capitalist endeavor. I don't want to open that can of worms. But while some Pmod critics claim that modernism is more of a 'counterfeit culture' than an actual 'counter culture' (similar to Sombre's position), others claim that fault lies not with modernism or Pmodernism, but with capitalism. Capitalism creates the necessity for the boundlessness reflected in modernism.

[CUnknown]

I had to blink a couple times to realize that wasn't a bare nipple, myself. At first glance she looks naked.

[Endoperez]

Wow, it IS official. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

I don't know what I should think about that, but in case anyone else wonders... Yes, it does appear as one of the ads on top of the page, eventually.

[lch]

It's already Tuesday in Taiwan!

[johan osterman]

lch said:
It's already Tuesday in Taiwan!


Good point.

[Cerlin]

I agree, She should be hugging a bog beast, or a cyclops doll (talk about suggestive..) or something. But I mean hey, its not like you can show the battle graphics and say "best looking game award 1985!"

Its hard to advertise "THE DEEPEST STRAT GAME YOU HAVE EVER PLAYED!!"

but I agree. I like women, and boobs. but I have a girlfriend, I dont need an add with one. :O though it is especially humorous

Edit: It should at least say something like "Dominions 3: With 10% more women!" (because we added a new faction of giant women or something)

[sansanjuan]

Dedas said:
Have you seen the new ad for Dom3?

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif



I think many of you may be missing the fact that the ad is targetting pretty blond women that like to hang out in comfortable clothes and play PBEM strategy games. It is a viable demographic with plenty of discretionary income. As the forum soon fills with blond women we will hear "Bambi whipped my Ulm butt with her GOR Tartarian Monstrum" ... and the like.

-SSJ

[Foodstamp]

lch said:
It's already Tuesday in Taiwan!



This guy figured it out.

[Sir_Dr_D]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I thought the add was funny.

So where do Dominion 3 players like her hang out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[moderation]

http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Banners_2004/IWantMyD3.jpg if you can't get it to load.

I dunno about the ad. It doesn't explain anything about what Dominions 3 is. I suppose given the context this being a wargamer board, it's interesting, but why not have her playing Dom 3? I think that would be way cooler. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Are there any girls that play Dom 3 though? I have a feeling this game is just too geeky, but I would be glad to hear if I am wrong about that.

Anyway is that ad still going to be around on Wednesday? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


Omnirizon said:
another way of looking at it would be along the lines of what edratum suggested. it is pure marketing forced by capitalist endeavor. I don't want to open that can of worms. But while some Pmod critics claim that modernism is more of a 'counterfeit culture' than an actual 'counter culture' (similar to Sombre's position), others claim that fault lies not with modernism or Pmodernism, but with capitalism. Capitalism creates the necessity for the boundlessness reflected in modernism.



Oh by the way, can someone translate this into English? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Just for the sake of exploring postmodernist theory, which I'm somewhat interested in, does Dominions 3 challenge the accepted order / master narrative in any meaningful way however it is advertised? I mean it's a fun indie game, but like you're conquering the world in Dom 3 just like every other 4X. I would love to see fighting for global domination in Dom 3 as cool and subversive, but I can't see how that could be. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Tuidjy]

That is one strategically placed cushion! Obviously a very appropriate ad for a strategy game.

[Ballbarian]

I clicked on the ad just to show that there were no hard feelings over the peel ad and to support my favorite grognards at Shrapnel. (It is worth noting that I am not one who normally clicks on ads. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif )

[Omnirizon]

moderation said:


Omnirizon said:
another way of looking at it would be along the lines of what edratum suggested. it is pure marketing forced by capitalist endeavor. I don't want to open that can of worms. But while some Pmod critics claim that modernism is more of a 'counterfeit culture' than an actual 'counter culture' (similar to Sombre's position), others claim that fault lies not with modernism or Pmodernism, but with capitalism. Capitalism creates the necessity for the boundlessness reflected in modernism.



Oh by the way, can someone translate this into English? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Just for the sake of exploring postmodernist theory, which I'm somewhat interested in, does Dominions 3 challenge the accepted order / master narrative in any meaningful way however it is advertised? I mean it's a fun indie game, but like you're conquering the world in Dom 3 just like every other 4X. I would love to see fighting for global domination in Dom 3 as cool and subversive, but I can't see how that could be. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



I think I used modernism/postmodernism somewhat confusingly, but that is because I was presenting two different viewpoints in one. I will break it down:

1. modernism is the result of modernity. Modernity is the result of the enlightenment (order and reason, that there is a thing such as reason, everything is knowable, everything is orderable; perfection is both possible and desirable).

1a. modernism is both a reaction against the enlightenment ideals of modernity, but rooted in them. It was a rage against order, but a celebration of individuality, freedom, and mass culture. These things are all the result of "universal man". Modernity, the enlightenment, created "universal man" in opposition to "situated man". Situated man is the non-universal, entrenched in tradition and the past; things the enlightenment believes corrupt true Reason. So modernity creates "universal man", a man of pure reason and universality. But now universal man is above the order that created him, he is universal, he has no reason to be beholden to whatever created him. He reacts against order using its own ideals of universality and freedom. Thus: Modernism.

2. Postmodernism is the result of postmodernity. Postmodernity is the result of modernism. It is the crass, limitless, fragmented, mass culture that modernism created, and that we are all comfortable with today.

2a. Some authors blame 'modernism' for the boundlessness of contemporary culture. They say capitalism worked just fine, it was the raucous modernism activity, the beatniks, the hippies, the radical movements, the permissiveness, that caused modernity to decay into postmodernity. These authors say modernism is dead, and it is time to return to the ordered ideals of the enlightenment. The enlightenment didn't fail, modernism did.

2b. Some authors blame 'capitalism' for the boundlessness of contemporary culture. They say modernism was a solution to mass growth of urban life and culture. But that capitalism, not modernism, created and encouraged the permissiveness and boundlessness of contemporary culture. Capitalism had an unquenchable need to accumulate, accumulate. Make more and more. Sell more and more. Everyone buy buy buy. This lead to capitalism creating permissiveness in culture; which leads us in postmodernism.

Because of these two different perspectives, you will see 'modernism' used to refer to both the belief in order, and the reaction against it. 'Postmodernism', whenever it is used, is a reference, sometimes celebration, of the fragmentation of life, of self, of the society we have today.

Whenever someone uses the term 'Postmodernism', they will always then refer to 'Modernism' as the belief in order and reason. They see modernism and postmodernism as a coherent dialect, the first caused the other. These are people who argue that capitalism, not modernism, caused postmodernity. Capitalism is the root of fragmentation.

Those who believe modernism is to blame for postmodernity, do not often use the term 'postmodernism'. For them, modernism turned into postmodernism, there really is no difference between them. Modernism was the fragmentation all along.

[Lingchih]

I think there was once one female of the species that played Dom 3, but she has since disappeared from the boards (I did not stalk her).

[NTJedi]

Maybe she's the Dom_3 female intern KO mentioned from earlier posts.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[AlgaeNymph]

sansanjuan said:
"Bambi whipped my Ulm butt with her GOR Tartarian Monstrum"

That's what they should caption the ad with.

...!

Something just occurred to me, maybe this is an April Fool's prank.

[Endoperez]

Lingchih said:
I think there was once one female of the species that played Dom 3, but she has since disappeared from the boards (I did not stalk her).



There have been several. Saber Cherry was quite active for a long time. She was a math/programming genius, made a graphicless combat simulator for DomII and did various test with it since she could change it to have different mechanics than the base game. She also had lots of strange mod ideas, and in fact she presented an early idea of "eras" way back then. It was more stone/bronze age than the iron age we currently have, but still.

[Sombre]

But it went up yesterday, so if it is it fails at that as well as failing as an advert :]

[vfb]

Maybe it was supposed to say this (artwork inspired by cupido2):

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/vfb_dominions/dom4B.jpg

[llamabeast]

Concerning whether girls play Dom3: My ex-girlfriend got really into Dominions 3, and played a few MP games. She stopped playing when we split up though, I think she associated it too much with me.

[cupido2]

That's exactly what I meant with my post, vfb. That's how the ad should be. When I look at it now, I want my Dominions 4! Give me my Dominions 4! I know you hide it somewhere KO! GIVE IT TO ME NOW! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

[Sombre]

Some people would look at that and think "lucky bogbeast!". I look at it and wonder where she's wearing her poison prot items.

[vfb]

I can feel nothing but sorrow for the bog beast. Look at the plaintive expression with which he gazes upon her! But she is bored, and is not interested in bog beast overtures. She is perhaps changing the channel on the TV with her remote control.


P.S. Sorry cupido2! Your post was what inspired me to add in the Bog Beast. Originally I just changed the number to 4. But it's much better with him in it I think! I've edited in credit for your idea.

[lch]

vfb's ad made me come up with a hilarious Flash mini-game which would tremendously raise the hit counts for Shrapnelgames.

[Juzza]

If that doesn't get people buying dom 3 nothing will!

[cupido2]

No no, vfb, my post wasn't for credits for myself but for acclaim of your artwork! That's exactly how I imagined it. Well done!

[Renojustin]

I'd just like to know what the hell is wrong with her neck... she looks like half of a low-budget Borg or something. Overall totally disappointing and almost laughable in its utter failure in every way. I really hope you didn't pay somebody to do this. Next time, hire someone with more than an Ulmishman's worth of imagination.

[Foodstamp]

vfb said:
Maybe it was supposed to say this (artwork inspired by cupido2):

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/vfb_dominions/dom4B.jpg



LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Tuidjy]

> Concerning whether girls play Dom3: My ex-girlfriend got really into Dominions 3,
> and played a few MP games. She stopped playing when we split up though, I
> think she associated it too much with me

[censored]. I could have written that word for word. Yvelina was active on the
forums, won the first SC arena, placed 2nd in the Battlefield tournament...
Once we broke up, she abandoned Dominions II as well.

[Dedas]

How do you stop playing Dominions? Simple feelings like love and hate can't even touch my addiction with this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[lch]

Tuidjy said:
[censored]. I could have written that word for word.


So it seems that there's an easy way to increase female player quotas around here. Send a hit squad to kill any geek who introduces his girlfriend to the game, thus protecting her from the traumatic experience of post-breakup game rejection.

[lch]

Ergh, now cupido2 changed his avatar image to vfb's ad. Damn, and here I thought I could use his previous avatar image some more for my faux Turing tests. If they were able to find out what it was supposed to display, they passed. Weren't many. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[cupido2]

I drew it myself. It's my first avatar ever and I'm very proud of myself. And it makes me rich, as you used it without my permission. You owe me a lot of money. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

And what the heck is a Turing test? And what's a faux Turing test?

[lch]

Maybe "captcha" was a better word. A test if somebody is human or a robot, depending whether or not he succeeds in correctly identifying the image.

[cupido2]

Ah, I see. So a thinking being actually can recognize what my avatar should be. I'm a gifted painter. I will change my avatar back for you, Ich.

[vfb]

The test to see if somebody is a human or replicant depends on whether their pupils dilate when they see the new Dom4 ad.

[Ylvali]

sansanjuan said:

I think many of you may be missing the fact that the ad is targetting pretty blond women that like to hang out in comfortable clothes and play PBEM strategy games.



I think I fit into this category... I dunno what I think... But what the heck, If this ad brings more women here I´m all for it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Salamander8]

Sombre said:
Some people would look at that and think "lucky bogbeast!". I look at it and wonder where she's wearing her poison prot items.


It's obviously the garter of poison immunity she is wearing! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I admit to liking the ad a lot, but I'm a push-over for this kind of stuff. Gimme my cheesecake! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

[Kamamura]

Ad topic - you don't pronounce it correctly, it's not "Ummh", it's more like "ULM!"

[lch]

Ylvali said:
I think I fit into this category... I dunno what I think...


A candidate for "Miss Bog Beast 2009", perhaps.

[moderation]

The ad is still running. I guess it really wasn't an April Fools joke. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Sensori]

moderation said:
The ad is still running. I guess it really wasn't an April Fools joke. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif



If it said "I want my D4" it would've been an April Fool's joke going with the actual joke, D4: Succubi in Heat. Now it's "just" an ad!

[NTJedi]

I like the DOM_4 April Fools joke... anything which gives more attention to a possible sequel.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[moderation]

Omnirizon said:

moderation said:


Omnirizon said:
another way of looking at it would be along the lines of what edratum suggested. it is pure marketing forced by capitalist endeavor. I don't want to open that can of worms. But while some Pmod critics claim that modernism is more of a 'counterfeit culture' than an actual 'counter culture' (similar to Sombre's position), others claim that fault lies not with modernism or Pmodernism, but with capitalism. Capitalism creates the necessity for the boundlessness reflected in modernism.



Oh by the way, can someone translate this into English? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Just for the sake of exploring postmodernist theory, which I'm somewhat interested in, does Dominions 3 challenge the accepted order / master narrative in any meaningful way however it is advertised? I mean it's a fun indie game, but like you're conquering the world in Dom 3 just like every other 4X. I would love to see fighting for global domination in Dom 3 as cool and subversive, but I can't see how that could be. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



I think I used modernism/postmodernism somewhat confusingly, but that is because I was presenting two different viewpoints in one. I will break it down:

1. modernism is the result of modernity. Modernity is the result of the enlightenment (order and reason, that there is a thing such as reason, everything is knowable, everything is orderable; perfection is both possible and desirable).

1a. modernism is both a reaction against the enlightenment ideals of modernity, but rooted in them. It was a rage against order, but a celebration of individuality, freedom, and mass culture. These things are all the result of "universal man". Modernity, the enlightenment, created "universal man" in opposition to "situated man". Situated man is the non-universal, entrenched in tradition and the past; things the enlightenment believes corrupt true Reason. So modernity creates "universal man", a man of pure reason and universality. But now universal man is above the order that created him, he is universal, he has no reason to be beholden to whatever created him. He reacts against order using its own ideals of universality and freedom. Thus: Modernism.

2. Postmodernism is the result of postmodernity. Postmodernity is the result of modernism. It is the crass, limitless, fragmented, mass culture that modernism created, and that we are all comfortable with today.

2a. Some authors blame 'modernism' for the boundlessness of contemporary culture. They say capitalism worked just fine, it was the raucous modernism activity, the beatniks, the hippies, the radical movements, the permissiveness, that caused modernity to decay into postmodernity. These authors say modernism is dead, and it is time to return to the ordered ideals of the enlightenment. The enlightenment didn't fail, modernism did.

2b. Some authors blame 'capitalism' for the boundlessness of contemporary culture. They say modernism was a solution to mass growth of urban life and culture. But that capitalism, not modernism, created and encouraged the permissiveness and boundlessness of contemporary culture. Capitalism had an unquenchable need to accumulate, accumulate. Make more and more. Sell more and more. Everyone buy buy buy. This lead to capitalism creating permissiveness in culture; which leads us in postmodernism.

Because of these two different perspectives, you will see 'modernism' used to refer to both the belief in order, and the reaction against it. 'Postmodernism', whenever it is used, is a reference, sometimes celebration, of the fragmentation of life, of self, of the society we have today.

Whenever someone uses the term 'Postmodernism', they will always then refer to 'Modernism' as the belief in order and reason. They see modernism and postmodernism as a coherent dialect, the first caused the other. These are people who argue that capitalism, not modernism, caused postmodernity. Capitalism is the root of fragmentation.

Those who believe modernism is to blame for postmodernity, do not often use the term 'postmodernism'. For them, modernism turned into postmodernism, there really is no difference between them. Modernism was the fragmentation all along.



Hmm... it took me a while to read this. I guess I need to read a few more books later instead of playing Dom 3. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I wonder then if it's possible to relate this back to Dominions 3. To me the game seems like one more shiny toy amid all the other shiny toys provided to us by our culture.

[Ninave]

Lingchih said:
I think there was once one female of the species that played Dom 3, but she has since disappeared from the boards (I did not stalk her).



I think there are lots of us (women), it's just that on the boards you don't have to specify and are automaticly taken as male. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[cupido2]

New ad, no bog beast.
vfb, do your job.

[Omnirizon]

moderation said:

Omnirizon said:

moderation said:


Omnirizon said:
another way of looking at it would be along the lines of what edratum suggested. it is pure marketing forced by capitalist endeavor. I don't want to open that can of worms. But while some Pmod critics claim that modernism is more of a 'counterfeit culture' than an actual 'counter culture' (similar to Sombre's position), others claim that fault lies not with modernism or Pmodernism, but with capitalism. Capitalism creates the necessity for the boundlessness reflected in modernism.



Oh by the way, can someone translate this into English? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Just for the sake of exploring postmodernist theory, which I'm somewhat interested in, does Dominions 3 challenge the accepted order / master narrative in any meaningful way however it is advertised? I mean it's a fun indie game, but like you're conquering the world in Dom 3 just like every other 4X. I would love to see fighting for global domination in Dom 3 as cool and subversive, but I can't see how that could be. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



I think I used modernism/postmodernism somewhat confusingly, but that is because I was presenting two different viewpoints in one. I will break it down:

1. modernism is the result of modernity. Modernity is the result of the enlightenment (order and reason, that there is a thing such as reason, everything is knowable, everything is orderable; perfection is both possible and desirable).

1a. modernism is both a reaction against the enlightenment ideals of modernity, but rooted in them. It was a rage against order, but a celebration of individuality, freedom, and mass culture. These things are all the result of "universal man". Modernity, the enlightenment, created "universal man" in opposition to "situated man". Situated man is the non-universal, entrenched in tradition and the past; things the enlightenment believes corrupt true Reason. So modernity creates "universal man", a man of pure reason and universality. But now universal man is above the order that created him, he is universal, he has no reason to be beholden to whatever created him. He reacts against order using its own ideals of universality and freedom. Thus: Modernism.

2. Postmodernism is the result of postmodernity. Postmodernity is the result of modernism. It is the crass, limitless, fragmented, mass culture that modernism created, and that we are all comfortable with today.

2a. Some authors blame 'modernism' for the boundlessness of contemporary culture. They say capitalism worked just fine, it was the raucous modernism activity, the beatniks, the hippies, the radical movements, the permissiveness, that caused modernity to decay into postmodernity. These authors say modernism is dead, and it is time to return to the ordered ideals of the enlightenment. The enlightenment didn't fail, modernism did.

2b. Some authors blame 'capitalism' for the boundlessness of contemporary culture. They say modernism was a solution to mass growth of urban life and culture. But that capitalism, not modernism, created and encouraged the permissiveness and boundlessness of contemporary culture. Capitalism had an unquenchable need to accumulate, accumulate. Make more and more. Sell more and more. Everyone buy buy buy. This lead to capitalism creating permissiveness in culture; which leads us in postmodernism.

Because of these two different perspectives, you will see 'modernism' used to refer to both the belief in order, and the reaction against it. 'Postmodernism', whenever it is used, is a reference, sometimes celebration, of the fragmentation of life, of self, of the society we have today.

Whenever someone uses the term 'Postmodernism', they will always then refer to 'Modernism' as the belief in order and reason. They see modernism and postmodernism as a coherent dialect, the first caused the other. These are people who argue that capitalism, not modernism, caused postmodernity. Capitalism is the root of fragmentation.

Those who believe modernism is to blame for postmodernity, do not often use the term 'postmodernism'. For them, modernism turned into postmodernism, there really is no difference between them. Modernism was the fragmentation all along.



Hmm... it took me a while to read this. I guess I need to read a few more books later instead of playing Dom 3. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I wonder then if it's possible to relate this back to Dominions 3. To me the game seems like one more shiny toy amid all the other shiny toys provided to us by our culture.



I'd suggest "Postmodernism is not what you think", by Charles Lemert. My definition of Pomo is actually very crypto-Marxist, which many Pomo thinkers regard with suspicion. The crypto-Marxist ignores all cultural creativity of race, gender, even age. Everything is reduced to class.

Lemert's title is a play on words getting at the root of postmodernism, that every definition, every abstraction, every truth and reality, is only a gloss. Everything is something other than what you can think about it. So my own definition of Pomo is a gloss of what it really is; it is an abstraction that cannot capture Pomo. By trying to capture it, the definition even becomes the opposite of what Pomo theory is all about. Pomo is something you can't think about. There is no way to grasp reality, it is too fractured. There can never be an overarching grand theory or definition. Everything, every person, every situation, must be engaged on its own terms, and cannot really be related to anything else.

[Foodstamp]

Wow you guys are really deep.

[Omnirizon]

here is a video which is considered a classic in Pomo thinking. the Pruitt-Igoe housing represented modernist ideals of progress and order. This video is showing them from the Pomo perspective, they look so sinister. Cold faceless giants. The way they simplify and standardize people into objects. That housing project eventually turned into a slum, no one wanted to live there. People are not the orderable objects that modernity wants us to be. That's the message of Pomo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t29fgA5M7VA

I should specifically add that the destruction of Pruitt Igoe was so symbolic for Pomo because it was the destruction of the modern idea that through progress and order we can _design_ away poverty and other ills of society. The best designers, architects, and planners all came together to build that housing project to solve problems of poverty, yet all it did was worsen it. It got so bad the projects had to be destroyed.

[Saulot]

Ninave said:
I think there are lots of us (women), it's just that on the boards you don't have to specify and are automaticly taken as male. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Lots?

I would say 40-60% would qualify as lots.

I'd say what we have here is around 5%, and I wouldn't call that lots. You don't really see the big numbers outside of social games / MMO's.

[Kristoffer O]

cupido2 said:
New ad, no bog beast.
vfb, do your job.



Ehm. I'm starting to wonder a bit myself. I prefer the bog beast. It makes me laugh. The other ads make me a bit, ehh..., ööh..., vad nu då?

[vfb]

Well, I tried, but it looks like a green elephant. Probably because it *is* a green elephant. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I think I'm gonna need some help from the community on this one.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/vfb_dominions/bb3.jpg

[lch]

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/595092-IWantMyBogBeast.jpg

[sector24]

Secret: Strong enough for a man, but made for a WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!?!

[vfb]

lch said:
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/595092-IWantMyBogBeast.jpg



Great, that's more like it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Kristoffer O]

Nice!

/threads/images/Graemlins/Grenade.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/PointRight.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Woman3.gif

The grenade looks almost as a bog beast http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[cupido2]

Hahaha, the elephant and the grenade, great. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif But Ich did it! Cool. Why don't you use these ads?? Who is in charge of those ads?

[llamabeast]

It'll be Shrapnel, not Kristoffer and Johan, who're in charge of the advertising.

[Kristoffer O]

Corect. I was as surprised as you, and thought that it had to do with the Dom4 aprils fool. When there was a new ad I was even more surprised http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Endoperez]

It has certainly worked to grab the attention of this forum, so it works. I'm tempted to put one of the bogbeast versions into my sig in other forums, and have it link into this thread.

[lch]

Readers of the Shrapnel Blog (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/blog/) will have noticed, besides the hilarious on-spot Polka video, the new Dominions 3 peel ad portraying the latest of these hot females that Dom3 is famous for and which we all have grown to known and to love. I felt that the current marketing campaign still lacked a little something, and thus I present my contribution to this exciting new campaign here:

http://i25.tinypic.com/2gt6q36.jpg

I like big butts and I can not lie
You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung...

*tinkers off to find hot male underwear models for the next ad*

[vfb]

Sorry lch, I'm one step ahead of you:

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/vfb_dominions/ron.jpg (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Number=595371&bodyprev=#Post595371)

[lch]

If that's not a compelling ad, then I don't know what is! The Bog beast seems a little perplexed, though.

[WraithLord]

I must say I quite dislike the new ads. I don't mind such advertisement in general, but I fail to see how it can appeal to the potential crowd of dom-III players.

When I first heard about the new ads campaign I was thinking some epic battle scenery, some touches of mythology or something alike.

Say, had I encountered such an ad. while browsing I would most definitely have ignored it.

[Kristoffer O]

lch said:
Readers of the Shrapnel Blog (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/blog/) will have noticed, besides the hilarious on-spot Polka video, the new Dominions 3 peel ad portraying the latest of these hot females that Dom3 is famous for and which we all have grown to known and to love. I felt that the current marketing campaign still lacked a little something, and thus I present my contribution to this exciting new campaign here:

http://i25.tinypic.com/2gt6q36.jpg

I like big butts and I can not lie
You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung...

*tinkers off to find hot male underwear models for the next ad*



But there is no bogbeast ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[kasnavada]

That's because the bogbeast from Ich's ads tried to go in it, but got lost and found the guy in vfb's ad http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif that's the reason he looks perplexed !

[Sombre]

Endoperez said:
It has certainly worked to grab the attention of this forum, so it works.



We already own the game, so we're hardly the target audience. In fact we're the polar opposite.

[cupido2]

Kristoffer O said:

lch said:
Readers of the Shrapnel Blog (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/blog/) will have noticed, besides the hilarious on-spot Polka video, the new Dominions 3 peel ad portraying the latest of these hot females that Dom3 is famous for and which we all have grown to known and to love. I felt that the current marketing campaign still lacked a little something, and thus I present my contribution to this exciting new campaign here:

http://i25.tinypic.com/2gt6q36.jpg

I like big butts and I can not lie
You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung...

*tinkers off to find hot male underwear models for the next ad*



But there is no bogbeast ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



What the heck is that thing on the picture? The horrors of the syphilis? Or something you made out of clay in the kindergarten? A mutated peanut? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Kristoffer O]

It's Venus from Willendorf of course.

Oldest porn in the world. 10.000 years or something.

You might recognize her shape in the Great Mother pretender.

[lch]

Make that about 25.000 to 30.000 years old. She's a foxy hot mama, probably a fertility idol.

http://aeiou.iicm.tugraz.at/aeiou.encyclop.data.image.v/v136200a.jpg

Kristoffer O said:
But there is no bogbeast ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


Hmm. Either she ate it or she sat down on it and crushed it with her shapely, child-bearing buttocks. Or she's just not Bog Beast's type. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Kristoffer O]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[cupido2]

Ah, of course, the Venus of Willendorf (I said something Ich made out of clay in the kindergarten. 25000 year ago if he remembers correctly).

Well, it looks like she soon will give birth to the first bog beast in history. Wonder who the father could be. Perhaps vfb's green elephant?

[vfb]

I thought lch's ad looks kind of more like Venus of Willendorf challah bread though. Can you get that at the local bakery? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

We already own the game, so we're hardly the target audience. In fact we're the polar opposite.



I think these sexy ads might make me buy another copy.

[lch]

The next printing run probably has a calendar and a few posters of these beauties inside. That's what you're hoping for? And the Dominions 4 demo will be Playboy magazine insert.

[Salamander8]

Works for me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[vfb]

Saving this for when it gets swapped out by a new one ...

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/vfb_dominions/army-1.jpg

Can anyone identify the fonts used in the original ads, and know if/where they are available for download?

[Renojustin]

The bog beast in vfb's signature looks devastated that his mate is cheating on him with Ron Jeremy.

[lch]

vfb said:
Can anyone identify the fonts used in the original ads, and know if/where they are available for download?


I used the fabulous Identifont site on the ATF font and here are the results that it came up with (left column):
Identifont results for ATF ad (http://www.identifont.com/list?1+id+0+LM+16+3Z7+16+MR+16+MV+16+MX+16+64M+16+ QC+16+3ZI+16+3ZH+16+27Q+16+9S+15+V+15+1W0+15+290+1 5+6WJ+15+61T+15+MY+15+QV+15+5Y6+14+47K+14+485+14+4 84+14+3VN+14+8M0+14+6QN+14+6B3+14+3OK+14+EF3+14+EF 6+14+61U+14)

P.S.: Compacta Bold looks pretty much like it.

[vfb]

Cool! I did not know about the fabulous Identifont. Yet another bookmark for me, thanks lch.

[ghostwes]

Anyone studying postmodernist stuff really needs to study the Sokal Affair, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

[moderation]

Omnirizon said:
here is a video which is considered a classic in Pomo thinking. the Pruitt-Igoe housing represented modernist ideals of progress and order. This video is showing them from the Pomo perspective, they look so sinister. Cold faceless giants. The way they simplify and standardize people into objects. That housing project eventually turned into a slum, no one wanted to live there. People are not the orderable objects that modernity wants us to be. That's the message of Pomo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t29fgA5M7VA

I should specifically add that the destruction of Pruitt Igoe was so symbolic for Pomo because it was the destruction of the modern idea that through progress and order we can _design_ away poverty and other ills of society. The best designers, architects, and planners all came together to build that housing project to solve problems of poverty, yet all it did was worsen it. It got so bad the projects had to be destroyed.



Hey I really liked the Pruitt Igoe example. I saw Koyaanisqatsi and the other movies in the trilogy a while ago, but I don't think I read them explicitly in terms of modernism vs postmodernism.

By the way, I just ran across this science fiction story by Cory Doctorow that has themes of postmodernism vs modernism in it. The Carousel of Progress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carousel_of_Progress) provides an interesting (and hokey) contrast of a positive representation of modernism and futurism. Anyway it's a rather fun and thought provoking story. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

http://craphound.com/?p=1823
http://craphound.com/index.php?cat=6&paged=6

[Wokeye]

LOL I saw another ad today. Either that's a bloke with really nice legs, or those hot-chicks-who-like-fantasy-TBS-strategy-games are breeding! YAY!1!1

[sector24]

I don't want to know where the bog beast is in the new ad.

[Amhazair]

Perhaps I wouldn't mind being where you don't want to know where he is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Slobby]

The new ad scares me! The lady looks like she's gonna take dom3 away from me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Wokeye]

Indeed, she does look to take her need for Dominions 3 very seriously.

[Endoperez]

Slobby said:
The new ad scares me! The lady looks like she's gonna take dom3 away from me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



The one with only legs showing, or the one with black-haired, green-garbed woman? Or is there a third new one?

[Amhazair]

Well, if you have to ask...

Apparently you have nerves of steel. The green-garbed woman doesn't scare you at all? Not even a little bit?
I felt like crying myself, actually.

[Endoperez]

Amhazair said:
Apparently you have nerves of steel. The green-garbed woman doesn't scare you at all? Not even a little bit?
I felt like crying myself, actually.



Why should she?

I mainly looked at the contrast between the green dress and the red background, and how the red lips, black hair and the black shading in the right side of the image affect it. The dress seems less pronounced than the background, and the corner pointing to the text is really good.

[moderation]

http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Banners_2004/YIWantMyD3_1.jpg

Very funny guys. Now what you need to do is put the man and the woman together in the same picture. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

See http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Banners_2004/YIWantMyD3_1.jpg for the original link.

[Herode]

And the bog beast http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

BTW, having "Postmodernism" as title for these posts is surprisingly relevant http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[moderation]

It is? Well I am glad if postmodernism is relevant, but confused as to how relate postmodernism to a man, a woman and a bog beast.

Maybe we should wait nine months before adding the bog beast to the pictures. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Wokeye]

LOL I was happier with the hot, wanting ladies. See where complaining gets you?? Now they are either blokes or have nasty pointy weapons! And still no bog beast in sight!

[Renojustin]

Oh, for the love of Yoth'Shothogg! Just because much of Dom3's playerbase might find it more difficult than most to score hot 'tang, doesn't mean they swing that way.

[moderation]

What is the deal with all the bog beast jokes anyway?

[Sombre]

I have no idea. I'm sick of them to be honest.

Bog beasts should be taken seriously.

[lch]

Herode said:
BTW, having "Postmodernism" as title for these posts is surprisingly relevant http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif


I skipped all the posts that contained too many difficult words. Is it okay when I just assume that it's like this?

http://www.experimentaljetset.nl/archive/images/Modernism.gif

[Saulot]

What a strange looking bus stop.

[moderation]

Hmm, it looks more like a dorm room than a bus stop to me. What is the photo really about?

What does death metal have to do with modernism though? This thread is getting curiouser and curiouser. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif